State Awarded “Permanent” Custody Of Justina Pelletier

By: Kristin Tate
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We have been closely following the story of 15-year-old Justina Pelletier, who was taken custody of Boston Children’s Hospital for over one year against her parents’ will. On Tuesday, a judge ruled that Justina will remain in the “permanent” custody of the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families (DCF).

Matt Staver, founder of the Liberty Counsel, said of the order, “This is just completely unacceptable. The family asked us to pursue any other opportunities and appeals. The family is beyond fed-up.”

Justina’s parents, Lou and Linda, have been fighting to get their daughter back home ever since the hospital initially took custody of her in February 2013. Years ago doctors diagnosed Justina with mitochondrial disease, which causes loss of muscle control. Despite this diagnosis, Justina was able to live a happy and relatively normal life with her family in Connecticut.

During a visit to Boston Children’s Hospital during February 2013, doctors claimed that the teen has somatoform disorder, not mitochondrial disease. Somatoform disorder is a mental disorder — not a physical one, like mitochondrial disease.

The hospital ordered that Justina be taken off all of her mitochondrial and pain medication. Lou and Linda did not think this was the best plan of action and wanted to bring their daughter home. Officials would not allow that. The parents were subsequently escorted out of the hospital by security personnel. Only four days later, they found out they had lost custody of their daughter due to “both parents’ resistance towards recommended treatment plans” and “overmedicalizing” the girl.

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Lou and Linda have been pursuing legal action for over one year to regain custody of their daughter. They remain heartbroken and furious.


Dr. Mark Korson of Tufts Medical Center was one of Justina’s prior physicians. In an email, he said, “I am dismayed. … It feels like Justina’s treatment team is out to prove the diagnosis at all costs. … The (Boston Children’s Hospital) team has demanded that Justina be removed from the home. … This represents the most severe and intrusive intervention a patient can undergo … for a clinical hunch.”

Lou said the longer Justina stays in the custody of Boston Children’s Hospital, the worse her condition gets. A year ago, Justina was competing in figure skating competitions — now, she is paralyzed from the waist down and is not receiving any schooling. Two weeks ago, the girl was rushed to the emergency after visiting family members noticed marks on her stomach. Even more recently, her legs became swollen and she lost feeling in her feet.

Following Tuesday’s order, Staver said, “A child’s health and welfare are hanging in the balance. We cannot continue to withhold treatment from this young girl. DCF has abused its authority. DCF had no right to come between Justina and medical care.”

Rev. Patrick Mahoney, a spokesman for the Pelletiers, said the parents “are crushed and heartbroken to see their daughter violated like this. They are rightfully worried for her safety.”

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Kristin Tate is a multi-media reporter for Breitbart News and BenSwann.com. Dedicated to fearless journalism, she regularly works on undercover stings with James O'Keefe to reveal government waste, abuse, and fraud. Tate was a Young Americans for Liberty (YAL) Chapter President and Founder. She will continue to fight tirelessly for individual liberty and free markets through new media. Visit Kristin's website at www.TheLibertarianChick.com.

  • http://www.jessereport.com/ Jesse Report

    This shit makes me soooo mad… I can’t even make rational comment!!! WTF has this world come to??

    • LoneWiseMan

      HOW COME I CAN’T ABUSE MY CHILDREN AND GET AWAY WITH IT?!?!

      Gawsh, the world is so unfair! America is dead! Etc…

      (sarcasm)

  • Vance

    If this is allowed soon it will be your kids to. Where is the line between the bill of rights and the dictatorship that is now America. “We all hang together or we all hang separately. “

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yea, we should all be able to beat the shit out of our kids, right?!

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Strawman

      • Vajoynus

        Why do you keep using that line?

        • LoneWiseMan

          Because it makes sense and exposes the stupidity and tinfoil hat nutjobbery of people claiming that the state shouldn’t be able to take kids.

          We all obviously agree that abused kids should be removed and parents should be charged.

  • Frank_in_Spokane

    In the intro to her 1999 book “101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution,” Claire Wolfe wrote, “America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”
    That was fifteen years ago. Is it time to start shooting yet?

    • Fascist Slayer

      Well, in Ukraine violent protesters burned so called “corrupt” cops alive, kidnapped them and tortured them in secret locations, firebombed them, beat them with bats, smashed their heads in with bricks, stormed prosecutors offices and destroyed records, stormed political offices and destroyed records, stormed court chambers and held judges hostage, threatened to kill and intimidated political opponents, (you know all the normal things that typical protesters do in a protest, (sarcasm), and your pig, filthy, most unclean government stood on the world stage and issued a warning to the Ukrainian police and authorities to respect Ukrainian citizens or suffer international consequences. If something this catastrophic ever happened in the U.S. I don’t think your pig government would take to the American Airwaves and threaten American police and local authorities with international consequences, instead I’d be willing to bet that the slaughter of U.S. citizens would be biblical.

  • Mike

    According to the most recent version of the DSM (DSM-5), Somatoform Disorder no longer exists. It has been replaced by something called Somatic Symptom Disorder and does not adopt the perspective that somatic symptoms are due to unexplained psychological causes. Of course, at the time of the diagnosis of Somatoform (i.e., Feb. 2013) the DSM-5 had not yet been published, so it was still a disorder at that time. Perhaps requesting a new evaluation could be useful.

  • Frank_in_Spokane

    … Maybe some former special forces types want to mount an armed rescue mission?

    • LoneWiseMan

      No need, the girl was already rescued from the insane mother.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Ad hominem.

  • Morndew

    This does not make any sense. They have the right to a second opinion, even if they have to bring someone in. I’m sure that would have sway with the judge or any future judges? Can they not find any other doctors?

    • amyskene

      They **should** have a right to a second opinion and to even choose their own care. But they don’t. This will only get worse as the federal government becomes intertwined with health care. It isn’t a system for caring for people – it’s a system of control. I hope that more people can see this before it’s too late.

      • LoneWiseMan

        Second opinion? Do you know how many doctors the insane mother took her to before finally finding one that would agree with her and do whatever she wanted?

        What about all of those second opinions? Hell, if we’re keeping score, she’d had probably had 20+ opinions.

        • Gregg Braddoch

          Conjecture, and Ad hominem.

        • Michael Langley

          Most, fibromyalgia and interstitial cystitis patients have to go, on the average, to seven doctors before getting the correct diagnosis. Both are clinical diagnoses and have to be made by elimination of other diseases. There is nothing other than phsycial exam, in the case of fibromyalgia, or history, in IC, that can be done to prove the diagnosis. How are you better qualified to make your diagnoses in this case?

          • LoneWiseMan

            There’s no such thing as fibromyalgia.

            It’s cute watching people decry the legitimacy of psychology, then cite off completely unsupported nonsense like fibromyalgia.

        • amyskene

          A parent, or patient, should have the right to as many “2nd opinions” as they care to have. Medical “science” is hardly absolute or infallible. There is a reason it’s called “practicing medicine”. Your fanaticism for the scientific establishment is every bit as scary and unhealthy as the most radical religious fundamentalist.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Riiiiiight.

            She already got 20 “second opinions.” She just wants to keep shoving medicine down her child’s throat even though she doesn’t need it.

  • Kevin Kreitzer

    Somatic Symptom Disorder is not even real it is a bunch
    of made up bullshit in a DSM {The Diagnostic
    and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders } from a
    bunch of want to be doctors. There is no actual
    test to prove any of their crap it is merely a opinion or
    guess to sell drugs. The DSM is full of stuff they can
    not prove by any tests all in the name of drug sales.
    Psychologists with the help of big pharma have
    become nothing more than snake oil salesmen.
    Give this family back their child for you have broken
    a home and hearts to try and prove what you can not
    and control what you should not.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yea11!!111!!

      There’s no such thing as psychological disorders! Kevin Kreitzer said so on the interwebs!11

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Strawman.

      • heretoquestion

        your user name says it all, All alone with your thoughts and ideas

        • LoneWiseMan

          Well someone has to be right.

  • amyskene

    I hope American’s wake up to the state control that is being imposed on us via the “health care” system.

    I cannot imagine there is any more fundamental right than to choose one’s own course, or their family members, when it concerns our own bodies.

    By extension Obamacare is, and will ultimately be, a power play that gives further power over our lives in the guise of “health care”.

    Obamacare is nothing more than mandated health insurance which makes “conventional” medicine richer and more powerful. And when we’re not able to deal with the inevitable bills some will accumulate, even with this “insurance”, who will we be ultimately indebted to? The IRS and the federal government.

    This is a trap. And what’s going on here is only one of many cases where doctors are given power over families.

    • Moral Orel

      Agreed! If parents want to shoot heroin or smoke meth with their kids around, they should be allowed to. The government has no rights to come in a take them away!

      I don’t agree with the affordable care act (or Obama care, if you will) but this has nothing to do with it.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        “I don’t agree with the affordable care act (or Obama care, if you will) but this has nothing to do with it.”

        Oh yes it does. The ACA allows the IRS to peruse individuals healthcare records, and this is setting a precedent showing that the state can take your children if you disagree with what healthcare should be provided. (And the state has a decidedly bad track record taking care of children. The risk of abuse, sexual abuse, and death by neglect is significantly higher with the state, than with natural parents).

      • amyskene

        Yes it does. It’s another step that gives the government considerable control over your health, and your family. When a family does find itself in medical debt, which will happen even with insurance, who will that debt ultimately be owed to? The IRS. It simply amazes me people don’t see what government involvement means with “Obamacare”. It isn’t “national healthcare” – it’s mandated insurance that gives the government control over our health choices.

  • Ron Allen

    So let me see… The STATE awarded custody to itself. No big surprize here.

    • LoneWiseMan

      IT’S A CONSPIRACY!!!!

      Several hundred people are in on it, so they can steal a perfectly healthy girl who somehow couldn’t walk, talk, or eat away from her parents!

      lol

  • Moral Orel

    Munchausen syndrome by proxy.
    Does anyone know how many hospitals have turned the Pelletiers away in the past? What about her full medical history? There is a lot of information that is not being shared to the public due to HIPPA laws. The media is working with what is available, but there is more to the story we have not heard.

    • Gregg Braddoch

      Since you don’t know the information yourself, then you can not objectively state MBP, so what you are doing is stating subjectively that MBP (which isn’t even fully considered to be a real disorder) is what is happening, without proof.

      • Moral Orel

        Subjective statement removed
        Does anyone know how many hospitals have turned
        the Pelletiers away in the past? What about her full medical history? There is
        a lot of information that is not being shared to the public due to HIPPA laws.
        The media is working with what is available, but there is more to the story we
        have not heard.

        The objective of the post was to pose a view from another perspective. What the media is relaying to the public is minimal, compared to what is used in the legal proceedings. It is a very unfortunate situation for this young girl and her family, but there are reasons above and beyond Obama care and the state of Massachusetts.

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/214568993/Justina-Pelletier-ruling

        On another note, she is from CT. Do you know how many hospitals and medical centers are in CT? Why does the family need to go to Boston for flu like symptoms? I guess we shouldn’t ask too many questions.

        • Gregg Braddoch

          I can say that we’re not supposed to assume “Munchausen syndrome by proxy.” simply because the state (who, along with Boston Children’s Hospital, and DCF, and the Judge who works for the state) say it is so. Especially when they are defending a diagnosis of a controversial disorder with no scientific data showing it’s existence.

          In your linked document, the CT DCF refused to allow the Mass. DCF to run a program in their state, for threat of a lawsuit – You will claim that this is the fault of the parents, I say it is because the judges in CT are not likely to be lapdogs for the DCF, and they knew the case was fraudulent, having investigated previously, and dropped the case.

          The document also states “based on credible evidence” that Justina has somatoform disorder, which there can be none. Somatoform disorder has no justifiable medical or scientific basis, and is heresay.

          “There is absolutely no meaningful dialog from the parents toward reunification” – Meaning, the parents have not buckled to state ordered controversial diagnosis, so they shouldn’t have their kids back. This is kidnapping, and the presumption that parents should be reasonable when having their children forcibly taken is absurd, and contradicts both medical science and psychology. In fact, it would be a red flag if they were NOT pissed off.

          The state has no right to dictate to parents what medical care their children should or should not receive, and states and governments have very bad track records as far as doing what is best for individuals.

          You cannot objectively demonstrate that a controversial disorder with no scientific basis, is a better diagnosis than one that has a diagnosis of a medical doctor who stands by his diagnosis, along with a team of other doctors. Further still, you cannot show the court, the DCF, or any agents of the state to be rational and objective – they all have a conflict of interest in the case: The psychologists involved want to get funding to study the newly created “somatoform disorder”, the BCH wants to prove it was right because of bad press, and the Judge wants to exonerate the state because his salary comes from the state, and the state cannot let the DCF be wrong, because that would allow people to question the authority of the DCF.

          So instead of assuming that the parents have a mental disorder, and instead of assuming that their daughter has a disorder for which no medical or scientific test can be done to prove it, lets just be reasonable and assume that the self-interests of all these groups are in play, and that they are tearing apart a family, rather than face humiliation.

          • Moral Orel

            What you have said does make sense and I agree with most of what you have written.
            But, I do like to play devils advocate. So, with that said, do you
            (or any others) believe that the state of Massachusetts is still in the wrong IF (big “if”) Justina and her parents were discharged from numerous hospitals and medical centers in CT for admitting and/ or trying to admit their child with no plausible symptoms? Also, what if the DCF in CT would not take action, even when requested by medical professionals in CT hospitals? The DCF in CT saw the outcome of this….. too much attention and all negative attention, just as Mass. is receiving now.

            I presume they chose to go north to the hospital rich land of Boston. not because it has more to offer but because they were turned away from other institutions. Turned away by fear of over treating and treating a patient that they could find no real issues with. They received a diagnosis of mitochondrial disease from Dr. Mark Korson of Tufts medical center (valid diagnosis, one would think). I do not
            know how serious or valid this disease is but from my own research it’s
            symptoms are very vague and sometimes hard to correlate back to mitochondrial disease.

            Now,
            why do they need to go back to Boston, and more specifically BMC for flu like symptoms and not to a local hospital/ medical center in Hartford (CT Childrens) or even New Haven (Yale-New Haven Hospital)? Maybe because they had all ready been shown the door….Why not back to Tufts, where they would be under the umbrella of Dr. Korson?

            Maybe Kristin Tate can try to shed some light on these answers?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “Turned away by fear of over treating and treating a patient that they could find no real issues with. ”

            Or, turned away because they didn’t feel qualified to diagnose a patient with Mitochondrial disease, since it is not well understood by many doctors. From an earlier story I believe they were referred to BCH by someone at Tufts, who had previously worked at BCH.

          • Michael Langley

            It is just easier and less risky to turn away the complicated cases and call it “mental”. It is a true cop-out! It may be that they had no idea. But, being under public eyes, they did not want to admit that they had no better answer, at that time.

            Knew a kid once, told by the local doctor he had a ruptured spleen, only to be told by the regional hospital that there was no rupture. Later, he had to be driven, in an ambulance, sixty miles, back to the regional hospital, when his ruptured spleen started bleeding. The big shot doctors did not realize the local doctor had better training in dealing with trauma, than they did at the regional hospital! They almost cost the kid his life with their arrogance! So, don’t be tricked into believing the people at BCH are never wrong! They are human and never perfect.

          • Zack

            Yeah, but idiots are going to believe what they are told by the Liberal media…

          • http://www.facebook.com/1033main Marci Smethurst Wolcott

            They were referred to BCH by a doctor at Tufts as per Gregg Braddoch’s comment.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Long posts don’t make the bullshit you’re spewing become reality.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Calling something bullshit does not make it bullshit. Providing facts that are contrary would prove it bullshit, but you cannot do that.

            Nice to see you again LoneWiseMan, I’m glad you’re still up to the old cherry picking and ad hominem game.

          • LoneWiseMan

            You didn’t post any facts yourself.

            What is there to refute?

            By all rational accounts, the mother is insane and the girl has an unrelated colon condition.

            Insert emotion and you think it’s a conspiracy and the state should never have the right to take away a kid.

          • Zack

            Technically, the state should not have that authority. It should be left up to the community itself, as a whole. They should vote on it.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Big difference. lol.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “By all rational accounts, the mother is insane and the girl has an unrelated colon condition.”

            Nice to know that you are a medical doctor and a psychologist who has examined both the mother and the daughter. Show me one documentation that either is the case.

            ‘Insert emotion and you think it’s a conspiracy and the state should never have the right to take away a kid.’

            Actually, the facts show that the state is not capable of taking care of children, and is even worse at it than ANY parents. You can find the info on it in my links on my other comments. Go Fish, or keep repeating the same old tired dogma.

        • http://www.facebook.com/1033main Marci Smethurst Wolcott

          It’s been a while since I read the particulars but, if memory serves, the family was referred to Boston by the girl’s Dr. in Conn. who felt the added expertise would be beneficial.

    • Maggie May

      It’s HIPAA.

      • Moral Orel

        Thank you Marggie ;)
        The pinky finger gets a little loose sometimes.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Bingo. Exactly.

      The mother in particular is well-documented with her insane behavior and doctor shopping.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Documentation? Again, Ad Hominem and Conjecture.

  • David

    I sympathize with the plight of Miss Pelletier. But the article is so poorly written as to be nearly unreadable. Typos such as dropped words (see 1st sentence), misspellings, and just made up words “overmedicalizing” are often overlooked in a FB post or comment like this one. But in a professional piece of work it just degrades the credibility. Please set up the lovely Miss Tate with a spell checker. She doesn’t look like a hick, but the wirtting… wellllll.

    • Kyle Hook

      David do you know what ” ” that means when u see it around a word or sentence? She clearly is quoting the hospital directly.

      “both parents’ resistance towards recommended treatment plans” and “overmedicalizing” the girl.

      Notice the difference now.

      both parents’ resistance towards recommended treatment plans and overmedicalizing the girl.

    • sammijo

      I understand what you mean. Ben Swann’s bloggers are steadily declining in what makes a “story” and what’s just an opinion and the grammatical errors are just sad. This is becoming more like a headline site, then you go elsewhere to seek the full story.

    • LoneWiseMan

      That’s because she’s not a journalist.

      And your pity should be with the girl who has/had an insane mother.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Double Ad Hominem.

      • Zack

        Strawmannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

        • LoneWiseMan

          That’s not what strawman means, Gregg Braddoch

    • 7LibertyForAll

      Perhaps you’d like to proofread your own comment. “wirtting”?

  • Lou

    This is outrageous, unconstitutional and it’s the incarnation of the nightmares of all mothers of chronically ill or chronically thin children! It will make parents afraid to take their children to doctors. It ends our right to raise our own children as we deem appropriate and good. Changing her diagnosis is one thing, but to take complete and total custody and control, ripping her away from loving, caring parents is totally unAmerican. Where are we going with this?

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yes, we should all be able to abuse and beat our kids whenever we feel like it.

      AMERICA!!!11 (or something)

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Strawman

  • http://www.libertariannews.org/ Michael Suede

    I want to know what the girl wants. I haven’t seen a single story that quotes her opinion on this. Why is she being ignored? What does she want? We all ASSUME she wants to be with her parents, but that is an assumption. I want to hear her say that for myself.

    • sammijo

      She’s not being ignored. No one can get to her. DCF and BCH all claim “minor confidentiality” any time they are questions. It’s a blanket statement to cover up their mistakes and abuse.

      This is beyond deplorable and disgusting. I don’t know how this family is surviving under these conditions, much less Justina. The pictures prove she is worsening in their care. They should ALL be brought up on charges of abuse: the judge, DCF, and BCH.

      • http://www.libertariannews.org/ Michael Suede

        That may very well be, but I still want to know what she wants before passing my judgement. I know if I was in her shoes, and I didn’t want to be in state custody, I would find a way to make myself heard. But that’s just me.

        • http://www.villadepaz-gazette.com/ dlmullan

          since she had been sneaking messages to her parents through her origami, i’m thinking she rather be home…

          • http://www.libertariannews.org/ Michael Suede

            So what did the messages say?

          • LoneWiseMan

            She’s a kid. A girl. A child brainwashed her entire life. So f-ed up mentally, that her “symptoms” are worse by just being around her insane mother.

            What do you think she wants? To be home with her family of course.

            That doesn’t change the fact that the mother is insane and the girl will be mentally *off* for years.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Ad Hominem and Conjecture.

          • Smarter Than You

            Not relevant, not your problem, not the state’s problem. Heck, you’re mentally *off* and no one does anything about you. The parents have the right to treat or not treat their child, this has already been established by SCOTUS. Your incorrect assertions about the family can’t change that.

          • LoneWiseMan

            They don’t have a right to abuse their children though.

            And everyone that’s remotely intelligent in our society agrees.

            You are not a part of that crowd.

      • Coolheadedjoe

        My question to you sir is how do you even KNOW there is abuse going on here? I mean really?? You know for a fact that she is being abused? Who told you?? Kristen? I am not trying to give you a hard time here but you seem pretty confident that what you see here is all there is to see.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Uh, because she’s a child, who has also been brainwashed by her insane mother?

      How is this not obvious or common sense?

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Because it’s not obvious, and not common sense. Again, Conjecture, Ad Hominem.

      • http://www.facebook.com/1033main Marci Smethurst Wolcott

        She has been out of mother’s custody for a year. I think the “spell” has been broken-

        • LoneWiseMan

          A lifetime of psychological brainwashing can be wiped away in a year?

          Wow, that’s so specific and sure.

          • Zack

            Strawman

  • C0matoes

    Kristin, most of this is regurgitated from the last article. Try giving us some new wording at least. Copy and paste shows laziness in journalism.

    • LoneWiseMan

      lol, don’t hold your breath.

  • Robert

    A clear violation of family government by the state.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Not really.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Your Subjective Opinion.

  • Nancy Bakos

    The family should stop paying for anything, if the state took custody. Also, it would benefit the family to sell anything that is an asset immediately. When the state took custody, that means they pay the bills.

  • http://www.twitter.com/triordan TJ

    This is insane. I can’t believe these doctors… at what point do we rise up and take this girl back? Who are the doctors kidnapping her? The judge that approved the decision? Expose them all.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Doctors didn’t take her, idiot. They (the entire hospital in agreement) reported the insane mother/parents to the DCF as they are required to. The DCF took her. Then teams of people and at least one judge (several times) ruled against the parent.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        On the basis that one psychologist wanted to prove a certain psychological disorder with no tests to confirm it exists.

        So yes, the doctors did take her. The DCF and Judge came afterwards.

        • LoneWiseMan

          The entire hospital, social workers, and a judge all agreed the mother is insane.

          Gawsh, I bet it’s all a conspiracy!!!! Right?!

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “The entire hospital, social workers, and a judge all agreed the mother is insane.”

            And another hospital, and another DCF investigation also determined the opposite, and the others did not have a major conflict of interest. So yes, it is likely.

  • Maggie May

    Good Lord, Kristin. How about proofreading your article before you post it? Talk about garbage.

    • Forest Sills

      Man, uneducated braindead liberals like you make my head hurt. Im not a republican either. Im a free man who thinks for himself and doesnt need a corrupt group of elites to follow.

      • LoneWiseMan

        What on Earth does her reply have to do with being a liberal?

        Holy shit, you’re stupid.

        • Gregg Braddoch

          Ad Hominem.

        • Zack

          Strawman.

  • Constitution101

    Is a wrongful death suit in the future if this girl dies under the state “loco parentis” care? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis

    • 7LibertyForAll

      There will be no blame placed on the medical gods. So far, they own it all.

  • LetsTryLibertyAgain

    “Order a man to turn over his child to the state? Not while I’m his captain.”
    – Captain Jean-Luc Picard

    • libra8a .

      One of my favorite episodes. Makes me well every time. And I’m a guy.

      I don’t have children but I’m pretty sure I would get radical on their ass for kidnapping my child.

      • Michael Langley

        Women do it all of the time! Luckily, I have been able to reunite with the daughters that were stolen away on their mother’s whim (and her ability to spread untruths in the courtroom).

        • libra8a .

          Good for you. Men are at a disadvantage from the get go when it comes to their children. They are as much a parent as the mother. To bad most judges don’t see that.

    • Zack

      HELL YES, fellow trekkie, hell yes!

  • John

    I’m against doctors in general. I had a stroke and they performed $100k of tests and came up with a big fat “womp-womp!”. 10 hours a week of physical therapy. I could not wait to get back home and get out of bed without some orderly telling me what to do. Swear to god, only getting out of there was what lead to my convalesce. Now I find taking inosital, choline and B6 would have prevented the stroke and its something the body actually needs.

    To hell with doctors and their drugs.

    • jeanne miller

      Same hear , my friend that i share a house with went through the same thing . They think cause you had a stroke your dumb . Lucky he only had a light one but broke his femur in upper arm when he fell . Went to VA , kept him 4 days and sent him home . Therapist in home 4 months 2 times a week . He is glad that’s over .

      • 7LibertyForAll

        Oh, but everyone NEEDS what they’re peddling, doncha know. Everyone’s lacking in drugs.

        • jeanne miller

          I have 0 tolerance , no drugs in this ole girl .

    • LoneWiseMan

      “To hell with doctors and their drugs.”

      Yea, to hell with them!!

      Now sit back while I take these drugs and tell you all that “its something the body actually needs.”

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Ad Hominem, Glad to see that you love your logical fallacies.

        • Coolheadedjoe

          Ad Hominem. Is the insulin I take daily a logical fallacy? How about my high blood pressure medicine? Seriously sir, you live in the wrong country if you think every crackpot libertarian funded website is telling you the “truth” you seek. Though lone has no proof that the mother abused the girl you also have no proof that she wasn’t. Though lone has no proof that the mother is insane, you also have no proof that she isn’t. The ad hominem comment you repeatedly use is most annoying along with the strawman name you enjoy throwing at the above individual. If self serving militias were to ever gain power in this country you would be begging for the current government to return. I know it is corrupt. I know they lie. I know it is nowhere near perfect. Any idiot with any sense of perception can see that. Government buyouts of the auto industry, Obamacare, wellfare abuse, illegal immigration policies and the banking industry hand-in-hand with our highest politicians. How do you think a militia/libertarian run government would function? I see wars over territory. I see public executions. I see rampant racisim and discrimination. America is no where near perfect. If there is a better place out there then please, by all means, go find it. It would also be greatly appreciated that you post such an eden here so we can all share in a peice. There were 13 states when this country was founded. Things have changed. Our biggest problem right now isn’t the fear of the government stealing our children. Our biggest fear should be the fact that someday there will be a Chinese flag atop the white house. If you think this is not possible than check out the real news. Look at what we owe them. Look at what they are buying up. Then you all will really be bitching though you won’t be able to do it here as the Chinese would never even allow a site like this to exist. If you were overheard discussing a topic such as this in some coffee shop you will be arrested. Those are facts.

          • Shin Chan

            Spoken like a lover of the nanny state. A pile of crap and scare tactics (actually you’re building a few straw men yourself here) with a few truths mixed in for credibility. Good job.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Your opinion is duly noted and appreciated. I would appreciate it if you would re-read my statements and then quote me on my scare tactics. It seems that you are simply looking for those who will blindly drink down every story printed on some hack journalism website rather than seek the truth in a tragic case such as this.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            ” This is a simple request. I too see the great American ship sinking but would not, on my best day, turn it over to a libertarian state. ”

            ” But, to become a libertarian state? That is truly insane.”

            Saying these things amounts to trying to scare people from doing so, or at least could be construed to be intended to do so.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Damn, this is really far down…

            Those two statements are not meant to be scare tactics. Let’s say that somehow this country becomes a “Libertarian State”. Let’s say that not one of the supporters of this idea are elected as one of the leaders. There will be a leader( always is with humans back to the first humans). They will have friends. What if their ideas are not in line with your ideas? This is the part that scares me. Like good old Zack. Shoot him! There are good Republicans, um, well, maybe. There has to be. The also has to be some people that are Democrats and are good. There are Libertarians that are good. Trashing what we have completely, IMHO, is suicide. What I believe we need as a country is reform. A healthy dose. I believe a Libertarian form or “government” would be most successful for the people of this great country. FYI, the liberal media is beginning to cry “foul”. We will find out one way or the other. Liberals will go to all ends of the Earth to find out what happened so they can “fix” it. That’s what Liberals think they are. The “fixers” of everything.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            What you are describing is the ‘insolence of office’, which is why libertarians are for strict limitations on the government. ‘Libertarian State’ is simply a very large reform to keep the government within its original limits.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Then I agree. I am 100% for government reform. I still am not convinced that the state and hospital kidnapped a child here. I am not saying it didn’t happen and agree that it is seriously becoming more suspicious day by day but not yet. I am not sitting here trying to tell anyone that they are wrong or crazy so I would appreciate the same. I believe Libertarians would consider all opinions even if they are not in agreement with said opinion. I consciously choose to not let headlines and emotion drive me. I cannot go get the girl out of the hospital. I will not turn to violence to have my way. The truth will come out. At some point. Keep talking about it and don;t let the story die and there will be an answer. For the girls sake I hope it is the state and the hospital because it would be tragic if it is the family. For her. For our sake too. Everyone on all sides of the fence have a stake in this. It could change everything.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “The ad hominem comment you repeatedly use is most annoying along with the strawman name you enjoy throwing at the above individual. ”

            A. Ad Hominem is what the LoneWiseMan uses to troll people on this website.

            B. Strawman isn’t namecalling, but pointing out that he’s not answering the individuals comment, but a modified version, deliberately crafted to discredit the individual’s statements.

            C. Logical fallacies are logical fallacies, and I’m pointing them out because LoneWiseMan has a history of using them to troll and attack individuals for the sake of doing so.

            The rest of your comment is pure speculation, and your opinion, which is fine, but it is also not based on any rational view that you can describe objectively.

          • LoneWiseMan

            They have proof, hence why the judge ruled against the parents several times.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            There is no proof cited by the Judge. There is also no requirement for a Judge to have proof to rule anything. That is what an appeal is for, and that is what will happen. Judges are also not infallible, and/or incorruptible.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            The reason I do not go against the lone guy is that it would be pointless. This response is in retort to all of your replies to my comments. I have not said one thing against the parents. I have said it is entirely as possible that there is a reason inside of the home that prompted the response of the state. I am NOT saying that I believe there is as I do not know. As the case is ongoing you will never hear anything that the state may have on the parents. Maybe the hospital is lying to win their pissing battle with Tufts and it has steamrolled to the current situation. I never said that this was not possible nor that it isn’t what happened. I do not know. Neither do you sir. How you feel about this case is also pure speculation based on limited facts presented by the media and the pulling of heart strings. You say that I lean against the parents and toward the state. I could not disagree with you more. I am simply being the “devils advocate” here to instill some rational thought and reason. You see, there can not be a definitive decision on this case until all the facts have been revealed. If what you believe is really going on here truly is, I sincerely hope all responsible parties are imprisoned for the rest of their lives. What happens if the girl is walking and living like a young lady should in 3 months? If it should turn out that the family is the real reason for this girls issues that the outspoken here are reasonable enough to accept that the the powers that be have done the right thing in the best interest of the child. I doubt that will ever happen here should that be the case. I still ask the question: Though I fully realize that our government is terrible, please show me a better one. This is a simple request. I too see the great American ship sinking but would not, on my best day, turn it over to a libertarian state. I hope the young politicians truly see what is happening in this great country and do the right thing to make it great once again. But, to become a libertarian state? That is truly insane. Sir, you obviously operate with a great amount of intelligence. It also seems that you seem to have some respect for my opinion as I do not feel like you are attacking me here. I also appreciate the fact that you did not use that annoying phrase in any of your replies nor called me strawman. Thank you.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            ” I also appreciate the fact that you did not use that annoying phrase in any of your replies nor called me strawman.”

            Why is it such a hard concept to grasp? Ad Hominem is attacking the person rather than the argument, and strawman isn’t an insult, but pointing out that one is misrepresenting the arguments of another person in order to appear to have “debunked” them logically.

            ” I have not said one thing against the parents. I have said it is entirely as possible that there is a reason inside of the home that prompted the response of the state.”

            Yes, while you tell people who think the parents should get their daughter back that they should wait til they have all the information, you are discussing controversial mental disorders for which there is not ONE iota of evidence that the parents have them as a ‘possibility’ – Sorry, but you’re trying to appear unbiased while being biased.

            “Though I fully realize that our government is terrible, please show me a better one.”

            The American Government 30 years ago was still preferable to the one we have today.

            ” I too see the great American ship sinking but would not, on my best day, turn it over to a libertarian state.”

            This is because you misunderstand what a libertarian state is. A libertarian state is nothing new or revolutionary – it was done before, and it has taken 200 years for it to get this messed up – Just wasn’t called a “libertarian state”. Government is by the consent of the governed. Plain and simple.

          • Zack

            LOL, crackpot Libertarians… you have much to learn about us Libertarians dont you? Dont worry, I will fight for your right to free speech, even when I don’t agree with what you say, sir. :)

        • Shin Chan

          I don’t see the Adhom.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            It’s simple: He’s basically attacking the individual for his opinion. He’s implying that he takes drugs without medical advice. Unfortunately, the aforementioned are nutrients not drugs.

          • Shin Chan

            I don’t think that’s technically adhom (what he wrote), but no matter – not important.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Agreed, it is not important. I was doing a quick scan of his trolling everyone, and decided I would classify each of his comments according to logical fallacy – in this particular case, it’s not as clear as most of them, as the statement could be read in multiple ways. (I was also going off of “LoneWiseMan’s” history of ad hominems in all of his other comments)

          • Zack

            Dont worry, I am anti trolling the troll. But Im on the right side here, the side of LIBERTY and CHOICE, and FREEDOM. A .223 round would make LoneWiseMan wise, because even a Fool who keeps his mouth CLOSED, APPEARS to be wise… ;)

          • Coolheadedjoe

            So to the rest of the libertarian supporters that frequent this site. The fact that Zack here just threatened to shoot someone who does not agree with his groups OPINION of something is the reason why the general population will never side with the libertarians. WTG Zack. Nice job. I am most likely the only one here that sees a problem with this kind of statement as well.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “Basically” lol

            Idiot. There. There’s your ad hominem. Unfortunately for you, it’s not an hominem fallacy to just call you a name. It’s only an ad hominem fallacy if I make that my only argument.

            Stop trying to think. You’re not good at it.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “Idiot. There. There’s your ad hominem. Unfortunately for you, it’s not an hominem fallacy to just call you a name. It’s only an ad hominem fallacy if I make that my only argument.”

            Actually, no, you’re wrong – If you make any insult in any argument, you are defaming the character of the person you are arguing with, and therefore using an ad hominem attack. Doesn’t matter if you mix it with other pseudo-rational babble.

  • Gregory Alan of Johnson

    The main problem here is the Birth Certificate, and knowing just what that document truly is. This case establishes that the parents do NOT truly own/control the commodity that there daughter became once the document was issued and not reclaimed by the parents as their “vessel”. Once that happened, the STATE OF claimed the “vessel” as salvage. Most will find it hard to see a “living man/woman” of the Birth Certificate as a “vehicle”. that is, however, the POV of the system at hand. Commodities are things, regardless of form.
    Thus, the objective is for the parents to have the gestation of their child without the documents being issued. Mine will never be done such in hospitals.

    • Shin Chan

      What?

      • Gregory Alan of Johnson

        Problem with English?

        • Shin Chan

          “STATE OF”?

  • derekwardlies

    I THOUGHT SHE WAS SENT HOME ? last i read they had returned her to her parents

  • http://thecountyguard.org/ countyguard

    Time for the local militia to gather and pay the (mental) hospital a little visit and “suggest” the child be released to the parents… this is a criminal and unconstitutional act by domestic terrorists! We must protect our selves and our communities…

    • LoneWiseMan

      Unconstitutional? How?

      • Gregg Braddoch

        SCOTUS has ruled many times that parents have a right to decide what medical care, education, etc. their children receive on the basis of constitutional rights.

        • Shin Chan

          The SCOTUS read the US Constitution? :P

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Despite many bad rulings (my opinion, with the opinion of others), yes sometimes they actually do read the constitution and rule correctly on certain issues.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Except when they’re abusing their children.

          Imagine a world where people are complex and some are insane enough to brainwash their kids into thinking they have diseases.

          • Zack

            The only one I see abusing the child (and parents) is the BCH, and their misdiagnosis.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Well you don’t see well then.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            You are still spouting conjecture – Are you sure you are not just projecting your own guilt on to the mother of this girl?

        • Zack

          The Constitution will always trump whatever has a problem with it.

  • Wendy Colby

    It is time that those who make these decisions be held accountable for them in whatever manner found suitable.The reason they do these things, playing with peoples lives, is because for them there are no consequences.There must be consequences for what they do to children and to families.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yea, heaven forbid kids be looked after!!!!!!!

      (Sarcasm)

      • Wendy Colby

        She has been treated by doctors her entire life and was completely responding to that treatment able to ice skate and go to regular school.Now thanks to these idiots who took her off all treatment because they disagree with the diagnosis have her a paraplegic in a wheelchair,missed a year of school or more and ruined her life.Way to look after children!

        • LoneWiseMan

          No she wasn’t, idiot. She was barely able to talk, walk, and eat when she was taken to BCH.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Proof? Conjecture, and ad hominem

          • Shin Chan

            Where did you read that?

          • LoneWiseMan

            http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

            “They were making the white-knuckled trip from Connecticut because 14-year-old Justina wasn’t eating and was having trouble walking.”

          • Zack

            Nice liberal propaganda site

          • LoneWiseMan

            Liberals are equally as dumb as you religious social conservatives.

            You’re both to blame for the downfall of America.

          • Zack

            Strawman

        • Guest

          She was responding alright, which is why she couldn’t walk, talk, or eat before going to BCH… being taken there in an ambulance on a long trip.

          • Wendy Colby

            She became acutely ill while in the area that is why she was not taken to her own doctors.Pitiful,Willful ignorance.I think I will no longer respond you are only here to argue not to find the truth.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Strawman.

  • 7LibertyForAll

    Well, it is and was kidnapping. Time for citizens’ grand juries to be reconstituted in Massachusetts. Check it out people; this is how we take back our courts and round up these filth.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yeaa!!! We should totally be able to beat our children to death if we want, because they’re *OUR* kids!

      RIGHT?!!?

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Strawman

        • LoneWiseMan

          Nope. See above.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Whatever, you are changing another person’s argument so you can make it look irrational. That is the very definition of attacking a strawman argument.

      • Tom223

        What you are apparently incapable of grasping is that no one is advocating for a “parent’s right to beat our children to death if we want”. That is a stupid argument and doesn’t follow any logical train of thought. Seems like you are projecting your own form of insanity on the mother. Hopefully you will seek help.

        • LoneWiseMan

          No, apparently you’re failing to grasp the concept that is in fact directly comparable as you inconsistent nutjobs are advocating that “the state doesn’t have a right to take our kids– grab yer guns!”

          My analogy just brings your stupidity to a much clearer light.

          • Zack

            When I grab my guns, Ill be sure to use them to protect my rights. This includes how I wish to raise my kids, as they are my kids, and it is my right to raise them how I feel is best way to raise them. That is NOT up to YOU, or ANY government entity to decide. Get that through your thick skull into your small brain. Capisce?

          • LoneWiseMan

            Tinfoil hat nutjob.

            You don’t know what your rights even are, let alone have the balls to defend them. I don’t see your name on the news for executing corrupt public officials, so just keep talking, loser.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Ad hominem.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Yeah, that’s still a strawman.

      • Zack

        No? Only when they are bad, and not to death. You go to jail for murder, duh.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Wow, so specific! You should totally make the laws and rules.

          If we beat our children to NEAR death, break their spinal cord, etc., it’s okay as long as they don’t actually die.

          lol.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            OMG…its….its… ANOTHER STRAWMAN!

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Strawman

    • Coolheadedjoe

      You make a statement like this based on an article you saw here?? Or other sites like this one? Wow. How do you KNOW it IS or WAS kidnapping?? Is there more on this story you would like to share that no one else knows??? Please tell us.

    • Zack

      True my friend! Liberty WILL prevail, we will make sure of that!

  • Wendy Colby

    Hhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/07/1282944/-Justina-Pelletier-Medical-Child-Abuse-Boston-Children-s-Hospital Hey Lone WiseMan why not find out the story before you decide to flaunt your ignorance in such a public forum.And there are plenty more sources too IF you care to know the truth.Usually one resorts to name calling because they have no interest in truth only the argument.Pitiful waste of space.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Learn to reply and type. I’m well aware of the story.

      http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

      The mother is insane and the father is equally to blame for allowing it.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Ad homiem twice, conjecture with no proof yet again as well. You’re doing great today.

        • Coolheadedjoe

          While I agree that the lonewiseman dude is inflammatory I ask you. Where is your proof? You seem to only want to believe one side. You also have no proof. You will never get proof until the young lady becomes 18 and decides to speak out. If she doesn’t then you will never know. For all anyone knows the parents were making her sick. Munchausen Byproxy. I don’t know and neither does anyone else except the doctors, lawyers, parents, judge and unfortunately the child. Maybe Childrens Hospital, that happens to treat thousands of kids every year (for many years) is some crazy radical child kidnapping facility that we are just finding out about after more than 30 years of service to the community. To willfully “drink” one side of any story you my friend are no different then those you despise.

          • Shin Chan

            It’s not so clear. Even this article, if it’s correct, has a quote from Dr. Mark Korson from Tufts questioning the very credibility of BCH. What if they are truly “out to prove the diagnosis at all costs”? It seems those defending BCH refuse to even accept that as a possibility. A hospital is run by people, and those people can have agendas to do things such as cover up bad decisions, so it’s entirely plausible.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Sure, it’s possible the hospital is wrong.

            Unfortunately, it’s also highly likely they aren’t and the mother is insane.

            Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy (MSBP). Look it up.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy (MSBP). Look it up.”

            No scientific proof that this syndrome exists. Find me some.

          • Coolheadedjoe
          • Gregg Braddoch

            Let me know when you find some links with a scientific cause, and ones that would allow you to establish that this is a disorder outside of being a sociopath.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            I never said it was clear. The members here are saying that this case is clear. I say it is not. It is troubling though. Should Children’s be doing exactly what you are saying I would be first to sign the petition to have the entire hospital overhauled and the perpetrators jailed. I never defended the hospital or the state. I just don’t agree that we have all the facts and would like to personally reserve judgment until I have all of them.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            You forget to mention that BCH has a HISTORY of doing this, this is not an isolated case.

            “To willfully “drink” one side of any story you my friend are no different then those you despise.”

            Actually, it is my personal opinion that the facts are in favor of the family and against the state, and using Occam’s razor we can clearly see by induction that the track record of the state in such matters is very bad.

            So, if you are saying I cannot 100% prove that it is not MBP then, yes you are correct, however it is still rational to use induction to favor the parents story over the state: Most of science is based upon induction.

          • LoneWiseMan

            BCH has a history of reporting child abuse?

            Awesome. I’m proud of them doing their job and upholding their Hippocratic Oath.

          • Zack

            Hypocritical Oath*

          • Gregg Braddoch

            BCH has a history of taking children from their parents using a controversial diagnosis.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            To this reply, I beg of you, list the cases with links to actual stories.
            1..2…3….GO!

          • Gregg Braddoch
          • Zack

            Hook, line, sinker.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Waiting on your proof. lol

          I won’t hold my breath.

          • Zack

            Damn, so you’re gonna go and waste air that smart people could be breathing? Damn, there goes my air…

          • Gregg Braddoch

            I don’t have to prove anything, except that you don’t have proof.

      • Tom223

        The judge gave the care of the child back to Tuft’s. Looks like Tuft’s was right and BCH was wrong and naturally so were you. But then that has been obvious from the beginning. Your insistence on pillorying the mother despite the evidence indicates you have an agenda formed out of hate rather than seeking truth. Too bad. Unfortunately any society has S@%# Heads like yourself – unfortunately society does not have a cure for your kind. Too bad – so sad.

        • LoneWiseMan

          The judge allowed her to go back to be nice to the parents/family who lived there, idiot, not because “Tufts was right!”

          • Zack

            Tufts was right. Deal with it, while I go on and say this: IN YOUR FACE BITCH.

          • LoneWiseMan

            What an angry loser.

            You’ve replied with absolute nonsense to about 50 of my posts. lol

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Pot meet kettle.

            Nonsense sometimes must be replied to with nonsense.

          • Tom223

            You consistently make argument without evidence.

          • LoneWiseMan

            You said the judge sent her back because Tufts was right.

            You were wrong. Stop lying.

      • Shin Chan

        What if the hospital misdiagnosed AND the mother is up to no good? i.e. What if the hospital identified a real issue with the mother’s/parent’s involvement, but the kid actually does have the disease that the former doctors claim?

        I don’t understand why you think it’s such an obvious case, especially since you’d have to entirely ignore the medical opinions of the doctors and experts on the “parent’s side”.

        • LoneWiseMan

          They don’t have any experts. Even their original doctor said he wasn’t sure.

          I’m not “siding with the state.” I’m siding with logic, common sense, and good ole fashion logic.

          All of the mother’s actions scream: insane.

          What normal and healthy mother would get angry when she hears that her little girl doesn’t actually have the disease that she thought she had? I’ll tell you who: a mother who is on record for being disruptive, demanding treatments, and doctor shopping until she bamboozled one enough to agree with her. That’s who.

          • Zack

            Wisdom… ROFL… you? LOLOLOLOL

      • ParentalRightsAtHeart

        Hey wiseman, you say that the mother is insane? Did you read the entire two full pages of that story you posted from the Globe. I did. As a parent, you HAVE to take the hard line. Page 2 of that also stated that there was several supporting statements from doctors as to what the parents were stating in the first place.

        “And what about the psychiatric diagnosis of somatoform disorder that
        psychologist Simona Bujoureanu had given to Justina and that the state
        had, in turn, insisted her parents accept if they wanted to regain
        custody? Dr. David DeMaso, the hospital’s noted psychiatrist-in-chief,
        points out that the mental health field has largely moved away from
        using somatoform disorder as a useful diagnosis. “It was kind of vague,”
        he said, noting his preference for “somatic symptoms,” which allows for
        more flexibility in diagnosing it in conjunction with other illnesses.” – from page 2 of your posted article.

        Just because someone works for a “prestigious profession” doesn’t make them GOD. somatoform disorder NEVER explained what was going on with this girl. Or, here’s another part of that same article:

        “Yet it acknowledged some contradictions in her care at Children’s. For
        instance, early on the staff had been suspicious of Linda’s demand that
        her daughter get a temporary feeding tube in order to increase her
        nourishment. But immediately after the parents lost custody, the report
        noted, Children’s had determined that the feeding tube was indeed
        medically necessary and Justina was given one.” – WHOOPS Mom was right??

        • LoneWiseMan

          No colon flushing too? lol

          I’ve said it before. If anything, it only proves that BCH is doing their job regardless of worrying about saving face.

          So what about the colon flushes?

          • Zack

            You need one. Maybe several. In your mouth, for spewing bullshit all over this page.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Also:
          “somatoform disorder NEVER explained what was going on with this girl.”

          None of her symptoms were explained (besides her actual colon condition which BCH is treating). In fact, that’s the reason they noticed something fishy.

          None of her symptoms made sense, they came and went, they were suddenly heightened by the mother’s presence, etc. Looking into all of the facts/history, as none of you have or can, like the mother’s well reported insane actions and doctor shopping. It became evident there was a problem.

          Stop using your emotions and think rationally. Emotions lead to stupidity.

      • Zack

        Dont you have to enroll in Obamacare or something?

      • Zack

        Oh by the way, a direct quote from the 8th paragraph in your infallible link there….

        “They became furious when the Children’s team informed the parents that they would be prohibited from seeking second opinions, including from Korson.”

        Check AND MATE.

        • LoneWiseMan

          It’s not a second opinion when Korson himself was already the 20th+ opinion.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            It is if the diagnosis involved is a new one, and a controversial one at that.

  • Coolheadedjoe

    The opinions stated here are no different than the “Radical Liberals” statements. It appears that these comments are completely based on a supposed belief rather than fact. Under HIPPA and confidentiality of the case at hand you will never get the truth. Face it. You have 2 emotional parents who may or may not be right. I have many years in EMS and while I know doctors make mistakes I have never witnessed a conspiracy like the one being strewn about here. First off, you cannot believe everything you read on the internet. The fact that this columnist chose to perceive the story and actually put it in print goes to show why she cannot and will not be hired by any reliable news outlet. It is impossible to make these assumptions on fact as she does not have the facts. Nor do I. I will not sit here and tell you that you are all wrong. I don’t know if you are or if you are not. But, I will tell you, that this emotional response to a non fact funded story on some blog site leads me to believe that whatever story this young or old lady decides to print on this site will be taken as fact. So I now will let you know that Bigfoots are real as I have one in the back yard and feed it berries. Unfortunately I cannot provide pictures as it is invisible.

    • JoJo58

      This isn’t the first case of a state taking away a child for DARING to want a second opinion.

      Oh, and the parents being emotional? When the state takes your child or something that YOU care about, we’ll see how unemotional YOU get.

      • Coolheadedjoe

        I agree that I would be emotional. My point is that nobody knows the whole story except the direct parties involved. To be so one sided without all of the facts makes the commenters here no different than those they accuse. That is all I am saying here. Perhaps casting judgment after the whole story comes out would be the proper and adult way. However, this is my opinion. I figured the members on this type of site would respect ones opinion as I have accused nobody of anything here. No name calling. Perhaps this is the liberal forum after all.

        • JoJo58

          This story has been going on for almost a year. Their attorneys have been on the news discussing the issues involved. I say that if ANY parent wants to check their child or loved one out of a hospital it is their RIGHT to do so. The girl’s health has no degraded to where she is in a wheelchair. If the state continues to “help” she will most likely end up permanently wheelchair bound, or dead.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Again, this is your opinion. This opinion is based solely on stories such as this one. These are inflamed responses to such opinions stated by the authors who purposefully want to incise these responses. Like I have said. The parents may have something to do with her illness. They may not. The state may have kidnapped the child. They may not have. I never stated that what is happening with this child is just. I do not know is my point. Neither do you. Either way I feel terrible for the child as she has been tormented by one or the other. I would like to think, however, that my state would not simply steal my child from me if I am a fit parent. I would like to also believe that the medical community acts to preserve my families health. Should this story turn out to have that not be the case I will be leaving this country, never to return. The last part of my statement is not an opinion, but, is indeed fact.

          • JoJo58

            You keep referring to stories. I wasn’t reading second hand information, I was watching and listening to words coming directly from the attorneys that are working on the case.

            You keep on believing that the medical community acts to preserve your family’s health. Just make sure your opinion doesn’t differ from theirs.

          • LoneWiseMan

            You heard it here first, guys:
            “Attorneys never lie.”

            Wow, lol.

          • Zack

            I actually agree with you. THIS time.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “I would like to think, however, that my state would not simply steal my child from me if I am a fit parent. I would like to also believe that the medical community acts to preserve my families health. ”

            And now someone who claims we should look at evidence isn’t looking at evidence. There is ample for both the state taking children without cause, and hospitals with malpractice. Should we disregard the information in those cases? Induction is your friend. Use it.

            Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone played by the rules? Why yes, yes it would. How often do people play by the rules? Induction tells us, not often.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Wow. It as if you know me! You have no idea what I believe. I would kill you to protect my son. You sit here behind a screen and preach your silly words and use your rhetoric to convince the weak mind that there are things going on that you have no true idea about. I know if it were to come to realization that what this story portrays to be true that I will be right here posting how completely messed up that is and that the government, hospital and whoever else involved needs to be severely punished for what they have done. But, should it turn out that the family has been hurting this girl and the state and hospital actually saved her I will be right here following you, quoting every word you have written here, stalking and waiting to pounce until you crawl back into the basement and shut down your paranoid little rant sessions. We shall see….

          • Gregg Braddoch

            ” You have no idea what I believe. I would kill you to protect my son. ”

            Yet you are arguing that a mother is insane for being upset with the state and hospital in this case, or are using it as evidence of her “insanity” nice.

            “But, should it turn out that the family has been hurting this girl and the state and hospital actually saved her I will be right here following you, quoting every word you have written here, stalking and waiting to pounce until you crawl back into the basement and shut down your paranoid little rant sessions.”

            Angry much? I’m not worried, see, because for those who have been following any sort of recent events, and/or the history of BCH, then you would also have my opinion.

            The irony is you say you believe in “libertarian beliefs” and then somehow believe that the state has the right to intervene in family’s lives…..You don’t really have libertarian beliefs.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            I bet the dad of the 6 kids that mom in Texas drowned wishes the state had stepped in. I bet the dad of the 2 kids that sank in a pond so mom could be with her secret boyfriend wished the state had stepped in. You only see one side of any statement. I have never said that the mother is insane yet you say I have said she is. You are blind in your beliefs. There ARE insane mothers out there. There are. Who helps the kids of an insane parent when traditional family cannot or will not?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “. You are blind in your beliefs. There ARE insane mothers out there.”

            There are murderers out there to be sure, however it has always been decided that “innocent until proven guilty” was there to keep innocent people from being punished for murder. In this case, it should be there to keep innocent parents from having their children taken.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            I completely agree. It is surprising that there has been no open complaints made against the parents though they do not have custody. This, however, does not mean that there isn’t a reason to keep the daughter from the parents. If there is a good reason, we deserve to know. The fact that the liberal media is starting to demand some answers from the state and hospital is beginning to worry me.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “The fact that the liberal media is starting to demand some answers from the state and hospital is beginning to worry me.”

            Yeah, but they demand answers from politicians all the time, and then provide them with type and air time to excuse themselves without giving answers. The same will happen with state officials.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Yea guyz, and we should be able to beat our children with steel rods and not have to worry about the evil state stepping in to take our kidz@!!!!1″

            lol

            Brilliant logic.

          • Zack

            Not steel. Maybe a fresh switch off the old oak tree though…

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Still a strawman argument, no matter how often you repeat it.

        • E.J. Burger

          “coolheadedjoe” Who owns a child. The parent, the state, or the child?

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Nobody “owns” a child. That is my answer. Do what you like with it.

      • Moral Orel

        JoJo, how do you know that the diagnosis of Mitochondrial disease from DR. Korson was just the first opinion? I haven’t seem that reported anywhere.

        • Moral Orel

          *seen
          Who wants to weigh in with their proof reading skills… any takers? ;)

        • LoneWiseMan

          It wasn’t.

          It’s on record that the mother went doctor shopping until she found someone dumb enough to agree without doing full testing.

          • Zack

            Cite your sources when you post propaganda like this.

          • LoneWiseMan

            http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

            “Just a few hours after Peters had first examined Justina, he entered a
            lengthy addendum to his admission notes, writing that he was concerned
            about the care she had received from numerous providers in different
            facilities and states, “the number of invasive procedures Justina has
            been submitted to, [and] the black and white thinking of Mom.” And he
            challenged Linda’s declaration of the mito diagnosis, saying Justina’s
            medical records suggested much less certainty.”

            “The Pelletiers had butted heads with other doctors in Connecticut —
            Justina’s pediatrician there would accuse them of doctor-shopping and
            “firing” multiple providers. And despite their fondness for Justina’s
            main doctors at Tufts, they had previously clashed with other members of the Tufts staff, who had filed an allegation of neglect with the
            Connecticut child-protection agency in late 2011. The complaint alleged that the parents had not followed through on recommended mental health services as part of Justina’s overall care.”

          • Gregg Braddoch

            He has none.

      • LoneWiseMan

        The insane mother was irrational and angry when they told her that her daughter doesn’t have a disease. That was before the state stepped in.

        In other words, she was insane and irrational BEFORE her daughter was taken away.

        • Zack

          Before, during, and after* Is what you meant to say. And its 100% justified.

        • JoJo58

          Oh, and you’ve made this diagnosis…when? Or you’re taking the word of…?

          • LoneWiseMan

            An entire staff of medical professionals AND the testimony of the mother/father.

            It’s clear to anyone with a rational brain that the mother is off her rocker.

            Facts:
            The girl was having a hard time walking, talking, and eating before going to BCH.
            The mother doctor shopped until she found one that would agree with her own uneducated diagnosis.
            The parents are on record from all over for cause disturbances.
            They’ve had run-ins with DIFFERENT Departments of Children and Families.
            They’ve had run-ins with all previous staff from other hospitals.
            The mother demands surgery and intervention even when doctors don’t agree.
            The mother got angry when BCH told her that her daughter didn’t have an actual disease.

            The list goes on and on.

            And now I throw the question back at you: your proof is what exactly? Krosos didn’t perform a muscle biopsy and said himself that diagnosing MD isn’t guaranteed and he wasn’t sure.

            So what else do you have? Oh, that’s right. A confirmation bias and the insane mother’s testimony.

            lol

          • JoJo58

            Facts? How about backing up what you’re writing with credible links.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Countless links have been posted.

            http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

            There are others. I’m not doing your homework for you.

            You clearly came into this full-on emotional and stupid, logic and reason will not reach you.

      • LoneWiseMan

        The insane mother was angry when the doctors told her that her daughter didn’t have a disease.

        This was BEFORE it escalated to Justina being taken away.

        She’s insane and you’re an idiot for not seeing it.

        • JoJo58

          LOL sorry, but YOU are the fool. The girl was doing fine until the state decided to declare that the girl’s illness was in her head. Now, she’s in a wheelchair.

          Anyway, you keep on drinking the koolaid.

          • LoneWiseMan

            You’re 100% correct…

            … except for the fact that she was nearing death when they brought her to BCH and she’s actually recovering now.

            Ignoring that tiny little fact of course, and you’re spot on!

    • Karolyn

      Coolheadedjoe: I think you are wrong here because Matthew Staver with Liberty Counsel only gets involved with such cases as these. This story has been unfolding for awhile and with the way our gov’t handles things these days this is probably 100% true. It’s a heart breaking story for the parents and the child.

      • Coolheadedjoe

        How can I be wrong when I haven’t sided one way or the other? This makes no sense. You say yourself that it is PROBABLY true. I have no opinion until the facts are revealed. What if the mom or dad is arrested on irreputable proof that they in some way caused the childs health issues in some way? Again I say, what if? Do you continue on your current though path? As I stated above, I will leave this country if it turns out that the state kidnapped this child for self serving reasons. There are many times that 1 judge will overturn another judges decision based on law and rights. If that does not happen then maybe there is more to this story then you are being led to believe. I refuse to ad nominem your comment out of respect for your opinion as well. I will also completely agree that it is truly heart breaking for the young lady. Just awful.

        • Moral Orel

          Nicely put Joe. I agree with what you are saying. The majority of the posts here are fueled by emotion and initial reactions, instead of factual evidence.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Actually, without all the evidence yourself, it is very hard to say that all opinions here are based on emotion. All you can say for certain is that they do not have all the facts that you want to see.

            It is a lazy argument to debate a topic such as this by saying “we don’t have all the facts” – We don’t get all the facts, on any topic, ever. Many here have dealt with DCF/CPS and know their despicable tactics firsthand, and it is reasonable to assume via the training methods employed, and the tactics trained into the people who work for said institutions, along with the history BCH has for taking children from their parents, and the monetary incentives that BCH, DCF/CPS and the family courts have to keep their funding (they must have researched somatoform disorder to qualify for government subsidies, and DCF and the courts must have children who are being “abused” in order to qualify for funding), that there is a definite conflict of interest involved, and therefore it is rational to accept that the conflict of interest means the parents aren’t getting a fair shake in the situation.

            And the above conflict of interest is an established FACT:
            http://www.childrenshospital.org/research-and-innovation/research-administration/research-finance
            http://fightcps.com/pdf/TheCorruptBusinessOfChildProtectiveServices.pdf

            So yes, while we don’t have the facts, we can intelligently and rationally conclude that those at the BCH, DCF, and family courts are looking out for their own best interests, and not those of Justina, or her parents, as is human nature.

          • LoneWiseMan

            “Actually, without all the evidence yourself, it is very hard to say that all opinions here are based on emotion”

            No, we pretty much can say with absolute certainty that you’re being duped by your own mind-ruling emotions.

            “OMG, KIDNAPPING!! GRRR!!!!” – dumb sheep

          • Zack
          • Gregg Braddoch

            Strawman & Ad Hominem – Eat your logical fallacies at every breakfast, to make sure you are trolling correctly.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            OK Gregg,

            I completely agree with you. Does that make you feel better? I realize now that you have a much higher level of insight and somehow know for a fact that the government is completely evil and the parents are angels. I did not realize that the medical community brainwashed me during my lengthy career working the ambulance. I did not realize that you spent summers in their house and know the ins and outs of the parent/child relationship there. My bad. Now I can see. Please, by all means, grab your guns, overthrow the government and fix it all for us poor, stupid, unseeing souls.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            LOL, so your reaction is to mock my opinion. Classy. Sorry, but if you don’t like being wrong, then stop posting your flawed opinion.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            I know, you’re right. Always. What you believe is always fact and never ever misinterpreted. This is evident from all of the
            A. bullet points
            B. Use of “italics” when using other posters quotes
            C. ad hominem (you clearly researched the proper use of this term)
            D. your ability the rationally tear down the rational

            I do ask you this though, since you are so wise, why do you confuse me with the troll?? If you know so much and are so damn sure that you know exactly what is going on with everything, then, why are you so confused on this?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “I do ask you this though, since you are so wise, why do you confuse me with the troll?? ”

            Because you are him, and/or you act just like him.

            ” If you know so much and are so damn sure that you know exactly what is going on with everything, then, why are you so confused on this?”

            Not confused at all – I’m perfectly aware that you and LoneWiseMan could be different people, however I really don’t care much – both of you are very much into your logical fallacies and statism.

        • Gregg Braddoch

          ” I have no opinion until the facts are revealed.”

          Hmm, so you have no opinion, but are arguing against the parents and for the hospital. Check. The only reason to question the facts available is when others have a different opinion. Check.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I’m still here, idiot.

            Some of us work during the day, not that I’d expect you to understand sitting in your basement with tinfoil on your head.

          • Zack

            If you like your sanity, you can keep it….

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Ad Hominem, and it’s so funny that after I accuse your other account of being you that you suddenly appear again.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Gregg,

            You know as well as I do that it is pointless to criticize a troll. The point of my posts are to let the cooler heads prevail, see what happens and then pounce on the ones responsible. In my 14 years of service at a low wage with little sleep and ungodly hours on an ambulance serving YOU I have seen some true atrocities against children by their very own flesh and blood. It is not out of the realm of possibilities here that something is amiss within the family. I am not stating that this is the case. IT IS POSSIBLE. I know it is also possible that the child is being manipulated by the state and the hospital. We all know how the family and their lawyers have to say. What you cannot hear is what the hospital and government have to say due to HIPPA law. Should the girl be miraculously released prior to her 18th birthday then we have something to march on. I have a 4 year old son who is my whole world. If it turns out that the state will truly kidnap a child for personal gain then I am out. Gone until this country is fixed.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “What you cannot hear is what the hospital and government have to say due to HIPPA law. ”

            Actually, we can hear what the government has to say in the court judgements – there is no reference to confidential HIPPA information in them that cannot be made public.

      • LoneWiseMan

        It’s heartbreaking for the child, yes. What a shame she has such insane parents (mother).

        • Zack

          I hope you never have kids. Dont want them growing up as Obamacare enrollees…

          • LoneWiseMan

            There’s no such thing as Obamacare in the insurance sense. It’s just a mandate that forces you to have to have insurance, and forces insurance companies to have to accept your preexisting conditions. Healthy younger people basically get screwed by having to pay way more than they should (or be fined).

            It’s not like poor people are going to automatically get insurance. That requires the individual states expanding Medicaid to cover them, and I’m not even sure how many states are going to.

            With that said, I’m not sure you even remotely grasp anything you’re saying, even the insults.

    • JK474

      So I’m supposed to believe that that girl is now paralyzed from the waist down due to a mental condition. Sorry, I’m not buying it.

      • Coolheadedjoe

        I am not asking you to believe anything. I just see one sided emotionally charged reaction to a story that is being presented here as one side. The Dallas Star who suffered a “cardiac event” actually went into cardiac arrest right there on the bench. It was nearly clinical death and if not for the frst responders and staff doctor at the scene it would well have been sure death. Has it been reported by anyone as such? Is she definitively paralyzed? Could she be recovering from systematic poisoning by one of her parents? Could the state be neglecting her medical care due to inter hospital conflict? I don’t know. I am saying that you do not either. We will see though. I reserve judgment until the outcome. Ons story(also VERY poorly reported on this site) that you may want to completely flip out about is the dad who was arrested for picking his kids up at school. In my opinion his rights, and the rights of his children, were trampled upon by both the school district and local sheriff agency. There is a video and there are facts, backed by law, all over that story. This story has yet to play out. I believe there is some truth on both sides of the story and we shall see what happens. Until then the jury is out.

        • ParentalRightsAtHeart

          The issue here mainly is that her condition is deteriorating. You want to see how it plays out. What happens if she dies? Whatever happened to parents rights to get a medical second opinion? That right was VIOLATED in the first place and the hospital took the stance of taking custody, without medical second opinion. That Joe, is a fact and has been the primary fact of this case since it broke last year. Speaking as a parent that nearly lost a child less than a year ago, YES, you get emotional when your child is under a threat you have no control over. I flipped my lid at the doctors and nurse staff myself. Know what they did, they let me vent my frustrations, my tears, and all they asked me to do was to keep my voice down for the other patients (which I did). Want to know why I was frustrated? Because they were trying to wake my son out of a chemically induced coma and instead of controlling the breathing machine (which was pushing air in when he was trying to exhale), they stuck him back into the coma. Your dang right I was ticked cause I was WATCHING what was going on when they LEFT THE ROOM. The next day, guess what? They did as I requested and he didn’t buck the ventilator (had a tech in there monitoring him and adjusting to HIS breaths and he was fully out that day). Also, in case you didn’t realize, there IS NO JURY in a custodial proceeding…NONE! That’s for criminal proceedings.

          • E.J. Burger

            There is always a right to a medical second opinion. Also why can a one doctor lock down a child from reviving a second opinion? There is patient rights, she should be free to leave with her parents if she wishes. She is an individual with feelings thoughts and emotions. Not property to be awarded like a slave, but that is how the state views minors and even adults for the most part. Slaves. Slave owners used to take children against their parents will as well if I remember.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Your girlfriend isn’t a minor that’s being medically/mentally abused by her parents.

            Learn to make appropriate analogies and comparisons.

          • Zack

            Medically/mentally abused by the hospital*

          • Gregg Braddoch

            hah! Zack fixed it for you.

          • LoneWiseMan

            No her condition isn’t, liar.

            She couldn’t walk, talk, or eat before going to BCH.

      • LoneWiseMan

        She’s not paralyzed. Not walking well doesn’t mean you’re physically paralyzed.

    • countrygirl

      Oh you have a big foot to one was spotted 20 mins from my house it was even on the discovery channel. And emotionally charge yes if it has to do with my child or any child for a fact a hospital takes my child or any over my dead body. Just saying

      • LoneWiseMan

        Congratulations then, you’re just as dumb as the girl’s parents.

        • Gregg Braddoch

          Ad Hominem!!!!

    • LoneWiseMan

      That sounds very logical, reasonable, and objective.

      You will not reach many here.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Because he’s the same person as you are.

  • Allan Elliott

    As a parent I have a real problem with the state coming in between a parent and child. Unless the child is in danger from the parents then yes, of course. But it doesn’t seem that this is the case here.

    • Joshua Barnard

      Not that I approve of the state doing so, but this is just the medical industry claiming authority to kidnap people. This is the far side of allowing CPS the right to take kids from parents, it is now expanded. All those well intended, “For our own good/for our safety” laws that sound good initially but eventually lead to liberty destroying abuses. The first and most important duty of our government is to secure our liberty, the founders sacrificed life and property to secure it, so SAFETY isn’t more important. Claiming it is, is an unforgivable insult to every freedom fighter, revolutionary, soldier and citizen that ever died or was willing to fighting for freedom in this country.

      • LoneWiseMan

        You’re a moron. Please don’t speak about freedom fighters, revolutionaries, etc. You’re an insult to their memory.

        The “medical industry” didn’t take the girl, the state did.

        • Zack

          You talk about freedom fighters like you are one? Just because you have a picture of Andrew Jackson doesnt mean you are. Shit, you are probably a Democrat or Republican, and I feel sorry for you. Pity party for one. $5 entry fee.

          • LoneWiseMan

            I claim to be nothing. But while you may not be officially registered Republican, you fit the bill perfectly of an extremely far-right tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist religious nutjob, who UNFORTUNATELY loves guns. I say unfortunately, because you make the rest of us gun owners look as insane and dumb as you are.

            You fit the perfect InfoWars and GlenBeck demographic (and Kristin Tate).

          • Gregg Braddoch

            LOL. I lost count of your ad hominem logical fallacies, and I’ve only been here 5 minutes.

        • Gregg Braddoch

          “The “medical industry” didn’t take the girl, the state did.”

          The medical industry AND the state did.

          • LoneWiseMan

            No.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Semantics. Doesn’t matter. The hospital was complacent with the kidnapping, either way.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Shucks! I hate when facts get in the way of you lying. I guess we can just call it semantics and pretend that you’re not full of shit. lol

            By the way, you’re mass-replying to all of my responses and I won’t be reading any of them. I just wanted you to know that you wasted your time as no one else is reading them either. Spamming “straw man” to every reply when you don’t even know what it means just means you’re a loser and have no life of your own.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “By the way, you’re mass-replying to all of my responses and I won’t be reading any of them. I just wanted you to know that you wasted your time as no one else is reading them either.”

            Ditto to you, everyone hates your comments too.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Oh no!

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Oh no indeed. You read one of my comments.

    • LoneWiseMan

      The mother is insane, so it seems like a good case to me… brainwashing her daughter into thinking she’s plagued with diseases that she doesn’t actually have.

      • Zack

        Her (the child’s) condition is deteriorating AFTER being taken off her original prescribed meds. Sounds to me like the original diagnosis is in fact the correct diagnosis. So much for “medical professional”, huh?

        • LoneWiseMan

          No it isn’t. She’s healthier now.

          She couldn’t walk, talk, or eat before going to BCH, which is why she was being taken there.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Proof of your statement?

      • Gregg Braddoch

        It’s been a year, I am pretty sure that if they were providing her with therapy for the situation and had her without her mother, that your ‘brainwashing’ would disappear – She’s a teenager, not a toddler. Teenagers are already skeptical of their parents by nature.

        • Coolheadedjoe

          Gregg,

          In all honesty, the things you are accusing the state and hospital for, “pretty sure” doesn’t cut it. Just sayin man..

          • Gregg Braddoch

            I’m not accusing the state of anything here – I’m stating that if the arguments of the state and hospital are true, they should be telling everyone just how much Justina has improved over the last year without her parents – yet for some reason they are not.

      • Coolheadedjoe

        You have no facts to base this accusation on. There are no facts stating this in any public record. Come on dude. If you’re trolling then troll something like PoGo where there are video games at stake and not some 15 y/o’s life.

        • LoneWiseMan

          I’m concerned about the girl, hence why I’m posting. The mother is clearly insane.

          You have no facts either. All of the evidence, however, is on my side.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yes, doctoring shopping until you find someone who fails to see how insane you are as a parent, then forcing medicine down the throat of your child doesn’t need down it, and then brainwashing the child into thinking she’s plagued with 50 different ailments, is most definitely not abuse.

      I hope my sarcasm was clear enough for you.

  • Patrick Kraemer

    How come there is no jury trial?

    • LoneWiseMan

      A jury for every case of child abuse? lol

      Besides, how would they have a clue? They aren’t medical professionals.

      • Zack

        Thats how the American legal system works. you get a jury trial. No exceptions. If you had any knowledge about things other than propaganda you would know this. Pity party for YOU sir. (y)

        • Jodie

          Not in Juvenile Court where this case would have been heard.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Correct.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Yep, and that is constitutional or anything. I agree that the LAW doesn’t allow for it, but I am pretty sure that family court should be trial by jury as well.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Personally Gregg, I think that any case that requires the child be taken from its family, no matter the duration, should have a jury or partial jury that is impartial to the case.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            In the cases of actual child abuse where serious injury or sexual assault happens, then there is a jury, because it is a criminal trial. It’s very telling that the hospital and the DCF aren’t pushing for a criminal trial. Shows they don’t want to be held to a higher standard than the judges “preponderance of evidence” which is the extremely low bar for proof used in family court – It’s absurd that someone can have their children taken away without clear evidence before a jury.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            I completely agree with this statement Gregg.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Nope. Learn the law of the land, idiot.

      • Patrick Kraemer

        In ((ALL CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS)), the accused shall enjoy the right to a
        speedy and public trial, by an impartial ((JURY))of the state and district
        wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have
        been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature
        and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against
        him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and
        to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.—YOU really need to read the constitution the SUPREME law of the land.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Kids go to juvenile/family court, idiot.

          • Patrick Kraemer

            Such a wise man–has to stoop to name calling

          • LoneWiseMan

            We are all are what we are.

            If you chose to rely off of emotions and have a confirmation bias, I will call you what you are.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Won’t take the fact that ad hominem is the product of someone without a rational argument, and operating off of confirmation bias.

            Pot meet kettle.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        “Besides, how would they have a clue? They aren’t medical professionals.”

        Argument from Authority. How can anyone know that the ‘medical professionals’ know what they are talking about? Who watches the watchers?

        • LoneWiseMan

          Other watchers?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            LOL. Just like the chinese proverb that says the world rests on the back of a giant turtle? What is the turtle standing on? Another turtle?

            I think there is a slight flaw in your reasoning, as there is a finite number of watchers and resources to pay them. Better to let individuals watch the watchers.

  • skeet

    Go get your kid stop bull shiting they would have to kill me to keep me from my kids

    • Joshua Barnard

      This is why we have the right to bear arms, so when people kidnap your kid, you can go get them back. It is sad that our society will tolerate this child being taken away from her family “for her own good” (which is the philosophy of the nanny state tyranny we are fully engaged in now), and worse than that, some will actually suggest this is how it should be.

      It is time for that armed overthrow of our corrupt government now, and their cronies like the medical and insurance industries (to name a few). We have an oligarchy not a functional republic anymore.

      • E.J. Burger

        Because the state makes it clear, we are going to throw you in jail or kill you if you violate this corrupted court ruling. Go along with it the “legal” way and you “MIGHT” get your kid back.

        To get this child back in reality you would need all your neighbors and community to bear arms with you in protest while the community returns the child to her home.

        look what happen to the family in florida who stole their children back over bs cannbis useage charges. Mother and father are in jail two kids now permanently in foster care.

        • LoneWiseMan

          Yea, how cum we cant just beat our kids whenever we want?!

          GAWSH. GRRRR, STATISTS!!!1

          • Zack

            Spare the rod, spoil the child! You must not have had any real punishment as a child. That explains your lack of common sense and the content of your posts. Good job!

          • LoneWiseMan

            lol. People using emotions as their primary reasoning device are the ones who were spoiled as children.

            And you’re about as emotional as it gets.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “People using emotions as their primary reasoning device are the ones who were spoiled as children.”

            Same goes for people who bully, troll, and name call to ‘win’ an argument.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Strawman and ad hominem. When will you actually have something to say that isn’t a logical fallacy?

  • Jesse Matthew Rozas

    I don’t understand how a hospital can take a child from parents that are trying to help their daughter, but won’t take a child from a home where the parent just “pray” for their child to be healed.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Well it’s good you don’t understand it, as the hospital didn’t. DCF did. It’s the hospital’s job and responsibility to report abuse of any kind.

      They did their job as they should.

      • Zack

        They should have reported abuse on the hospital (as they were originally at fault for misdiagnosis and endangering the welfare of a child) and had the child taken away from the hospital. and back into the parents custody.

        • LoneWiseMan

          No they didn’t. lol

          If all goes well for the girl, she’ll never be under her insane mother’s custody again.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Conjecture, as per usual. DCF/CPS is a mess remember? Didn’t you say you agreed with that? Then why would it be logical or rational to expect them to make the right decision in this case??

  • Matt Owens

    I just posted this on the ABC version of this story but I doubt it will be appreciated there.. (not that that matters) … “Well you seem to have the mainstream media on your side… so it’s not as if I needed further proof than the actual facts, but this additional reality tells me more than anything else could. Congrats on being at the forefront of the next trend that proves that as citizens.. we do not only need to be filming our law enforcement officals but our medical “professionals” as well. When I saw the headline from ABC that said “Parents of sick teen … ACCUSED of verbally abusing hospital staff” I nearly offed myself (Caps all mine). I hope you don’t truly believe that in the future people will only verbally “abuse” you when you steal their children from them. No.. get ready, so many people are really watching this.. not to mention these parents had professional opinions to back them up. Congratulations on seamlessly being accepted into the 3rd through 9th circles of hell (spoiler alert: I hear they’re hard to come back from)”

    • LoneWiseMan

      The mother was acting insane and irrational when they broke the news to her that the little girl doesn’t actually have a disease.

      So if anyone is claiming she was verbally abusing the staff, I’d say it’s highly likely.

      • Zack

        Wouldnt you? Let that sink in for a few minutes before you blabber off irrationalities.

        Her condition OBVIOUSLY worsened after she was taken off her original meds, or did you skim through that part?

        • Tom223

          The commentary from the Lone Fool is consistently irrational in relation to the facts. Apparently his purpose is to create upset rather than discover any truth.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Defense mechanism in progress:

            “HE DISAGREES WITH ME, SO HE MUST WORK FOR SOMEONE!”
            “THE LOGIC HE’S USING IS LACKING EMOTION THAT I RELY OFF OF!”

            Fingers in your ears. Fingers in your ears.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “Fingers in your ears. Fingers in your ears.”

            LOL. Pot meet kettle.

      • Patrick Kraemer

        Who do you work for?

        • LoneWiseMan

          Logic and common sense.

          I never bothered applying to the Irrational and Emotional Institute of America like you gentleman/women got your Masters from.

          A child was taken away from her parents. All evidence (besides testimony from the parents) says that it was just and probably should’ve been done year and years ago. Lord only knows what conditions her other children “have” that don’t actually have.

          • Patrick Kraemer

            I think your paid for your Lone wisdom.

          • LoneWiseMan

            lol

            If using logic and common sense to fight you kind’s irrational, EMOTION-driven stupidity, is “getting paid,” then I must be a rich man.

            You’re* paid

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Does ‘using logic and common sense’ include ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments? Cause last I checked that wasn’t logical or common sense.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Well check again.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            LOL, ok I did, and there’s this thing called logical fallacies, which you use frequently, which are not logical or common sense.

          • archer

            If that’s the case then why has she deteriorated under their care and her other doctors are not consulted at all, to think swollen feet and being wheel chair bound are indicators of a mental disease is stretching it.

          • LoneWiseMan

            She hasn’t deteriorated.

            She “couldn’t walk, eat, or talk” before going to BCH. She also looked pale and slender. The last pictures I saw of her were of a much healthier (albeit still in a wheelchair) young girl with more weight and overall color.

            Her original doctor (singular, as he was the only one that allowed himself to be manipulated by the mother when she failed with all of the other doctors) should not only be ignored, but possibly charged for gross medical negligence.

          • archer

            “last pictures much healthier looking heavier better color” and you say she hasn’t deteriorated.
            I talked to a woman who is a nurse practician candidate and she says the girl has systems that go with original diagnosis. I don’t think her problem is psychological, if it is she’s doomed, when did the shrinks ever cure anyone.

          • LoneWiseMan

            Oh?

            I talked with two nurse practitioners (ers, not ians) and they said they agreed with BCH.

            This is obviously bullshit, but hopefully you get my point. Your nurse friend is in no position to be making a diagnosis, let alone the fact she’s a damn *nurse* (and not even that– candidate) not a doctor. She should be ashamed of even opening her mouth. Hopefully she doesn’t make it into the field.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        “The mother was acting insane and irrational when they broke the news to her that the little girl doesn’t actually have a disease.”

        Wrong. The mother was upset when she was told she was not allowed to get a second opinion on a controversial diagnosis, and that the hospital was not going to let her daughter leave. You are trying to say that numerous medical experts who have seen Justina are all wrong without proof. Highly illogical.

        “So if anyone is claiming she was verbally abusing the staff, I’d say it’s highly likely.”

        Aww, some poor doctors got yelled at. I’d yell at them too if they told me that my child didn’t have a disease that other medical professionals have been telling me she had for years, and was a genetic one that ran in the family, and that they wouldn’t allow me to take my daughter home… Apparently, doing what a healthy parent should do when facing kidnapping is “insane.” Glad you don’t have kids, and if you do, I pity them.

        • archer

          If the girl’s condition had deteriorated then there has to be another impartial diagnosis. I heard on the radio that the parents can only see their daughter once a month for an hour and that is only with 5 staff and a police officer present. If I was her parent I insist on an examination immediately by an impartial team of doctors, I would also want her checked for any signs of sexual abuse. It seems to me that the dfs wants this kid to die before they let her leave their custody to cover up some sort of crime.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            LMAO! What in gods green Earth makes you believe the state sexually abused the girl?? You are nuts. Completely nuts. If the state is keeping the child for it’s own devious reasons I highly doubt that sexual abuse is one of them. Were you sexually abused or something???? My god. And they ask… why isn’t this a Libertarian country? You. That’s why. And Zack too with his wanting to shoot the troll with a .233 round. Jesus people. Get your friggin brains together if you ever want your great ideas to take hold. Believe me, I believe in a lot of Libertarian beliefs. I am not a paranoid schizophrenic though…

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “What in gods green Earth makes you believe the state sexually abused the girl??”

            Actually, it has been documented that there are a higher percentage of abusers working in the DCF/CPS, and children are more likely to be abused, sexually abused, or killed in the care of the state.

            “And they ask… why isn’t this a Libertarian country? You.”

            Just because you don’t study these topics thoroughly does not make people who have need to give you all the details.

            “Believe me, I believe in a lot of Libertarian beliefs. I am not a paranoid schizophrenic though…”

            Except any where the state abuses children apparently. That is libertarian ideology: The state abuses everyone.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            I agree with a great amount of Libertarian ideology. I do not agree with a Libertarian state based on the simple fact of human nature. If you put 10 3 year olds in a room for 2 hours you have a boss and at least 1 henchman by the end. Libertarian works great to the power of 1. To the masses there must be a structure. This country was a Libertarian state in the beginning. This is what it has become and will become again in time should a Libertarian state rise again.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Perhaps there is not a better system in existence, and a cycle between what we have now and a libertarian state is preferable to having the system we have now forever?

          • Coolheadedjoe

            I think there needs to be a balance. First, the people should have the vote. Down with the electoral college. Gone, goodbye. Immigration reform. I fully agree anyone, from anywhere, should be able to enter this copuntry. Legally. Serious welfare reform. Jury trials for incidents such as thai so we, the people, have a say. Down with the lobbies. Gone. Welfare reform, rather, heavy welfare reform. If those were the only thongs to change, I believe that there would be a foundation for trust for all in the future.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            All of the things you list are the tenets of libertarianism, so I’m curious, what is it that you don’t agree with in libertarianism?

          • Coolheadedjoe

            I feel that Libertarianism is a solution for one. Its ideas are true and would work for the masses when applied by a central body. ie the government. This is due to human nature as explained in my reply above. When you have one then the decisions are simple as there is only one to account for. When you have two then it becomes a whole lot more complicated. You will have one natural leader. Boss. One will never always agree with the other. The core essentials of liberty are true. “For the people by the people”. I have not stated once here that the parents are at fault and the state and hospital are in the right. I personally reserve judgment until I have all of the facts I need to render judgment. The lawyers are paid by the family. The lawyers will always side for the family. The family will always side with the family even if they are to blame for this situation. I find it highly suspicious that neither the state nor the hospital have given a solid reason for the decisions that have been made. Highly. I would have thought there would be something by now. We, the people, require and deserve an explanation for what has transpired as many of us have children and all have different opinions on how they should be treated or raised. I still reserve judgment. If this has happened in the past, so be it. That was a different case or cases. This is this case. How many children has BCH treated back to optimal health? Which is more? Should that come into play should this truly be a kidnapping case for the sake of experimentation? Absolutely not. Nor should your examples. If there is ever a true doomsday I would like to think that my ability to reserve judgment until I believe I have all of the facts in front of me, may save someones life. I also believe that there is no way that the Libertarian sect will ever gain true recognition as long as there are members, such as on this site (not all mind you), who want to send out militia groups to hospitals or shoot people who do not agree with their beliefs. That is not liberty. That is not a place I want to live. Do you?

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Oh, and taxes. Do we need to pay taxes? Yes. Should we get to vote on what the taxes are and HOW they are spent?? Absolutely. I wouldn’t pay one single cent to tax if it wasn’t mandated and I think I am a pretty good guy. This is why I believe we need taxes. When I say vote I mean every cent. % to infrastructure, % fire, EMS, police and hospitals and a much smaller % to the leaders. Keep them humble. They live with us and work for us.Drug and alcohol tests for welfare. Welfare education.3 strike drug and alcohol rehab. I pay for 3 stays then you are left, without public support, to live or die. Death penalty for murderers, rapists and child molestors. You take rights and you lose them yourself. Dash cams and lapel cams on every single police officer whenever they are on duty. They also work for us. Video in courtrooms. Us. If you are in court then you have no privacy. Transparency in government at all levels. Trust me, I don’t trust them either.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “When I say vote I mean every cent. % to infrastructure, % fire, EMS, police and hospitals and a much smaller % to the leaders.”

            Income tax = a bad idea. Flat tax on consumption. Would increase revenue and lessen the burden on individual citizens.

            “Drug and alcohol tests for welfare.” Drug and alcohol tests are largely a scam, and cannot detect most controlled substances after a day or two. Huge waste of money – in fact, it will increase the costs to the state vs the current level of welfare fraud.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Randome screens then? IDK really but there has to be something to give the addicts a reason to clean up or go away. All my years on an ambulance and guess who are the #1 customers?? PLease explain the “tax on consumption” idea please.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            A Consumption tax is a tax on spending money, and can have different forms – the one I would like to see is a sales tax. One of the benefits of such a tax is that if you aren’t purchasing, you aren’t being taxed, unlike income tax which taxes you for working.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            I could live with that.

          • archer

            I never implied she has been continually assaulted, in Ma. this is not uncommon for cps to hand over kids to addresses with sex offenders. Right now that is a controversy, the state says they don’t live there however, we have a child that disappeared and can’t be found, presumed dead, so I think you are being naive.
            If she has deteriorated it’s time for another exam.

        • Coolheadedjoe

          “Wrong. The mother was upset when she was told she was not allowed to get a second opinion on a controversial diagnosis, and that the hospital was not going to let her daughter leave.”

          How the hell do you know that the mother is not insane or part of the problem here? Is she your friend?? Do you have some insider information you would like to share with the class? Did you live with them? Just because you think this country sucks right now (which I happen to completely agree with) does not mean you know EVERYTHING. You have insight as do the rest of us. That is all. Use your fancy words and acronyms all you want, but, your statements on what is going on with the family is OPINION only, nothing more Gregg.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            At least I can demonstrate a conflict of interest with the hospital, and Occam’s Razor states that the least number of assumptions is most likely correct – to posit that the mother is insane, one must assume that she’s insane – I simply am going on the demonstrated conflict of interest from the hospital and the state.

          • iitywybad

            You know something Joe? You’re not very cool headed at all. You must not be up to date on this matter. What would you do if you brought your child from your home state to Boston Children’s to see ONE OF HER FORMER DOCTORS AT TUFTS and was instead turned over to an intern with a few months experience to immediately told you that the respected Tufts Medical Center was totally off base and your daughter had a mental disorder rather than the medical problem that both she and another daughter have?? They were never allowed to see the doctor they went there to see. Then they go further and seize custody of your chlld, even though you are not a resident of the state nor under their jurisdiction? Further they bring in a judge (that’s questionable at best) who backs them up allowing them to retain custody of your child for a year, restricting your visits, and watching your child regress from a figure skating competitor to being in a wheel chair and unable to walk??
            The pre-eminent LIBERAL legal scholar in the nation, Alan Dershowitz, was interviewed on Saturday night and he said everything that Children’s Hospital of Boston (which is affiliated with Harvard) is to use this child for medical experimentation illegally and unconstitutionally. NEVER is the state to be involved in a parents decision as to whether to take their child to Tufts Medical Center or Boston Childrens. He said it is entirely up to the parents, and he offered his services pro bono in any way he might be useful or needed.
            All these people are criminals. The family should sue Children’s Hospital, every doctor who has seen their daughter, the Department of Children and Families, and every worker who has seen their daughter for violation of Civil Rights. Further, ANYONE who ever takes their child to Boston Children’s Hospital in the future is without a doubt a TOTAL IDIOT.
            ANYONE who supports the hospital, the doctors, the Department of Children and Family is an IDIOT and IMMORAL.

  • Wendy Colby

    Look what I found…
    .When ever I notice that the troll has struck again on one of Ben Swann’s site, I like to give the heads up to commenters. It saves a lot of time and aggravation if you know who you’re wasting your time with on these forums. Ignore the Lone(notsowise)man, he’s a troll that’s targeted Ben

    Swann’s site. No matter what the story, he invades these comment sections to antagonize anyone that posts. Personally, I think he’s one of the paid trolls. When you make a comment back to the stupidity of the troll, you’re only feeding the troll.

    From the article: “Yes, There Are Paid Government Trolls On Social Media, Blogs, Forums And Websites”

    http://conbustible.com/2014/03

    “Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to
    inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the
    reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums.”

    • LoneWiseMan

      lol, what a f-ing idiot loon.

      I promise from the bottom of my soul that I simply enjoy exposing you irrational nutjobs for the idiots that you are. I don’t need to get paid.

      I’ve already said that DCF/CPS is a disaster, in particular because of the fact that it’s filled with highly irrational, bias, social worker women. So it should be obvious that I wouldn’t be “working for them.”

      I think 95% of our “elected” representatives should be executed and have their wealth in their entire family destroyed.

      I blame Republicans and Democrats (and the idiots who support them) equally for all of our problems and the degradation of America.

      Who exactly is paying me? Lord almighty, some of you people are so damn stupid it’s scary. BCH?

      You nutjobs are all the same: massive lack of intelligence and critical thinking, coupled with inflated sense of self-worth and belief that you’re “aware” of all of the stuff “normal people” aren’t.

      Go back to reading InfoWars and GlenBeck stupidity. Independents and Libertarians don’t want or need you. You hurt liberty’s cause.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        I’ve already said that DCF/CPS is a disaster, in particular because of the fact that it’s filled with highly irrational, bias, social worker women. So it should be obvious that I wouldn’t be “working for them.”

        Funny how you think they are doing the right thing in this situation – Perhaps you weren’t being honest when you said that you believe DCF/CPS to be a disaster?

        “Go back to reading InfoWars and GlenBeck stupidity. Independents and Libertarians don’t want or need you. You hurt liberty’s cause.”

        Right back at you.

        • Coolheadedjoe

          “I’ve already said that DCF/CPS is a disaster, in particular because of the fact that it’s filled with highly irrational, bias, social worker women”

          Ad Hominem;Strawman. Completely your own opinion.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            ^ That was a quote from LoneWiseMan.

          • Coolheadedjoe

            Oh OK. My bad.

        • iitywybad

          Are you a paid troll?? You denigrate Glen Beck when he was the first to bring this situation to the public’s attention. What IS your problem – lack of oxygen at birth??

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Nice new account LoneWiseMan

          • iitywybad

            You are at the least an opinionated, jump to weird conclusions, ignorant jerk! I don’t know LoneWiseMan (who isn’t so wise) and I’ve never been on this site before following a link on The Blaze, Glenn Beck’s web site that was the first to bring this atrocity to the public’s attention.

            I merely wanted to know WHY you were so quick to throw stones at Beck, but now I know why the elevator doesn’t go to the top floor – lack of oxygen at birth!. You proved my point.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            See my reply to your comment above.

          • iitywybad

            I have done what I should have done before I responded to your previous post – I have CAREFULLY read and re-read your post and come to realize that you were quoting LoneWiseMan when you made the comments about InfoWars and Glenn Beck. I hadn’t read LoneWiseMan’s comments and without quotation marks I jumped to a conclusion.
            My comment to you was to try and understand why you were castigating the first person to bring this debacle to the public attention. I stand corrected and apologize for my mistake. I should have done this before I made the post immediately following this one.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Yes, my bad, I apologize – LoneWiseMan has soo many comments, and it is hard to reply to them all, so on this one I forgot the quotation marks.

            For the record, I am not 100% a fan of infowars or beck, but I believe that they have some valuable insights on many situations. I do think that sometimes, especially in the case of Infowars, some things are taken out of proportion, so I do other research on the topics they talk about as well.

          • iitywybad

            I’ve never seen Infowars and the first time I heard Beck on the radio, I turned it off. It took a long time for me to appreciate the news that he breaks in advance of almost everyone else, and I don’t always agree with him, especially when he says there is no difference in democrats and Republicans, but he did break this story.

    • JoJo58

      You’re right. They use several different handles but after a while, you begin to recognize their writing style. LoneWiseMan is one of them. I would say that it’s too bad they can’t get a life, but their lives revolve around making certain everyone acts, thinks and does as they do….

  • Patrick Kraemer

    This is conditioning the public to accept the state owns your kids.

    • LoneWiseMan

      Yea, why can’t we beat our children to near death and get away with it?

      THEY’RE MY KIDS– AMERIKUH!!1

      If I want to stuff a pound of necessary medicine down my child’s throat that can cause serious harm, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO!!!

      (sarcasm btw)

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Still a strawman argument too.

    • Mario Gingras

      You can hire a doctor to abort your kids but don’t make any sugestions on how to save them or get a second opinion

  • “Liberal” Infiltrators at Work

    Anyone besides me ever notice how it’s always a hate article – sorry – I mean a Tate article, that gets all the attention on this website.
    If you criticize Tate, in any way, you are viciously attacked. There seems to be a large contingency of Tate groupies who want to dominate the discourse – and that seems like “liberal” tactics to me.
    I know Tate claims to be a libertarian, but lefties always claim to be something they’re not.
    Just my thoughts – now go ahead – and fire away.

  • Reality Check

    If you good folks are looking for someone to blame for this tragedy, look no further than the Liberal left and their establishment republican allies.
    All people, like this little girl, are to be murdered under the “affordable healthcare act” better know as ObamaRomneyCare.
    Abortion has opened the floodgates to mass murder of all kinds in America and across the globe.
    Prepare to reap the whirlwind for your madness, you very much deserve it, and you’ve undoubtedly earned it.