Did BLM Bury Bundy Cattle In Mass Grave? WARNING, GRAPHIC IMAGES

    By: Annabelle Bamforth
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    Bunkerville, NEVADA, April 16, 2014– Ben Swann interviewed Ryan Bundy, son of Cliven Bundy, on his radio program Wednesday. Bundy spoke about the continuing battle over the grazing land, the next steps federal agents may take, and what has already taken place on the property so far.

    Bundy told Swann that federal agents have fled the area and left a great deal of gear and equipment and that they aren’t likely to return any time soon for it. He also said that federal agents destroyed much of the grazing infrastructure on the land, including water lines, water tanks, troughs, corrals, and fences.

    The damage didn’t stop at just destroying infrastructure: Bundy revealed that their cattle, about 40 or so, had been killed by federal agents and thrown into a mass grave.

    “The mass grave that was dug was about 50 feet long, 18 feet wide, 10 feet deep, and about a third of the way filled back in with cattle.”

    In these photographs provided to Benswann.com from the Bundy family, you can see that so called mass grave which was dug out with the use of a backhoe. Already inside that dirt grave you can see the body of at least one of the cattle.

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    Bundy said that he could also see where the cattle had been killed out in the hills, in the corrals, and where they were shot down by helicopters.


    Here you can see this bull was shot out in the open:

    Cow shot and left to die

    Cow shot and left to die

    Bullet entry

    Bullet entry

    Another shot cow

    Cow shot in corral

    Bundy says that he’s been told that these were “mercy killings” by the agents. He discovered that this was not true when he realized that one of the bulls that had been killed made a large mark in the ground with its horn when shot, signifying that the bull had been running when killed rather than sickly and lame.

    You can listen to Ryan Bundy explain the killing of his cattle in the radio interview here:

    Pointing out that this conflict brought by the BLM was supposedly an environmental issue, Bundy said he found areas where the federal agents “ravaged the land” with their off-road vehicles and trucks and ran over tortoise burrows.

    When asked about the leaked information pointing to the possibility of an upcoming raid of Cliven Bundy’s home and his home, Bundy said, “Harry Reid himself said this ain’t over. What does he mean by that? Well, I don’t know if that means an immediate raid, or whether he’s gonna let things die down and raid us in a month or a year, or whether they’re going to try to come after us with some other type of legal action. I don’t know what he means by that.”

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    Annabelle Bamforth

    Annabelle Bamforth is a New Hampshire-based writer focused on promoting liberty through new media and local politics. Have a tip? Contact [email protected]

    • Celesta

      This is horrifying. It’s criminal. Seems to mean some arrests need to be made and I don’t mean the Bundys.

      • Jester

        Bundy called for their arrest. No, he demanded that the County Sheriff arrest and disarm the federal posse. The Sheriff ran away. So Bundy did what he could under the circumstances which at least sent the BLM packing.

        Now we will see if the Sheriff will redeem himself after this hard evidence is handed to the state prosecutor.

        • JettieG

          Sheriff likely reports to harry reid.

          • Jester

            and the FBI.

            Las Vegas metro police since 1980 and the following “education”

            EDUCATION
            Rochester Institute of Technology in Rochester, New York, B.S., Criminal Justice

            FBI National Academy, 206th Session, September 2001

            FBI National Executive Institute, September 2009

          • Winston

            On the payroll, I’m sure. Political graft, Chicago style.

        • nanaoffive

          Are U kiddin…he has already been told to go to his room……and he has…..

          • Jester

            so you are saying there is a new sheriff in town and his name is Bundy… Clive Bundy.

      • frankie da’ scarf

        No arrests will be made. The Bundy’s will probably wind up paying for this somehow. Maybe not. But absolutely no arrest of feds, officer’s or officials will ever happen. It’s ‘the Government’.

    • Numbnuts73

      Standard operating procedure for federal mafia. This tyranny will continue to metastasize until Americans wake up and begin defending their rights. Vote Libertarian, Vote Tea Party.

      • Jester

        If Der Fuehrer allows you the privilege of voting next time around.

        • frankie da’ scarf

          We only need beg the permission of Soro’s and his spanish voting machines for that.

          • Winston

            That’s why nothing will ever change. “It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes.” (Joseph Stalin)

      • ms

        Voting Libertarian or the crazy Tea party will change nothing, The government is owned by the big Corps and we should all know that by now.

        • Kelly Kearns

          Please, voting Libertarian or Tea Party will do a whole lot more than sitting around and not voting and handing it over to the Progressives. EVERYONE in politics isn’t owned by someone. There is a small amount of people there for the right reasons and those need to be put in positions of power. A bad Libertarian is better than a good Progressive, any day of the week.

        • Numbnuts73

          Just do it. You’ll feel this amazing breeze come into your life called freedom.

    • Godless Criminals

      Come on people – seriously – do you think for one minute that people who have done this to between 55 and 70 million children in the USA alone, care anything about a few cattle?

      They probably care a lot more about the cattle than they do the children.

      If you want to see “graphic” look at these photos. If you are human, these images will stay with you for the rest of your life.

      If you are one of these criminals who are stealing Bundy’s land and killing these cattle, you will laugh and scoff at the pictures of “legally murdered children”.

      http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/LateTermAbortions/abortedbaby29.html

    • Dooley

      Until we go old west style and start executing these scumbags on site, we will never find relief from the tyranny.

      • Austin

        If this is what you really think, I’m concerned for the safety of the people around you. You are encouraging people to go execute other people. Listen to yourself, man…

        • Death to Tyrants

          This coming from someone who is in denial of the facts surrounding 9/11.

          Give me a break.

          You need help, seek it, before you hurt someone.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjthiU2uCxw

          • Austin

            Your username is “Death to Tyrants” for fuck’s sake! You are LITERALLY a danger to society.

            • Kelly Kearns

              Actually, our own government has killed many tyrants..

            • medic2003

              Sic semper tyrannis

        • Todd Hill

          You’re a stooge, go play in traffic.

        • Jester

          If there was a person authorized as magistrate who can be called to the scene of an arrest where 2 or more witnessed a cold blooded (premeditated) murder and are willing to testify under oath to the magistrate, an appropriate gallows is designed and it was a done deal.

          Compare that to today where the public is on the hook for millions of dollars in state prosecutor and public defender fees in a trial that lasts 3 years, then housing the murderer at $100000 per year for 10 or more years while paying more for appeals, etc. before paying 50000 for the day of lethal injection.

          Yup.

      • Tanks-a-lot

        Regulators, mount up

    • K

      I want to see the people in charge of this stupidity in those graves. The federal government is currently the one destroying our freedoms. I took an oath to protect this country and it’s people from all enemies foreign and domestic. Currently the domestic problem is the worst.

      • Apul_MadeeqAoud

        “Currently the domestic problem is the worst.”

        By far. I am FAR more afraid of this government than any external threats.

    • Carl Taylor

      Where the hell are the PETA lovers now?!? They should be standing up to the brutal murders of those poor cows! :D

      • Jane

        Are you kidding, they don’t care about meat animals, their glad there will
        be less cattle so they can convert you all to vegan. Would not be surprised if
        they were not backing this so to help their agenda.

      • laten

        Maybe the cows were sick, and the Rancher wasn’t taking care of them medically?

    • Winston

      God will administer justice for unnecessary killing of animals. Obama’s national army are within our agencies. They are using mind control on them.

      • Scott Palmer

        Oh cool, so nothing’s gonna happen then like always. Good to know :)

        • Winston

          What makes you think that whatever happens has to be on your terms? Are you upset that God doesn’t check with you first before He makes a move? Arrogant fool.

          “20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” — Romans 1:20-22

    • No Laughing Matter

      Okay, let me get this straight, we are supposed to be surprised that the people who murdered JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm X – invaded Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria – perpetrated 9/11, Oklahoma City, Boston Bombing, Several mass shootings – are putting fluoride in the water, GMO in the food, aluminum in the atmosphere, mercury and other dangerous metals in the vaccines – have built FEMA camps, bought 2.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammunition for domestic use, are militarizing the police, have invited 10s of thousands of foreign troops into the country to help with door to door gun confiscation – and much, much more – have killed a few cattle stolen from Cliven Bundy?
      Doesn’t take much to get you “conspiracy theorists” all wound up does it?

      • FalconMoose

        Wow! Well done.

      • Tanks-a-lot

        Malcolm (triple mohammad) X was killed by racist blacks.
        RFK was killed by Sirhan Sirhan, not a muslim but a dhimmi

        just saying…

        • Just The Facts Mam

          As long as you’re just saying it, and you don’t actually start believing it, then it’s OK.

          Sirhan Sirhan was part of MK Ultra and Malcolm X was killed by federal agents.

    • Toffee Fee

      The next grave will be for us!

      • Abe

        Got that right!! They have had all those multi people coffins for several years now. Along with all those FEMA camps, and a few with crematoriums!! The USA has become Nazi Germany post Reichstag Fire!!

      • Freddie_thedog

        Testify, brotha.

    • Delilah Jenks

      Isn’t there something in the law called the grandfather clause? How can they run him anywhere since his family has used the land for over a hundred years? My grandfather came here in 1638 before there was a United States of America. Do they have the right to run my family anywhere?

      • Jester

        not the right. But maybe the power. Unless we the people level that playing field.

      • JettieG

        I read about some folks also in the US for hundreds of years getting run off their farm coz the govt wanted their land to build an immigration checkpoint. Eminent domain.

      • RunwithScissors

        My family was here for hundreds of years before some uppity white folk went and “run them somewhere…” and killed most of them off. Did they have the right to do that? No, no they didn’t, but they did it anyway.

    • Toffee Fee

      And right, who in DC is standing up against this?? Nobody. Any candidates for 2016 there? NO!!!

      • Toffee Fee

        Oh wait, I heard Issa has started an investigation. Hope it moves a little faster than Benghazi!

        • Winston

          Or Fast & Furious!

      • christ_bearer

        Wait… isn’t Rand Paul doing something about thi…. uhh.. never mind..

      • UrbanCamper

        Rand Paul. Stands alone like his Dad used to do and will be painted crazy by the media just like his dad was. Vote Libertarian. End government tyranny or just get used to being spied on and arrested.

    • Abe

      The governments actions sounds exactly like what the Nazis were doing just before the Allies liberated all those concentration camps.

    • Freddie_thedog

      This isn’t going to end well for the Feds. Are the lapdog media outlets doing their job to paint the Feds as angels?

    • Ken Peavey

      Amendment V

      No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
      infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,
      except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia,
      when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any
      person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of
      life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a
      witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property,
      without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for
      public use, without just compensation.

      • Lilu Kanine

        Check out NDAA re:terrorists. They will label them such.

        • Ken Peavey

          Harry Reid called them ‘domestic terrorists’ today.
          Not the cows… the armed militia.

          • Tanks-a-lot

            he called uppity Subjects that question his rule over Nevada ‘terrorists’

          • Anisha Dunne

            He’s scared b/c the world found out what a scumbag he is and people have been leaving outraged comments on his f/b page which his aides ‘cleanse’ every day. Like so many in Office, he is an impostor and HAS NO authority b/c he committed treason against the American people AND he is NOT the only one. Likely 80% of all office holders have committed some level of treason against the Constitution and the people.

        • Winston

          They have.

    • ilivefreeordie

      I’m here on the ground near Bunkerville and there is a No-fly zone in effect until May 11. The only plane seemingly violating the no-fly zone is registered to United States Department Of Interior.

      • Jester

        Does that no fly zone apply to model airplanes? hint.

      • Kelly Kearns

        There is a no fly zone there? Seriously?

        • Cliff Charpentier

          Its not a no fly zone. Its an altitude restriction. 3000 or lower. That’s normal when aircraft operations are scheduled. Around an airport there permanent alt restrictions because well theres always scheduled aircraft operations. If a helicopter is being used to hawl lumber they would do the same thing. Its no conspiracy. Just the faa taking responsibility for safe operations.

    • Enema Of The State

      This is what happens when cattle don’t respect the badge, I’m not talking about cows!

      • CyberEd65

        Badge does not make a law man. The BLM is NOT a law enforcement agency! Even if they were you don’t earn respect by doing this to anyone’s property under the color of “law”!!! This act is PURE LAWLESSNESS!!!!!!

    • wales777

      WHEN..are the Bundy’s going to hire a ferocious lawyer and set this damn thing right. Sue the Feds till the cows come home!

      • Patriot077

        Cliven should see if Wayne Hage’s son would be interested in defending him. He’s done well with his father’s lawsuits – for decades.

      • Anisha Dunne

        YOU NEVER EVER give up your sovereignty to a Crown BAR attorney!!! EVER!. You learn how to present yourself enter appearance as third party intervener the divine man, the actual injured party. You study here with Rod Class like so many of us do…http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=48361&cmd=tc

    • SHANGHIGHUSA

      I wish there were more pictures of the federal encampment that had numerous trailers and trucks stationed at. It was sprawling.

    • BambiB

      >> “Harry Reid himself said this ain’t over… I don’t know what he means by that.”
      So, Ben, why don’t you ASK Harry Reid what he meant by that?

      • gittlopctbi

        Why doesn’t the Senate ask? Why doesn’t the NV governor ask? Why doesn’t the sheriff ask? Why should Ben have to ask? Where are the leaders that should be protecting Bundy? Why are they not fully doing their duty?

        • Rick Fleming

          Protecting Bundy from what? He refuses to pay for grazing rights for 20 years and you defend him? You are as un-American as he is.

          • EchoLight

            Americans shouldn’t have to pay a federal government the right to use the land. Bundy is exercising his right as defined by the US Constitution, and as a sovereign man, to own, use and maintain the land on which his family has settled and grazed for 130 years. When you say to gittlopctbi that he’s as un-American as Bundy is, you’re right– he’s a True American, unlike yourself.

            • gittlopctbi

              Well, said, thank you!

          • Anisha Dunne

            You are either drunk on fluoride and pharma drugs or a paid agent, or…both.

          • gittlopctbi

            Regardless of the debate of his alleged fees, protect him from the Fed mob thuggery used. Collect fees using snipers trained on members of his family? Really? Why not use the normal means like lien on his bank account, etc. Why spend as much or more trying to collect the fees “owed?” And then trashing out his property by destroying water pipes and fencing. You like those tactics? And you accuse ME of being “un-American?” And where were all the envro-happy people and politicians in this? The BLM destroyed lots of the land, including running over tortoise habitats, with their vehicles.

            I just laugh whenever you types throw out the term “un-American.” It’s usually always projection, though in your case I kind of don’t think so. I just think in your case it is just the usual immature name-calling thing by a certain faction of our society.

            • Rick Fleming

              Sorry about the un-American comment. You’re right about the way it was handled by the government. Whoever gave the go ahead for this operation should be canned post-haste. I don’t buy the killing of his cattle, and I don’t know if there was any property damage. My problem with this is people making this dead beat out to be some kind of folk hero. And I don’t really much like the doomsday government haters. Sorry again for calling you un-American.

            • gittlopctbi

              Hey, Rick, thanks for the apology! Real decent of you. Have a good one!

      • Abe

        Is that you Rambi??? From the Island??

    • BambiB

      I’m a little surprised someone didn’t open up on the BLM turkeys and shovel them into a mass grave. Apparently we haven’t reached that point… yet.

      Looking at history, the las time Americans overthrew their government it was over appallingly high tax rates (3%), lack of representation and general abusiveness by the government. Tax rates today are nearly 10 times as high, the government doesn’t seem to represent anyone but itself and this BLM fiasco is just the latest in a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object… to reduce us under absolute Despotism (with all due credit to Thomas Jefferson).

      With 300 million firearms in private hands, how long will Americans tolerate their rapacious and unconstitutional government?

      • Rick Fleming

        It’s over Bambi. You can’t have “your” country back. You want to go back to 1776 or 1950, but that America is gone. Get over it or leave.

        • EchoLight

          Rick, seeing as how you’ve given in to the system, *you* may leave.

          • Rick Fleming

            My ancestor fought in the American Revolution. That means my family has lived in this country for 238 years. How long your peeps been here homey? See, the difference is that I like it here and you don’t. So why don’t you go back to wherever it is your from?

        • Brickshooter

          I agree with Echo. Venezuela would be a good final destination for you. I just spent four years of my life there and saw how Castro and Chavez took over ranches and farms and used their interpretations of the law to run the productive sector out. Venezuela used to be self sufficient in beef, but now has to import most of what they need. Adios muchacho!

        • Paulie Boy

          What a little worm you are.

          • Rick Fleming

            What a naughty boy you are. And I stress the “boy”. Does it anger you that “they” have taken your country from you? What are you going to do? I know, go turn on fox news. That should make you happy. Oh, I mean miserable.

    • Mom of 7

      Our government attacks the little guy working his ass off to make a living and feed people. .All those cattle wasted could have fed hundreds but does our government care about its people heck no.. Just waste them and put the rancher who raises their dinner out of business all for the sake of GREED. Are they going to eat tofu steaks now at their big fancy banquets

      • Winston

        I think the government is also guilty of the viral genocide of 6 million piglets recently, which has led to outrageous bacon/pork prices.

    • vet68

      Perhaps we need also to know…who were the hired cowboys?

      • gittlopctbi

        Don’t get your comment. Care to elaborate? Why would that be important? And the “cowboys” were not hired.

        • Fast Eddie

          The “cowboys” the blm paid $900,000 to steal Clinen”s herd. All the news has said so far is that they are some livestock moving company from Utah.

          • gittlopctbi

            Oh, THOSE cowboys. Thanks.

    • Boots

      A Cattle Wrangler(Rustler) WAS HIRED and paid $966,000 (paperwork has been documented) by the FEDS for the 6 week roundup, A Utah Auctioneer was also hired and paid. The Cowboys that participated in this atrocity should be HUNG For Cattle Rustling and the BLM AND THE FEDS with them Who’s money do you think paid for this Thievery. The US TAX PAYER’s US. We are headed for a Rebellion by the people This Range War is just the start. Grab your gun’s load up and Bunker down THE SHIT IS ABOUT TO HIT THE FAN AT FULL SPEED.
      Let um come to Idaho and try this shit and see what happens here It won’t be Cattle and Horse’s getting buried. The law of the land SSS Shoot, Shovel, and Shutup!!!

      • Just Sayen

        Get that out to Infowars and Ben Swanny. If that’s true it needs to be front page news as it were.

      • Rick Fleming

        Bundy is a low-life scumbag. Un-American and traitorous.

        • sasquatchlives

          Why not put on your big boy pants and go tell him in person?

          • Rick Fleming

            Only if you put on your little girl panties. Otherwise, I’ll be too scared!!

        • Layla Godey

          What is “American” to you?

        • Anisha Dunne

          YOU need to breathe and get off the fluoride, pharma drugs and TV!

        • schreib

          Another one of Reids lovers

        • Paulie Boy

          You are the traitor you piece of shit.

        • David Hemsley

          Rick, My hope is that a Fed group hits your family next. Then lets see what you have to say. Tell me THEN what an American is. You only have the freedom to make your statement because of free men and women who have died to give you that right. Try remembering that the next time you use your fingers to run your mouth. Want my full name and address to talk to me man to man ask me I will be glad to give it to you.

          • Rick Fleming

            I’m sorry, you’re right. I shouldn’t have called him un-American. He’s an arrogant, pompous ass. Is that more acceptable to you?

            • David Hemsley

              Rick, Enjoy your stay at the FEMA CAMP. I am sure that the Government will treat you and your family well.

            • Rick Fleming

              If a natural disaster ever strikes where I live, it will be a great comfort for FEMA to set up a camp for me and others affected. Thank God we have FEMA to help. This government has treated me well my whole life. I live in the greatest nation on earth, and a big part of what makes it great is our government. Look around the world , and then see how you live. Would you like to live somewhere else? It’s this government that provides the freedoms we have that make our life here the envy of the world. Stop your bitching and moaning. Be thankful for what you have and try to make positive changes. Let go of your hate.

          • Rick Fleming

            What need for us to talk “man to man”? Is it ’cause you wanna show me what a big, tuff, boy you are? For all you know I could be a Viet Nam veteran who left parts of his body in the Mekong Delta in 1970. You defend Ted Nugent’s right to call the President of the United States a “subhuman mongrel” and a “gangster”. You know, 2nd Amendment, and all that. If I call a man who refuses to pay what he legally owes the government a low-life scumbag and un-American and traitorous, you want to beat me up. Can you see what a hypocrite you are? My guess is no, you’ll respond with more threats. By the way, I’m REALLY, REALLY scared.

            • David Hemsley

              Rick, I can tell from your replies that you are right … there is no need for us to talk man to man. It would be a one sided conversation. I am through discussing anything with you.

            • Rick Fleming

              So sorry you don’t feel like a man, Dave. Good bye.

    • Larry Morrison

      The Cowboy’s or rather the Main Rustler was a guy by the name of “Shayne Sampson” from Main Meadow, Utah. A copy of the awarded *Confidential* Contract can be found here. http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/946/9714/original.jpg

    • limn

      The Feds need to provoke another Waco style raid and instigate a civil war in America. God knows this country is overdue for it.

    • A Voice From The Future

      What is happening to Bundy may be the straw that broke the camel’s back and that’s good, but it may have come too late to be the thing that saves us.

      Just entertain this thought for a moment.

      Say you were given a glimpse of the future, just like in the movies. Say that what you experienced was so horrible, and so terrifying, that you could not keep going to work and typing your little comments into Ben Swann. Let’s say what you saw changed your life forever, made you immediately stop paying your taxes, made you talk to your neighbors about what the government is doing, made you do everything in your power to stop the madness you knew was heading our way.

      It’s not a dream folks and you’re not doing near enough to stop the tragedy that is headed our way. We will be hit with so many things at once that you will be completely overwhelmed as if you had awoken in some sort of bad dream. You will be terrified beyond belief, that this is happening, but there won’t be a damned thing you can do about it, because guess what – it’ll be too late.

      Just think, for example, if the German people could have seen the future that awaited them. Would they have allowed Hitler to fool the people with the Reichstag fire. Would they have allowed this fraud to lead them down the path of guaranteed destruction, or would they have put him in prison and executed the coward.

      It’s time to wake up people, this isn’t a dream and you are just about out of time.

      • mike360000

        I agree with all but one of your statements. As a historian and having talked to many many from Germany and surrounding countries from the WWII time period, and from all the reading I have done, I can truthfully tell you that not only the German people over-whelmingly supported Hitler so to did people in Poland, France, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and even the Ukraine. There was ONE common denominator that all these people didn’t like, well save two for the Ukraine.

        While I am no fan of Hitler an honest full accounting of the history of Hitler shows him to be quiet a different person than what the *victors* have portrayed him as being, and there are good reasons for that. Just remember these two quotes, “To the victor goes the spoils of war.” and “To the victor goes the writ of history.” The history you have been taught by the media and public education is nothing but the official and *Revised* history wrote by *Court* historians.

        While I am only trying to state unbiased facts or statements about Hitler, I know many of you have already been so indoctrinated by the very same people you are claiming to despise, the government in general, that you think I am being extremely bigoted and worse in my statements. But let me add this; Did you ever stop to think for a moment that the same people you are against now, their same partners in crime have been controlling this country for over 100 years, taking them that long to gain and concentrate enuff power by the color of the law of the public that we only are seeing the results of it today. And it is those same people that had you and your ancestors fight in two World Wars in order they hold onto and gain even more power. And it was they who have made it possible for you to have learned all the history they way you now know it. Now do you think such people with such intents is going to want and to allow you to learn HONEST truthful history? You tell me….

        Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
        Classical Historian Western Civilization

        • mike360000

          I’m gonna throw ya’ll a freebie I just wrote for my FB page and another blog. It tells you why the raid on Cliven Bundy’s was possible. Or rather why Cliven Bundy has no real rights to the land any longer. Matter of fact it explains why NONE of you have any rights any more but only PRIVILEGES.

          Defining the 14th Amendment Section 1

          People must understand that in a totalitarian government it
          matters not what the excuse is. (As in the case of Cliven Bundy) The excuse is just used as a pretext for
          their real agenda. This is why the US Constitution is no longer in
          effect and hasn’t been since 1865. Although the real damage was done
          with the 14th Amendment in 1868.

          Consider how the 14th Amendment allowed Tim (A friend of mine and pastor) and his house
          to be invaded and his son arrested on frivolous and bogus charges. (Of which he was exonerated. Tim never had the first charge against him.) The
          14th Amendment conferred ALL Rights and powers of the States and People
          to the Federal Government. This means what you now consider as your
          rights, which are actually now your privileges, is actually granted to you by
          the Federal Government. These privileges, what you think are rights can
          now be determined by congress, the president or the Federal Courts. The
          Federal Courts are mainly used to decide cases where people challenge,
          the Constitutionality of the privilege in question, and how it is or is
          not applied to them by the State or Federal Government or by another
          person or group. And this is worse than asinine…. Am I sounding outlandish or worse to you?

          Let us again look at Section 1 from the 14th Amendment and decipher and analyze it.

          “Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,….”

          Fairly straightly stated, but it is defining who belongs to the Federal Government, which you see in a moment.

          “….are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

          This clarifies the rest of that first clause claiming those people as
          belonging to AND OWNED by the United States Government. However if one
          notes the District of Columbia and US Territories are NOT directly
          included. There is a reason for this, as the writers were by no means
          stupid.

          “…No State shall make or enforce any law which shall
          abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
          States;…”

          Now, really think about the above clause. What is
          it really saying? The powers of the States as granted by the 10th
          Amendment have been voided, being removed from the States. This also
          means that the States cannot and do not have the power to have final say
          over their citizens, which have reverted their full citizenship, and
          their rights, over to the Federal Government.

          “…nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;…”

          The 14th Amendment is further defining the extent and scope of their
          control over the States. Due process, the final ruling in ALL court
          cases now rests upon the Federal Courts. This is why the Federal Courts
          since 1865 receive many requests from cases that should be left in state
          courts, but such cases can be appealed to the Federal level in seeking a
          Federal remedy to the matter, which was not possible before 1865 when
          the States and People were Sovereign. Accordingly then, the final say
          rested in the State Courts unless the issue actually involved a
          Constitutional issue.

          “…nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

          The law here is actually referring to Federal Law. Although the State
          has the first say as to how their laws will read. This works fine and as
          the old US Constitution intended until someone challenges it in Federal
          Courts. This again gives the Federal Courts final say which shows their
          supreme authority over the States and people, just as stated in the
          previous explanation above.

          Michael– Deo Vindicabamur

          Classical Historian Western Civilization

          • mike360000

            And the response back from the pastor mentioned above, when he read my article.

            Tim
            Manning Thank you Mike Lamb. The words “No State shall . . . ” and “nor
            shall any State” had not appeared in law before. This is why the war of
            1861 was fought. Southern Statesmen and civilians understood the
            tyranny of Lincoln’s “Imperial centralism.”
            This is where so many yankee thinking bankers and businessmen learned
            that real changes in American government were best made by assassination
            beginning with the business men of the Knights of the Golden Circle in
            the northern States “Executing” Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln did not died at
            the will of Southern leaders, but rather at the will of northern
            businessmen. There were NO northern Statesmen. This was the end of the
            American View of freedom and liberty. E-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g now is just
            chatter. Under tyranny only shed blood speaks. I wish I were wise enough
            to be a threat to the status quo of tyranny, but I lack sufficient
            blood to make a change.

          • joojubee1

            Wow.. I have never heard it put this way.. scary and sad. Mostly sad, to think we, the ‘free’, aren’t really free, are we? May I keep this post for future use? With credit, of course.

            • mike360000

              That’s what I posted it for, to spread the truth. Pass it along as much as you can. While I wrote the piece on the fly it can be greatly expanded upon. There is much more to it than what I wrote. Nor do I even care if you give credit for it. Passing it around is far more important.

              I have many more writings on my FaceBook Wall. Iif you go to FaceBook look me up there and start reading. Also the friend I mention Tim Manning (from Kernersville) is also on FB. He writes similar and is a real pastor/preacher.

              Unfortunately our writings, being from the old school of history and education are far removed from what has been taught for the past 50 years and people has no conception that what we write was our original history. Few people understand that before 1861 one’s country was their state, country being singular, and the USA was our country being plural. Meaning as an individual I came from the state of xxx, but *we*, you and I came from the USA. The word *Nation* was never used or referred to the USA until Abraham Lincoln used it during the war. Also another misunderstanding by people is, the Federal Government or the DC Government did NOT create the Federal Government or the states, it was the States that originally created the Federal Government and they gave it very *Limited* powers. I could go on for days on these things; but what’s the point? People are so far indoctrinated they will never be able to comprehend and accept the truth as the wrong people now control every aspect of our lives, especially that of education which is needed most of all in knowing and making sound judgements. This dumbing down of the public, like Common Core is done for that specific purpose of keeping people from learning the truth, and it is working perfectly.

              Glad you like the article… Google this, “14th Amendment Fraud” or “Hoax”. You’ll learn volumes more… You’ll know the truth when you read it!

              Michael– Deo Vindicabamur

        • Paulie Boy

          Funny how Stalin is never the boogeyman and how not one movie has been made about the Holodomor. Of course, most americans are semi-tards.

          • mike360000

            Exactly!
            Also note, Germany did not attack Poland alone. The USSR also attacked Poland with Germany, albeit a few days afterwards. There had been a secret pact between Hitler and Stalin to split up Poland between the two countries.

            What we need to ask ourselves is this critical question; WHY didn’t France and Great Britain also declare war on the USSR instead of just Germany? Wasn’t the USSR also guilty of the same thing France and Great Britain accused Germany of? Why only single out Germany and not the USSR? I have actually asked this to other academic historians, and all those following the *Revised* history has never given a satisfactory answer.

            I know the answers but the public has been too indoctrinated by Revised History to ever easily accept my answers.

            Michael– Deo Vindicabamur

          • Julie

            We know about the Holodomor. At least those of us who are interested in history. You wonder why there is no movie? Why the Armenian massacre is not recognized as a holocaust? Ask the liberals in Hollywood. As for Stalin or Lenin or any Marxist. Again, the left is fascinated with dictators since total control is what they want. Look how they whitewash Che Guevera, as a freedom fighter. They fawn over Chavez, Castro. And textbooks are written by liberals.

      • joojubee1

        Yes yes YEESSSSS!!!! You are so very very right, VOTF.. It will be too late *IF* we don’t do it now. With level heads and a common vision. *IF* people would stop and think how to achieve what is necessary, stop the childish ‘Yeah! What he said!’ postings and get off the collective butt, but in a well organized and WELL BEHAVED way, we could do this.. I think the Bundy Ranch thing is a direct off shoot of the Tea Party movement, which is good, as long as ‘we’ can direct our actions forward as adults, not sideways or backwards acting like unconstrained teenagers.. Forward, Ho!!

      • Rick Fleming

        Please stop. I can’t sleep at night thinking of your oh so very scary “doomsday”, “sky is falling”,” boogey man’s coming”, “monster’s under my bed” scenario!!! What do we do?!?, what do we do?!? RUNNNNNNNN!!!!! RUN FER THE HILLS!!!! GRAB YER GUNS N” BOOLITS!!!! Please, please, please………….go back to the future.

    • PouponMarks

      Where is PETA, for this inhuman slaughter of animals?

      • Anisha Dunne

        PETA IS A FRONT ORG FOR U.N. AGENDA 21…just like EPA and ‘ecology’ change agents. Real people just use common sense and heart. What is even MORE egregious is the surmounting mind control of ‘save the animals’/’save the environment’ programming the people and distracting them so much they don’t even realize their own minds lead them AWAY from knowing the Constitution that was created to BIND those who held Office and limited their power by the BILL OF RIGHTS. The thing is, if American people lose their RIGHTS all b/c they consented to mass deception ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WILL EXIST on this planet! This message is for those who are still stuck focusing on ‘dead cows’. Those dead cows are YOU!

        • blakmira

          I used to be a supporter of PETA in the 1980s when they first started & I can guarantee you, they’re no “front org for Agenda 21.” Originally they educated the public exposing the hidden cruelty to animals going on in government-sanctioned enterprises like vivisection labs, factory farms, etc. Believe me, they were definitely enemies with all the government organizations that sprang up to promote animal enterprise in the big business of meat, fur & experimental research.

          But since then they’ve become really watered down and have backed off the animal rights stance. Now they’re just a typical pink-ribbon-type non-profit org, all about collecting funds under the guise of “animal welfare reform.”

          • Anisha Dunne

            Yes, of course it always starts out bona fide b/c the people involved believe this is the way to DO something about it. But here’s where the psy op begins. When any group of people ‘register’ any ‘organization’ with the corporate government,inc., it becomes an ‘asset’ of that U.S.corp and they most certainly DO control it if those running it are going counter to corporate policies of U.S., inc. They are ALWAYS, ALWAYS infiltrated one way or another. We know these tactics to be classic ‘Jesuit’ /CIA tactics b/c they are the ultimate militia of the Vatican and they always act in disguise. One has to know the history of the Jesuits to KNOW when it is in your midst.

      • blakmira

        You asked where was PETA in regards to animals being killed by the BLM — well, here you go. It wasn’t hard to look up. This is the story underneath the story:
        http://www.peta.org/blog/wild-horses-need-voice-today/

    • Kyle Hardaway

      This comes down to Agenda 21.

    • GRAMPA

      We need to get some closeups of these agents on the internet and let their families and neighbors see who they live next to. Maybe if they were no longer able to look their children in the eye and tell them your dad protects your inalienable rights. I am sure it is illegal to shoot animals from a helicopter. Someone must have videos on their phone. we saw many phones out lets get those pict’s out and show this nation who these thugs are.
      Grampa

      • PWe72

        Why do you think they were wearing face/ski masks? At one time only undercover officers covered their faces to keep from being identifiable so they could continue to work “in the field”.

      • 777dove

        I have researched “INALIENABLE” vs “UNALIENABLE”. There is a huge difference here and we all need to know it. They are NOT interchangeable. ‘IN’ refers to rights that can be BOUGHT and SOLD. ‘UN’ refers to rights that cannot be BOUGHT OR SOLD.

    • FRANK

      I bet the feds didn’t get any permits or do any or do any environmental impact statements which are required by law, before they disturbed the land. They have to ! There are all kinds of things that they didn’t do like dust control etc And YES, WHERE WAS PETA !!!.

    • ImTellinYa

      Reid is part of a government that is the deadly enemy of its own country; a government that is systematically destroying our economy, imposing a draconian tyranny, enforcing the law against Whites and refusing to enforce the law against nonWhites while facilitating a massive invasion of hostile third-world savages that will utterly destroy this country.

      Under the likes of Reid and that affirmative-action parasite currently defiling the White House, the government has forfeited all claim to legitimate authority. All they have now is arbitrary oppression implemented by brute force.

      • Rick Fleming

        Gosh, I think I’m gonna cry now. Boo hoo. O.K., I’m better now. You really had me scared there for a minute. I thought the boogey man was comin’ fer us!

        • Annie

          GFY. I’m sure you’re all you’ve got.

          • Rick Fleming

            Thank you for not disappointing me. Just the type of vile response I have come to expect from Tea-bag wing nuts!

    • Hugh Murray

      The feds shot a woman to death in D.C. recently, closed open air monuments which had no guards to begin with,held people under armed guard in National Parks, so maybe they aren’t through acting like the bullies we know they are.

    • FoundersWeep

      What the F??? W-H-Y are you, BSwann, and the rest of the us – yes, I’m a right winger – doing this?? In what way, do you suppose, exaggerating TWO dead cows as ‘mass’ killings?? No one will, first, believe ANYTHING FROM US in the future, if we exaggerate the damage! Geeeeeeez.. Also, ‘we’ looked like a bunch of hooligans when ‘we’ were out there screaming at the BLM, who I might say, was stepping all over apparently our constitution, but ‘we’ looked like we were on the edge of personal control – NOT good optics! Not by a looong shot. ‘We’ need to act as if ‘we’ are on the right side of the law! ‘We’ need to act like the adults here! Lets get it together, people.. ‘we’ have a message, and guns, shouting down the government, getting in their faces is NOT THE WAY TO GET OUR MESSAGE OUT AND GET ANY TYPE OF SYMPATHY! ‘They’ will rightly be able to point to us and state that ‘we’ are rednecks, bordering on ‘domestic terrorists’, as Reid claims.. GET IT TOGETHER. I wanna support ‘us’, but I can’t support that type activity..

      • Bob G

        Paid government troll? You know what sunshine, we’ve been giving into these left wing fanatics for decades. Somehow an entire entitlement generation has sprung forth, homosexuality is praised while Christians are sneered at. Drug use is now legal and our own government steps all over our Constitution while trying to intimidate it’s own people. You’re no ring winger or conservative or Patriot. You can’t even write a legible blog. God Bless those that stood for Freedom in Nevada. Mom’s calling you for dinner so come out of your basement lair.

        • mre2000

          Yea and “ring winger” is a legible comment. lol

          • Bob G

            48 comments, 76 votes? You liberals don’t have much of a following, do you?

            • Rick Fleming

              Not much of a following? Obama elected twice and Hillary soon to take his place? Looks like you Tea Party wing-nuts are the ones who don’t have a following. Now, stomp your feet and flail your arms in the air. Does that feel better?

            • Bob G

              People have wised up. Especially the oatmeal brained college crowd. The pendulum is about to swing the other way. Stock up on your weed stoner.

            • Russell Smith

              Yeah, the country is full of government tit suckers. does that ring a bell? But soon this upcoming unpleasantness will take care of a whole bunch of them, and the middle of the fence wont be safe to try to balance on. Your gonna have to pick a side and there wont be no neutral ground in between like there was in 1861….

            • Rick Fleming

              Your piss-ant-tea-bag-wacko numbers are pathetic. Your “side” is made up of a bunch of hate filled malcontents, few in number, thank God. You look for any excuse to spew your hate filled agenda. Your so-called “tea party” will soon be over. “This upcoming unpleasantness”? The government of this country is the reason you can make your silly, veiled threats and not have some government goon breaking down your door. No one really takes you boneheads seriously. “Yeah,the country is full of government tit suckers” ? Your boy Bundy is a tit sucking poster-boy. Using government owned land for 20 years without paying for the grazing rights? The other ranchers around this bozo think of him as a “welfare rancher”. So who “sucks the government tit”??

            • Russell Smith

              I do not ask, nor want this governments permission for my RIGHTS. Nor do I live my life by the governments leave. And the government would do well to pay attention to when it’s citizens speak, for it is they that hold the power of life and death in their hands over tyrants. History has shown, hell is full of tyrants, as well as history has shown it is the average citizen that has put them there….

        • Herbert Napp

          Right there with you until “drug use is now legal”. I bet you’d love to enforce your social conservatism with an arm of the government right? Sounds SO different than what’s going on now. You’re worse than the shill

          • Bob G

            Why do you stoners go ape when someone disagrees with drugs?

            • Herbert Napp

              Nice judgement. Enforce your social laws elsewhere, Statist.

            • Rick Fleming

              Oh my, I agree with you on something. See there, common ground.

            • Bob G

              I don’t enforce anything. I simply concur with the majority of Americans. Again, why do you stoners go nuts when drugs are the discussion?

            • Rick Fleming

              If you concur with the majority of Americans, then you support legalization of recreational pot. Thank you, Bob G! Do all the “stoners” have your permission to get high now?

            • Bob G

              You are absolutely right. 58% of Americans favor marijuana. I should have guessed that thought. They put Barry in the Whitehouse twice. Go ahead kid, roll another one, just like the other one…….. and go to your burger flipping job. Looks like it ain’t my country anymore.

            • Rick Fleming

              I’m actually not a kid. I’m a 60 year old health care worker. But why do you put down people who work flipping burgers? I think most of them are just working hard, trying to make ends meet. Shame on you if you think yourself somehow better than them. And what do you really have against pot, other than something negative you heard or read? Have you ever tried cannabis? If you haven’t, you shouldn’t put down people who enjoy it. Every year hundreds of thousands die from the drugs nicotine and alcohol. Never a documented case of anyone ever overdosing or dying from cannabis. I think we should legalize it, tax it, and regulate the sales of it, just as we do with cigarettes and alcohol. Good-bye drug cartels!

            • Bob G

              No one died from marijuana huh? Haven’t been reading the news, have you? And the drug cartels? They’re having a ball out west by undercutting the stores. Again, read up. And I’m thrilled knowing that all of you stoners can get behind a wheel too. Your words tell me you’re a mindless liberal hoping for that impossible utopian world. And no I do not have a lot of respect for those kids behind the burger counters. The majority of them barely have a grasp of the English language.

            • Rick Fleming

              Your idea of reading the news is wing-ding sites like this, and Fix News. Please Bob, don’t try to tell others how to live their lives. Isn’t that part of what you wackos are all about. Again, go suck down yer booze, and puff on yer big ol’ ceegar, all the while tellin’ others they can’t smoke that there nasty ol’ weed! What a hypocrite you are.

            • Herbert Napp

              Why are you assuming I’m a stoner and not someone who believes in individual liberty as long as it does not directly interfere with yours? Goodness. Statism is a disease and I think you have it

            • Rick Fleming

              No one is making you smoke pot, are they Bob? Now, go back to your six pack and yer Lucky Strikes.

            • Bob G

              Don’t smoke Lucky Strikes man. Romeo Y Juliet, Reserva Real, Churchills. Yea, I know, flippin’ burgers at McDonalds you have no idea. So why don’t you go “Roll another one, Just like the other one, And pass it over to me”.

            • Rick Fleming

              I shoulda node you was one them bad-ass, ceegar chompin’, tuff guys. Forgive me for introodin’ on yer red-neck, shit kickin’ site. I’ll be shor’n leeve now. Toodles, Twinkie!

      • mre2000

        I already don’t believe a thing. I’ve seen this sensationalized story propagating for two days now. Two dead cow pictures and picture of a hole with some unidentifiable brown spot. And suggesting its full of dead buried cows. Making arguments like this cheapens the entire argument. I’m LMAO at the nonsense being posted over this. Whackadoodle central. lol

        • Annie

          Where do you live? What the hell do you know about anything outside of your bubble? There are far more pictures than this asswipe. You see nothing. I bet you wouldn’t risk a hangnail much less your life. Useless destructive ignorant lib. Coward.

          • mre2000

            “There are far more pictures than this asswipe.”

            Oooh I love it when you get angry. If there were other photos they would be here “asswipe”. See the headline? “WARNING, GRAPHIC IMAGES!” Wow man that was graphic. This is a trumped up pile of steamy bullshit for you peple to eat up with your whackadoodle gullibility. What you have here is a photo of one dead cow, and another thats dead under a fence. Dying with your head under a fence isn’t indicative of being shot by the feds. Its more indicative of getting stuck under a fence and dying there. Nobody took a photo of the bullet wound on that one did they? My God look at all the blood! Its a slaughter! The “mass grave” is a hole in the ground with a scary headline. Nobody moves the dirt around so you can even see its a cow. lol But plenty of headline propaganda “WARNING, GRAPHIC IMAGES!” Yea man that was brutal. lol You clowns will believe anything. So un less you’re standing over dead cows taking pictures, you don’t know any more than anybody else. Better run the govt is coming for you, in a week you’re gonna be in a FEMA camp and all your guns will be confiscated! MORON.

            The whole thing got worked out for now, unfortunately stupid is permanent.

          • Bob G

            Ease up Annie. They are the losers. They just don’t know it yet.

          • Amanda Ferryman

            I’ve been looking I’ve seen a few more than this, but it only seems like there are maybe a handful of black cattle and then the two bulls. That’s all I’ve seen.

            • Julie

              What I meant was there are various pictures of this and others of the poor condition of the cattle that were penned up without adequate water. Plus calves separated from their mothers. I try to ignore ignorant trolls like mre2000 but it’s tough when you know they’re the reason we’re in the bad shape we/re in. Sometimes you have to vent. Annie/Julie

        • birsalma

          Let’s see now. Out in the middle of nowhere, ‘trespass’ cattle rounded up, no fly zone overhead, no oversight by anyone other than BLM, healthy cattle shot dead and big excavated pit in the vicinity. Dump trucks and backhoes. Gee, now what could all that mean?

          • mre2000

            Show me a dump truck. Show me a backhoe. Not a single photo. Even the aerial photos that Bundy posted didn’t show a single dump truck, backhoe, or even a trailer to haul them in and out. You’re so quick to believe all this. Big hole in the ground. Must be a mass grave. Ok. I didn’t argue a single one of any of the points here that can be backed up, only the propaganda that doesn’t pass muster. A cow with a wound that couldn’t come from more than a .22 slug? Yea the BLM is mass murdering cattle with .22′s. lol When someone like Bundy states “I’m a citizen of Nevada and a citizen of Clark County” his understanding of law is already suspect since he is not a citizen of either. He is a citizen of the United States and a RESIDENT of Nevada / Clark County. When you miss the simple stuff how can you be expected to understand anything more complicated. Thousands of protestors, and nobody got a single photo of any of this equipment, someones guns being taken away, or any of the other propaganda nonsense that you people are so quick to believe because someone said so on the internet. Considering everyone on the planet has a camera in their hand and captures every little move, maybe you should take a closer look and ask for EVIDENCE.

            • blakmira

              I tend to believe your point of view. There is always an agenda when the mainstream media covers something. It usually entails a law they want to pass and/or a big diversion of what’s really going on. I do know that the BLM is heavily involved with rounding up every last wild mustang horse on that land until they are extinct & there’s plenty of footage of them doing it. Of course the protestors or media couldn’t care less about these majestic creatures who *were on the land first*.

            • James Turner

              mre2000 you are so ignorant that no one could discuss this issue with you, but I will try to correct you on a few points. Apparently you do not know what size of a round that an m-16 uses. For your information it is a .223. That is approx. the same size as a .22. Also the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that we are citizens of the states that we reside in. And that is a cow in that mass grave. I will say goodbye to you Rory for now. Please get back to your crack-pipe.

          • Rick Fleming

            Boogey man, comin’ ta git ya. What else could it mean?

          • Rick Fleming

            If you knew anything about raising cattle, you would know that ranchers always have sick, dying, and dead cattle. Some they euthanize by shooting them. Then they bury them. Operation the size of Bundy’s would certainly have a pit something like seen in photos.

            • Bob G

              28 comments, 16 votes. You really have a following there Ricky. But you keep it up boy, maybe you can change the world.

            • Rick Fleming

              Thanks for your support, Bob G.

            • Amanda Ferryman

              That’s true. You have to bury cattle in a huge hole like that. I grew up on a farm.

      • Rick Fleming

        Someone from the right speaking with reason. How refreshing. Thank you FoundersWeep.

        • BMW Metro

          The government will eventually put the left wing useful idiots in such a grave when it no longer has a use for them.

        • Annie

          You can tell he’s not from the right anymore than you are. Babbling ignorance, city pretty boy low info wannabees. Are you a tag team on sites? Your days are done.

          • Rick Fleming

            The great thing is that it is you and your kind who are done. And you know it. That’s why you are so nasty and hateful. Please do, ramble on. It’s kinda fun to listen to you go apoplectic and blow head gaskets. O.K., now respond with something like “GFY”.

            • Herbert Napp

              I believe it’s you who are done, and you know it. You’re clearly the new “minority” in this democracy that should be a republic. Good luck!!!!!!

            • Rick Fleming

              The new minority? Time for reality to kick in here, Herb. While you bury your head in Fox News sand, the demographics are changing, and not in your favor. All them nasty people with skin color other than yours are having a lot more babies than us white folk. Do you know what that means Herb? Yes, that’s right, Herb , you got it! They all vote Democratic! Why, you ask? Probably because they are smart enough to know that Republicans and tea party wackos like you want to keep whitey in charge of everything. You’re out, Herb.

            • Herbert Napp

              Talkingpoints.docx isn’t helping you that much. Your ability to antagonize just by repeating the user’s name over and over is pretty tired. I’ll see you after midterms, “Rick”.

            • Rick Fleming

              I’m talkin 20 years from now, “Herbert”. You can have the mid-terms. It’s all about long term. You should have said my “attempt”, instead of my “ability”. It makes me believe I have antagonized you. I have never felt antagonized by you. I know the truth is hard to accept sometimes, but the truth is…… your out, “Herbert”. p.s. what happened to those links you promised me to be a “paid shill”? And thank you for thinking that I’m so good at this that I could get paid for it. That’s quite a fine compliment.

        • joojubee1

          See,the problem with those folks that are flaming me/you is that THEY the antithesis of Al and Jessie – ideologues that refuse to see that ‘we’ may be causing some of our own problems. The benefit Al and Jessie, Obama, Reid and Pelosi is that they have most media, higher education and elementary education in support. ‘WE’ have to be our own best advocates – we’re not going to get any public support, which is the ONLY way to make the changes we need, if ‘we’ look like jacka$$es. Remember Becks ‘Restoring Freedom’ (or whatever one it was)? The images were of a peaceful people, hundreds of thousands of them, just standing, not making spectacles of themselves, they left the joint spick and span, which contrasted amazingly against OWS and the MillManMarch, which looked like a trash strike.. ‘We’ looked like well behaved, nice, good people – and it WORKED! I don’t understand how the folks here that are spewing hate to you and I can’t remember that far back – it wasn’t really that far back! Control ourselves, or it’s ‘us’ that can kiss our own a$$es goodbye. We will loose the fight.

      • Herbert Napp

        Get it together? Right side of the law? Oh, look, there’s the word rednecks. Lots of platitudes and namecalling with no ideas or specifics of your own posted. What’s up, you lump of **** shill?

        • Rick Fleming

          “Lot’s of platitudes and name calling” and you end it by saying “What’s up, you lump of **** shill”? Are you really so ignorant that you can’t see you own hypocrisy?

      • Paulie Boy

        You are either a coward or you are a slave to Washington.

      • Annie

        STHU. I suppose you’d show up in suit and manpurse. Sunscreen and big shades. A panama hat. No. YOU wouldn’t show up to anything more strenuous than a lawn party. Leftist piece of useless crap.

        • joojubee1

          You, Annie, are very wrong.. I am a die hard conservative, not republican, but CONSERVATIVE, constitutional conservative.. and, BTW, very active in local tea party and conservative activities.. Nice of ya to paint with broad (wrong) strokes, there. And, for info, I would use sunscreen – wrinkles don’t look great on my FEMALE face.. Nice try, though. And the point still stands – WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO IF ‘WE’ LOOK LIKE THE AGRESSORS, ANNIE???!! Oh, I know, it DOESN”T. And i think you might want to check on who exactly is useless here – you or me. .. Just sayin’

        • joojubee1

          And, I might add, aside from the insults, no one has commented on a single point I made. What good does it do, whether or not I’m a shill, to act like an uneducated, riled, chaotic mass of humanity? What good would that do to further the cause? Explain…

      • Bob G

        Why is your avatar blocked from us seeing just how many posts you have and how many votes you get? My guess is 10,000 posts and 10 votes. Come on man, show yourself.

      • linnilu

        Moby

      • guest

        yout there sittin in yer armchair w your big gulp, why doncha just shut yer yap already.

    • kds

      Time to finish filling the grave with those who shot the cattle.

    • Herbert Napp

      Shoutouts to the painfully obvious paid shills below: “Rick Flemming” and “FoundersWeep”

      • Rick Fleming

        You mean “they” will pay me to do this? Where do I sign up, Herb?

        • Herbert Napp

          “They” is OFA, and countless other orgs exposed with cited facts of paid posting. Do you want links? I can happily provide. I love how you found my new comment thread also. Camp more.

          • Rick Fleming

            Yeah, please provide the links. It would be fun making extra money talking with wing-nut, wacko, far-right Republicans comedians like you!

      • Bob G

        Click on Rick Flemmings avatar to find out just how “in the know” he actually is and Foundersweep has blocked his avatar so we can’t find out what a loser he is. These people are losers.

        • Herbert Napp

          It’s good to understand how they think, or what script they are using though

    • Louise Owens

      I have a great idea. Lets put Obumee, BLM and the rest of them out on open range and see if we can pick them off like they did the cattle. Oh yea dig a mass grave first, we know we can knock down some of them.

    • USMCret

      This is what WE the PEOPLE are up against sociopathic psycotics who have no morals and empathy for anyone but themselves and that includes Obamanayshon and his wife.

      • Bob G

        Semper Fi Bro.

    • blakmira

      Now show the thousands of SLAUGHTERED WILD HORSE MUSTANGS from Nevada & Utah & Colorado that the BLM has rounded up & sent to factory farms to be made into meat and enslaved for Wyeth-Ayerst’s Premarin. This is just the tip of the iceberg here. The mainstream media is only covering the cattle rancher’s aspect and you’ve got to wonder why. Then again, no one in the alternative media has any spine to be covering this either — and you better wonder why.

    • Foxyjosh

      If the Bundys wait to be attacked they will lose. They need to take the fight to the FBLM.

    • arcticmoon

      How do we know Bundy didn’t do this to his own cattle. I talked to a BLM guy that said Bundy didn’t take care of his cattle, many of them starved and were not even tagged or branded.

      • americalandofthefree

        Dumbshit if you actually looked at the cattle you could see they were feed and taken care of. The BLM is scum they instituted a no fly zone over the area gee could that be so no one could check on the cattle and see what was going on? Cowboys were paid to round up cattle at any cost. Any idiot knows a cow is not going to charge a guy on a horse and if a shot is fired in the air he will usually run. So how stupid were these paid killers (rustlers)? These guys were out to have a good time running and shooting cows. FYI those cows are part of food chain now there is how many dead that wont make it to market and how many babies died that wont grow up to produce. You and the Rockyj3 are 2 peas in pod. we already import our meat because of people like the BLM. Maybe you should check out cattle growers they do get inspected and if he was not tagging or mistreating the cows there would be a report. Can either of you think for yourselves. And what BLM agent isnt going to say something negative about mr.Bundy.

        • Dennis Augello

          Bundy did it.

          • ClemXII

            [enter source]

            oh wait..

    • Rockyj3

      You all really do live in a bubble. Hopefully, someday soon before its too late & your sick far right bubble bursts.

      • ClemXII

        And you must be the leftist who supports illegal government occupation of state land, and believes that Bundy, who pays CLARK COUNTY, as the original contract states, for grazing fee’s, is not going to pay BLM money so they can use it against him and take his land.

        Which, they’ve done for the other 30+ ranchers in the area. They use the money these ranchers pay to drive them out. You’d pay a robber to rob you, of course?

        Not to mention this is state land, illegally occupied by the federal government. Tell me, when did Nevada representatives vote on allowing 85+% of it’s land be in use by the feds? Also, where does the constitution authorize an allowance for the fed to control this amount of state land?

        Where are the bases, armaments and other government essential buildings that the federal government may legally build, constitutionally? No where.

        Enjoy being a loon.

        • Amanda Ferryman

          You can’t pay a fee to the wrong place and expect that to work. And for the record he tried that ONCE and they returned it to him. That’s per him.

        • Rick Fleming

          Bundy owns 150 acres. He has to graze his cattle on more land. He grazes his cattle on Federally owned land. He owes the money to the federal government, not CLARK COUNTY. He hasn’t paid CLARK COUNTY a dime because they cannot accept his money, seein’ as how CLARK COUNTY doesn’t own the land Bundy is using. He refuses to pay rent on land that he doesn’t own. Paying grazing fees is something a lot of ranchers need to do because they don’t own enough of their own land. He would pay CLARK COUNTY (so he says), but he won’t pay the Fed. He’s an a-hole who despises our federal government, so he arrogantly refuses to pay what he rightfully owes. I guess we find out today he’s got some pretty disgusting views on some other things as well. Not a bit surprised, really. You keep on supporting your boy as you enjoy being the loon.

    • fantum

      “six cattle died or were euthanized?” LOL…

      The count is actually about 40 and rising, the federal agents threw them into a mass grave in an effort to hide their criminal activity.

      “The mass grave that was dug was about 50 feet long, 18 feet wide, 10 feet deep, and about a third of the way filled back in with cattle.”

      The BLM Brown Shirt thugs didn’t get to murder citizens so they took it out on the cattle.

      Check it out… 12160.info/profiles/blogs/blm-bs-is-this-okay-with-you?

      Why does EVERYONE associated with the Obama Administration feel the need to LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING?

      • Rick Fleming

        Still awaiting pictures of your so-called “mass grave” with “about 40 and rising”. You said “and rising”, right? So someone is counting them? So, where’s the video, or even a few pictures? All I see is two dead cows. Your moronic link just takes you back to this site and page, ya big dummy. This whole story of the BLM slaughtering Bundy’s cows was “bullshit” from the beginning, pun definitely intended.

    • Amanda Ferryman

      Perhaps he should have moved his cattle?

      Or paid his fees?

      The only victims here are the cattle that were killed because their owner broke the law for 20 years.