Massachusetts Breaks Silence About Justina Pelletier, Drops Gag Order Against Father

By: Kristin Tate
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BenSwann.com has been closely following the story of 15-year-old Justina Pelletier, who has been in the custody of Boston Children’s Hospital for over one year against her parents’ will. Earlier today, the Massachusetts Department of Children & Families (DCF) broke its silence on what is now a highly-publicized case.


Earlier this week, a Suffolk County judge ruled  that Justina be moved out of a medical facility and put into a foster home.

Justina’s parents, Lou and Linda, have been fighting to get their daughter back home ever since the hospital initially took custody of her last February. Years ago doctors diagnosed Justina with mitochondrial disease, which causes loss of muscle control. Despite this diagnosis, Justina was able to live a happy and relatively normal life with her family in Connecticut.

During a visit to Boston Children’s Hospital during February 2013, doctors claimed that the teen has somatoform disorder, not mitochondrial disease. Somatoform disorder is a mental disorder — not a physical one, like mitochondrial disease.

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The hospital ordered that Justina be taken off all of her mitochondrial and pain medication. Lou and Linda did not think this was the best plan of action and wanted to bring their daughter home. Officials would not allow that. The parents were subsequently escorted out of the hospital by security personnel. Only four days later, they found out they had lost custody of their daughter due to “both parents’ resistance towards recommended treatment plans” and “overmedicalizing” the girl. They remain heartbroken and furious.

Lou and Linda were both incredibly emotional following the hearing this week.

Today the state spoke out on Justina’s situation. Massachusetts DCF spokesman, Alec Loftus said, “Our primary goal has always been the health and well-being of Justina. We want the parents to be able to work with the providers and courts to ultimately move Justina back to her home state of Connecticut. That is the objective, and is consistent with our previous efforts to find an appropriate placement near her home. A medical team has been identified at Tufts, the family’s provider of choice, with the clinical expertise to care for Justina.”

While this sounds like positive news for Lou and Linda, the parents are not very hopeful.

Lou told The Blaze, “They have thrown more carrots out there over the last 13 months, dangling, teasing us, and that’s the cruelest thing you can do.” He claimed the state has made several broken promises regarding the Justina’s custody in the past. “Actions speak louder than words,” he said.

On the bright side, however, there will no longer be a March 24 hearing to determine whether or not Lou violated the judge’s gag order when he spoke out to the media earlier this month. The motion to hold him in contempt of court was dropped.

The next court hearing, when Justina’s custody status will be further discussed, is set for March 17.

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  • Arianell Underwood

    Press Release:

    Boston, MA – 2/28/14 –
    The Pelletiers’ regularly scheduled visitation with Justina was denied today by the Department of Children and Families (DCF).

    DCF informed the Pelletiers that contact with their daughter had been cut off because members of the press had independently appeared at the visitation site. Neither the Pelletiers, nor the Free Justina coalition invited the media, yet the Pelletiers were prevented from seeing their daughter.

    In the past, parental visits to Justina are heavily supervised, with several DCF officials and state troopers present.

    In response, family spokespersons from the Free Justina coalition have announced a press conference at DCF offices where the family was supposed to have met with Justina.

    The press conference will be held at 30 Dimock Street Roxbury, MA at 4:00pm today.

    -Reverand Patrick Mahoney

    • Tom223

      Another great argument for limited government. The lie is that some government employee at the DCF is going to care more for this child than her parents – rarely the case.

  • Axlaiden

    Thank you Kristin and Benn for making this story come to light. If I need special medical treatment for my child beyond cold or flu, I’ll take my child to Canada. I won’t risk it here.

    • jholderbaum

      They’re doing it in Canada too.

  • SickOfTheStupid

    When all our children belong to the state and parental rights can be revoked on a whim we have become livestock, not a free society.

    • Rich Pea

      old news….they’ve been taking children away for a long time. Parents who are trying to heal their children (sick because of the poisons in our air, food, water, material possessions and vaccines) by using alternative medicines are having those children taken by CPS. All because they don’t want their kids to go through chemo or other medical treatments done by hospitals that are worse for the kids than the actual disease.

      • Tom223

        This is what happens when the government is allowed to create a monopoly as they did with the AMA.

    • stupidamerkin

      ABSOLUTELY! and none are more enslaved then those who think they are free.

    • tsacian

      A diagnosis by a team of medical experts is not a whim. Parental rights can be revoked if the parent is putting the child in danger. This includes over-medicating, and refusing treatment for the standing diagnosis of the child.

      • SickOfTheStupid

        medical experts? there is no such thing , if they where experts malpractice would not be has common as pigeons in a city.

      • jholderbaum

        Parents rights can be revoked unreasonably as well.

  • Sabrina

    Sue them all for millions and millions…. No one can dictate what parents want for their child. This is criminal behavior by the hospital!!! The poor parents!!!! Sue sue sue!!!!!!!!!!!

    • stupidamerkin

      WAKE UP! The state owns your children which are a part of your contract with the state called a marriage license, birth certificate and SS number. They own you until you disconnect yourself and those you love from this criminal matrix called the justus system, through paper tripping. It can be done, but the only real guarantee we have today is the word of our Lord and the 2nd amendment.

      • Tom223

        Only if we as a people allow it. Unfortunately “we” has a great number of natural born slaves in it’s number. Freedom is not free it must be fought for every day.

    • Jjamerb

      And millions an millions more!! Sue their asses to oblivion that way the moron responsible for this will have to pay the piper!!

  • denise0513

    Massachusetts DCF and Children’s Hospital are guilty of child abuse, child endangerment and neglect! They are neglecting Justina’s health and therefore endangering her. Maybe the parents should consider seeking charges against the state of Mass and DCF.

    • rivahmitch

      How about kidnapping? Send them all to jail.

    • Jake77

      The charges need to include the Psychiatrists at Boston Childrens Hospital who are behind this action.

      • denise0513

        I agree Jake77! they are the ones that had me investigated for sexual abuse of my then 5 year old after THEY put him in a room with a 17 year old that had been sexually abused. I hate them!

  • Sabrina

    Lesson learned parents….. Don’t take your kids to Boston…. Take them out of the country !

  • jeffhill2012

    I sure would like to know the truth in all this. More details, at least. Why the first diagnosis, and why the sudden 2nd diagnosis? And why were the parents suddenly shut out?

    • Tom223

      The data is in the first article posted on this story. The child got sick while away from her home state and the parents, being good parents, took her to the hospital, not knowing the actual peril, at the hands of psychiatry, they were putting their daughter in.

    • tsacian

      Do we have any reason to believe the 2nd diagnosis is incorrect? Not at all. It’s not like the first doctor is refuting the misdiagnosis claim.

      Would parents dislike hearing that their daughter has a mental disorder instead of a disease? Most likely.

      They were shut out because they refused to stop giving her medication that could harm her, and refusing to treat her mental disorder. The parents did not ask for a 2nd opinion, and then actually Refused to get one. This is a parenting issue, not news.

  • Layla Godey

    “Our primary goal has always been the health and well-being of Justina. We want the parents to be able to work with the providers and courts to ultimately move Justina back to her home state of Connecticut. That is the objective, and is consistent with our previous efforts to find an appropriate placement near her home. A medical team has been identified at Tufts, the family’s provider of choice, with the clinical expertise to care for Justina.”—If their primary goal was her health and well-being, and they are going to place her under the care of Tufts, why did they take custody of her in the first place? She was already under the care of a doctor from Tufts when BCH and DCF took her from the custody of her parents. They took her to place her back where she originally was???

    • Tom223

      They want to place her back at Tufts but with foster parents.

      • Layla Godey

        But why foster parents? What is the difference between treatment at Tufts with foster parents and treatment at Tufts with her own parents? …except maybe to legally cover BCH and DCF’s bu++ for having removed her in the first place.

        • Tom223

          If the judge enforces the foster parent rout he can continue the illusion that he and the DCF are acting in the “best interest of the child”. Clearly it doesn’t make any sense what ever. As long as the parents are following the medical advice of their Tuft’s doctor, which they were, there is no issue. There never was an issue. That is the point. This whole action is a great illustration of how the truly insane in this case are the psychiatrists, and the hospital and government who are attempting to enforce this oppressive diagnosis and taking of the child from her parents.

          • rshawk

            To release Justina to her parents care would be admitting the obvious, that BCH overstepped and DCF backed them. The foster home discharge plan is still more of the same, keeping DCF in control.

        • Tom223

          The difference is that putting her in foster care makes it so the state does not have to admit mistake. And also, in foster care the child can be forced to take psychotropic (mind altering) drugs which undoubtedly has been the case ever since the Boston Children’s Hospital took her from her parents. So instead of receiving the mitochondrial treatment she needs she has been given a chemical mental straight jacket instead.

          • Jake77

            Put the girl on psych drugs and either the hospital or doctor puts some extra cash in their pockets.

  • RobertMahoney

    For one year she has had no school, clergy visits or holiday celebrations of her faith. If that was done to an inmate, the ACLU would be all over it.

    If this does not qualify as child abuse then I don’t know what does.

    • Tom223

      This is criminal child abuse perpetrated by the psychiatrists at Bost. Childrens Hospital.

      • LoneWiseMan

        You and “Jake77″ sound insane by the way.

        Are you both going to sit there and tell me that there’s no such thing as psychological disorders?

    • Shin Chan

      Stop pointing out the irony, before the CPS starts to abuse you too.

    • Jake77

      The true evil perpetrators here are the psychiatrists.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Maybe she didn’t want it? Who cares, it’s her decision, not yours or her parents. They can’t force clergy visits if the person doesn’t want them.

  • Katherine Pietsch McElhinny

    I have 2 children with mitochondrial disease, an actual metabolic defect that affects the energy producing “factories” in the cells, causing fatigue, weakness, organ stress, organ failure and often an early death. Diagnosed through muscle biopsies. The suggested supplements are about the only treatment that helps. It’s too bad the “experts” at Boston Hospital don’t understand mitochondrial disorders like they should. Google umdf.org the United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation, and spend an hour boning up, you child stealing asshats.

    • Jake77

      Keep in mind that Psychiatry is not a science and usually Psychiatrists are med students who graduated at the bottom of their class.

      • LoneWiseMan

        Sure? But that doesn’t mean BCH’s analysis of the situation isn’t correct.

        If the parents weren’t borderline crazy, they would’ve been thrilled at the idea that their child DIDN’T in fact have MD, but instead, they went insane-mode and decided to ignore an entire hospital and keep medicating the kid, not even opting for a third opinion.

        • Jake77

          Under BCH’s care the girl has had a dramatic deterioration of physical condition. That is not argued by any party in this situation. You are defending the harming of this girl.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Hearsay.

            Do you know what that term means?

          • tsacian

            No one except for the parents are refuting the 2nd diagnosis. But no, lets just continue ignoring medical experts and listening to 2 parents that didn’t even want another opinion. Its not like she was at the hospital because she was doing great.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Her original doctor never even performed the muscle biopsy to see if the girl has MD. Did that fact slip your mind?

      Your children may have it and had it properly confirmed. This child wasn’t.

  • Pat CH

    I would like to know how pervasive Justina’s medical testing, surgeries, and procedures were prior to the DCF taking custody. Also, it appears the doctors were confused and were all working independently. Was this due to “Doctor Shopping” or “Second Opinions”…

    I suspect Justina’s medical testing and records are voluminous and started at a very early age based on published information. The mother is being accused of medical child abuse. (AKA Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy) I would like to know if this diagnosis of MSBP was determined by a Forensic Psychologist/ Psychiatrist or the DCF. Medical Child Abuse by a person diagnosed with MSBP is a FELONY is all 50 States.

    I feel the problem with understanding this case is believing MSBP is a real condition. Why would a caregiver or parent of a child intentionally abuse her? It seems inconceivable.

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/295258-overview

    • Tom223

      If the mother is wrong than it would stand to reason that Tufts was wrong too. The real question is whether or not the psychs at Boston Children’s Hospital did a muscle biopsy or any other test to prove that, as they claim, the child did not have mitochondrial disease.

      • Pat CH

        Tom,
        I agree, but it appears that Tuft’s and Children’s were not sharing information. If this is true, it would create the need for more testing and subjective/objective diagnoses. In either case, this took nine months? Sounds like an issue. Justina is the victim. I pray she is going to be OK. The court ordered separation would be indicative of a diagnosis of the mother with MSBP. Separation and eventual reunification is the only known treatment.

        • Tom223

          There is no evidence of MSBP. There is every indication that the parents were following the diagnosis and treatment they received from Tuft’s. There is also no indication that the child was suffering adverse effect from the Tuft’s directed treatment. There is indication that the BCH diagnosis and treatment has put the child into a wheelchair. It is easy to go on a “witch” hunt against the parent but no actual evidence for this has been presented. It is easy for psychiatrists to make claims as their data is not empirical. It is not a science.

          • LoneWiseMan

            What are you talking about?

            The mother “collapsed” in the hospital.

            That fits almost perfectly with:
            http://www.medicinenet.com/munchausen_syndrome_by_proxy/article.htm#munchausen_syndrome_by_proxy_facts

          • Kristian Ralle
          • LoneWiseMan

            What? All of my posts on here on BenSwann.com.

            Unless you’re braindead, simply clicking my name can “reveal” that. In fact, if you click “Ben Swann Truth In Media” near the top of the comments, I’m one of the top commenters.

            Do you want a cookie or something?

          • Kristian Ralle

            Drinking my smoothie, so cookies are not required.

            Wow, such awesomeness, such style Top commenter means shit, I’m a top commenter on VG.no but that doesn’t mean I’m right about anything.

            There are just people agreeing with me, same for you.

            So you can keep your cookie for your shill friends, bet you can hear them typing away, just a few feet away from you.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I didn’t say I was the best commenter, just pointing out the fact that I post a lot here isn’t a secret like you tried to “prove” by googling my name and posting the results.

          • Pat CH

            Tom,
            Do you have access to the child’s medical records? Were they published? How do you know there is not evidence of MSBP? Are you a Forensic Psychiatrist? Have you reviewed the medical records? Have you tested her mother? I am confused as to why you can say “There is no evidence of MSBP” Can you tell me the source you are using to establish this fact or assumption? Thanks

          • Tom223

            There has been no evidence presented to the public. You have engaged extrapolation, this as an assumption based on the actions of the court.
            Furthermore, you are attempting to have me prove a negative. I say the burden of proof is on you. Where is your evidence that she has MSBP, other than conjecture. Your attempt to defame this mother is unfounded and probably libelous.

          • Pat CH

            No need to be hostile. I am an expert in this field and never engage in extrapolation. I based my comments on the facts the public was presented. No, I am not attempting you to prove a negative. I want you to prove what you stated….”There is not evidence of MSBP”….you said this above. What is your source? You are not a lawyer or the last sentence would have not been added. If I am “attempting to defame the mother”…what about the DCF, Children’s Hospital? Are they liable too? (Hint-Hospitals can’t be sued, and State agencies are exempt from tortious claims over $250)

          • Tom223

            Clearly MSBP can a horrific condition for the victims of it. I find it far fetched that the mother is “mentally ill” and the daughter is “mentally ill” and the BCH doctors have it right. If they have it right and their treatment of the girl were right she would be better and not worse. If the child’s condition was a result of MSBP one could argue that 9 months of separation should have improved the girl’s condition which it hasn’t, she is worse. This last datum would point to something other than MSBP. Maybe the girl has neither MD or Somatoform Disorder. Maybe someone needs to find out what will actually make the girl healthy. Based on the 9 month separation MSBP is not likely the problem. unless there is some data I’m missing. Maybe there is a new condition that no one ever thought of before. Maybe the girl suffers from MSBPP where she is being the proxy for her mother who can no longer be around to try and do her in – all subconsciously of course. This sort of thing is traumatic enough for a parent without being pilloried by the government, media and public. Finally, how many cases have there been where the person with MSBP is removed from the environment of the victim and the victim continues to get worse, like this girl has, for nearly a year?

          • jholderbaum

            Anyone can be sued, even mandated reporters, especially when there is fraud and racketeering going on.

      • LoneWiseMan

        I’d love to know that too. It’s not in any of the articles Tate posted, but that doesn’t mean much, lol.

    • LoneWiseMan

      “I feel the problem with understanding this case is believing MSBP is a
      real condition. Why would a caregiver or parent of a child
      intentionally abuse her? It seems inconceivable.”

      Because they’re not stable and/or insane?

      Read your link:
      *A mother who is extremely attentive and always in the hospital

      *Unexplainable, persistent, or recurrent illnesses

      *Discrepancies among the history, clinical findings, and child’s general health

      *A working diagnosis of a rare disorder

      *Symptoms and signs that occur only in the mother’s presence

      • Pat CH

        LoneWiseMan
        My comment was for the public, not for me. I believe the public has a problem understanding MSBP is a real condition as it is rare and not a typical disorder. I know MSBP it is real, I witnessed it in real life. I do agree with your comment “Because they’re not stable and/or insane? They are Both. Research indicates there is no cure for MSBP, however, the victim can have a fairly normal life if separated from their perpetrators for a year or more.

        • Jake77

          So the mother is insane and the daughter is insane and we are all better off now that the child has been taken from her and the child is now in a wheelchair. Removing the mother from the environment of the child did not bring about an improvement in the child after 9 months of “expert” medical care from BCH. The child is worse. Are we now to believe that an unknown nurse or doctor at BCH has MSBP and that is why the child has worsened.
          The bottom line is the answer to the question, “Is the child better off now that she’s been in the custody of BCH or is she worse off?” or “Was the child doing better in the custody of her parents than she is doing now with BCH?” Maybe MSBP is contagious and everyone around this child has it. I am not saying that MSBP does not occur but the worsening condition of the child would indicate that the problem is elsewhere.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Ah, gotcha.

          Thank goodness someone else here has a working brain.

          Far too many people here are assuming the parents are innocent just because they hate everything to do with the government.

  • Tom223

    This is a good illustration of what happens when government legitimizes the non-scientific practice of psychiatry. The psychiatric industry claims that what they do is “medical” and yet there is no medical (biological) test for any of the myriad “mental disorders” they claim to exist. Nor is there a test for the supposed “chemical balance” they claim is the probable cause for mental “disorders”. They prescribe the same mind altering dugs for a vast array of claimed ailments and yet from Psychiatrist to Psychiatrist there I no such thing as a consistent diagnosis nor is there a standard regimen of mind altering drugs. They are the true criminals behind this story. They are masquerading as Doctors giving “medical” treatment when nothing could be further from the truth.

    • LoneWiseMan

      The field of Psychiatry is awash with bullshit (not completely though), yes, but I’m not sure how this applies.

      They were advocating taking her OFF of medication that she didn’t need.

      • Tom223

        They said she is not really sick – didn’t “really” have mitochondrial disease – didn’t need medicine for that condition. She just has a “mental” disorder that makes her act like she is sick – in the estimation of the psychs she is just pretending to be sick and this is her true disorder – a mental disorder. They are criminals. Her physical condition has deteriorated since they started treating her. They are wrong.

        • LoneWiseMan

          A simple biopsy will prove whether or not she has MD.

          Are you telling my that you know they performed this and were found wrong?

          • Tom223

            I have yet to see any indication that the girl was tested for MD at Boston Children’s Hospital. The only thing presented on this was that BCH claimed the girl was not sick with MD but rather had a mental disorder – psychosomatic illness. The parents didn’t agree so “naturally” the hospital took the child from them. According to the “profession” of psychiatry it is a mental disorder if one disagrees with a psychiatric diagnosis. So either you agree with the psychs or you are according to them, insane.

          • LoneWiseMan

            It’s not that the parents just “didn’t agree.” The concern was the medication that was being given to the girl and the parents weren’t even willing to listen that it could be a psychological issue.

            I think the field is psychiatry (all social “sciences” to be honest) is filled with idiots, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t psychological issues in the world. I’m not even sure the *first* doctor that said she didn’t have MD was a psychiatrist in the first place. Where did you read this information? It’s not like they’re wanting to give her Xanax or something.

          • Tom223

            The decision regarding MD was between the parents and the regular treating physician. The myth perpetrated here is that there is such thing as psychiatric treatment.
            By their own admission, psychiatry cannot cure ANYTHING. They do not know the cause of anything, they have no medical test for anything they claim as a mental disorder. Clearly there are insane people in the world. Unfortunately Psychiatry is not a science and has no valid claim on the area of mental treatment. From their beginning their only solution is to reduce the ability of the patient to function. They have used ice picks to physically scramble their brains, Electro shock to cause brain damage from both electricity and the subsequent seizure which causes brain hemorrhages and brain damage, and now in the modern age they have achieved the ultimate in debilitating any individual they deem insane. They have a complete buffet of mind addling drugs with which to destroy an individual’s ability to function. I have seen this first hand when trying to educate individuals who can not make to a class room because they are having convulsions and can’t get out of bed because of the drugs being forced into them.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Omg, can you stay on point without going on a rant every post about psychiatrists?

            The original diagnosis from their first doctor wasn’t confirmed with a muscle biopsy like it should have been.

          • Tom223

            My concern is with the girl and her well being. She is in worse shape now physically than before the doctors at BCH started their treatment of her. That is all the evidence needed. Before she could walk and in a few short months she is now wheelchair bound. Those are facts that no one has disputed. So the only valid question is was she better off before her visit to BCH or after. I find it difficult to imagine a valid argument that would support the actions of BCH as measured against the well being of the girl.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Hearsay.

            You don’t *know* her condition before/after.

          • jholderbaum

            Yes, we do.

          • LoneWiseMan

            At the time of that post I didn’t know.

            Now I know she was barely able to eat, walk, and talk before going to BCH.

            So much for the “simple flu” nonsense story.

          • Terrormaster

            While others are giving a knee-jerk reaction, I think I’m picking up what you’re laying down sir. The mental disorder they diagnosed her with sounds like an extreme version of hypocondria (sp). So if it IS correct then she only THINKS she was sick. And the evidence Jake and others point out – that she has deteriorated and is now wheelchair bound COULD (and only playing devil’s advocate here since NONE of us have all the facts) be because due to the mental disorder she THINKS she’s worse off. The brain has some powerful mojo and if its telling your body it’s sick even when it’s not your body will indeed respond like it’s sick.

            I would have taken the second opinion even if I thought the first doc’s diagnosis was right. At least it would have gotten then out the door and back to CT. Even with all the tests they do, docs aren’t right 100% of the time even if it looks like their treatment is working. It’s called “practice” for a reason.

          • MarkusMMJ

            Even if it her deteriorated state is completely due to her thoughts and not a physical condition wouldn’t she be better off “thinking” she had MD and being treated for MD if it meant she could walk and skate? Is she better off in a wheel chair just so the “doctors” can be right about her diagnosis?
            Isn’t it entirely possible that her condition has nothing to do with either MD or Somatoform? With the limited data the public receives anything is possible. But still, the bottom line is how is the child doing now versus before BCH got their hands on her. If she does have Somatoform disorder she is not better off being treated by them as there is no cure for it. The only thing they can do is debilitate her to the point that she does not manifest the symptoms. They cannot cure any single mental disorder.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Yep.

            Well hopefully during this year or whatever she’s been at BCH, they’ve performed a muscle biopsy to confirm their diagnosis.

            If they don’t do that, and they end up being wrong, they’re in for a hurting in court.

  • Vapemans

    Sounds like some Hospital Execs, and State Legislators, need a lesson on the HAND THAT FEEDs……

    Lets see, I bet if one were to look,there are at least a dozen reasons to LEGALLY RELIEVE THEM of THEIR Parenting Duties……

    • LoneWiseMan

      Gosh, I wonder if those same reasons were used against the girl’s parents, hence why she was removed from their custody!

      Logic. It’s so weird sometimes.

      • Shin Chan

        Hmm…yeah… I think the point was that the law is idiotic and unjustifiable–any little thing which would have been perfectly normal decades ago can be called “child abuse” and used to justify CPS kidnapping–not that every parent is a child abuser.

        • Tom223

          If the psychiatrists are allowed to use the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual to proclaim a person has a mental disorder they have the power to proclaim every person on the planet as insane. Even disagreeing with a psych diagnosis is considered a mental disorder. If legitimized anyone’s rights can be taken away simply by making a claim they are insane. It doesn’t take much for these creeps to make an unsubstantiated statement that takes away the rights of parents and children.

        • LoneWiseMan

          You said it’s unjustifiable, I say that in this case it might be, but I don’t know.

          Which one of us is using objective wisdom?

          Is it okay if I beat my children mercilessly? Should they be removed from my care?

          Oh, and there’s also more than physical abuse. Mentally destroying your child can be even worse.

          • Jake77

            No one has advocated what you are asking about.

          • Kristian Ralle

            Objective wisdom, goes straight out of the window when shills type on a keyboard.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “Gee I bet if I call him a shill, his points are invalid!!!”

            lol

          • Shin Chan

            Well I didn’t say myself that it was unjustifiable, I was just pointing out Vapeman’s original point, which if I understand him correctly, you misunderstood. Perhaps he’ll clarify but it seems to me he was simply saying that the law is absurdly over protective and biased against parents to assume everyone is guilty until proven innocent, and if you fall into the wrong people’s crosshairs, you have no chance to win. I’m inclined to agree that this is currently the case.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Well, it’s definitely not in the parents favor early on, that I will agree with.

            However, that’s because we as a society don’t like and won’t stand by watching kids or the disabled being abused in any fashion. We want immediate action, hence my reasonable question about beating my children. Everyone agrees, but just won’t say it.

      • Shin Chan

        You seem to believe (arrogantly) that you are the only one here who puts effort towards thinking independently, and that everyone here is too fast to make judgments, makes certain assumptions, and so on. I understand and can agree that this is sometimes a problem, however you need to check your own assumption that you are the “lone” thinker here, and the only one who values truth and rationality above all else.

        • LoneWiseMan

          I don’t think that. I know that only the minority of people will actually use critical thinking to come to rational conclusions.

          Tate is posting sensational, biased nonsense, and almost every single one of you is gobbling it up like CNN, ABC, NBC, and Fox fans.

          • Shin Chan

            It’s a problem sometimes in libertarian news outlets, I admit. But I don’t think your method of handling it is effective.

          • LoneWiseMan

            You might be right, but logic doesn’t work on everyone. Some people are simply too stupid to understand, but it’s better to be a voice than to stay quiet and let the dumb masses sway the few people reading that might be on the edge either way.

  • cyberpigue

    Interesting story, however I didn’t appreciate the video advertisement that began playing at full volume without warning. You will lose readers in a hurry with such sleazy tactics.

  • rivahmitch

    “Massachusetts DCF spokesman, Alec Loftus said, “Our primary goal has always been the health and well-being of Justina.”

    If it’s a government droid, it lies. If it works for the government and lies, it deserves execution. Call it “Cleaning up America”!

    Government, at all levels, must be made to fear the people again or, as Jefferson warned “When people fear the government there is tyranny”.

    • Tom223

      Better to just send them to the unemployment line as an example of what not to do. We need to cut the size of government by at least half and that would only be a good start.

      • asmith1234

        Personally, I’d like to see gallows built in DC for every one of the traitors to our Constitution. Same thing should be done at the state level.

  • johnny b

    Please oh please sue the shit out of that hospital and the people that held star-chamber hearings to remove this little girl from her parents without notice…. This type of criminal activity MUST be stopped….
    If someone harmed my child in this way, it would be lock and load time…. That would be the last time these criminals got away with that crap!!!!!

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yea! Right!? We should be able to freely abuse our kids any fashion we want!

      Yea, freedom!!!!!1

      • Tom223

        Your comment does not follow the data presented. Where is there any advocacy for abusing kids? The restraint of the parents is pretty amazing. In decades past the father would have gathered some friends, extracted the child from the hospital and transported her to her home state. But then this sort of unfounded taking of a child from her parents would not have happened.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Hospitals have had to report child abuse for decades, so what are you talking about?

          Like I said:
          If I was mercilessly beating my child, should they be removed from my care?

          ANSWER THAT QUESTION. Not a single one of you will answer it, because deep down you know there are realistic limitations and as a SOCIETY (yes, such a scary liberal word apparently), we aren’t okay with children and the disabled being abused or neglected.

          • R.A christian

            Hardly intent to inure child, again troll!

          • LoneWiseMan

            What? Speak English, simpleton.

          • Jake77

            What does “mercilessly beating my child” have to do with this story? Of course a child should be removed from a parent who “mercilessly beats” them. That has absolutely nothing to do with the plight of this girl. Are you really unable to tell the difference between beating a child and insisting on treating a child for a condition she has been diagnosed for and has kept her walking and able to skate. You really need to work on your ability to differentiate. I don’t mind having a rational discussion with someone on a particular subject but in this case to continue conversing with you would be like fighting with an unarmed man.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “That has absolutely nothing to do with the plight of this girl.”

            Of course it does. People are claiming that no one should have the right to remove your child or someone you’re taking care of. It’s the foundation of their argument in this situation.

            That’s obviously absurd and wrong.

          • Jake77

            The answer requires the ability to tell the difference between “mercilessly beating” a child and wanting to stick with the diagnosis of your child’s doctor. To any sane person with average intellectual ability or honesty this would be a very easy thing to differentiate. Unfortunately you are apparently unable, or perhaps unwilling, to see the difference. Clearly your purpose is more along the line of creating upset with the other visitors of this page.

          • LoneWiseMan

            My purpose here is to be the voice of reason.

            I sat quietly for a long time before I got tired of the tinfoil hat nutjobs slowly banding together with their stupidity and growing in numbers.

            I don’t *know* she situation. I can only speculate off of what we *think* we know to be true. With that said, a lot of people are screaming bloody murder at the government for “kidnapping” without actually knowing.

            The government does a lot of egregious things, but people need to be more objective. They’re playing into hands of the likes of Kristin Tate and her obvious nutjob vibe.

            She should be writing “articles” on Infowars.com or something equally ridiculous.

          • Kristian Ralle

            Of course there are limitations to society, shill’s like you are those limitations.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “Gee, I bet if I call him a shill because I disagree with him, his points will be magically invalid!!!”

            lol

          • Kristian Ralle

            Pfft, you are a shill. Now take that coffee-mug and chug it down, it’s probably an all night’er for you.

          • asmith1234

            Being that the LoneTroll has targeted this site to harass, there should be a warning to all posters not to bother even responding to him. Better, yet, folks should just start flagging his posts.

          • Yanksta

            LWM, engage in deflection much? THIS story, the story of Justina is a story of child abuse. Unfortunately, you seem to think it is OK when it is handed down by the state.

            The parents were following the orders of a doctor for treating Justinas physical condition – hardly mercilessly abusing their child. You say they should be happy of the unsolicited second opinion that her condition was mental, not physical. And somehow, under treatment for a mental condition, her physical ability begins to deteriorate. How does that work exactly. How about you ANSWER THAT QUESTION?

            If you were mercilessly beating your child they would be removed from your care. Deflecting the issue at hand by that comparison is an absolutely obsurd notion, having no connectoin to logical reasoning. That you would advocate for the state, the entity by which Justina’s abuse has been administered is clear evidence that your mental capacity bears no resemblance you your user name.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “ANSWER THAT QUESTION?”

            You don’t know if she was “healthy” before.

            Also, it’s a psychological disorder. They tend to not follow strict rules.

            “If you were mercilessly beating your child they would be removed from your care.”

            Wow, you mean someone has the right to take my child? That seems so contradictory to everything else stated here by the tinfoil hat nutjobs.

          • Jake77

            “you don’t know if she was ‘healthy’ before.” That was reported on. Guess you missed that.
            I suppose you were too busy trying to obfuscate the truth and cut the ability of others to understand what’s really going on.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Tate typed it out, because the parents said so.

            That carries about as much weight as Obama claiming he’s representative of the average man in America.

            Hearsay. Again, do you need the definition explained?

          • Yanksta

            Weak. We DO know that she was healthier before she went into the hospital. She was WALKED in and WHEELED out.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Nope, sorry. Saying it again doesn’t make it true.

      • R.A christian

        You are an obv troll. How do you get your info? Any source to site bud?

        • LoneWiseMan

          I’m merely pointing out the absurdity of your arguments:
          “THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE A RIGHT TO TAKE MY KIDS!”

          Obvious nonsense. We all agree to not sit by when a kid or handicapped person is being abused. Not a single one of even you guys are dumb enough to say otherwise.

          Ironically, you’re using that “they shouldn’t be able to take her away” (ir)rationalization as justification for your entire argument.

          • johnny b

            Hay Troll;
            The argument here is the child was doing very well on the medication she was proscribed and when the parents took her to another hospital for a second opinion, all hell broke loose and the hospital and staff screwed up and miss diagnosed and caused harm to the child.
            The kangaroo court hearing was an ex parte hearing and the parents were not notified…. THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG!!!!!
            Are you that lame as to not understand the written work??? You sound like a Nobama voter….
            Go back and read the article and try to learn….

          • LoneWiseMan

            “The argument here is the child was doing very well on the medication she was proscribed”

            Hearsay.

          • johnny b

            How many pieces of silver do you receive each month you frickin shill/Troll???
            You are obviously dumber than a stump because you cannot understand the basic English in the above article… You are here to just ferment desention and that is what a troll/shill is… So go away you rebarbative and go back to your masters at nsa…. just go away and shut-up….

          • LoneWiseMan

            “Wah, you disagree with me and use logic, you must be a shill!!!111″

            Simpleton.

          • LoneWiseMan

            No she wasn’t. That’s what the parents claim. That means absolutely nothing.

            She ended up having to go to the hospital for a reason, not because she was in great health.

          • R.A christian

            Umm, maybe use that passion next time u buy ur iPhone as u are contributing to ppl standing by while part of humanity suffers…for ur cheap plastic. Why are we picking battles here and tell me how u kno it’s the right choice.

          • LoneWiseMan

            iPhone? Are you idiotically trying to assert that I’m a liberal or something? lol

            Wow.

          • R.A christian

            Nope not at all, but you seemed to have just indicated that your only 2 dimensional…lib or con….right or left? It’s still ur actions

        • asmith1234

          For sure about the LoneTroll. Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if he wasn’t on a payroll. Take a look at this article: “Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online”

          • R.A christian

            Makes us sound like the nuts as u never really can what is what…this is why schools need to teach common sense not just false histories

  • Shin Chan

    Because the gag order was absurd and could not be justified. Still haven’t heard even a rumor or theory as to why a “gag order” would be necessary, unless someone is just trying to cover their ass.

    • asmith1234

      Shin, I wonder how many other children have been kidnapped by this hospital for their research program and have had gag orders put on them. I’m so thankful for the courage that Justina’s dad had in breaking that unconstitutional gag order. The only purpose for that gag order was to hide the cockroaches.

      • Shin Chan

        I wonder the same. I’d bet that in more cases than not (especially in that state) judges are almost exclusively nanny-state loving non-thinkers with a bias towards trusting the designated “authority figure” in all cases. That creates a situation where the state-dictated “authority figure” can abuse that trust–after all, they’re still humans. What is it going to take to abolish this flawed reasoning?

        • asmith1234

          Shin, you wrote: “What is it going to take to abolish this flawed reasoning?” I’ve spent a number of years contemplating this same question in my mind. Sadly, for so many the reality of our slavery and the complete depth of the corruption in our government, is hard to mentally grasp, people try to pretend it doesn’t exist. Part of the problem is a general ignorance about history and the historical record of tyrannies and dictatorships. If one knows history, they recognize what is happening in this country. What blows me away is hearing from so many immigrants that have come here from communistic countries that recognize what’s happening here, before, the average American. To a certain degree, we’re not so different than what took place in Germany during WWII. Some didn’t realize the gravity of their situation until they were being marched into the ovens. I do have more hope for our country than what took place, then, because we do have more and more openly reporting on the outrages, like this story about Justina. More and more people are waking up that it could be them, next. Frankly, I think we’re close to a civil war in this country, although, I pray that it doesn’t come to that. I’d rather see gallows built for the traitors, first.

  • Vikodlak

    Can someone tell me on what legal grounds the parents rights were terminated? What is the legal basis for putting her in foster care?

    • LoneWiseMan

      I doubt anyone has the REAL information at hand, but it’s apparent that BCH thinks that the parents are causing harm by over-medicating the child and refusing to listen to their diagnosis or any others for that matter. They tried to leave with the girl or something and the hospital fearing for the girls health/safety, contacted DCF. Temporarily anyone under your care can be taken if the right social workers deem it, but then the judge solidified it when he heard the case.

      My take:
      The parents aren’t being rational and are probably perpetuating/exacerbating whatever physiological issue the girl is having (her sister had a mitochondrial disease).

      • Jared Smitheman

        Seriously that’s ridiculous they should have at least been able to take her somewhere else for a second opinion

        • LoneWiseMan

          THEY REFUSED TO DO THAT.

          They clearly didn’t want a second opinion.

          What sane parents wouldn’t be thrilled at the notion their kid didn’t have a disease? Instead, they were angry and wanted to leave… and of course keep pumping their kid full of medication that she doesn’t need.

          That’s crazy, full-on crazy.

          • Jared Smitheman

            She was doing fine on a physical medication and all of a sudden she needs phychological drugs? Yeah I don’t care what they tell me you’re not keeping my kid. That’s absurd they have 0 rights to your child

          • LoneWiseMan

            Where did they say that she needs psychological drugs?

            And she wasn’t doing fine.

          • Jake77

            Show me one doctor at any hospital in America that diagnoses patient with a mental disorder and doesn’t follow up with psychotropic drugs. The percentages of that not happening are incredibly miniscule.
            She was doing better than she is now. She wasn’t in a wheel chair like she is now.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Psychological issues are a strange thing.

            I guess they don’t exist in your world or something, lol.

          • Jake77

            Insanity does exist. Unfortunately the psychiatrists do not have a single cure for it. Your comment is irrelevant.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Gosh, no, insanity doesn’t exist, because you know… the evil psychiatrists make it up as they go!!!

            Right?

          • LoneWiseMan

            No she wasn’t.

          • Jake77

            you haven’t been paying attention – actually you probably have but some truth does not fit with your agenda.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Neither I nor you, know her condition before or after.

          • Tom223

            It would have been a third opinion as the BCH opinion was the second. Who are you or anyone else to enforce taking a second opinion or a third opinion.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Sure, whatever, the parents still refused.

          • Tom223

            They had a doctor. They had the right to refuse mistreatment of their daughter. Something you refuse to acknowledge. The child is worse off physically now than before. She didn’t get stuck in a wheel chair until BCH took over. Oh but lets just forget, overlook or deny that little fact – oh wait, you’ve already done that about a dozen times.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Gosh, it’s almost as if it’s not so black and white and the hospital had more to go off of than just “they didn’t listen to us.”

            I know if my kid had been diagnosed with a rare disease, and a team of doctors told me that my kid didn’t have the disease, the first thing I’d do is get angry and want to leave.

            Yea, that’s totally rational and sane.

          • jholderbaum

            The ER doctor at BCH didn’t believe in mito and brought the shrink in. You really are just an old fool.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Nope, that’s not what happened. The doctor only saw the “symptoms” popping up when the mother was around. He then read through all of her medical records and the reports.

            http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

          • jholderbaum

            and then he called in the shrink who gazed into her crystal ball and announced that she had a hunch and rest is history.

          • Kristian Ralle

            please stop with your shilling, go to 4chan instead, atleast there we can hide your posts/threads.

            Every article on this site has your name in the comment section, and guess what?!, you’re always arguing for the state.

            Do you have no morals?

          • LoneWiseMan

            No, I’m not. I’ve outright stated that officials and police who break the law while in positions of authority should have more severe punishments (death, wealth stripped, etc.)

            But you keep sticking your fingers in your ears all you want and championing the psycho parents of this poor little girl.

          • Kristian Ralle

            Flipping genius!

          • jake77

            The girl was in better condition with her parents than with BCH.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Hearsay, nonsense.

          • asmith1234

            The LoneTroll, doesn’t like to look at picture that show the difference between the time that she was with her parents and now. Thankfully, due to Ben Swann drawing a focus to the story about Justina along with other publications, the cockroaches that instigated this kidnapping, will probably back off and maybe not continue on their intent of murdering her. The cockroaches really don’t like it when a light is shone on their evil doings.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “Gee, I bet if I call him a shill because I disagree with him, his points will be magically invalid!!!”

            lol

          • Jake77

            No magic needed. Most of your points are invalid. Unfortunately you are either incapable of seeing that or you have a more malicious intent behind your comments.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I’m just refusing to let emotional nonsense cloud my judgment. The parents got angry and wanted to leave when the doctors told them their girl doesn’t have a disease.

            THAT IS NOT RATIONAL. In fact, logically, it’s the act of someone who (probably the mother) has psychological issues herself and couldn’t handle hearing the truth.

          • GiveAdogAbone

            You might be right about the mother. Buy don’t you think it’s a little strange that BCH won’t let Justina watch tv, use the internet, or use a cell phone?

          • LoneWiseMan

            I’m not a psychologist, nor can I confirm what you just said. Link?

            If they are, maybe they’re breaking her free from her “normal routine” so she doesn’t feel like she needs to keep showing her mother symptoms? I don’t know.

            I know they’re not locking her in a padded cell and beating her.

          • asmith1234

            Jake77, you wrote about Lone(notsowise)man/woman?:
            “you have a more malicious intent behind your comments”
            I think it’s pretty obvious for all to see. If you do a search for his handle, you’ll see he’s regularly targeted this site and a few others that I saw right off the bat. Malicious, indeed, as it is with most trolls.

      • Jake77

        Dear LoneJackAss.
        You state, “Or any others for that matter” this is a misrepresentation of the facts. Your take is pretty useless as you clearly have a bias against the parents and are willing to ignore the fact that the parents were following the advice of their regular physician and with the treatment of BCH the girl is in worse physical condition. You are advocating for those who have harmed the girl – the hospital and the state. Before she could walk and now she can’t. If the girl does have MD they have harmed her by not giving her the needed medication – the wheel chair points in this direction. If she has somatoform (mentally generated) disorder clearly their treatment has caused a worsening of her condition. Either way she was better off being able to walk and function. What you are advocating for is the deterioration of the child as that is the course of action you have endorsed. You are nearly as much of a creep as the people at BCH, DCF and the court.

        • LoneWiseMan

          More emotional nonsense.

          Rational thought leads me to think the parents are to blame.

          What other parents would get angry, refuse another doctor’s opinion, and demand to leave when they’re told their kid does in fact NOT have a disease?

          I’ll tell you what parents: crazy ones.

          • Jake77

            One must be capable of rational thought to have rational thought. Your many comments on this page have clearly shown you are lacking in this ability. So sorry for you.

      • Kristian Ralle

        Well, if it isn’t the shill. The job pays well I presume?

        • LoneWiseMan

          “Gee, I bet if I call him a shill because I disagree with him, his points will be magically invalid!!!”

          lol

          • Kristian Ralle

            Invalid? nah, just for the whole world of sheeple to see.
            continue on, pays by the post or how many letters you type?

          • LoneWiseMan

            Yes, simpleton, “shills” routinely call almost all Republicans and Democrats pieces of shit. As well as Fox, ABC, NBC, and CNN being the direct contributors general population ignorance and deception.

          • Kristian Ralle

            Shills always come with facts that are swayed, your doing it now, keeping your “cover”

            Talking kind words to other top commenters, gaining their trust, It’s also important for shills to criticize the media once in awhile, so the cover isn’t blown.

            Well, I’m of to work, on a saturday :(

          • LoneWiseMan

            Talking kind words to other top commenters? Have you even been reading my replies?

            Goy? You think I’m Jewish?

            lol, my avatar is that of Andrew Jackson.

          • Kristian Ralle

            Well, certainly, who could be so greedy that want’s to work for “United Amalgamated Industries inc” or any other dull sounding corporate name.

            I could have Stalin, Lenin or Hitler as an avatar, your point is what?

          • LoneWiseMan

            What?

          • asmith1234

            I suspect they’re paid by the post, but for all we know, they’re all sitting in a room monitoring several sites all at once and paid by the hour. You might be interested in reading this article: “Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online”

          • Art Lee

            No the girls condition makes everything you say invalid. Correctly labeling you merely makes it easy to identify what you are.

          • LoneWiseMan

            What condition?

            Are you a medical professional?

            Did you see her before and after?

            No? Then shut your ignorant mouth up and start thinking for yourself. Tate is feeding you a bunch of sensationalist nonsense and you’re swallowing it whole.

        • asmith1234

          Shill, or, one of the paid trolls. Same thing.

    • Jake77

      According to the psychiatric diagnostic manual the parents have a mental disorder if they disagree with a psychiatric diagnosis. It is completely asinine, and unscientific but society lets the Psychiatrists get away with this sort of thing every day. Parents are told they have to put their kids on mind altering psychotropic drugs or they will lose their rights as parents on a daily basis in this country. The international sales of psychiatric drugs generates revenues of about $330 billion annually. With that comes incredible profits. The corporations who manufacture these drugs don’t give one damned about the rights of parents or children but they do care about promoting any government action that will increase their sales.
      As far as the specific legal grounds are concerned, that may have been covered in earlier articles here on benswann.com or better yet it would probably be more fruitful to do a search on the web. Kristen tends to leave out details in favor of the sensational.

      • LoneWiseMan

        Psychiatry does not equal psychology.

        The BCH said nothing about putting her on medication, which makes your rant almost completely worthless. If anything, they wanted her OFF of her current medication.

        • Jake77

          Psychiatrists can prescribe drugs. Psychologists can’t. It I not a rant it is data. Your characterization is an attempt to obfuscate. The girl is a minor and it would be inappropriate for them to state specifically what treatment she was receiving. Her current medication was prescribed by her regular doctor at Tuft’s. Where is it written that the parents have to accept an unsolicited second opinion. The child had a regular physician and the parents were following that doctor’s regimen. They were acting in accordance with what their doctor prescribed. That is not grounds for taking their rights away. And also of note, now that BCH took her OFF her MD medication she is stuck in a wheel chair. That is a degeneration of condition. Clearly whatever these saintly and mentally superior “doctors” at BCH are doing it is not helping evidenced by the girls deteriorated state.

          • LoneWiseMan

            It’s a doctor’s job to make sure their patient isn’t being harmed. Incorrectly subscribing medicine she doesn’t need is “harming” her.

            The parents acted insane and irrational when they were told she didn’t have a disease, which is why the doctors at BCH got worried.

          • Jake77

            the girl is worse physically. BCH got it wrong.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Hearsay.

          • asmith1234

            Troll

          • LoneWiseMan

            Idiot who can’t think for herself and is being suckered in by the sensationalist nonsense that Kristin Tate is feeding you.

          • Art Lee

            Really hearsay ? Might look it up . Also try looking at other stories and photo’s. Sorry bud it is a fact. I saw them. I did not HEAR some one SAY that it is true I saw them. Not hearsay.

          • LoneWiseMan

            She looks healthier in this picture than any other picture I’ve seen posted:
            http://benswann.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Screenshot-2014-02-28-at-3.44.17-PM.png

            Although it’s clearly not flattering with her mouth open, but she doesn’t look deathly pale and skinny.

          • asmith1234

            Jake77, ignore the Lone(not so wise)man, he’s just a net troll trying to throw up a smoke screen. You pegged it right on the money that all he/she (who know what a troll really is) is just an obfuscator.

        • asmith1234

          What are you a troll nitpicker?

        • Art Lee

          Yes the former medication just let her maintain a good life. I guess you to think walking is a luxury ?

          • LoneWiseMan

            No it didn’t.

            That’s called hearsay. Go look it up.

        • Shin Chan

          So do you acknowledge that this kid’s health deteriorated for a full year after being taken off previous treatments? If not, do you have any evidence at all to show otherwise?

          • LoneWiseMan

            “So do you acknowledge that this kid’s health deteriorated for a full year after being taken off previous treatments?”

            No. I don’t know. The picture of her in the hospital a year later makes her look much healthier though.

            Do you have evidence to show her health has deteriorated besides what the parents claim, because that’s not evidence, that’s blind gullibility.

          • Shin Chan

            There are other normal looking pictures that were posted to this site previously, so I’m not sure I agree (plus we don’t know when these were all taken).

            Well, you are right that this is coming from the parents, but this would be a pretty bold lie for them to try and get away with: “A year ago, Justina was competing in figure skating competitions — now, she is paralyzed from the waist down and is not receiving any schooling.”

            That shouldn’t be too hard to verify (and also seems to mesh with the prior diagnosis better), and there’s a figure skating picture in a prior article. That last picture you’re looking at has her looking drugged up, so who knows. I’m just trying to go on evidence, contrary to what you might think–you’re not the only one.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I encourage you to read this article:
            http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

            It gives far more information (actual journalism, unlike Tate’s) on the entire thing.

          • Shin Chan

            That’s a good one–actually makes me a little more suspicious of the hospital, but it raises even more questions with this particular case. What is concerning is that it seems the original hospital did more tests and spent much more time on the case, but I don’t recall mention of the “prison” hospital (read the part about the “psychiatric ward”) doing any tests at all. I don’t buy into this “mental disease” stuff too easily–if there isn’t a scientific test for it, there’s lots of room for misunderstandings and incorrect assumptions.

            I think they could easily be wrong due to a combination of personality clashes and institutional arrogance. But not everything regarding the parents sounds so great either. Third parties say the parents are hard to deal with, but other third parties give good evidence that the original diagnosis is defensible.

            Still distressed at how much more power the hospital has here (as are some of the experts quoted in that article). I wonder if both the hospital and the parents could be doing wrong, after reading that. Holy crap.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I agree.

            Keep in mind, however, that the “power” is in the hands of the DCF, not in the hospital. The hospital just reports it and gives their professional opinion to DCF. Although I guess that in itself is power, but still it’s something to note.

            I’m very leery of the entire psychology/psychiatric field. I think “depression” and “ADD/ADHD” are absurd 99% of the time.

            That’s not to say, however, that no one has any psychological issues, but since humans are simply so complex, the field can’t exactly be as scientific as math, which leads to opinions and conjecture. Mothers, especially highly likely insane ones like hers, have a huge negative impact on their kids.

            With all of the evidence I’ve read and how the only sources of information that are against the “state” are from sources like Tate and Glen Beck (people with a confirmation bias), I can’t help to lean to the side of the state in this specific situation, as much as that pains me.

            These situations detract from the real atrocities out there, and there are plenty of them.

            Now that I think about it, almost everything Tate posts is so ridiculous and filled with bullshit, I’m almost always against it.

        • jholderbaum

          Psychiatrists are almost medical doctors but not quite. Psychologists are comparable to most religious fanatics. No science, all speculation and lots of psychiatric torture.

      • asmith1234

        Jake77, thanks for posting. As a parent, and now a grandparent, I’ve been following this topic for several years in news reports. It truly is heartbreaking to see our country turn into a tyrannical fascist nation. Unconstitutionally, the government has usurped their authority, inch by inch over the last couple of decades to the point it’s shocking if you do follow news on these types of reports.. Bottom line, it’s the government laying down the claim that they OWN our children, just like has been done all through history in tyrannical dictatorships and fascist countries.
        Sadly, people need to wake up that if one is attacked, all are attacked and no family is safe. Unfortunately, what we see is people, when they hear of these cases, ignoring them because it’s not their ox that’s being gored, or, the idiots come out of the woodwork defending the tyrannical government, never bothering to comprehend that it may even be their family that could be attacked next. Not so different from the conditions in Nazi Germany where there were some that didn’t worry about their neighbors being attacked because they thought they were safe from attack. That’s the seeds that allow tyranny to grow and take over where none are safe from attack.

      • Art Lee

        Take a look at who decides what is a psychological disorder. You will see people closely related to the drug companies.

    • Art Lee

      The best interest of the child . As determined by people who do not give a damn about her.

      • Shin Chan

        In fairness they probably give some damns, but the argument is that they could have (evil) ulterior motives.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Parents being psycho and endangering their daughter’s life by continuing her on medication she doesn’t need.

      (Hospital/DCF’s perspective.)

    • jholderbaum

      Their rights have not been terminated. Curiously, there is another child at BCH who has been snatched from his parents. His parents are fighting to get him back but it’s very difficult when you’re poor. Parents need expensive lawyers to fight these criminals. Anyway, this is a young boy suffering from renal failure. BCH not only called DCF, who terminated the parental rights and are putting him up for adoption, but they locked him in the same psych ward as Justina. Why would BCH lock a young boy dealing with kidney failure in a psych ward? BCH has a history of doing this. The state of Massachusetts needs to conduct a full investigation into this, if they can get past Harvard!

  • asmith1234

    Mr. Swann, thank you so much for covering this story!

    • LoneWiseMan

      Oh for the love of…

      Please don’t confuse Ben with Kristin.

      • asmith1234

        Is that the best you can do with nitpicking?

  • Kristian Ralle

    We’re now living in a system that hates the individual, while the sheeple is swayed by the shills

    History is a fraud, reality is a fake.

  • Kirplunk!

    It is obvious the medical facility thinks her parents have medically abused their daughter….but….stripping a child from her parents over an issue like this is causing more damage….the means do not justify the end! It’s horrible how many people in American society abuse authoritative assertions these days….power trips everyday in America, from police, senate, hospitals, doctors, local governments, etc….so forth an so on….When actual un censored news reports are filled with disbelief, and Constitutional violations day after day, we can only Assume America is very sick, and it must get well…I can safely say if Ron Paul had been elected president the world would be a much safer and healthier place right now!

    • tsacian

      I agree, except to point out that “stripping a child from her parents over an issue like this is causing more damage..”. You say that without knowing the damage the unnecessary medication was causing. I guarantee there are serious side effects, not to mention the fact that Justina would also not be receiving treatment for her newly diagnosed mental disorder. I think we need to trust the medical experts and judges when dealing with her diagnosis. Its not like her original doctor is fighting the claim that she was misdiagnosed.

      • asmith1234

        To naively trust the government and so called ‘medical experts’ during a period of time where it’s been proven over and over again how corrupt the system is, is truly unbelievable.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Yes, but it’s totally okay to trust the FIRST doctor, you know, the one that didn’t even perform a biopsy.

          lol, *that* doctor is like, totally safe and cool and stuff!!

          Right?

          • jholderbaum

            Run along and snatch someone’s children now. Gotta keep up with those quotas, you know. I hear human trafficking pays pretty well.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Tinfoil hat nutjob.

          • jholderbaum

            Well if you have ever seen the tin foil hat movie “Signs” you will remember what happens next …

          • LoneWiseMan

            o_O

          • jholderbaum

            They were right all along. Haha. Gotcha!

        • tsacian

          To naively trust these parents, and not a team of medical professionals, is better? They clearly did not want to hear that she had a mental disorder. They reacted in a strange way (despite being offered another opinion). Same type of people who probably don’t get flu shots. Great parenting /s

          • jholderbaum

            The parents got their information from their doctor at Tufts who is a Mito expert. But you would rather receive medical care from a shrink. Next!

      • Art Lee

        Let’s see trust which experts ? Tuft’s a world class medical school? Under whose care she thrived ? Or BCH where she has steadily declined ? Blindly trust the judge and BCH. Sorry pardner I do not do blind obedience. It goes against my doctrine of critical thinking. Might give it a try sometime. Will reduce the amount of times you look stupid.

        • LoneWiseMan

          She didn’t thrive. Her health was deteriorating, which is why she was brought there in the first place.

          You’re listening to what the parents claimed and accepting it as fast. You’re as gullible and stupid as they come.

          • jholderbaum

            She got a flu nimrod. Oh, but according to you it was all in her head and her parents are crazy.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Nope, she was barely able to eat and walk.

            You were lied to by Tate and are too much of a gullible sucker to question her sensationalist nonsense.

          • jholderbaum

            That’s why she was rushed to BCH.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Exactly, not just “because she had the flu, but was super healthy!!!!!”

            They drove down to BCH, because that’s where her gastro-doc was at.

            She was in extremely poor health before going to BCH.

        • tsacian

          Correlation != causation. Also, you are blindly trusting the first hospital, who did not perform a biopsy. You have presented absolutely Zero evidence to support your conclusion, and you are accepting your gut feeling as fact.

          Critical thinking led me to reject Kristens conclusion (and I love Ben Swann’s articles), due to the fact that BCH performed a biopsy, and due to the fact that Tufts is not rejecting this diagnosis (unless you could show otherwise).

      • eyesandears

        A mitochondrial condition is rare and few possess sufficient knowledge enabling them to improve it. When doctors don’t comprehend the basis of a physiological condition, the throwback is psychiatric — a field lacking any proof of causal basis whatsoever for the diagnoses it creates (but for addictions and ‘true’ bipolar disorder). Having worked in psych for 8 years, I’ve witnessed how your identified ‘experts’ often become more entrenched in being ‘right’ at all costs, even to the point of detriment to their patients. And let’s not forget the situation in Texas (but one example) where overly zealous psychiatric professionals (your ‘experts’) were simply picking up former adolescent patients and hospitalizing them against their will without parental consent or knowledge; yes, criminal prosecution ensued.

        Your blind acceptance of doctors and judges as ultimately knowing what’s best for individuals of whom they know very little exhibits an assumptive stance (an inability to think independently and rationally beyond what you’ve been fed) and a strong propensity to conform. Congratulations, you’ve achieved poster child status for the successfully behaviorally modified collective.

        • LoneWiseMan

          lol, internet expert doesn’t know that you can simply perform a muscle biopsy to test for MD.

        • tsacian

          You are saying that this doctor is wrong with Zero evidence. You are accepting the opinion of the first doctor, who did not run the requried tests or biopsies, with zero evidence.

          • eyesandears

            There are no tests for somatoform disorder. Contrasting the girl’s presenting physiological condition, as a result of care provided by the first physician, to her vastly deteriorated condition today, after one-plus year’s care under the dissenting physicians, brings blatant evidence that the first doc had the better ‘handle’ on treatment – tests or no tests. To conclude otherwise reflects a disconnect from reality.

          • tsacian

            Correlation is not causation. Also, there IS a test for the presumed mitochondria disease which was not performed at the time of her orignial diagnosis. This test is a simple biopsy, and it was the reason a new diagnosis was made.

            > To conclude otherwise reflects a disconnect from reality.

            The only ones backing her original diagnosis are her parents. It isn’t as if her original doctor is speaking out. They didn’t want a 2nd opinion, they just wanted to continue drugging her unnecessarily. To ignore medical professionals and listen only to unsubstantiated claims shows a disconnect from reality.

          • jholderbaum

            Dr. Korson, Chief, Metabolism Service; Director, Metabolic Disorders Clinic; Associate Professor, Tufts University School of Medicine. Dr. Korson is universally recognized as an expert in clinical practice for mitochondrial patients. He worked with Justina for at least 1 year. She went to BCH to be seen by another of her doctors who had transferred from Tufts to BCH but was not allowed to see him. Some doctors are decent human beings while others are Josef Megele wannabe’s.

          • jholderbaum

            *Mengele

          • tsacian

            I have read all of your replies, thanks. You seem to have extra knowledge of the case that isn’t in any of the articles I have read. If that is the case, of course I would be on your side. Personally, I tend to lean against many psychiatric diagnoses’ but I had assumed they at least ruled out the mito disease by verifiable means. This may not be the case. I am simply trying to be a voice of reason with the Evidence that has been presented. If I see more evidence, I will alter my opinion. The gag order was BS of course.

            Thanks again for your replies.

    • asmith1234

      Kirplunk, No, it’s not obvious the medical facility thought the parents medically abused their daughter. The Blaze reported in their story on Justina, in the article: “What We Found in a Boston Children’s Hospital Policy Manual About Research on ‘Wards of the State’” the following:
      “The hospital’s clinical investigations policy continues (emphasis added): Children who are Wards of the state may be included in research that presents greater than minimal risk with no prospect of direct benefit (46.406 (50.53) or 46.407 ( 50.54) only if the [institutional review board] determines and documents that such research is Related to their status as wards;”
      Money truly is the root of evil. There’s a lot of grant money to be had in research. Worse, with our growing out of control and corrupt government, agencies, need participants in order to justify their existence. There’s bounties on every child’s head in the U.S. It’s just that usually only the poor or single parents that get preyed upon by the government being they are less able to defend themselves against Goliath.
      People should read the book Profane Justice, there’s tons of documented cases of the tyrannical state kidnapping children from their families. It’s a evil racket that the state has going where they make money off the children.

    • jholderbaum

      All hospital personnel are mandated reporters. They have absolute power to take children away from parents. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  • Sarahkichard

    After seeing pics of Justina over the course of a year since this kidnapping occurred, it’s obviously the girl has appeared more sickly with each photo, leading to believe her well being has diminished not increased!

  • tsacian

    Ben seems to be under the impression that every set of parents are amazing parents. It seems quite clear that the medical staff, and a judge, believe that Justina’s parents are so unyielding in thier belief that their daughter doesn’t have a mental issue. I mean, just imagine if a doctor let you know that a previous diagnosis was incorrect and that your son/daughter has a mental disorder. You may not take it well.

    Do we have any reason to believe that this diagnosis is incorrect? No. Is it possible that these parents don’t want to admit that their daughter is mentally handicapped? Absolutely. The problem is that this disbelief led to a dangerous situation of drugging their daughter with unnecessary medication which would harm her.

    • James Hale

      Where does the doctor at Boston Children’s Hospital get off declaring the doctor that originally diagnosed her as incompetent? The original diagnosis is consistent with her symptoms and also her family medical history. One doctor doesn’t get to declare himself the king of medicine and overrule all other doctors. When the family asked for another opinion/to move her to another hospital they should bent over backwards to see it done. If the parents want to move the girl to another medical facility the state should have no recourse but to make it so.

      • LoneWiseMan

        If her original doctor was competent, she would’ve performed a biopsy.

        That doctor should be in a world of shit if she ends up being wrong.

        • jholderbaum

          He’s an expert in mito and he has an excellent reputation.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Good, glad you said that:

            “Korson counseled caution. By its very nature, he stressed to Newton, mitochondrial disease can be a “setup” for accusations.”

            “Although he had given Justina a “working” diagnosis of mito, he acknowledged he couldn’t be 100 percent sure.”

            lol. That’s her original doctor by the way, because I know you don’t even know his name.

      • jholderbaum

        She is not a doctor at all. She is a psychologist.

    • asmith1234

      Tsacian, you seem to be under the impression that the state has some Constitutional authority to steal children from their family. It’s not your business, nor mine, and certainly not the state’s, to interfere with the parent’s decision. This type of thing only happens in countries that are not free and tyrannical in nature.

      • Rocky Is Cash

        That is not entirely true. You do not have a right as a parent to harm your child, you do not have the right to abuse your child, and you could not refuse to have your child medically cared for if they were seriously ill. While I will always agree the state steps in way too much and has done everything to become a nanny state, the fact remains your comment is simply wrong.

        I also will not take a position on this case, unlike many of you, because I am not the parents, am not the doctors, have no real unbiased information about the facts of the case, but I will say this about it, if the doctors are right, they were right in taking the kid. If they are wrong, they should be sued and lose their license. Simple as that. What disgusts me tremendously is so many jump into the fray just because they want to believe little real info and what the parents tell them without the least concern that the parents may be wrong. Will you be just as apt to join sides if the parents end up being wrong and kill their daughter with heavy pain meds? I doubt it.

        • Leo

          WOW Rocky Is Cash. Your pov is sad. No one here is advocating abuse. You DO have a right to not agree with a doctor’s medical OPINION. Science and medicine is NOT exact, SOLID proof of this is the fact that two medical facilities diagnosed two completely different OPINIONS on this child’s condition. ONLY the parents get to decide the course of action. Period.
          You might be one of those parents who would give your child Poison (antidepressants) if a school employee or doctor prescribed it. I hope not.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Another rational person. Good luck.

        • jholderbaum

          A psychologist is not a medical doctor. In this case, the psychologist has a Ph.D. which means doctor in title only.

      • LoneWiseMan

        We all gave them (us) that right, because not even you loony nutjobs will stand by when a child is being abused.

        • jholderbaum

          Child abuse is a crime and those accused should be given due process in a court of law according to the Constitution. Family court is civil court. Civil court should be reserved exclusively for business litigation. Simply put, family court believes everyone accused is guilty and children and families should pay a price. There is no love in family court or child protection. There is no compassion. All child protection is able to do is hurt and hurt and hurt some more. Everyone suffers, especially the children, even those children who genuinely need protection are severely injured by this disgusting system. You can’t help people by hurting them.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Wait, what? That was the most gibberish I’ve ever read.

            What should happen if a kid is being abused?

          • jholderbaum

            It’s a crime. Call law enforcement.

          • LoneWiseMan

            And do what? The cops can take the children? Tell the parents to leave?

            Do you even think before clicking ‘Post’?

            I’m not saying DCF is ran perfectly and operated nobly and by wise people, but you need some sort of organization for these things. Society as a whole would rather the child be taken away immediately if there’s significant reason and then realize they’re mistaken later, than wait for the kid to be killed or allow abuse to continue.

            Use you brain.

          • jholderbaum

            Rescue the child or remove the perpetrator, whichever way works in the child’s best interest which is usually to keep kids with their family. Society as a whole is getting sick and tired of kids being taken for profit and mistreated in the custody of the state. Society would like to see children and families helped, not tortured and humiliated.

      • tsacian

        14th Amendment. They received due process of law, and the state was doing the necessary thing to protect Justina’s life. Same reason a parent cannot poison their children (which is what they were doing, unknowingly).

        • Tom B

          Pure nonsense!You haven’t followed this case in the least and I can tell.

        • carmenta

          do you have evidence the parents were poisoning the child? You should be very careful making accusations like that.

          • asmith1234

            Carmenta, tsacian, and Lone(not so wise)man – (the troll) are in partnership. If you go through and see who all is giving any thumbs up for the troll’s posts, you’ll see it’s only tsacian. You should read the following report about how paid government moles infiltrate media sites like this to just throw up smoke screens and deflect from the issue at hand. Here’s an article you might like to read: http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/

          • carmenta

            Oh Im well aware of trolls – and I know one shouldn’t feed them! Terribly sad that some are willing to say anything in order to make a buck, even at the expense of a child’s life.

          • asmith1234

            It’s just a job for them… as with most of government, they could not care less about a child’s life, nor, any life. Don’t mean to lump ‘ALL’ as far as government employees go because I know there’s some decent ones with a conscience, here and there, but as a whole, the entire system is beyond corrupt. Most of the employees even if they don’t agree with the actions of their depart. will go along to keep their paycheck.

          • jholderbaum

            They could be employees of child protection. They know which side of their bread is buttered.

          • asmith1234

            With tsacian, I think that’s a good possibility. With Lone(notsowise)man, he’s a professional troll. If you do a search for his posts, (just a general google search) you’ll see he targets certain sites. Also, keep in mind these trolls will assume different identities, so, who knows how many other sites he/she? attacks under different names.

            Here’s an interesting article that I came across the other day: “Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online”

            http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/

            Oh, and FWIW, in several of the news reports about Justina, it was stated the whole reason why she went to BCH, in the first place, was due to Justina coming down with the flu. Her regular doctor wanted her to see another one of her doctors that had recently transferred to BCH because he thought this other doctor would be better able to treat her for the flu. When the family got to the hospital, they were unable to see the doctor that knew Justina and that’s when her nightmare began. Contrary to the troll’s false statements.

          • tsacian

            Yes. The parents admitted that they continued giving her medication that was deemed harmful due to her previous misdiagnosis. They performed a biopsy and ruled out the mitochondrial disease.

            (Also, I said they were “unknowingly” poisoning her because the parents believed she had a different illness, but they have been proven wrong).

          • carmenta

            The medical facts of the case have not been released – if there were nothing to hide, there would have been no need for the ‘gag order’. The Judge acted in a manner that most normal people would deem suspicious. The parents admitted they were medicating Justina for mitochondrial disease, which was the working diagnosis while she was in their care. There was no other diagnosis until she was removed from their care.

          • tsacian

            I agree with you there, a gag order is complete BS! When there is more information I may agree with you, but I havent seen that information.

          • jholderbaum

            They ruled out mito because the ER physician at BCH doesn’t believe in it.

        • Jake77

          There was no due process to take the child. They just took her by bureaucratic edict. The child is worse physically and the parents are under no obligation to take the second opinion of BCH over the first opinion of Tuft’s.

        • jholderbaum

          There is no due process in family court. Wake the f up!

    • Art Lee

      You should read some of the other information out there. Tuft’s still says she has mitochondrial disease. Following Tuft’s course of treatment she went to school and played sports. Now she is unable to use her legs. Ever seen a professional make a bad call and stick to it no matter what ?Unnecessary medication ? So I guess being able to walk is an unneeded luxury ?

      • tsacian

        Tufts has NOT refuted this new diagnosis. If they did, this could not have happened. Deteriorating condition could have been due to the overmedicating of the girl, or again, due to her medical condition that brought her to a hospital (even though you believe she was doing great, she was ADMITTED TO A HOSPITAL!) That doesn’t happen to healthy individuals who are responding well to their medication.

        • jholderbaum

          She had the flu, which in Mito cases is extreme. But, according to the shrink at BCH it was all in her head and her parents are crazy.

      • tsacian

        Citation necessary, as I have seen no indication that Tufts holds this position.

    • LoneWiseMan

      That is a completely logical and rational assessment of the situation.

      You will be met with great resistance here with the tinfoil hat people.

      • Tom B

        You seem to forget the girl went from having a decent life to becoming bedridden after the state took over and ceased giving her her medications.In the end I see a major lawsuit coming!

        • LoneWiseMan

          Says who? The parents?

          If I try to sell you the Golden Gate Bridge right now, will you send me the money in advance?

          • jake77

            Says Tuft’s; says the parents. Oh wait lets not get caught up in the important data. Lets just overlook those and come up with a bunch of other hateful misdirection. News flash – you are still a dishonest hater and yes, you still suck.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I see nothing from Tuft’s, besides, aren’t all hospitals evil and state-controlled?

            You’re saying Tuft’s is suddenly the word of god? lol

          • jholderbaum

            If you’ve seen any photos of the child, which I seriously doubt, you will notice the before and after. Before she was on her feet, walking and figure skating. After, she was confined to a wheelchair. That’s progress according to BCH.

          • LoneWiseMan

            The skating was a long time before not be able to eat and walk properly, BEFORE being taken to BCH. You were lied to by Tate and her kin.

            What kind of idiots (in this case, they are, but for different reasons) drive from Connecticut to Massachusetts for a *FLU*?

            You can’t seriously be that stupid.

          • jholderbaum

            Doctor’s orders. You obviously have not been following the story. Why are you even bother to comment?

          • jholderbaum

            *bothering

          • LoneWiseMan

            Doctor ordered them to drive to another state for the flu, huh?

            lol

          • jholderbaum

            They went by ambulance to see one of Justina’s doctors from Tufts now working at BCH.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Gosh, she was SO HEALTHY though, right?

            lol

          • jholderbaum

            She had the flu.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Flu doesn’t mean you can’t walk, eat, or talk.

            She wasn’t healthy before going to BCH.

            Stop lying.

          • jholderbaum

            The skating was December, she was snatched by BCH the following February.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Yea, and in January, she could “barely eat, talk, and walk.”

          • jholderbaum

            When she got the flu.

          • LoneWiseMan

            If she was so healthy, that wouldn’t be a problem.

            The point is, once again: she was NOT healthy skating around on ice right before going to BCH.

            Stop lying.

    • conservative mom

      I agree it is a rational assessment of the situation, however, my understanding is that the parents wanted to seek another opinion in another state and that is when the hospital notified DFS. As a foster mom I am fully aware of the fact that not all parents are wonderful, however, as a parent of a child with a mito disorder I know that misdiagnosis runs rampant with these things. Bottom line is the parents should have been allowed to seek an alternate opinion without their child being held captive by a specific hospital for over a year. If child services wants to follow the case and go from there then fine but her parents have the right to seek another opinion especially given the fact that the Mass. opinion was in direct conflict with Tufts. I don’t know the medical history on this child or which diagnosis is right or wrong. However, it does scare me that the government is allowed to limit medical options and the ability of a parent to get another opinion…… or to go back to the first doc who diagnosed her and say “this hospital says this, is it possible”.

      • tsacian

        I can tell you are one of the few intelligent individuals here. I agree with everything you have stated, except that these parents WERE given the opportunity to get a 2nd opinion. They freaked out and claimed they were going to keep her on the same drugs, and that the medical staff was wrong. This is not an appropriate reaction, but it is understandable. I can see why the hospital staff decided to contact DCF (for not providing the appropriate medical care and continuing the unnecessary medication of their daughter).

        When Justina goes back to tufts, they will most likely continue treating justina for somatoform disorder, but i guess only time will tell. This comment section would be much more civil if the important facts were covered, but they were left out.

        • jake77

          BCH was a second opinion. Tuft’s was the first and the one the parents were going off of. You and others are condemning the parents for not taking the second opinion being offered by BCH.

        • jholderbaum

          No, Tufts will return to their original treatment plan. Psychological analysis is secondary to medical treatment. I would freak out too if some incompetent shrink took steps to throw science out the window and play head games with a sick child instead of sticking to science. I would do more than freak out. I would destroy her.

    • carmenta

      except prior to her kidnapping, Justina was ice dancing and by all accounts doing well. DCFS, without any reported investigation, left Justina’s siblings in the care of her parents. Does that make them negligent? If they seriously considered Justina at risk, they should have been investigating the safety of the other children. This case stinks to high heaven of corrupt, power-crazed doctors and social workers with an agenda…I believe they will try to kill Justina before she is released from their custody. Justina’s medical records will have been purged already – there is something they are trying to hide.

      • asmith1234

        I agree with you, Carmenta. I think they were doing their best to kill her, prior to her dad breaking the gag order and going public. Now, I think the gangsters are trying to figure out how to get themselves out of this mess without going to jail. I suspect there’s an awful lot of paper shredding going on in BCH and DCFS in trying to cover their tracks.

    • jake77

      The daughter has been with BCH for 9 months and has physically deteriorated under their expert treatment. The parents are right, BCH is wrong and so are you.

      • jholderbaum

        BCH has been holding Justina hostage for at least a year.

  • asmith1234

    Notice to all posting here… tsacian and the ‘LoneWiseMan’ (net troll, probably on the payroll) are partners.

  • LibertyChick

    I wonder if the parents belong to a conservative group that they are being targeted like this…

    • eyesandears

      I find it disconcerting that today’s ability to analyze information ends up going down the road of conservative/liberal a majority of the time…resulting in the most limiting and simplistic scope of thought where only two sides exist. If, as a nation of individuals, our goal is to successfully initiate any change in our current systems, we must lose this popular tendency to gravitate in this self-defeating direction. Let’s stop decimating our ability to work together towards common goals.

      • Tom223

        Tell that to Obama’s IRS. Unfortunately the conservative/liberal labels do exist and are used way too often. This whole smoke and mirrors of Democrat vs Republican is very destructive to cooperation and resolving issues.

    • asmith1234

      LibertyChick, From what I’ve read, I’m pretty sure it’s the same old motivation since the beginning of recorded history… the love of money and greed. There’s grant money to be made in the area of research and these Nazi doctors need their guinea pigs for that research. What I wonder about is how many other children have been stolen from loving homes and then had gag orders slapped on them to keep them silent.

  • eyesandears

    The underlying issue here is one of doctors utilizing government forces to enforce their medical opinions as the sole option…and mere opinion it is, as more than one medical treatment option usually exists. In the 1930′s the Supreme Court ruled that an individual’s body and his right to make decisions about that body are sacrosanct. Doctors are paid consultants, nothing more.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Tinfoil hat nutjob.

      It’s their job to report abuse of all kinds.

      • eyesandears

        Psychotic thinking – failure to acknowledge reality – deleterious physiological impact of ‘treatment’ by shrinks one year later.

        Decision to seek a second opinion does not constitute abuse but for the perceived blow to the physician’s self-aggrandizing ego.

        • LoneWiseMan

          They refused any other opinion.

          I guess if you were a doctor (lol…) and you saw a child being treated with medication he/she didn’t need, you wouldn’t say anything, right?

          Right.

          • jake77

            The girl’s physical condition took a turn for the worse after being taken from her parents. Who’s right and who’s wrong. Let’s see……..Hmmmmm……….Ahhhhhhh……..Oh! I got it, it’s the LoneJackAss. That was a tough one, glad I was able to figure it out. You are a hater and yes you still suck.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “The girl’s physical condition took a turn for the worse after being taken from her parents. ”

            No it didn’t.

          • jake77

            Of course it did. The data backs up that viewpoint. Your hateful opinion backs up yours.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Nope, it doesn’t.

          • LoneWiseMan

            No, it didn’t.

          • jholderbaum

            They chose to believe the proven results of a diagnosis made by a competent physician, not the ravings of a deluded psychologist.

          • LoneWiseMan

            And the entire medical staff that called in the psychologist because they knew she had nothing.

            lol

          • jholderbaum

            The admitting ER doctor at BCH told the mother he didn’t believe in Mito and then called in the brilliant psychologist.

          • LoneWiseMan
      • jake77

        Wow! LoneJackAss, you really outdid yourself with this one. What substance, what insight – you are still a hater and yes, you still suck.

        • LoneWiseMan

          I hope “77″ isn’t the year you were born in, lol.

      • jholderbaum

        It’s their job to heal people. First Do No Harm. As mandated reporters, it’s their job to report reasonable suspicion of abuse. The key word being reasonable. They can lose their licenses if they don’t so they panic and report anything never following up on what happens to the children and families after the fact. How many children died or were raped in foster care as a result of their actions. It’s their job to heal and not do harm, not to serve as agents of the state, plying DCF with victims to keep the matching federal funding pouring in. It’s not their job to engage in human trafficking.

        • LoneWiseMan

          “Do no harm” which means not medicating a child that doesn’t need medication.

          Along with reporting medical abuse when its presented.

          I live across the country and I’m proud of BCH for doing the right thing even though they knew they’d take fire from tinfoil hat conspiracy idiots like yourself for the well-being of that poor girl.

          • jholderbaum

            How do you know she didn’t need the medication? Why would Dr. Korson lie to the parents, telling them to give their daughter certain medications? You’re not making sense.

          • LoneWiseMan

            He could be wrong or duped by the mother. Her other daughter had the disease, so if this daughter had similar symptoms, it makes some sense that he’d assume she could have it too. However, he should’ve performed a biopsy to be sure, he didn’t. Humans make mistakes.

            He even admitted that he’s not sure. Christ.

          • jholderbaum

            That’s not the doctor or the mother, that’s the disease. It’s a tough nut to crack.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “So hard to nail down!”

            Except through a muscle biopsy.

  • Leo

    Boston Children’s Hospital
    300 Longwood Avenue, Boston, MA 02115
    617-355-6000 | 800-355-7944

    Let there be a deluge of inquiring phone calls…. Let them know that the country is watching.

  • Kent

    I have wondered since the beginning if there was a basis for the governments claims. There is still no evidence either way, at least none available to the public. Despite this, what amazes me is how the parents are the ones suffering and loosing their rights. There is no mention of censure against a doctor who mis diagnosed and overly medicalized a young girl. So either A) The parents were shopping doctors and getting each new doctor to do some abusive treatment. B) Had a skilled Dr. or team of Dr.s at Tuffts who mis diagnosed and abused their daughter through negligence. C) Boston Children’s, Massachusetts, and DCFS are wrong and have violated this family in an obscene way.

    • Storm Plains

      MA DCF is a nightmare. Many representatives had asked the DCF Commissioner to resign (February 15, 2014) after her botched up job with the recent 5 year old Jeremiah Oliver case (google it in) and several other children’s deaths recently. Yet, our lovely Governor Patrick still stands up with this bunch of monsters that kill children oftenly. I think they are holding onto Justina right now because they are scared that this has got national attention and they know there is a huge lawsuit and a big investigation with the Department of Justice manifesting as I write this. Also, I just cancelled my son’s appt with Boston’s Children Hospital because of this. You have to sign a paper that states if DCF takes custody while at their hospital, they have the right to do any type of experiment they want. Read this article if you don’t believe that: http://guardianlv.com/2014/02/billionaire-lawyers-campaigners-rally-to-free-justina-pelletier-video/

      • LoneWiseMan

        lol, Glen Beck is on board, you know you’re riding the Crazy Train on a one-way trip to Crazyville.

        “They’re gunna experiment on your kids!!!11111″

        Totally batshit insane. Complete delusional fear.

        • jake77

          As always, you don’t have any valid facts just hate filled blather. Guess what, you’re hate is showing and you still suck.

        • jholderbaum

          Youtube Guinea Pig Kids. Foster babies with AIDS were experimented upon in NYC. It happens all over the country but of course you wouldn’t care. There just the children of the poor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is6Dtx8bXSU

          • jholderbaum

            *They’re just the children of the poor.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Red herring. Absolutely nothing to do with this story.

            It’d be like me linking a story about DCF saving a kid from being murdered. It wouldn’t mean all DCF action is noble.

          • jholderbaum

            There’s nothing noble about DCF. If by noble you mean they are doing good things for abused kids.

          • LoneWiseMan

            So the DCF has never helped a kid before?

            I hope you didn’t already have kids and pass down your genes.

          • jholderbaum

            They tend to destroy the many to save one and they can’t even do a good job of saving the one most of the time. If you google foster care+death or foster care+rape, you will learn just how terrible these people can be. Of course, there are success stories but how many lives must we destroy to have one success story? The system is failing and we need to end it and replace it with something that actually helps people. You can’t help people by hurting them.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I don’t know about the “tend to destroy many to save one” notion. Once again, it’s a red herring. I’m not going to attack/defend/explain the 100,000,000 cases that go through social workers every year.

            This specific situation here is the topic of discussion. From all of the actual evidence, the mother is insane and the girl doesn’t actually have a disease.

            Of course, if you come in with a confirmation bias and have some hatred towards anything with a government label, then you’ll just look for things that support that belief, ignoring all other facts or reality.

      • asmith1234

        Storm, thanks for the new link. I’ve got a file going of documentation of the government kidnapping children around the country. Our precious children have bounties on their head where the state makes money. Usually, they pick on those that they think can’t defend themselves. Wise of you to cancel your apt with BCH. All parents need to be aware of the risk that they’re taking by going to that hospital. I do pray that it ends up being sold or going out of business. I keep wondering how many other families have been destroyed by this hospital. Do a google search for this article that the Blaze ran about the research motivation possibly being behind what instigated this case against Justina. ”

        “What We Found in a Boston Children’s Hospital Policy Manual About Research on ‘Wards of the State’”

      • asmith1234

        Storm, I just went to that link you provided! Everyone here should read it… what an encouragement and answer to prayer!

      • jholderbaum

        Experimental drugs may have been at play in Justina’s case. That’s something the parents will discover during the due diligence phase of the trial that will happen when the lawsuits start rolling out. Of course they’re going to sue. Who wouldn’t?

    • LoneWiseMan

      They have *some* evidence at least. The parents are not suffering.

      Hospitals generally aren’t filled with idiots, so if they feared for the child’s welfare to the point of being forced to report it, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON that is aware of the situation agrees, then chances are they made the right call.

      We (the public) won’t know until they explain that biopsy was performed to make sure she didn’t have MD or not, etc.

      • jake77

        Now the girl is suffering. You overlook this HUGE point with every stinking comment you write. The girl is in words physical condition since BCH took her parents away from her.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Says who? The irrational parents?

          One second. I’m selling the Golden Gate Bridge. Are you interested in buying it and paying up front?

          • Jake77

            Says Tuft’s. Says the photographs. Says BCH that the child’s physical condition has deteriorated. Oh wait, lets not look at the facts. You are blinded by hate. Too bad.

          • LoneWiseMan

            She looks better now in the picture than before.

      • jholderbaum

        But hospitals are filled with mandated reporters who believe they are above the law. They have absolute power and, as you probably DON’T know, absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is happening all over the country, not just in Massachusetts. It’s human trafficking. But we all know that you care nothing about human suffering. Take another Prozac. That will help you stay numb to it all.

        • LoneWiseMan

          The original doctor had her on a SMORGASBORD of medication and he’s from a hospital, but that’s okay, right?

          That medication is okay, but not other types!

    • jholderbaum

      They took the child to see a specific doctor at BCH for Justina’s flu on the recommendation of Dr. Korson at Tufts. They were never allowed to see that doctor and not allowed to withdraw Justina as soon as the psych took over and got the child protection team involved. When Justina returns home she will continue her care at Tufts with Dr. Korson which is what the family has wanted all along.

  • Eric LePouttre

    mass dmh child services ruining another family they are rotten to the core and i have personal history with the types of agencies from massachusetts

    • LoneWiseMan

      Sure, definitely not possible the parents are insane.

      That never happens. All parents are absolutely perfect and never abuse their kids.

      • Tom B

        You sound like a freakin NUT!

        • LoneWiseMan

          Logic to a simpleton must seem that way.

          • Jake77

            True logic is not difficult. Illogic masquerading as logic is difficult to understand. You’re specialty. You clearly act out of hate – too bad.

  • smallergovtthebetter9999

    Yet another absolutely disgraceful example of how our government thinks it knows better than its people.

    Free Justina! Give her back to her parents and allow them to care for her. The separation cannot be helping.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yes, please Free Justina so she can possibly go back into the hands of her crazed mother who is giving her medication that’s not safe for a girl that more than likely doesn’t have a disease!!!111

      • jake77

        The can’t get the medication unless it is prescribed by the doctor at Tuft’s. There is no evidence that the mother is crazed except in your imagination and by those who have a vested interest in keeping the status quo. Unfortunately the one who loses is the child.

        • LoneWiseMan

          She freaked out, got angry, and wanted to leave instead of being happy that her little girl doesn’t actually have a disease.

          Yep, she’s insane as far as I’m concerned.

  • Tom B

    The poor girl went from a normal life to a nonfunctional life.These doctors and the state of Ma,should be sued!

    • LoneWiseMan

      Says the parents.

      There’s no such thing as bad parents in the world according to Tom B.

      • Tom B

        I believe the parents over the state any day.I lived in the state for 30 years and the DCF is not trusted by anyone.They make it up as they go along.Lawsuit city!

        • asmith1234

          Tom, I know it can be difficult, but the best practice when dealing with trolls is to ignore them. LoneTroll’s probably paid by the hour or post to antagonize.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “He’s a troll/shill if he disagrees with me!!!”

            I’d either be a troll (which you don’t seem to know the definition of) or a paid shill. You can’t really be both. Why don’t you get your delusion in check and figure out which one you think I am, while I continue to make completely reasonable, rational, valid points regarding the entire story.

          • Tom B

            You sound like a troll for the state of Ma. or a moron.Which is it?

          • jake77

            Actually you are a troll/shill without any help from anyone else – except possibly those who pay you to hate. The reason so many people think you are a shill is that you consistently don’t make any sense. You pick disassociated data, ignore important facts and add to that assumptions and spread hate. So this all adds up to irrational comments and people get curious how someone such as yourself could be so wrong and so hateful all on your own. Hence the assumption that you are paid to do so. You do your best to keep people from looking at what is important and seeing the truth of a story. You are a hater and you may be a shill. Either way, you suck. You did yesterday, you do today and will probably continue to do so until the day you die. So be it.

          • LoneWiseMan

            You sound like a 12 year old girl trying to discuss world politics. lol

            Please keep ranting about how I’m getting paid since I disagree with you.

          • Jake77

            Well done. At least you’re consistent. You have not faltered in your ability to arrive at completely illogical conclusions based on selective data.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Sure, whatever floats your boat, but that’s just an excuse for being gullible.

          This situation has more evidence than just “they said vs gov said.”

          The parents acted irrationally and didn’t want to even hear their daughter didn’t actually have the disease. That makes them far more suspect in my eyes.

          • Jake77

            Comments like “sure, whatever floats your boat”: in your case it is a great admission that you have no fact or logic that supports your hateful position. You hate and you conveniently overlook the facts that don’t suit your hateful agenda.

          • LoneWiseMan

            No, it’s simply an acknowledgement that I can’t change his opinion, especially if you’re using emotions to guide your reasoning.

          • jake77

            “Reasoning”. So that’s what you call it.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Yes, backed up my verifiable facts and common sense.

      • Jake77

        Says the LoneJackAss. You have no logical position from which to spew your hate. So sorry your own parents beat the shit out of you when your were “growing up”. News flash your parents are not equal to all parents. Your would be well served to learn to tell the difference.

    • asmith1234

      More than sued, I believe every single one of them that was in collusion and conspired with this kidnapping be put in prison.

  • Flippin Coins

    This could be your daughter. Fall ill and never return home. On the grounds that the parents have to cooperate with the “‘providers’ and courts” I read this, im packing my bags and im leaving. Im booking my flight next month after all my stuff arrives to its destination. Screw the US. Its nothing but evil… At its core!

    • LoneWiseMan

      If she was my daughter and someone told me that she didn’t have a disease I thought she had, I’d be thrilled, not get angry and want to leave.

      But that’s because I’m not a crazy mother that’s acting irrationally.

      • Flippin Coins

        somatoform disorder is a mental disorder characterized by symptoms that suggest physical illness or injury – symptoms that cannot be explained fully. So if this is the case, how do you go from mitochondrial disease to somatoform disorder.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Her sister apparently has MD.

          Her original doctor obviously knew this so she just assumed she had it as well, without doing due diligence and performing a biopsy.

          • jake77

            “LoneWiseMan”. Indicates having a monopoly on Wisdom.
            Most unwise of you.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Judging by your posts, I do.

        • Jake77

          You don’t. The child was doing better under the care of her mother and Tuft’s doctor. If the mother had MSBP the child should have gotten better. If the doctors at BCH were right in their diagnosis and treatment of the girl she would have gotten better not worse. This is a simple and most salient point that the LoneJackAss refuses to acknowledges and has spent many hours vilifying the mother and the other individuals commenting.

      • Pat CH

        I agree. Apparently many comments indicate the public does not believe in child abuse by parents, irrespective of this case. Child abuse, including sexual abuse, physical abuse, psychological abuse are all real and have been occurring since recorded time.

        Therefore, we should drop the DCF and use the State Police or FBI?

        • LoneWiseMan

          I’m not sure they even know what they believe.

          One second they claim no one should take their kids, but if I said I beat mine, they said mine should be taken.

          It’s irrational and inconsistent emotional nonsense.

          • jake77

            It is completely rational for others to disagree with you. The problem with you is that you can’t differentiate between extreme violence being done to a child and this case wherein there is a disagreement between the doctors at BCH and Tuft’s. You act like someone who is fixated on violent child abuse and you have your own issues of some sort that you have not confronted and are attempting to vilify all parents – basically you suck.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I’m just good at recognizing crazy.

            I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

            We’ll know for sure when the hospital/court releases (if ever) the results of the biopsy they performed that proved she doesn’t have the disease.

          • jake77

            You are good at presenting crazy. You refuse to acknowledge the most salient point in this case. The girl could walk and skate as evidenced by photographs and now is in a wheel chair. BCH has it wrong and so do you.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I don’t know when that photo was taken, nor do you.

            But the nature of a psychological condition can be that erratic anyway. That’s the point.

          • jholderbaum

            The law is clear on this. Children at imminent risk of harm should be rescued. Too bad they didn’t obey the law in this case.

          • LoneWiseMan

            They did. She was at risk of a psychotic mother and the pounds of medicine she was dumping down the poor girl’s throat every month.

        • Flippin Coins

          Well a quick google search of “Department of Children and Families” Makes me think the DCF is the one abusing kids compared to a search of “Lou” or “Linda Pelletier” I think its clear who is abusing the children.

        • jholderbaum

          Sadly, DCF is one of the worst abusers of children, not just in the state of Massachusetts, but in every state in the country. You are simply not paying attention. It’s not that people don’t believe abuse exists. Only a brain dead person would have missed the last 40 years of anti-abuse propaganda. I say propaganda because while child protection’s PR people were busy encouraging all of us to turn our neighbors in they neglected to tell us that the kids taken by child protection are at greater risk of being sexually abused in foster care. They neglected to point out to us the stories about innocent parents getting caught up in the system. They neglected to tell us that children were being brutalized and murdered in foster care. That’s a lot of neglect and abuse for an agency entrusted to protect children. I’d say the states have proven themselves to be as abusive as the parents they take children from.

      • Jake77

        You are way off base. you are as wrong today as you were yesterday. You keep running this crap about the mother acting irrationally. Who are you to make that adjudication? Under the mother’s and the child’s regular doctor’s care the child could walk and now she can’t. Time and time again you overlook the most important fact. The child was doing better before BCH took her from the parents. Do you get paid to spend your time writing your irrational crap or is it your basic purpose to support the idea that all parents are horrible violent child abusers? That has consistently been your position and you have no rational basis in fact for holding that position.

        • LoneWiseMan

          “The child was doing better before BCH took her from the parents.”

          No she wasn’t. That’s what her mother said, not reality.

          • jake77

            That’s what Tuft’s says. That’s what the photographs indicate. You are continuing to forward your hateful agenda by bending the truth.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I’m sorry the truth hurts.

          • jholderbaum

            The child was walking and figure skating. You don’t care much for children and families do you?

          • LoneWiseMan

            No she wasn’t.

            She was barely able to eat and walk, hence the long trip to BCH.

      • http://kustomdesigner.com/ michael h

        Your either a troll or an incredible stupid person, pick one.

        • Jake77

          Most likely he simply hates. Rationality is not possible from a condition of hate. A person stuck in hate only sees his own viewpoint and only sees those facts that support his position – hence the name “LoneWiseMan”. No truly wise person would chose that moniker – a hater would though.

        • Jake77

          No truly Wise man would call himself, LoneWiseMan. This particular hater thinks he already knows it all so true wisdom is beyond his reach.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Says an idiot.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Or simply smarter than you.

      • jholderbaum

        Perhaps you put more trust in psychology than you do science.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Nope. If her first doctor actually did his job and performed a biopsy to be sure, I’d be on his side.

          He didn’t do his job, he let the psycho mother get in the way and influence his decision making.

          He even wrote about the mother in his notes. lol

    • asmith1234

      Flippin Coins, you’re not alone in wanting to get out prior to the iron curtain going up. It appears to me that we’ve traded places with Russia of history past. Read a short time back that there’s more Americans leaving the country, now, and giving up their citizenship as never before. The funny part about the article was it was about the IRS wanting to track Americans all around the globe so they could extort tax money. The even funnier part was that the IRS thugs were even trying to track down people that didn’t even know they had dual citizenship as would be the case with foreign travelers that gave birth here and then went back home after their vacation.

    • Tom223

      As goes America as goes the world. The US used to be a beacon of freedom and liberty. If it goes the rest of the world will follow. The only solution is to stay and fix the problem as it will ultimately follow you. Freedom must be fought for it is not given by those in power.

      • Flippin Coins

        :( Your right. What you just said is some of the realist stuff i have EVER heard in my life, and its extremely awakening. Because if i were to depart for another country, that would only be to cower just for some extra time. If i met you, i would shake your hand for a long time. Your last sentence, is of paramount epicness. It should be quoted and plagued in the worlds most renowned museums. “Freedom must be fought for it is not given by those in power.” -Tom223

  • Danielle DeLucca

    I am so confused. What the heck is going on here?!?

    • LoneWiseMan

      Psychotic mother insisting her daughter is diseased.

      • jholderbaum

        Doctor diagnosed her with Mito, not Mom.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Yep, and doctors make mistakes all the time, which is why intelligent people get second opinions.

          Except of course when you’re an insane, psychopathic mother, you refuse anything that doesn’t align with your “self-educated” beliefs.

  • http://kustomdesigner.com/ michael h

    If this were my kid I would go in that hospital guns blazing and take her out of Rockefeller care then leave this shithole of a country. Where did Americas backbone go?

    • Tom223

      How to cook a frog. The communists infiltrated the Democrat party starting many decades ago. Look at the communist manifesto – it has been the Democrat position for long enough to enslave a nation. Unfortunately the Republicans have long since jumped on the wagon and are playing the game as well. The state is everything and the individual is nothing. Unfortunately there is nowhere to run. If America falls so does freedom.

    • Tom223

      My grandfather would have taken up the task of forceful removal so my father could stay out of jail and keep his job and custody. What BCH and the state have been doing is criminal.

    • LoneWiseMan

      You’re assuming that her parents are just like you. That’s a fallacy. You might not be completely insane like her current parents.

      With all of the facts in hand, it’s highly likely that the parents are crazy.

      What healthy, normal parent wouldn’t be happy hearing that their little girl doesn’t have a disease from a highly respectable organization?

      No, instead they got angry and wanted to leave, as well as continue to give her medication that’s not healthy for a girl who doesn’t have the disease.

  • Flippin Coins

    After a quick Google search of “Lonewiseman” you will see the true nature of this douche. If you see this guys stuff click the little spam flag in the right corner.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Derp.

      If you click “Ben Swann Truth in Media” or my profile name, you can see all of my posts, all of which are here on BenSwann.com

      Congratulations, you secret agent, you!

      • Flippin Coins

        Im a secret agent now… lol, man ill tell ya…

  • Gilly Harvey

    They should actually test her for Fibromyalgia – that seems more of a reality than Conversion Disorder. Poor kid.. :( It sounds as though the medical staff are taking the easy way out and labelling her with a mental illness instead of doing the groundwork and finding out what is actually wrong with her.

    • LoneWiseMan

      They should test for fibromyalgia?

      Considering that’s a made-up condition by fat, middle-aged, lazy women looking for pain killers, they don’t really need to “test” for it, not that they can anyway, because there’s absolutely no science behind it. Its not provable in the slightest.

    • Pat CH

      Fibromyalgia is another subjective test. The testing, hospitalizations should stop. It appears he has “sick Patient Syndrome” and is receiving secondary gain from these tests

    • jholderbaum

      The groundwork was already laid by Dr. Korson, Chief, Metabolism Service; Director, Metabolic Disorders Clinic; Associate Professor, Tufts University School of Medicine. BCH refused to take it seriously in favor of the hunch of a psychologist. Because existentialism and philosophy trump science and reason in this case.

      • LoneWiseMan

        Nonsense. Whole teams of doctors were examining her and every condition she allegedly had. They all came to the conclusion they weren’t real. The psychologist was the one who broke it to the mother, who in return started acting insane.

        • jholderbaum

          Maybe she was showing human emotion. You know how dangerous that can appear to a psychologist. God forbid anyone should ever show human emotion.

          • LoneWiseMan

            A *good* mother would’ve been happy her little girl wasn’t diseased.

            Instead, she turned her crazy switch on.

  • cannotsay
    • LoneWiseMan

      I doubt the FB page is going to be anything but the most biased view possible in favor of the parents.

      Why read it?

      • cannotsay

        Instead of throwing a “blanket dismissal” I encourage you to read that post -which yours truly wrote-, that includes references to highly credentialed scientists and publications, and then come back to tell me what is exactly that you disagree with. Then we might have an intelligent conversation.

        • LoneWiseMan

          What? An intelligent conversation would start with: “why bother reading all of that nonsense that isn’t directly related to this specific case?”

          A facebook page created FOR her parents/”cause” is hardly objective.

          It would be like reading a PR release from DCF and taking it at its word.

          • cannotsay

            As I said, that particular post was written by yours truly. The main argument comes from Tom Insel, the director of the National Institute of Mental Health who last year caused a stir when he said,

            http://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/2013/transforming-diagnosis.shtml

            “While DSM has been described as a “Bible” for the field, it is, at best,
            a dictionary, creating a set of labels and defining each. The strength
            of each of the editions of DSM has been “reliability” – each edition has
            ensured that clinicians use the same terms in the same ways. The
            weakness is its lack of validity. Unlike our definitions of ischemic
            heart disease, lymphoma, or AIDS, the DSM diagnoses are based on a
            consensus about clusters of clinical symptoms, not any objective
            laboratory measure. In the rest of medicine, this would be equivalent to
            creating diagnostic systems based on the nature of chest pain or the
            quality of fever.”

          • Jake77

            Your solution then would be to only view content that was against the parents. You cannot discover truth without looking at all the data.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Nah, I want the BCH to perform a muscle biopsy and tell us the results, but unfortunately that’s confidential information.

      • Jake77

        A wise man would not assume he knows without first looking – you on the other hand live by this practice. Maybe you don’t know the meaning of the word “wise”. That would explain a lot.

        • LoneWiseMan

          The page is called “Free Justine”

          It’s called having a brain. What are the odds the page is objective or slanted against the parents? lol

          Idiot.

  • cannotsay
    • LoneWiseMan

      I don’t know where that writer got all of her information, but why wasn’t a muscle biopsy performed to actually find out if she in fact did or did not have a mitochondrial disease.

      Why is there even a debate over “the two medical professionals” opinions?

      It’s testable, for crying out loud.

      • cannotsay

        Did you know, based on information that DCF/BCH, leaked to The Boston Globe, that Justina’s primary doctor at Tufts WAS REFUSED to be part of the medical care of Justina after DCF took custody. Please read this account at the Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cristy-balcells/first-do-no-harm-how-we-f_b_4843997.html

        • LoneWiseMan

          I don’t care about “leaked information” that’s not verifiable.

          Her original doctor should have her medical license brought into question.

          Why didn’t he perform a muscle biopsy instead of just “assuming” she has a mitochondrial disease?

          It’s a simple question.

          • cannotsay

            It seems you know little about “battles of egos” that are very common among highly credentialed individuals. This is Justina’s Tufts doctor https://www.floatinghospital.org/PhysicianDirectory/Mark-Korson.aspx . Do you know what he did before going to lead Tufts’ Metabolism Service? Well. he was in charge of the same type of medical research/service at Boston’s Children Hospital.

            The way I see it is that you are so desperate to believe that there is “nothing wrong” with DCF/BCH collusion that at this point you are willing to believe in unicorns as long as that allows you to blame the family. Very “blame the victim” type of mindset that unfortunately is very common among liberals.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Are you an idiot?

            I don’t care if he was the doctor to Barack Obama, George Bush, or the the past 5 Presidents.

            Why wasn’t a muscle biopsy performed to actually CONFIRM she had the disease?

            p.s. I hate liberals. I also hate sensationalist nutjobs.

          • cannotsay

            Again, because as Allen Frances, the chairman of the DSM-IV task force, already warned in 2012 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-frances/mislabeling-medical-illne_b_2265198.html

            Many readers of my previous blog listing the 10 worst suggestions in DSM 5 were shocked that I failed to mention an 11th dangerous mistake — that DSM-5 will harm people who are medically ill by mislabeling their medical problems as mental disorder. They are absolutely right. I apologize for my previous failure to attend to this danger and hope it is not now too late to influence the process.

            Adding to the woes of the medically ill could be one of the biggest problems caused by DSM-5. It will do this in two ways: 1) by encouraging a quick jump to the erroneous conclusion that someone’s physical symptoms are ‘all in the head’; and 2) by mislabeling as mental disorders what are really just the normal emotional reactions that people understandably have in response to a medical illness.

            UK health advocate, Suzy Chapman, has closely monitored every step in the development of DSM-5. Her website is the best available resource for finding just about everything you need to know about DSM-5 and ICD-11. Ms Chapman sent me a troubling email that summarizes where DSM-5 has gone wrong and the many harmful consequences that will follow. More details are available at: ‘Somatic Symptom Disorder could capture millions more under mental health diagnosis’ (http://wp.me/pKrrB-29B )

            Ms Chapman writes:

            …The DSM-5 Somatic Symptom Disorders Work Group is planning to eliminate several little used DSM-IV Somatoform Disorders and replace them instead with an extremely broad new category that is likely to be wildly overused (‘Somatic Symptom Disorder’ — SSD).

            A person will meet the criteria for SSD by reporting just one bodily symptom that is distressing and/or disruptive to daily life and having just one of the following three reactions to it that persist for at least six months: 1) ‘disproportionate’ thoughts about the seriousness of their symptom(s); or 2) a high level of anxiety about their health; or, 3) devoting excessive time and energy to symptoms or health concerns.

            Unless DSM-5 changes these incredibly over inclusive criteria, it will greatly increase the rates of diagnosis of mental disorders in the medically ill — whether they have established diseases (like diabetes, coronary disease or cancer) or have unexplained medical conditions that so far have presented with somatic symptoms of unclear etiology.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Wow, a self-professed writer, and yet you can’t do anything except copy/paste massive walls of text that are separate issues.

            Avoiding the question several times.

            Are you claiming that there no such thing as somatoform disorders?

          • cannotsay

            I am “copy/pasting” SCIENTISTS, you know, science is something that is obviously alien to you. Science only cares about facts and objectivity, not “style”. The facts of this case are clear,

            - There are two competing diagnoses, one physical, one psychological by two well respected doctors who work at two well respected institutions. Dr Korson HAS TESTIFIED in favor of the family.

            - The diagnosis that BCH wants to assign Justina is “psychological” which, by its very nature, as Tom Insel says, it is not scientifically valid, all based on “opinion”.

            - BCH/DCF have a long history, that goes beyond this case, of colluding to force BCH’s desires on parents.

            - Allen Frances, the chairman of the DSM-IV task force, already predicted that many cases like Justina’s were likely with the expanded definitions in the DSM.

            And yet, you prefer to believe in unicorns!!

          • LoneWiseMan

            Yep. You’re brain dead.

            I’ll ask again. This is an actual science question, so please try to focus:

            Why didn’t the first doctor perform a muscle biopsy to actually confirm she has the disease?

          • cannotsay

            This an actual scientific answer for you, because, based on the leaked info, Mark Korson didn’t deem it necessary to reach the diagnosis. From what I know it is a pretty invasive procedure that it only done as a last resort. Given that the sister was diagnosed of the same I suppose he didn’t deem it necessary.

            But again, you are free to believe in unicorns, your choice!

          • LoneWiseMan

            Oh okay, so he didn’t deem it necessary. So he’s an idiot and should have his license revoked.

            It’s a muscle biopsy, not open-heart surgery. You’re talking about 1-2 minutes with a tiny incision.

            Gotcha.

          • cannotsay

            Again, you are now playing the card “I know better than Dr Korson”, which of course is the same card played by BCH that is costing Justina her freedom. At the end of the day, all totalitarians think alike :-). If there was any doubt of the nonsense of those who defend BCH, you just cleared it out!!

            I am happy that at least your own motivations to defame Justina and her family are clear: pure totalitarian thought.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Heaven forbid actual science be performed to conclude whether or not she has a disease.

            Gosh, we can’t do that! Best to follow the insane ramblings of her oblivious mother and keep packing medicine down her throat.

            She couldn’t eat or walk before being taken to BCH.

          • cannotsay

            I am a scientist, something that you are obviously not (based on how you argue and the questions you ask). You are just some humanities major who thinks that using the language of science is the same as knowing science. You don’t fool anyone with your “belief in unicorns”.

          • jholderbaum

            Give it up. The guy believes that snatching children for no reason other than because they can is acceptable. Don’t waste your energy on this nut job.

          • cannotsay

            I agree this guy is a nut job. Still it bothers me when amateurs take the name of science in vain :-).

          • LoneWiseMan

            Says the person lying on the internet about being/working on her PhD.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “It’s okay to give your kids medicine they don’t need!”

            Yea, that’s not abuse at all.

          • jholderbaum

            And did she need the psych meds they plied her with in Bader 5 at BCH? Because we all know that psych meds cure everything, don’t they?

          • LoneWiseMan

            I read nothing about psych meds.

            I know she was on them and much more before going to BCH though.

            After all, she was seeing a psychologist for FIVE YEARS STRAIGHT before going to BCH.

          • jholderbaum

            She was figure skating and walking before BCH got ahold of her.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Wrong.

            She was barely eating and couldn’t walk, which is why she was taken to BCH.

            You were lied to by Kristin Tate and instead of using your brain, you believed exactly what she poorly wrote.

          • jholderbaum

            You’re referring to the flu she had.

          • LoneWiseMan

            What flu stops you from eating and walking?

            They drove to another state to have a flu taken care of?

            Are you really that dumb? lol

          • jholderbaum

            When you have mito you do. She was going to BCH to be seen by one of her doctors who had transferred from Tufts to BCH. Is it all starting to make sense now?

          • LoneWiseMan

            So you’re finally admitting she was in poor health before going to BCH.

            Good for you! Baby steps and all that.

          • jholderbaum

            She had the flu.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Flu doesn’t mean you can’t walk, eat, or talk.

            She wasn’t healthy before going to BCH.

            Stop lying.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Nope. She was barely able to eat and walk, hence the long trip to BCH.

          • Jake77

            She had the flu. Potentially a deadly disease. This fact has not been disputed by BCH.

          • LoneWiseMan

            The flu was preventing her from walking and eating? No.

          • LoneWiseMan

            She couldn’t eat or walk before being taken to BCH.

          • Jake77

            Why didn’t BCH do the test?

          • LoneWiseMan

            I don’t know. It’s confidential information. Who says they didn’t?

          • jake

            Why didn’t BCH run the test?

          • LoneWiseMan

            I don’t know. It’s confidential information.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            You keep repeating this, but by your logic, it is impossible to know whether the other doctor performed a biopsy or not, simply because it is confidential information.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Correct.

            I do however know that the original doctor did not and wasn’t “sure” she even had MD.

            I also know know that her mother is crazy, which fits perfectly for what all of the doctors and the psychologist said at BCH and *every* other hospital she’s been to.

            That’s enough for me to form a well-founded rational opinion.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            I’d like to see how you can claim to “know” that the original doctor was unsure, wrong, or anything else – There were multiple doctors from Tufts medical center that believed it was best to treat her for MD, who have actually seen her, and you have not. You have no medical knowledge on the subject that is enough for you to disregard the diagnosis.

            Further still, you are agreeing with the hospital, when it is saying she has a dubious mental disorder with no science behind it – Ironic that you seem to try to put on an air of intellectual superiority, but conveniently forget that:

            A. Somatoform disorder is hardly an accepted disorder, and many experts have stated that it is a “catch all” diagnosis, and have raised concerns about its use.

            B. There were multiple specialists agreeing with the diagnosis of MD, enough to provide treatment for said disorder

            C. BCH did not allow for a second opinion on their diagnosis, which is a clear violation of the patient’s and parents rights, whatever your view of the situation.

          • LoneWiseMan

            http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

            It’s in their first doctor’s own words. Learn to read. There were not multiple doctors, just one. She had multiple doctors, only one said it was MD. The original doctor also never performed a biopsy to confirm it.

            She also had a psychologist for FIVE years prior to BCH. Shocking for such a healthy, normal child (read: mother).

            As for agreeing with the hospital about a mental disorder; it’s because everything points to it being true. Are you going to claim there’s no such thing as mental disorders now, just because the actual field of medicine isn’t as scientific as math? Please don’t be that stupid.

            A.) Haven’t you ever heard of a hypochondriac? Is that not accepted either?

            B.) No there weren’t. And every doctor that reviewed her records and symptoms said that she did NOT have all the markers of MD, which is what prompted further investigation.

            3.) They never got to that option, as the insane, unstable mother instantaneously got angry and refused as soon as she heard that her little girl didn’t have a disease.

            This is the same mother who was yelling at teams of doctors and telling them to give her feeding tubes when she was eating fine, and then demanding that they give her colon flushes.

            Let that last paragraph sink into your skull. She’s insane.

          • Jake77

            Why didn’t BCH run this test?

          • LoneWiseMan

            I don’t know if they did. Does anyone?

          • LoneWiseMan

            I don’t know. It’s confidential information. What’s to say they didn’t?

          • Jake77

            Thanks Cannotsay. Good and important references. The response from NoWisDumb was pretty predictable. The more true data and relevant facts someone interjects the more his response goes to the unimportant, irrelevant or unanswerable due to a lack of information.

          • cannotsay

            You are welcome. For a complete (but long) discussion of why this case is even worse than what it looks like at first sight, read this https://www.facebook.com/groups/freejustina/permalink/235612239896467/ .

          • Jake77

            Thanks for the reference but unfortunately I don’t use Facebook. I have little time for such. I am familiar with the DSM-5 and what an unscientific publication it is. They actually sit in a room and throw out suggestions on new mental disorders. If I recall correctly one of the disorders is “Resistance or refusal to accept a diagnosis / treatment disorder.” This book is used to justify the taking of this child. It is not science.

          • cannotsay

            No problem with not usage of FB, but basically what I say there is what you say, only documented by statements of the director of the National Institute of Mental Health, Tom Insel, and the chairman of DSM-5, David Kupfer, that indeed that is the case. Now it is not even a secret, in 2013 the top dogs of psychiatry openly admitted to the nonsense,

            - Tom Insel, director of the US National Institute of Mental Health, 2013, says that DSM labels lack scientific validity: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/2013/transforming-diagnosis.shtml

            – David Kupfer, chairman of the DSM-5 task force, replying back says that indeed, there are no biomarkers for any the DSM disorders: http://www.psych.org/File%20Library/Advocacy%20and%20Newsroom/Press%20Releases/2013%20Releases/13-33-Statement-from-DSM-Chair-David-Kupfer–MD.pdf

            – Allen Frances, chairman of the DSM-IV task force, 2013, publishes a book criticizing the medicalization of ordinary life in DSM-5 http://www.amazon.com/Saving-Normal-Out-Control-Medicalization/dp/0062229257

          • Jake77

            Thank you. It is so important that the general public know that the use of DSM – 5 is not scientific and it should not be used to trump actual medical practices based on science.

          • Jake77

            The operative word below is “hate”. This sad sack just hates. He is incapable of assimilating true data as it is perpetually twisted by his hate.
            He is so desperate to make known this fault in himself that he came up with a name that broadcasts hate for his fellow man. A truly wise man would not call himself LoneWiseMan. The truly wise man would have love for mankind an it would manifest in his treatment of all concerned. This NoWisDumb person automatically hates the parents and makes any possible twisted argument to portray them as insane.

          • jholderbaum

            Aha. Now I understand how unfamiliar with the case you are. Justina’s doctor as Tufts is Dr. Korson, Chief, Metabolism Service; Director, Metabolic Disorders Clinic; Associate Professor, Tufts University School of Medicine, not some flaky shrink. His treatment plan for Justina was successful and BCH should have never intervened.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Successful at weakening her and giving her medication she didn’t need, sure.

          • Jake77

            Next thing you will be telling us the Tuft’s doctor has MSBP as well.

          • Jake77

            Why didn’t BCH run the test?

          • LoneWiseMan

            Who says they didn’t? It’s confidential information.

          • Jake77

            So with all your blather and gotcha comments about this point. In the end you have to admit that you don’t know if BCH ran a test. You don’t know and yet you sit there spewing hate at the parents as lunatics an you don’ have a leg to stand on. You’re behavior really sucks.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I don’t know if they did, correct.

            I know however that the previous doctor didn’t and that by all information available, the mother is insane.

      • jholderbaum

        Because one of those “medical professionals” was not a medical professional at all. She was a psychologist.

        • LoneWiseMan

          The entire staff made notes about how things weren’t evident or only evident in her mother’s presence.

          Reading works. You should try it.

          • Jake77

            Why didn’t BCH run a test for MD?

          • LoneWiseMan

            No idea if they did or didn’t, as I’ve told your dumbass 10 times. It’s confidential information.

            All medical information is.

      • Jake77

        Great question.
        Why didn’t BCH run this test before contradicting Tuft’s.
        Oh I know, because they are psychiatrists and psychologists not real scientists or actual medical professionals.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Their entire staff couldn’t validate any of the child’s conditions without the mother present. lol

          The entire medical staff.

          Not just the psychologist.

          • Jake77

            Wow. Now that is really STUPID. As soon as the hospital took custody and for 9 months now they could have tested the child. Why didn’t BCH run the test for MS?

          • Jake77

            MD

          • LoneWiseMan

            We don’t know if they did or didn’t. It’s confidential, idiot.

            Medical records have to be approved to be released.

            How do you not know this? It’s common knowledge.

          • Jake77

            Exactly the point. BCH has no problem telling the world he girl has a somatic disorder and you think they would withhold other data like a negative test for MD. The truth of your lies and antisocial motivation is showing brightly.

          • LoneWiseMan

            They said it or DCF?

            I haven’t see a single public statement from BCH, just the reports form DCF and the judge.

  • LoneWiseMan

    ***”They were making the white-knuckled trip from Connecticut because
    14-year-old Justina wasn’t eating and was having trouble walking.”***

    There goes the whole “she was healthy as an ox” stupidity.

    ***”The child’s medical record usually contained references to the
    parents being highly stressed and difficult to handle. And when the
    parents in most of these cases rejected the suggestion by doctors that
    the child’s problems were more psychiatric than physical, that sparked
    the medical team’s concern, paving the way for the call to the state
    child-protection agency.”***

    More evidence of the mother/parents’ instability.

    ***”Records show that Dr. Alice Newton found much that troubled her: How Linda demanded that Justina be given a feeding tube. How Justina appeared to act more impaired when her mother was at her side. And how Linda and Lou had moved Justina around to multiple hospitals.”***

    What a shocker. Insane mother.

    • cannotsay

      “More evidence of the mother/parents’ instability.’

      This is what you want to believe (that I keep calling “unicorns”) because you don’t like the parents for some reason that only you know. Then you work backwards to “build a case” against them . This is not a scientific way of doing things my friend. Perhaps that is how humanities majors do their work, but it is not how science operates.

      • LoneWiseMan

        You know nothing of science. Please refrain from using that term. Thanks.

        • cannotsay

          As I’ve said numerous times, I am a PhD trained scientist, so I know my trade pretty well, enough to recognize an ignorant humanities major talking about “science this” “science that” but who knows absolutely nothing about the scientific method.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Oh a PhD?

            Please post your name and credentials.

            A real PhD has no reason to hide.

          • cannotsay

            A survivor of psychiatric abuse, like yours truly, has a lot to be watchful for http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/01/ny-times-invites-readers-to-a-dialogue-on-forced-treatment/#comment-19770 .

            I am not disclosing the field I got my PhD on, the university I got it from nor where I live in the US. In my twitter page I say I live in DC just to distract people.

            I have done hard scientific work. I know my trade well. It is obvious you are a softie major (in case you have any higher education at all) from some third rate school. Your reasoning is absolute nonsense.

          • Jake77

            You’re very smart not to give particulars to anti-social individuals like NoWisDumb. First you are not obligated to in anyway and it would be folly to expose such to potential stalkers or otherwise evil-intended individuals. Or better yet tell him you live in Fairbanks, Alaska. Maybe he’ll go looking for you there and that’ll keep him off line for a while.

          • LoneWiseMan

            lol.

            Any real PhD candidate would be proud of their achievements and status. It’s part of being a PhD.

            What a liar.

          • Jake77

            No person with a modicum of intelligence would give any personally identifiable information to a nut job like you.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Oblivious. PhDs have to constantly put their name out there and publish findings. Hell, their public dissertation is one the main requirements of getting their PhD.

            It’d be like a politician saying he doesn’t want to tell anyone his name.

            She doesn’t want to say anything, because she’s full of shit. She didn’t even say what field it is, as if that’s remotely identifying information. What kind of PhD candidate would say “science”?

            lol, you can disagree with me on this Justina situation, but you can’t be dumb enough to believe her, right?

          • Jake77

            If I were that person I would not give one bit of information to a psycho like you. A simple contrast and compare of her evaluation of data and resulting conclusion as compared to yours makes a very clear picture which one has their intellectual abilities in tact. “And the winner is” – Sadly not you, not by a mile.

          • LoneWiseMan

            lol, so you are that dumb.

            She claims to be a PhD in “science” on the internet, and you believe it. Wow. Oh boy.

      • asmith1234

        Cannotsay, Lone(notsowise)man is a troll that has just targeted this site. If you do a google search you’ll see that no matter what the news story is about, his purpose is to antagonize those posting. It’s hard to do, but when you respond to a troll, you’re just feeding them.

      • Jake77

        It is the way hate works. Truly a twisted mind. He seems to be dark and disturbed version of Danny DeVito’s character in Throw Mamma From the Train.

      • LoneWiseMan

        It’s what reality and a brain says.

        Fake, lying wannabe PhD “scientist.”

        • Jake77

          Unfortunately your comments are not supported by the evidence – as usual. At least you are consistently wrong.

          • LoneWiseMan

            She claimed to be a PhD, not me.

            Onus he on her, but since she’s lying, she won’t prove anything.

          • Jake77

            You have no evidence she’s lying. And it wouldn’t make a difference anyway. You would jus ridicule whatever she said her degree was in. The important point is that she has the ability to rationally process data and you do not demonstrate that ability – Too bad for you.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I don’t need evidence, she made the claim.

            Logic 101, simpleton.

    • Pat CH

      I agree LoneWiseMan:

      The first clue is pervasive, and unrelenting medical testing, which always has no result.

      Medical Abuse is hard to diagnose. The perpetrator,
      generally a female, is a “Master of Deception,” capable of fooling
      everyone in her life. Baron Von Munchausen was not a doctor, but a “Master
      of Deception.” …now named for him as “Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.” Munchausen
      Syndrome by proxy is the most common term to describe a type of child abuse
      where the primary caregiver (usually the mother), exaggerates, fabricates and
      induces symptoms of medical conditions in her child which leads to unnecessary
      and potentially dangerous medical care. The child is religiously exposed to excessive
      and unnecessary medical examinations, treatments, hospitalizations, emergency
      room visits, medications, blood tests, CAT scans, and X-RAYS. These numerous
      and inconsistent medical symptoms are presented to the child’s (victim)
      doctors, hospitals, technicians by the mother, usually a nurse or trained in
      the medical field. Medical training enables the mother to be very convincing.
      The bad news is these years and hundreds of medical tests have a severe,
      long-term impact on the child (victim). The victim becomes a “Hospital
      Hobo,” continuing to seek unnecessary medical care until a diagnosis is made
      (If ever). God bless the victims.

      • asmith1234

        There’s a number of news stories from different sources that have covered Justina’s state kidnapping. Have you read any of them, or, are you just taking the word of a troll posting here to make your assumptions? Try taking a look at the girl before the state stole her from her family and look at what they’ve done to her in this last year. Yes, Justina is a victim of the state’s tyranny and unconstitutional snatching of a child. Contrary to the toll’s story, Justina was first taken to BCH because of a bad case of the flu. Try doing more reading on this story before making comments.

        • LoneWiseMan

          She couldn’t walk and eat before going to BCH.

          • Jake77

            Had the flu.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Nope.

          • Jake77

            Yep.

      • Jake77

        MSBP is an awful condition for the victims. That said, Justina has gotten worse since her separation from her mother. Your arm-chair-diagnosis of her is unfounded and actually despicable. The state and the hospital is out of line here as are you. It doesn’t matter how much of an “expert” you are on MSBP you do the entire family a disservice passing such judgment on the mother.

        • LoneWiseMan

          No she hasn’t.

          She couldn’t walk and eat before going to BCH.

          • Jake77

            You’re being selective on which facts you chose to suit your own hateful intentions. Pretty low class act you’ve got going there.

          • LoneWiseMan
          • Jake77

            You don’t read other articles that don’ support your twisted hateful viewpoint of parents either.

          • LoneWiseMan

            No, I read them too, but like Kristin Tate’s ramblings, most aren’t actual journalists’ articles.

            They’re twisted snippets to make it seem dramatic and appeal to the lowest common denominator (you). They play on dumb peoples’ emotions, not journalistic integrity.

          • William Hinds

            You deserve some sort of Lone Voice in the Wilderness award for confronting the mindless jibbering masses who shriek and quake whenever some editorialization galvanizes their confirmation bias.

            Often times it seems that the truth can defend itself, but sometimes it does need a champion.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Haha, if only one could get paid for internet arguments!

          • Jake77

            Earlier you mentioned logic. Facts are not just facts. Logic relies on facts being presented in the correct order, and that they be present – not omitted, and that they not be altered in importance and their timing not be altered. There are many other factors involved in applying logic to facts. Facts may be facts but they alone do not make up the whole story.

          • LoneWiseMan

            That’s all fine and dandy, unless you have a confirmation bias (like you do). You WANT the result to be against psychologists/psychiatrists, even though the latter isn’t even a part of this story. You’re ignoring every single detail, fact, and common sense approach that doesn’t “confirm your bias” against the aforementioned people.

            You should know that I don’t have any faith in those fields either, but I don’t need it. The actions of the mother speak very loudly. She’s batshit insane.

        • Pat CH

          She got worse, but she remained hospitalized. True separation has not occurred. Passing judgement? No.
          Clearly the media beat me to that.

          • Jake77

            This kid is in lockdown. Sees parents 1 hour per week, supervised by several people. No parental administering of medication. If BCH is right the girl should have improved. It seems your diagnosis of the mom is that not only was she needlessly medicating the girl, her very presence is the root cause of the child’s mental illness. The only problem, it is all irrelevant since psychiatry cannot cure anything and therefore the girl is doomed in the hands of the psychiatrists..

          • Pat CH

            Jake,
            What happened to you when you were growing up? You are very aggressive, condescending and a pure bully. Is this case too close to home? Why can’t you be an adult here?

      • jholderbaum

        Munchausen is a fictitious disorder and should never be confused with the behavior of a frightened and concerned mother. A little compassion goes a long way.

        • Jake77

          Munchausen may be fictitious – psychiatry is not a science – but I have seen first hand the type of behavior described. It’s very odd and hard to explain. True insanity is.
          Isn’t it great how a concerned mother or father is mentally unstable and yet the parent who just sits there almost indifferent to the plight of their child is treated as sane. I would expect a loving parent to get excited and be passionate about the well being of their child and treatment, that’s true sanity.

        • LoneWiseMan

          So does a lot of ignorance, as evidence by your intellect and posts.

          • Jake77

            Unfortunately your comments and reality never travel on the same road.

        • Pat CH

          Munchausen is a Factitious Syndrome, not fictitious.
          I think that’s what you mean. (I hope) Pretty soon this thread will try to debate the existence of other forms of child abuse like sexual abuse, physical abuse and mental abuse…..all are facts….and sick, but they are all real sadly enough

          • Jake77

            The parents were following the advice from their doctors at Tuft’s. Child abuse has not remotely been established in this story.

          • jholderbaum

            No one will debate real child abuse. People will debate the motives of child protection because child protection has a proven track record of miserable failure. 40 years of failure. If you look at child protection from the outside you see what they want you to see. Unicorns and rainbows and their mission of loving and saving the unfortunate. If you look at child protection from the inside you’ll see a trail of destruction, sadism, murder, rape, drugging … a horrific history of brutality. It’s a criminal enterprise and more and more people understand that now.

      • LoneWiseMan

        Yep.

    • jholderbaum

      Hopefully you are not in a helping profession that allows you near children and families. Your bias will only deter you from helping those in need.

      • Jake77

        No not likely. This ass conveniently ignores the most salient and important facts and throws in irrelevant and non sequitur exaggerations. He hates parents and freedom. Also no truly wise man would call himself LoneWiseMan. He’s a hater who probably lives in his mom’s basement – Think the movie- Throw Mamma From the Train.

      • LoneWiseMan

        I’m not an insane mother who insists on pseudoscience and colon flushes to keep my kid diseased/unhealthy.

    • Jake77

      She had the flu. So there goes any connection between your assertion and reality. You are twisting the truth. There could be several reasons for this. Maybe you are clinically anti-social. Maybe you work for the psychiatric industry. Maybe you are just a bit insane. Whatever it is, it’s not good. Too bad, So sad.

      • LoneWiseMan

        She could barely eat and walk.

        Had nothing to do with just the flu. You were lied to by Kristin Tate and you swallowed it whole without thinking for yourself.

        • Jake77

          News flash. There are other news articles on this subject. I suppose next you will be letting everyone know how disreputable any news source is that doesn’t agree with your twisted logic and reality. Your tactics are getting quite old and worn

          • LoneWiseMan

            There’s one that’s quite informed, objective, and cited:
            http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

            People like Kristin Tate just twist and manipulate the story around to fit whatever sensationalist agenda they’re pushing.

          • Jake77

            Holy C….. I had not read that globe article before. I thought you were a stupid ass before well now I really think so. You think a psychologist is qualified to tell a Tuft’s medical doctor that he is wrong and it is a Psychiatric problem that conveniently she just happens to have written a report on pure BS. You have also taken quotes out of the Globe article that are general remarks regarding a claimed “type” of parent issue. You also claimed that the mother was a lunatic because she refuse a second opinion when according to the Globe they wouldn’t let her have one. The curtain has been drawn and you are exposed. Youre a hater through and through. You have serious issues with parents and child abuse and should get some professional help.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Read it again, you failed.

          • Jake77

            Not even close ass. You can bend and twist the truth all you want. You are taking the side of a psychologist over a medical doctor. Big mistake. You misquote and misapply data. You lie and lie and lie again.

          • LoneWiseMan

            An entire team and hospital of special doctors AND a psychologists over a doctor who didn’t even perform a biopsy, yes.

          • Jake77

            BCH didn’t run a biopsy. Before you claim confidentiality it doesn’t wash. They have given out plenty of other information about her treatment. You are just a hater and twist the facts against the parents. So Sad.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Link me to where they didn’t do the biopsy?

            Heck, you don’t even have to. Once a medical professional eliminates all of the fake symptoms when the mother isn’t present, performing a biopsy would be pointless.

          • Jake7

            Oh so now it would be pointless. It would be the most important test to run. You are a clown.

          • LoneWiseMan

            You missed the point as I was expecting, unfortunately.

            I’m saying she doesn’t actually have any symptoms of the disease, so why would they check? They aren’t checking for HIV or breast cancer either.

            For covering their ass purposes only, they should do the biopsy if they haven’t already.

          • asmith1234

            Jake77, Lone(notsowise)man targets any story that’s published on Ben Swann and antagonizes.

          • Jake77

            Agreed. I probably wouldn’t bother but I don’t like seeing him attacking people with valid viewpoints. Which by the way is about 98% of the people here. Only about 2% agree with this guy.

          • asmith1234

            Jake77, I doubt if it’s anywhere near 98%. Trolls will make up dual identities and then post to make it seem like there’s more. My guess is that t….(something) might be real, but I think that’s the total (2) of the pro-government stealing jerks commenting. I don’t know the total of all the individuals commenting, so can’t do the math for a percentage, but figure it’s only at 2 total. I seriously do figure the troll is on a payroll. Have you seen this article: “Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online”?

            http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/

        • carmenta

          For absolutely sure, just by comparing the photographic evidence, Justina is certainly NOT thriving in the dubious care of DCFS. That alone should alert you that whatever the state is doing, is NOT good for the child. On what evidence do you base you assertion that Justina was NOT suffering from the flu? You, sir, are going to look awfully stupid when the truth comes out about this case.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “They were making the white-knuckled trip from Connecticut because 14-year-old Justina wasn’t eating and was having trouble walking.”

            Aka, her health was very, very poor, not simply “just had the flu.”

          • carmenta

            If you have never had (or witnessed) a severe case of the flu, such as commonly occurs when a compromised individual contracts it, you may not be aware of just how debilitating it can be. What is undeniable is that Justina’s health and well-being has significant degraded since DCFS kidnapped her from her parents. The flu can be exceptionally dangerous for those with pre-existing health conditions. You really are going to look exceptionally dim when the truth is revealed.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “What is undeniable is that Justina’s health and well-being has significant degraded since DCFS kidnapped her from her parents.”

            No it didn’t. Simply saying it doesn’t make it true.

          • carmenta

            Photographic evidence exists, troll. And has been published.

          • LoneWiseMan

            http://benswann.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Screenshot-2014-02-28-at-3.44.17-PM.png

            She looks good. Bad picture with her mouth open, but looks healthier than her previous pictures. Full color, not underweight.

            Where is your proof? What the insane mother said? lol

          • Jake77

            Wow. You really are twisted.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Emotional.

          • asmith1234

            Carmenta, the ‘white-knuckled’ thing is just more deceiving out of Lone(notsowise)man. Where the ‘white-knuckled’ came from was from the Boston Globe article
            http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

            There is a lot of info in that article, like in just the last 18 months, BHC has stolen other children in like manner. It’s so common a practice for BHC, that they’ve even got a name for it, “parent-ectomy” Anyway, back to Lone(notsowise)man’s deliberate deception in these comments. The ‘white-knuckled’ came from the blizzard/snow storm that they traveled in to get to the hospital. From the Boston Globe article:

            “They headed for Boston Children’s Hospital, on the advice of one of the girl’s doctors. A crippling storm had dumped 3 feet of snow on parts of New England, and every time the ambulance began to fishtail, Pelletier gasped.”

            “They were making the white-knuckled trip from Connecticut because 14-year-old Justina wasn’t eating and was having trouble walking. Just six weeks earlier, the girl had drawn applause at a holiday ice-skating show near her home in West Hartford, performing spins, spirals, and waltz jumps.”
            Lone(notsowise)man, is nothing but a liar and deceiver.

      • asmith1234

        Twisted is right! When I pulled up the article http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

        I cracked up over how Lone(notsowise)man selectively edited the article to show what he wanted to. Here’s what Lone(notsowise)man neglected to add:

        **** “They headed for Boston Children’s Hospital, on the advice of one of the girl’s doctors. A crippling storm had dumped 3 feet of snow on parts of New England, and every time the ambulance began to fishtail, Pelletier gasped.

        They were making the white-knuckled trip from Connecticut because 14-year-old Justina wasn’t eating and was having trouble walking. Just six weeks earlier, the girl had drawn applause at a holiday ice-skating show near her home in West Hartford, performing spins, spirals, and waltz jumps.”

        Now, here’s the confirmation of my concern that Justina isn’t the 1st child stolen by these state kidnappers. There have been a total of 5 children stolen by BCH in just the last 18 months! They do it so often that BCH has even penned a term of “parent-ectomy” Arrogant b*st*rds!

        There’s a lot of info in this article. What’s really clear, is that BCH likes to pick on educated parents that don’t fall down and worship the doctors and staff at BCH. They’ve got a Nazi mentality of arrogance that if you don’t bow down to them, they’ll show you who has the power. Sheesh, I would hope that all parents in that area get the news that this hospital is NOT a safe place for families and you’re taking a gamble with your child’s life should you go to that hospital. From the article:

        “He assumed it was their right as Justina’s parents to remove their daughter and take her to the hospital of their choice. But behind the scenes, Children’s had contacted the state’s child protection agency to discuss filing “medical child abuse” charges, as doctors grew suspicious that the parents were harming Justina by interfering with her medical care and pushing for unnecessary treatments.”

        “Doctors disagree all the time over the diagnosis and treatment of patients, but Justina’s story reveals a new and remarkably contentious frontier in pediatric medicine. A difference of opinion among doctors at separate Boston hospitals escalated with stunning speed. Just a few days after Justina had arrived at Children’s on Sunday, Feb. 10, doctors were urging state child-protection officials to take emergency custody of the girl from her parents so that Justina would remain safe and get the care the hospital’s team recommended.”

        “These cases are rare, but not as rare as one might think. In just the last 18 months, Children’s — which given its reputation attracts many of the toughest cases from across the Northeast — has been involved in at least five cases where a disputed medical diagnosis led to parents either losing custody or being threatened with that extreme measure. Similar custody fights have occurred on occasion at other pediatric hospitals around the country.”

        It happens often enough that the pediatrician who until recently ran the child protection teams at both Children’s and Massachusetts General Hospital said she and others in her field have a name for this aggressive legal-medical maneuver. They call it a “parent-ectomy.”

        • Michael Jessop

          MA is a scary state.

  • jholderbaum

    Anyone who knows anything about mandated reporters and child
    protection knows how easy it is to do this to children and families. In
    this case it is clear that we are witnessing the trademark fraud and
    racketeering of child protection. They conspire to keep the child for
    as long as possible, bilk the federal government of matching federal
    funding for child protection and, at the same time, the hospital bilks
    the Pelletier’s insurance company. What a racket. This child had a
    medical diagnosis that was ignored by the hospital, DCF and the court.
    They chose instead to go along with a hunch by an amateur psychologist.
    Apparently, existentialism and philosophy are valued more than science
    and reason by those at BCH, DCF and the court. Very scary. Clearly,
    Justina’s best interests are not important to these people. They need
    to release this child, send her home where she will be loved free the
    family so they can resume Justina’s medical treatment at Tufts and then
    they need to f-off permanently. Child protection is overrun with
    parasites, predators, perverts and pedophiles and should never be
    allowed near children and families.

    • asmith1234

      It is a racket… our children have bounties on their heads that most parents have no idea about. Most of the time the state kidnappers pick on those that are the least among us able to defend themselves.

      • jholderbaum

        Agreed. I call it harvesting the children of the poor for profit. There are laws against this but it’s only gotten worse since it began 40 years ago.

  • asmith1234

    I wanted to post the following article and link for the sake of so many commenting on here that are concerned and worried about Justina. The article is a source of encouragement. Thanks to one of the commenters, here, they shared the link, but I was concerned people wouldn’t see it as it’s buried in the comments.”Billionaire, Lawyers, Campaigners Rally to Free Justina Pelletier [Video]”

    http://guardianlv.com/2014/02/billionaire-lawyers-campaigners-rally-to-free-justina-pelletier-video/

  • Robo

    The state has no right to overrule the parents. They will love their daughter more than the state ever could. The deserve to burn in hell for removing her from her family.

    • tsacian

      The state can overrule parents if they are harming their daughter (even by using the incorrect medication against doctors orders). Whether or not this is the case in this example remains to be seen. The gag order is complete BS. I cannot fathom why a gag order would be allowed in this case.

      • jaydge

        It already has been seen that the Pelletiers weren’t harming their daughter or going completely against doctors’ orders, as she was already under a treatment plan from Tufts – only the new doctor’s orders, which were opposite the Tufts plan, were the ones they rejected. Even so, parents ought always to have the right to go against doctors’ orders as long as there is credible evidence that they have their child’s best interest at heart and they are seeking justifiable alternative treatment. The gag order was put in place, no doubt, because the state knew it was wrong.

        • asmith1234

          Jaydge, tsacian is probably just attempting to defend the indefensible of his department at the DCF.

          • tsacian

            Oh I have a different opinion, must be a government plant!

          • Jake77

            One problem with discussing this or any story is that all “facts” are obtained from the news media who notoriously get it wrong. People start arguing about “facts” that are not necessarily facts. The news media is in the business of altering information to worsen. They sell news by generating chaos and upset. It must include controversy. Some stories paint the parents as villains and others make villains of BCH and he government.

          • jaydge

            And if they got the facts we’re working with wrong (all 20+ media outlets who have covered the story and interviewed related parties so far) then we’ll all be happy that it’s not what it was reported to be, and it’s sorted. But do you live that way, doubting every headline and not discussing it, since it might be wrong? Apparently not, because you’ve been resting on these “facts” for all your previous comments… I’m still waiting for you to tell me where you got your info that they were given an opportunity by BCH to receive a second opinion.

          • Jake77

            I didn’t say they were allowed a second opinion. That was tsacian. The only point for my above comment is that it is all too easy for people to get into conflict over these sort of stories. The best action one can take is to do as you seem to suggest, looking at a wide variety of sources. Unfortunately far too many news outlets just repeat what the get over the wire and don’t do their own research.
            In this case, and given the available information, I think you have probably won the prize for the most rational commentary on this news story.
            I tend to write much more than I should on this sort of article because I get irritated when someone makes a sensible statement and they get attacked by an anti-social clown like the LonesomeWiseMan. He spreads lies and hate against the parents in this story and this annoys me – which is probably his real motivation.

        • tsacian

          But the new doctor ruled out the mitochondria disease. Whether or not they were prudent in this decision is another argument. If I felt they acting contrary to my original doctors orders, i would ask for a 2nd opinion and probably speak to my first doctor. This story is completely leaving out whether Tufts stands behind their original diagnosis. If they are, then I am in complete agreement with you. If they are not, then I agree with the state taking the kid away from crappy parents who want to pretend their daughter doesn’t have mental disorder and drugging her unnecessarily. We don’t have this information yet.

          >Even so, parents ought always to have the right to go against doctors’
          orders as long as there is credible evidence that they have their
          child’s best interest at heart

          Actually no. You cannot refuse to treat your daughters illness (lets assume her illness is that she is bleeding out), because you believe it is in her best interest. We all remember the case where parents thought all medication was bad and refused to treat their childs illness and DCF took the child away. They had the childs interests at heart, but were dead wrong as far a science goes.

          >The gag order was put in place, no doubt, because the state knew it was wrong.

          That seems to be the case usually. But, we don’t have evidence of this. It could be that the parents were attempting to slander the hospital after making a competent diagnosis and talking it over with her first doctors. We Dont Know.

          • jaydge

            Actually, We do know. We know that Justina’s parents never got the opportunity to ask for a second opinion or to transfer their daughter back to Tufts or another hospital of their choice. They were never allowed to even see their daughter, let alone talk things over with the first doctors. So whether Tufts continued to stand on their original diagnosis is irrelevant to the fact that Justina’s parents’ rights were in fact violated.

            You quoted only half my sentence; I also said “and they are seeking justifiable alternative treatment.” That’s different from simply not treating an illness at all. My point is that parents who obviously are making their best attempt to navigate conflicting diagnoses (as happens often) should not be able to be derailed by a single arrogant doctor and his cohorts, as happened here, and considered child abusers.

            Finally – who really knows what is “dead wrong as far as science goes” – when you have clearly seen two conflicting diagnoses, and not to mention that scientific consensus itself is often dead wrong, as evidenced by numerous developments and discoveries that nullify previous theories.

            I see an underlying difference in philosophy between you and I: You believe that the state should have final say about a person’s life, even forcing medical treatments upon someone who just wants to die naturally for example. I believe that person and his or her own family should have final say.

          • tsacian

            Actually that isn’t true. They were given an opportunity to receive a 2nd opinion and the parents blew up on the medical staff and told them that justina would continue her, now defunct, treatment scheme.

          • Jake77

            The article in the Boston Globe states that BCH would not allow the parents go get a second opinion. Furthermore, the BCH opinion was a second opinion and the government in this case is enforcing this second opinion. You call it defunct, but that is only by BCH and government edict.

          • jaydge

            Absolutely right Jake77, I was about to point out the same thing. tsacian, where are you getting your info that they were given an opportunity by BCH to receive a second opinion?

          • asmith1234

            Bravo! In your last paragraph, you summed it up perfectly. Thank you!

          • Gregg Braddoch

            If you follow the story on this site, there is one article that mentions that the Doctor at Tufts stands by his diagnosis.

            It is further important to note, that in order for a disease of this type to be diagnosed, it would require a test of Justina’s DNA by a 3rd party testing facility, because it is a genetic disease.

            This of course, as jaydge says is irrelevant, because the parents DO have the right to get a second opinion from a doctor of their choosing.

    • Schaefersghost

      Follow the money… Billions annually in the case of CPS related child exploitation bureaucracy. And to top it off, parents are billed for their own children’s care, so where does all the federal money go? You’d be surprised. And maybe it will explain why more than a few spread propaganda favoring CPS. How do you like the way our tax dollars are put to work?

      For more info, search for the comments that Senator Nancy Schaefer wrote before taking a bullet in the back.

  • LoneDoucheDetector

    LonePseudoIntellectual you type like a twat. Stop that.

    • Jake77

      Funny.

    • LoneWiseMan

      You created an account to spew some rage.

      lol

      • Jake77

        Not rage. Just good and appropriate humor about a douche.

    • asmith1234

      Just a heads up, Lone(notsowise)man is a troll. He’s targeted this site so that with any story, he posts to antagonize the commenters.

  • cjkw67

    They’d have to take me out in a body bag if they tried this shit with my kid!

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yea, how dare they care about the welfare of a kid being bombarded with medication she doesn’t need.

      Those scumbags!!!

      • Jake77

        They care about their reputation and the stupid theory of the psychologist who got this ball rolling. She is a self proclaimed expert on the subject, just like you, evidenced by a paper she wrote on the subject. So we have a psychologist stating that a Tuft’s medical doctor doesn’t know medicine and she as a non medical person knows better. Quit being an ass.

        • LoneWiseMan

          The doctors brought the psychologist in, so they already knew, just wanted a specialist.

          You should learn to read some time. It’s quite useful.

          • Jake77

            That won’t work either. I read the Globe article you sited and you twisted the truth all over the place to antagonize the people on this page who had parents who loved them. So sorry for you being trapped in so much hate. To bad Psychiatry and psychology can’t cure anything – you need help.

          • LoneWiseMan

            lol.

            The most respected, most informed, and the most cited source “twisted everything!”

            Right.

          • Jake77

            Are you referring to the LoneWiseMan as being the “most respected, most informed? In which universe? I said you “twisted the truth all over the place.” You are a fool engaging in sophistry – you don’t seek truth but rather seek to keep others from communicating the truth or discovering it. You’ve made the mistake of believing your own myth.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Derr… “I read the Globe article you sited”

            First off, it’s cited, not sited.

            Secondly, it’s clear to anyone with an IQ over that of a dog that I was referring to the “source” as Boston Globe, not myself, as I never even mentioned myself.

          • Jake77

            Well, that goes back to the earlier point. You cherry picked and quoted the Globe article out of context to support your unfounded hatful remarks about the mother. The Globe article does not support your position. Sane people can see that. You on the other hand seem to be the only one with your twisted viewpoint, save the self proclaimed expert on MSBP expert who is the only one who has remotely agreed with anything you’ve said.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Didn’t cherry-pick anything. I’m sorry facts are getting in the way of your confirmation bias.

          • Jake77

            Sure you did. It’s what you do.

          • Schaefersghost

            There’s a report concerning the drugging of children and what CPS does:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztEqMounuRU
            What do you think about it?

      • Gregg Braddoch

        I’m pretty sure that Tufts Medical Center would not have approved a diagnosis of mitochondrial disease without a DNA test. Are you saying that the DNA testing facility was also wrong?

        In order for the BCH to justify any of this, they would have to produce a similar DNA test that shows she DOES NOT have said condition, as it is a genetic disorder, and it is not very likely that her parents could have faked such a disorder.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Her original doctor at Tufts did NOT perform a muscle biopsy to confirm MD. He assumed since her sister apparently had MD (which at this point is in doubt too), that she could as well since some of the symptoms matched.

          It’s not her parents “faking the disorder,” it’s her mother’s actions and demeanor that give the child a psychosis in which they have all of these ailments.

          Haven’t you heard of a hypochondriac for example?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            ” it’s her mother’s actions and demeanor that give the child a psychosis in which they have all of these ailments”

            You have no data to prove said hypothesis, this is conjecture. Further still, you cannot know that the first daughter did not have a biopsy which may be why they didn’t do a second one, considering that the disease is genetic.

            MD is an actual disorder, and I’ve yet to see any of your comments showing where Tufts did not perform a biopsy. Further still, somataform disorder is a controversial diagnosis, and not backed up by science of any kind at this current point in time.

            You are forgetting Occam’s razor: You are accepting as fact a story which includes a dubious mental disease, and a team of doctors from Tufts medical center (some of which were employed by BCH) being wrong, which is making a LOT more assumptions than that a hospital and the state abusing the rights of this family. (Government has a great and long history of doing so, and not a lot of positive history in helping people)

            And I personally don’t care what you have to say, there is no justification for preventing a second opinion, for taking children from their parents over a disagreement with other health professionals – this happens all the time. Statistics don’t lie: Children do better with their parents than in the hands of the state, period – this is established fact. Death is much more likely for children under state care, along with many other forms of abuse and harm.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I typed out a big response, and it didn’t go through.

            Quick points:
            You have no idea either, only I’m relying off of reliable sources and I don’t have a confirmation bias.

            http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

            Tufts did NOT perform a biopsy. The original doctor wasn’t sure.

            Somatoform disorder may fall under the category of psychology which isn’t a science field like math, but still has a wealth of information regarding the infinitely complex human mind and its conditions.

            They never refused a second opinion. They didn’t get to that point. As soon as they told the mother that her little girl didn’t have the disease after all so they recommend she stop giving her that medication (which is a ton), the mother got angry and wanted to leave.

            Statistics don’t like, correct. Children do better with families, correct. Well, wait, no they don’t. Children do better in HEALTHY families. There, fixed. The statistic you’re using is comparing foster children (who already got to that terrible breaking point) with healthy children that remain within their healthy families. Completely dishonest and misuse of a statistic.

            p.s. Keep you responses more concise. Everything you posted I responded to already.

          • Jake77

            If BCH wanted to contradict the earlier diagnosis they should have done a DNA test themselves. They didn’t and all the blather you generate won’t hide that fact. You’ve been attacking the mother with little actual data and mostly conjecture from you and others.

          • LoneWiseMan

            They didn’t?

            Link me. I want to see where they didn’t actually do it.

            I’ll wait.

          • joeymom

            Actually, yes, they did. Your article notes that the original doctor was not consulted, and that efforts to include other hospitals were blocked by BCH. It’s in Part Two.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “Actually, yes, they did”

            Yes they did what? Learn to communicate. It’s not hard.

            Yes they performed a biopsy on Justina? No, no they didn’t.

          • joeymom

            Again, my apologies that you are not able to follow a commentary board thread. My “yes they did” was in response to you own statement, “They never refused a second opinion.” My follow-up, noting the original doctor was not consulted, would clarify that I was referring to this part of your post. What you say directly contradicts the article you link to as a citation and a “reliable source.” Yet you don’t seem to think the source is reliable, as you have, in several previous posts, directly contradicted it. Please see my own previous responses, and I note that now several other annotaters have also pointed out this issue in your posts. You might want to go back and read that article carefully. It does not say what you think it says.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Since you haven’t figured it out, not all replies are linear (in order). They are shifted around if someone new replies to an earlier reply.

            They didn’t refuse a second opinion, at least initially (unknown if ever). That’s what the mother claimed. That doesn’t make it fact.

            Also, keep in mind that the mother had a record of doctor-shopping until she finds someone who agrees with her insane demands. BCH’s concern was with the child, not the mother, hence why they contacted DCF.

          • joeymom

            I figured it out just fine (that message boards aren’t “linear”) and can follow the conversation just fine.

            None of that negates the fact that there was a doctor of solid reputation on the case, and they were following the treatment plan of that doctor. Last I looked, Tufts was not some wild-hare place that bent to parental demands.

          • LoneWiseMan

            After doctor shopping… sure

          • joeymom

            So your position, just to be clear, is that Tufts is an unethical institution with unethical doctors, rather than a highly respected medical establishment.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Straw man.

            Try again.

          • asmith1234

            Gregg, Ignore the troll. It doesn’t matter what the story is about, he has targeted Ben Swann’s site to antagonize people commenting. You might want to read the following article:

            “Yes, There Are Paid Government Trolls On Social Media, Blogs, Forums And Websites”

            http://conbustible.com/2014/03/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites/

            “You’ve probably run into them before — those seemingly random antagonizers who always end up diverting the conversation in an online chat room or article comment section away from the issue at hand, and towards a much different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal immigration, the two-party political system, the “war on terror” and even alternative medicine are among the most common targets of such attackers, known as internet “trolls” or “shills,” who in many cases are nothing more than paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international organizations to sway and ultimately control public opinion.”

            “Several years ago, Canada’s CTV News aired a short segment about how its own government had been exposed for hiring secret agents to monitor social media and track online conversations, as well as the activities of certain dissenting individuals. This report, which in obvious whitewashing language referred to such activities as the government simply “weighing in and correcting” allegedly false information posted online, basically admitted that the Canadian government had assumed the role of secret online police.”

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Yeah, apparenlty, the BCH, and DCF, and a bunch of other statists didn’t want this story attracting attention – It’s very amusing how once the story was made public, they’ve decided to get involved with the media, but before that they had nothing to say.

            As far as the LoneWiseCracker, he is either a complete liberal statist disguising himself as a freedom-minded person, or a paid operative yes, I’ve noted that there seems to be an increased incidence of these types of people since the beginning of this site – inevitable when a site becomes popular.

            I was considering answering him again, but then I read the entire article he linked to, and noticed that he cherry picked the parts he wanted to prove, and did not take the context of the entire document. So he can go grind his axe elsewhere, or troll someone who has time for logical and intellectual dishonesty.

          • asmith1234

            Gregg, I got the biggest laugh out of his cherry picking the white knuckle thing and making it out to be there was something wrong with the mom. What a laughable deceiver! He didn’t want it shown the white knuckles were because of driving in a blizzard and he deliberately implied a lie. You know, the fact that trolls like this, which I highly suspect is a paid troll, invade sites like this just goes to show how afraid of the people finding out the truth, the government really is. How stupid of them to think that people will listen to them. I always keep in mind, there’s a whole lot more of us, out there, than there are of them.

          • rn40

            Interesting points you bring up. You give examples of why this child is still kept away from her family. I was curious if she had a definite test to confirm or rule out the disorder by BCH. After all this time I would hope they would.
            Also, if her sister has the disease did she have the official test to confirm this? If so, I would think she would use this to further boost her case in having her sister returned.

            I also wonder if this child is getting better under the care of BCH. I know the parents say she is not but they may not be reliable.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “Also, if her sister has the disease did she have the official test to confirm this?”

            I don’t know. Haven’t read that specifically. However, logic dictates that if the biopsy was done on her sister, they would in fact use it as evidence.

            “I also wonder if this child is getting better under the care of BCH.”

            She looked healthier in the face, color, weight, etc., but I’m imagine if she had that sort of mental disorder it’d take time to fix it.

            And by time it takes for that to occur, the idiot masses out there who don’t read into things wisely will have swayed enough of the public opinion that the kid will go back to the “care” of the insane mother by higher-ups.

            It should be noted that I don’t trust CPS in the slightest. However, I do trust hospitals to an extent, as they are experts. With all of the information available, it’s as clear as day to me that the mother is off her rocker and the father is an accomplice as he’s allowing it.

          • rn40

            I do not trust CPS either, they have made many mistake, mostly giving children back to parents who have unfortunately continued to abuse them.
            I read the link you posted earlier and it was very informative and showed both sides of the events.

            Although none of us know the specific details, there is a collaborative effort in finding the best coarse of action for a child on CPS hold. I am finding it hard to believe that law enforcement, judges, physicians, and psychiatrists are all involved in a conspiracy against these parents.

            The article also asserts there was a closed court hearing that allowed the child to speak on her behalf. The testimony was sealed, however, the judge ruled that the child must go to an alternative home once released from the hospital. Interesting, I would like to see if she gives interviews and more insight once she turns 18.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I have a feeling the best/most information we’ll ever get is from that Boston Globe article/writers.

      • Schaefersghost

        CPS is notorious for exploiting children by putting them unnecessarily on mind-altering substances. Too often the OD at the hands of CPS and the parents have no say in the matter.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztEqMounuRU

        • LoneWiseMan

          The DCF was notified by the hospital of medical abuse. DCF didn’t track this kid down or something.

    • Jake77

      Don’t mind the LoneDumbAss. He thinks all parents beat their kids and that the government loves kids more than parents do. That may have been the case in his own life but he is incapable of seeing that that is not normal. It’s unfortunate but his responses are usually irrational. Guy needs help.

  • oceandiva

    Chances are the poor child is dying due to Boston Children`s medical malpractice and they now need to try shifting responsibility somewhere else. I hope the family sues them for millions. Unfortunately, they can’t sue child services or the judge. But they can expose them daily and by name. They can take out billboards. They can buy ads. And I would bet they can find people willing to donate.

    • LoneWiseMan

      BCH seems to be the only competent organization in this entire debacle.

      Out of every single doctor and hospital that this mother went to where the doctors all left notes discussing how (paraphrasing) unstable the mother was/is, BCH was the only place that actually looked into it and noticed that Justina’s symptoms were only present in the presence of her insane mother.

      • oceandiva

        You got all of this information where?
        And a gag order?
        Go home, troll.

        • LoneWiseMan

          http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

          Reality sucks, simpleton.

          Maybe next time someone who posts sensationalist nonsense like what Tate does all the time, you should try to think “what angle is this person trying to get ME to agree with.”

          It’s called having a brain.

          And what does a gag order have to do with anything. That’s something the judge ordered, normally for a multitude of reasons: not creating a scene, keeping uninformed masses out making uninformed decisions (hello Trayvon Martin), keeping the girl’s medical records and condition private, etc., etc., etc., etc.

          It’s not a damn conspiracy. Use your brain.

          • Jake77

            Try reading the Globe article that you earlier sited. And read it without your biased goggles on. Clearly you are more interested in trying to make people upset than discovering any truth in this story.

          • LoneWiseMan

            If I’m making you upset by posting my opinion based off of facts, then that’s your problem.

            Maybe you should start to question yourself like any intelligent person would do.

          • Jake77

            You know that is a lie. You post opinion based on the most anti-social viewpoint available. You attack any person who does not agree with this myth that the mother is mentally ill, the child is mentally ill, and the Tuft’s doctors are incompetent and the fact that BCH would not allow the girl’s regular GI specialist who now works at BCH to see her means nothing to you because it is inconvenient and it doesn’t fit into your own twisted world where every parent is a likely violent abuser of children and the government of all entities is this benevolent source of succor in a world of child hating parents. Stand on your head and bend the truth any which way you want, in the end you are just a pathetic individual full of hate who finds it necessary to attack any decent impulse and present the viewpoint that the state is everything and the individual has no rights. You are the real potential sadist pretending to stand up for what’s right and true. It would be very interesting to shine some light on what crimes you have hidden against parents and children alike. Time and time again when I have encountered nut jobs like you, given enough time and resource, the crimes do show up. Eventually they will be found out. Enjoy prison.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Lying and typing a lot doesn’t make you right.

          • jake77

            Clearly you’ve learned this from personal experience. You are now an expert at it.

          • Schaefersghost

            Clearly the Loner must have some profit from the multibillion-dollar-per-year child exploitation business that has grown up around CAPTA and AFSA. See what Senator Schaefer spoke up about online. Easy to find. She took a bullet in the back, by the way.

          • Jake77

            Actually, by definition this whole thing started as a conspiracy. BCH is working with the state to carry out this action. BCH and the government got together, unannounced, and took custody of the child. The parents did not know of their intentions until after it was done. You know, words do have meaning.

          • LoneWiseMan

            BCH didn’t do anything except:

            1.) Realize the kid didn’t have the disease
            2.) Notice the mother was insane
            3.) Report it to the DCF

            They didn’t collaborate with the DCF to take control of the child like some sort of conspiracy.

          • joeymom

            But you keep misquoting that article, and ranting against those who note information from it. Which article are YOU reading? Because it isn’t the one you have linked.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Make random statements and not actually backing them up with anything is no different from me just saying:

            “You are wrong and I’m not going to tell you why.”

            Try again.

          • joeymom

            My apologies. So many people are taking issue with you, you appear to have lost who is saying what to you in their replies. I made more specific commentary elsewhere, I won’t bore other readers who are able to follow the conversation threads by repeating myself.

      • Jake77

        Here’s an idea. Try speaking the truth for a change. I know it’s difficult as it does not fit your agenda, but you should try anyway – it’s the civil thing to do.

        • LoneWiseMan

          My agenda? lol

          Says the Glen Beck nutjob. Keep swallowing his and others’ nonsense without thinking for yourself.

          • Jake77

            I don’t listen to talk radio nor do I watch TV. So your comments again show that you make assumptions without true data – the trouble is that you have confused your own opinion with fact. Just because you dream it up doesn’t make it true. LonesomeWitlessBoy

          • LoneWiseMan

            Well I’m sorry to hear that. You fit in perfectly with the nutjobs even without outside help. That’s even more sad.

            If you could at least admit (because I know you know) the mother is insane, I’d sympathize with your overly irrational view on anything remotely to do with psychology.

          • Jake77

            You speak in unfounded generalities. No fact based specifics. I’m interested in science that actually helps people get better. Psychology and Psychiatry historically have not an cannot. They are not true sciences.

          • LoneWiseMan

            They aren’t true sciences, correct. Not that that isn’t braindead obvious to anyone with a brain.

            That doesn’t mean no one in the world has mental problems though.

            Try thinking please.

          • Jake77

            I acknowledged days ago that mental insanity does exist. That is not at issue. The point is that Psychiatry is not an actual science that can effectively treat mental problems. It only covers them up with debilitating treatments.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Psychiatry != psychology

          • Michael Langley

            MD vs post graduate masters degree. They are not the same. Your ignorance shows.

          • LoneWiseMan

            That’s what != means, moron.

            “Not equal”

          • michael langley

            Ignorant in your use of !=, maybe. But, not a moron. First time I ever saw it expressed that way. I guess computer challenged people might not understand it. I did see it as an equal sign with a slash through it, as in my college algebra course. I never missed a point in college algebra and got all of the extra credit! A+! Maybe you would communicate better if you used, more commonly known symbols or wrote it out to not be misunderstood. And, you might note I was able to write all of this and my previous comment without writing any disparaging words about you! You will find it hard to discourage people who have a good self esteem.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Ah, noted on the != usage. I understand the your misinterpretation.

            As for you “not writing any disparaging words”: I’m not sure if you want a cookie or something.

            There’s only a problem with insults if they’re the only part of your argument, e.g.: “well you’re stupid!”

            That and of course if you’re overly concerned with emotions and feeling good, which doesn’t belong in logical discussions, especially politics.

          • rn40

            Munchausen and Munchhausen syndrome by proxy is certainly a
            serious mental disturbance and the parent (usually mother) is very good at initially convincing the doctor (usually after ‘doctor shopping’) that the child needs procedures, tests, and surgeries before the issue is recognized.

            The article states the sister had a biopsy that confirmed
            the mito disease. The child in the article did have a biopsy but it was
            inconclusive. The physician, however, treated her as if it was because of the medical history of the sister and the child’s symptoms.

            I believe there is a chance this child does not have this
            disease, she has an unrelated bowel abnormality. I believe the mother is convinced her daughter has this mito disorder and either consciously or unconsciously exacerbates the child’s unrelated illness and convinces the child, herself, and everyone else that her child is sicker than what she really is.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Pretty much.

            “The child in the article did have a biopsy but it was inconclusive.”

            One correction though: The *sister* (Jennifer, I believe) had the biopsy and it was inconclusive, rather it “suggested” MD..

            Unless you’ve read something different from me…

          • rn40

            Thanks for the clarification. I will look back over the article. I am sure you are correct, you seem very knowledgeable about this case.

            I am almost afraid to say this because of the backlash, but good for BM and CPS for doing what they think is right for the child despite the media coverage.
            Because of privacy issues the hospital and CPS cannot defend their position and this must be frustrating for them.

          • Michael Langley

            A wise physician does not make diagnoses until he has contact with the patient, or i your casse, the patient’s mother. Stating it as fact is a very dangerous thing to do, considering noone obviously knows the patient better than her doctors. It is just sad that the doctors have such differing opinions. Heard of a kid who once had a ruptured spleen on CT scan, buy the professionals at another hospital disagreed. The kid late was taken, in shock, back to the regional hospital, because the “professionals” were not really as informed as they thought they were. Their arrogance caused a mistake that, luckily, did not cause the young man to lose his life! All physicians are capable of making the wrong diagnosis. The system was over-reaching in this case. The parents, no matter how crazy anyone claims they are, are still the parents ant the ones entitled to make medical decisions regarding a minor child. Medicine by committee. What a wonderful practice! NOT!

        • Schaefersghost

          If I were raking in federal dough from CPS/DHS, CAPTA, ACTA maybe I’d be spewing propaganda like a LoneFool. Of course I’d change “Fool” to a wiser sounding name.

          Billions of Dollars per Year flowing into it and thousands of children dying in their hands unnecessarily – just ask Senator Nancy Schaefer!

  • oceandiva

    And they have “identified” a team at Tufts?! Where the parent’s already had a physician group working successfully with their daughter prior to their ill-fated trip to BC? What a crock.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Successfully? lol

      She was barely able to walk, talk, and eat before going to BCH. She was also seeing a psychologist for 5 years.

      How “healthy” is that?

      • Jake77

        Healthier than she is now. Don’t bother disputing that fact you know it’s true no matter how much you try to deny or hide.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Lying doesn’t help your cause.

          • Jake77

            No kidding. That’s why I didn’t lie.

      • tamajam10

        Wrong. She was able to walk, talk and eat before going to BCH. It was AFTER she became their prisoner (and their guinea pig) that her motor skills declined. I wonder how much BigPharma funded their experimentation on this helpless child.

        • LoneWiseMan

          No, she wasn’t.

          https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

          “They were making the white-knuckled trip from Connecticut because 14-year-old Justina wasn’t eating and was having trouble walking.”

          Reality.

          • joeymom

            They were taking her to the hospital because these symptoms were NEW and UNUSUAL. They took her immediately to the emergency room!!! Wow, did you not read the article you are linking?

  • RobinNemeth

    Hannah
    Poling, whose parents won a multi-million dollar settlement for vaccine injury
    a few years ago, also has mitochondrial disorder.

  • inopungbish

    This case can potentially have significantly devastating consequences to parental rights. Parents could lose their right to a second or third opinion if a medical establishment deems they are better than another. Medicine is not about who is right or who is better. It’s supposed to be about care for the patient. I think this case has a lot to do with egos than it does about preventing child abuse.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yes, clearly the hospital wants a lot of drama and to be ridiculed by the incredibly ingnorant masses, JUST so their pediatrician can thumb her nose at another doctor.

      Yes, that’s logical.

      I’m sure they weren’t genuinely concerned with the child’s welfare since it was so apparent that the mother is insane.

      • Jake77

        It’s not apparent that the mother is insane. Pure conjecture on your part.

        • LoneWiseMan

          lol. Sure she isn’t.

          “I DEMAND A FEEDING TUBE AND COLON FLUSHES!!!”

          • Fedup

            Uh… yeah, lonewiseass, because that was her original physician’s treatment protocol. One which was very effectively controlling and treating her ACTUAL illness, which at this time is not being treated at all. Somebody’s insane, but it isn’t this little girl’s parents.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Lord in heaven, you must be brain dead to believe that.

          • Jake77

            Don’t mind this ass. He used to try and reference articles but he always twists the truth. So now he’s getting lazy and lies and insults. He’s a real tool.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Jake77: Boston Globe isn’t reliable, but thirdteenth hand misinformation from Kristin Tate and vague references to stuff the insane mother said is.

            lol

          • Jake77

            The Globe article is just fine. Your misrepresentation of it is not.

          • joeymom

            Wait… you were the one basing your inferences on a Boston Globe article! Make up your mind!

          • LoneWiseMan

            It’s sarcasm, dimwit. Please don’t procreate.

          • tamajam10

            My guess is that he’s posting on behalf of the hospital.

          • tamajam10

            Also, colon flushes are helpful in restoring a natural balance to the colon. This is especially helpful in eliminating an accumulation of toxins. How is one rendered ‘insane’ for requesting such a perfectly natural protocol – especially when it was recommended by the child’s treating physician and was having positive effects?

          • LoneWiseMan

            Absolute hogwash. Helpful in eliminating an accumulation of toxins? lol

            My god, please go back to watching Oprah and leave the thinking to me.

            “Positive effects”

            Yea, like not being able to talk, walk, or eat. Boy she sure was healthy before going to BCH!

          • Jake77

            You’re a dishonest clown. Move out of your mom’s house and start paying rent.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Great defense vs an insane mother’s screams and demands that her little girl get colon flushes. lol

      • Bill O’Wright

        If the 9th Amendment doesn’t protect the right to raise your family and prohibit this kind of kidnapping under color of law, it’s hard to imagine what kind of abuses of power it does protect against.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Its kidnapping?

          So if I beat my kids mercilessly as “punishment,” it’s not okay for anyone to take my kids away?

          You know, because it’d be “kidnapping”?

          • Jake77

            “beat my kids mercilessly as “punishment”. This is a stupid analogy. There is no similarity or association between this story and your leap of logic. You are a hater. You are a liar and you do not seek truth.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I wasn’t asking you, I know you can’t answer.

          • Jake77

            This has been answered more than once. Guess your memory is as bad as your “logic”.

          • LoneWiseMan

            It was only actually answered by a single person. The rest dodged or twisted it, because they knew by answering, they’d be admitting that there are in fact times where kids should be removed from parents’ custody.

          • Jake77

            Well guess what, I was the person who answered it.

          • joeymom

            Did a medical doctor from a well-respected hospital tell you to beat your kid mercilessly as punishment?

          • LoneWiseMan

            Are there unicorns on the moon?

            Their first doctor isn’t even sure she has MD (his words). The fact that these parents have been “shopping” for a doctor that will agree with them is on record.

            Thank goodness people with a eye for crazies saw this situation for what it is and called out her insane mother.

          • joeymom

            It’s your analogy. You equated following a doctor’s order as abuse with beating a child mercilessly as abuse. Unless a doctor ordered that beating, you are not making a proper analogy. Please use a proper analogy to make your point, or people who can actually follow logic are going to laugh at you.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Yes, let’s ignore the fact she went doctor shopping (long history of it too) until she found one who would agree with her and placate her at her daughter’s expense.

      • Jake77

        The mother is sane. You are not qualified to make such a statement. And you are a liar.

        • LoneWiseMan

          I have a brain, I’m qualified.

          • Jake77

            News flash, Charles Manson has a brain too – he’s not qualified either.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Manson really isn’t an idiot, so I’m not sure the reference there, but then again I’m not an idiot.

          • Jake77

            I didn’t say anything about you being an idiot. If Manson isn’t an idiot and therefore you can’t see the reference then it follows that you are an idiot as you are not like Manson. The actual point is you claim to be qualified to deem the mother as insane and your stated qualification is that you have a brain. Well guess what, Charles Manson has a brain and he’s not remotely qualified to proclaim a person insane and neither are you – just having a brain does not qualify anyone – the fact that you think so really shows that you are not qualified.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Jibberish. Sanity is not a required qualifier for identifying others’ insanity.

          • Arthur Black

            You don’t even read the article you linked to. You are a LoneDumbTroll.

          • joeymom

            You have a psychology or psychiatry higher degree? Unfortunately, we will never know. Plus, knowing the joys of higher ed, it may not matter. Plenty of degrees are bestowed to the undeserving.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Finally something we can agree on.

    • Schaefersghost

      Could? This has been a problem for awhile since the bureaucracy surrounding CPS has been planting goons in hospitals specifically to direct children to CPS. Can you say “Federal incentives” ???

  • Schaeferghost

    It’s not new for them to promise “just wait a month and she’ll probably be returned” but then month after month pass and she never returns. I’ve seen it.

    You haven’t done anything wrong, but we believe it’s in her best interest…

    It’s in the interest of profit to keep children, especially disabled, in state custody because of the unconscionable rewards given as incentives by federal government. See CAPTA and ASFA legislation, and read Senator Nancy Schaefer’s congressional report – easily found by online searching. And don’t miss the videos that she made exposing them before she was shot in the back.

    • LoneWiseMan

      That’s nice story and all, but not what happened here at all.

      https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

      The mother (and by proxy her father) is insane.

      She was demanding feeding tubes and colon flushes for crying out loud.

      • Jake77

        You are not qualified to judge her state of sanity.
        Stop lying.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Yes I am. She’s insane. You’re welcome.

          • Jake77

            Don’t look now but your megalomania is showing. What’s it like being so omniscient?

          • LoneWiseMan

            It’s okay. I have to deal with simpletons like you all day, but I manage to find enjoyment.

          • Jake77

            Interesting. You spend your days insulting people and telling lies and you find enjoyment out of that – pretty pathetic. And before you claim you speak the truth don’t bother. You are an expert at confusing your own opinion as fact.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Translation: wah

          • tamajam10

            LoneWiseMan may be (understandably) alone, but he is far from wise. A truly wise man never feels the need to be condescending to others in order to inflate his own ego. You must have far too much time on your hands if you find the ongoing need to berate others because their opinions conflict with your preconceived notions. How sad for you that you can only find your ‘enjoyment’ by hyper-inflating your own sense of importance.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I don’t really think a fool can comment on what a wise man is “really” about.

            It’s like a blind man explaining what colors look like to someone who can see.

          • Arthur Black

            Also from your linked article. “After a year in state custody: “she remains very weak and unable to walk, and she continues to require medical intervention for bowel movements.”
            So by your so called wisdom the hospital that kidnapped her is insane. Please actually read the article you linked. I know it is 2 whole pages long but you can do it.

          • LoneWiseMan

            The problem with her bowel movements is actually real, but it’s unrelated. She’s always had that problem.

            Maybe you should try reading what I said again and this time understand it instead of just recognizing that they are in fact words on the screen. The form these crazy things called sentences which convey thoughts.

          • Mary Brown Vaughan

            Mr. Black, don’t we all know by now it’s useless dealing with liberal lunatics? They are the one’s who seem to be insane because no matter how much truth you put in front of them, they always have an excuse to deny it or usually just lash out in some personal attacks. Best to save your energy and ignore them. We need to pull together to get Obama and his cronies out of office…..so we don’t have more of these stories….which we know they way things are going, there will be many.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Liberals and religious people are equally insane.

            Case in point, this story has absolutely nothing to do with Obama, but somehow your inadequate brain deemed it so.

            Funny watching you nutjobs complain about personal attacks then call people lunatics. lol

      • Arthur Black

        Can a wise man actually read? An exact quote from your article: “early on the staff had been suspicious of Linda’s demand that her
        daughter get a temporary feeding tube in order to increase her
        nourishment. But immediately after the parents lost custody, the report
        noted, Children’s had determined that the feeding tube was indeed
        medically necessary and Justina was given one.”

        • LoneWiseMan

          I can’t find any of the text you’re quoting. I even searched for snippets and the read the entire thing again.

          I searched for: early on the staff, Linda’s demand, feeding tube, etc.

          Nothing. Lying doesn’t help your irrational cause.

          • joeymom

            Cut and pasted from Part Two of your article:
            “Yet it acknowledged some contradictions in her care at Children’s. For
            instance, early on the staff had been suspicious of Linda’s demand that
            her daughter get a temporary feeding tube in order to increase her
            nourishment. But immediately after the parents lost custody, the report
            noted, Children’s had determined that the feeding tube was indeed
            medically necessary and Justina was given one.”

            You have to go to Part Two, nit just scan Part One.

          • LoneWiseMan

            The above up there didn’t link the article he was talking about.

            I just read the second part. Even if the feeding tube was deemed necessary for a bit, it only exemplifies the fact that she was in EXTREMELY poor health when arriving at BCH.

            Can’t have it both ways.

            Also, what about the demand for colon flushes?

          • joeymom

            Of course she was in extremely poor health. That’s why they took her to the emergency room!!!

          • LoneWiseMan

            That’s not what most people are claiming here. They’re saying she was in great health before being taken to BCH.

          • joeymom
      • joeymom

        Interestingly, the article you provide seems scathing against DCF and BCH as routinely taking steps to break up families when families disagree with their diagnoses. The references to the feeding tube are in the article your link references. Read the section where Dr. Newton takes over, and notes the problems of the feeding tube being demanded (near the photo of Justina noting that Justina’s sister had also been diagnosed with the disorder). The reference is made again in Part 2, and also adds that the feeding tube was eventually considered necessary and inserted. This is the text, from Part Two:
        “Yet it acknowledged some contradictions in her care at Children’s. For
        instance, early on the staff had been suspicious of Linda’s demand that
        her daughter get a temporary feeding tube in order to increase her
        nourishment. But immediately after the parents lost custody, the report
        noted, Children’s had determined that the feeding tube was indeed
        medically necessary and Justina was given one.”

        • LoneWiseMan

          If anything, it only proves that BCH has the girl’s best interest in mind.

          What about the colon flushes that she was demanding? Although she may actually have a separate, unrelated colon condition.

          And it’s not the article I provided, it’s a second part that I wasn’t aware of. Details. Once again it proves what poor health Justina was in when she was brought to BCH.

          • joeymom

            I still do not understand how you could read the article you read and come to the conclusion that it was in any way supporting BCH. Perhaps you ought to read it more carefully- all the way through- before citing it.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I’m not sure how you could read that article and think that the mother isn’t insane.

          • joeymom

            The second part was clearly noted. Be sure to read an entire article before linking to it.

        • asmith1234

          joeymom, ignore the Lone(notsowise)man…. he’s a troll that no matter what the story is about on Ben Swann’s site, his purpose is to annoy and offend people making comments. Personally, I think he’s on the payroll.

          Trolls
          “Yes, There Are Paid Government Trolls On Social Media, Blogs, Forums And Websites”

          http://conbustible.com/2014/03/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites/

          “You’ve probably run into them before — those seemingly random antagonizers who always end up diverting the conversation in an online chat room or article comment section away from the issue at hand, and towards a much different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal immigration, the two-party political system, the “war on terror” and even alternative medicine are among the most common targets of such attackers, known as internet “trolls” or “shills,” who in many cases are nothing more than paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international organizations to sway and ultimately control public opinion.”
          “Several years ago, Canada’s CTV News aired a short segment about how its own government had been exposed for hiring secret agents to monitor social media and track online conversations, as well as the activities of certain dissenting individuals. This report, which in obvious whitewashing language referred to such activities as the government simply “weighing in and correcting” allegedly false information posted online, basically admitted that the Canadian government had assumed the role of secret online police.”

          http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html

          “(NaturalNews) You’ve probably run into them before — those seemingly random antagonizers who always end up diverting the conversation in an online chat room or article comment section away from the issue at hand, and towards a much different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal immigration, the two-party political system, the “war on terror” and even alternative medicine are among the most common targets of such attackers, known as internet “trolls” or “shills,” who in many cases are nothing more than paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international organizations to sway and ultimately control public opinion.

          Several years ago, Canada’s CTV News aired a short segment about how its own government had been exposed for hiring secret agents to monitor social media and track online conversations, as well as the activities of certain dissenting individuals. This report, which in obvious whitewashing language referred to such activities as the government simply “weighing in and correcting” allegedly false information posted online, basically admitted that the Canadian government had assumed the role of secret online police. At the time, this was a great unknown to the general Canadian public.”

      • leftist Royalty

        Thanks for the info sociopath

        • LoneWiseMan

          No problem!

      • Sarah Lee

        “The record noted” continually repeated in the BG “story”; however, NOT one piece of record has ever been released due to the HIPAA law, and the confidentiality of CHS-not to mention a gag order. So now explain to me why you believe an article that makes claims to a “record” that doesn’t exist in the media or public eyes?

        • LoneWiseMan

          It does exist in the media. The Boston Globe is a media source.

          They (reporters) were there for the hearings in the courtroom. They also got testimony from doctors and staff.

          That information doesn’t have to do with Justina, hence why it’s not confidential.

          • Sarah Lee

            No they don’t. All hearings are closed to the public that involves a minor child….including the gag order….no record has been made public nitwit.

          • LoneWiseMan

            No, idiot, information regarding HER is confidential. Information regarding her parents is not.

          • Sarah Lee

            Wrong again….nothing has been released period…gag order. Not one document, not one thing except for the final ruling was made public……by the family.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Gag order was dropped.

            Try again, idiot.

  • Mary Brown Vaughan

    What’s the point of having children when government is basically deeming themselves as more fit than the parents? This is nothing short of insane.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yeah, gosh, how come we care about children being abused? We should definitely just look the other way!

    • asmith1234

      Mary, ignore the Lone(notsowise)man…. he’s a troll that no matter what the
      story is about on Ben Swann’s site, his purpose is to annoy and offend
      people making comments. Personally, I think he’s on the payroll.

      Trolls
      “Yes, There Are Paid Government Trolls On Social Media, Blogs, Forums And Websites”

      http://conbustible.com/2014/03/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites/

      “You’ve
      probably run into them before — those seemingly random antagonizers who
      always end up diverting the conversation in an online chat room or
      article comment section away from the issue at hand, and towards a much
      different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal immigration, the
      two-party political system, the “war on terror” and even alternative
      medicine are among the most common targets of such attackers, known as
      internet “trolls” or “shills,” who in many cases are nothing more than
      paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international
      organizations to sway and ultimately control public opinion.”
      “Several
      years ago, Canada’s CTV News aired a short segment about how its own
      government had been exposed for hiring secret agents to monitor social
      media and track online conversations, as well as the activities of
      certain dissenting individuals. This report, which in obvious
      whitewashing language referred to such activities as the government
      simply “weighing in and correcting” allegedly false information posted
      online, basically admitted that the Canadian government had assumed the
      role of secret online police.”

      http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html

      “(NaturalNews)
      You’ve probably run into them before — those seemingly random
      antagonizers who always end up diverting the conversation in an online
      chat room or article comment section away from the issue at hand, and
      towards a much different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal
      immigration, the two-party political system, the “war on terror” and
      even alternative medicine are among the most common targets of such
      attackers, known as internet “trolls” or “shills,” who in many cases are
      nothing more than paid lackeys hired by the federal government and
      other international organizations to sway and ultimately control public
      opinion.

      Several years ago, Canada’s CTV News aired a short
      segment about how its own government had been exposed for hiring secret
      agents to monitor social media and track online conversations, as well
      as the activities of certain dissenting individuals. This report, which
      in obvious whitewashing language referred to such activities as the
      government simply “weighing in and correcting” allegedly false
      information posted online, basically admitted that the Canadian
      government had assumed the role of secret online police. At the time,
      this was a great unknown to the general Canadian public.”

  • Isabella

    Knowing this family, personally, the girls are wonderful people. The dad is volatile, and not anyone I’ve ever allowed my kids to be near, but not crazy, just… volatile and lacking a filter. Mom, however, has needed mental help for a LONG time now. She has always been kind of a hypochondriac, but concerning her daughters’ health, not her own.

  • Maryann

    @LoneWiseMan – The child has gone from being in ice skating competitions to a wheelchair. Under DCF – an emergency visit to the ER (no reason provided why). The child is now reportedly close to death. BCH provided a bad diagnosis and to save face, they refuse to back down. DCF is in bed with BCH and won’t admit they did anything wrong. They’ve had approx. 95 kids die on them in the last year and have over 100 missing that THEY can’t find. And you support them? What is WRONG with you?

    • LoneWiseMan

      I have a working brain. Those kids are in dire states when the state gets them in the first place.

      You’re basically saying prison makes people criminals because 100% of prisoners are criminals. It’s so idiotic, it’s hard to refute in any terms you’d grasp.

      She wasn’t able to eat or walk when she was being taken to the hospital. Read. It works.

  • call me roy

    And all of you Americans think you live in a free country? Think again!
    There is a young person held captive in Massachusetts today who is not allowed to participate in religious ceremonies, or visit family without government agents watching. No, it’s not the accused Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. It’s 15-year-old mitochondrial disease patient and non-terrorist Justina Pelletier. U.S. District Court Judge George O’Toole Jr. ruled Wednesday that the now-20-year-old charged with four deaths and injuring of more than 260 people should be able to see his sisters without an FBI agent present.
    “Can you believe it?” That was Jennifer Pelletier’s response when she was told about the ruling. She’s Justina’s older sister — and every visit she has with her wheelchair-bound sister is held under the watchful eye of agents from both the state’s Department of Children and Families and — since the story went national — armed state police! The family is only allowed one visit a week, for one hour a week, with their own sick daughter.
    “It’s hard for me to say this,” Justina’s father Lou told me Wednesday, “but a terrorist is getting better treatment in Massachusetts right now than a sick teenager who’s done nothing wrong.” And that’s the source of rage among Justina’s supporters. She’s the one who’s suffering and all she did was come down with an illness.
    Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick had the executive power to pardon convicted criminals with the stroke of a pen, yet ignored the plight of an innocent, sick adolescent in state care. It’s a dereliction of duty that Governor Patrick did not take action to free Justina into the loving arms of her family,” commented Rev. Patrick Mahoney a spokesperson for the Pelletier Family. It is tragic that every young person in the Wayside Youth Facility was able to spend time with their family and celebrate Easter except one. That is Justina Pelletier. It appears that the DCF was punishing Justina and the Pelletier family rather than trying to reunite them, which is their stated purpose.
    How does this horrible Dr. Eli Newberger, have such enormous and unchecked power? This Juvenile Court Judge Joseph Johnson is even worse, he should be thrown off the bench. Is something involving illegal medical testing is going on at that hospital? Apparently, something illegal is going on? Unless a local media source picks up the story, or it happens to someone you know, most Americans are totally unaware that this is happening quite frequently in the United States. Medical tyranny is sadly a reality today in the U.S., and if you disagree with a medical professional over the care of your child, you face losing custody of your child.
    Justina’s case is especially bizarre, because the parents were actually following a treatment plan for her that was recommended by doctors in their home town. Their only “crime” was to disagree with the doctors at Boston Children’s Hospital and want to discharge her and take her back to her original doctors. Boston Children’s Hospital is part of the Harvard Medical School system, with strong ties to funding from the federal government. Boston Children’s Hospital “is home to the world’s largest research enterprise based at a pediatric hospital. More than 1,100 scientists, including nine members of the National Academy of Sciences, 11 on-staff members of the Institute of Medicine and 9 members of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute.”
    So in other words, these people will do what they want with you’re child. Could it be that Justina is part of a medical research trial? We reported the story of Sarah Hershberger in 2013, the 10-year-old Amish girl who fled the U.S. with her parents to avoid forced chemotherapy treatments. A court had awarded custody of Sarah to a nurse at Akron Children’s Hospital.
    Her parents claim that their daughter was part of an experimental chemo drug trial, to which they had not given consent.
    Let them all lose their jobs and their reputations for this unbelievable disdain for justice. By the way folks, why isn’t this news story on the main stream media (CBS, NBS, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, etc)?
    A bill in the Massachusetts Legislature which would have overruled the judge and freed Justina immediately, HD 4212, written by MassResistance and filed on April 4, was blocked by the Democratic leadership in the House, despite national outrage and a flood of calls and emails from across the country. I thought the Democratic Party was for the people? Apparently not! Now, the DCF has announced that Justina will be moved to a hospital inConnecticutt instead of with her parents! 15 months this has been going on!
    Remember folks, never put your child in a Massachusetts hospital. Never
    Justice is coming Justina. Hang on.