BREAKING: Obama Signs Two New Executive Orders On Gun Control

By: Michael Lotfi
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It was reported a few days ago that President Obama was meeting secretly with America’s top mayors to announce executive action on gun control. According to Kristin Tate, one of our reporters, “As you may remember, Obama failed to pass gun control measures through the Senate last spring. Most notably, the president was pushing for background checks for gun purchases.”


Today Obama made good on his promise to push for more gun control.

Rather than wait for Congress to pass new laws Obama bypassed them today. The two executive orders were announced at the same time the new Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) director Todd Jones was sworn in. Jones has been upheld by Senate republicans until recently. The ATF will be the enforcer of Obama’s two new executive orders.

The first order seeks to close a loophole, which allows felons and others who would be otherwise prohibited from owning firearms to bypass the law by registering their firearms with a trust or corporation. This would exempt them from having to complete a background check. It also forces anyone associated with a trust or corporation to complete a background.

The second order signed by Obama seeks to prohibit military-grade weapons from entering into America by keeping private entities from re-importing guns that the US previously sent to foreign allies. Currently, a law already requires U.S. government approval before these weapons can be re-imported. The White House says that more than 250,000 weapons have been brought back to America since 2005. Under the new executive order this practice will no longer be allowed. The weapons sent to foreign countries will have to remain there.

Is Obama overstepping his authority by enforcing laws through an agency rather than have Congress pass them?

-Let us know what you think in the comments below.

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Michael Lotfi is a political analyst and strategist living in Nashville, Tennessee where he works as the executive director for the Tenth Amendment Center (TN). Lotfi also writes a column at The Washington Times called "American Millennial". Lotfi graduated in the top 5% of his class with honors from Belmont University, an award winning, private university located in Nashville, Tennessee.

  • Bill Moss

    Obama has made yet amother treasonistic action by by-passing congress. His Executive orders are not laws. America needs to wake up and read the Constitution of the United States. Every Ex-ecutive order he has wrote unless made into law by Congress is worth its wait in toilet paper. Obama is pushing for a Civil War here and a World War so that while our military is fighting overseas we can be taken over by Muslims and he can reign as a dictator. The time to IMPEach this Marxist Muslim is now. If the Congress don’t do it the people will have to rise up and do it themselves. The March on Washington Sept. ( 2013 Should not have to be. On its first day back from Vacation Congress needs to overrule all executive orders and Obamacare pending the results of Impeachment proceedings against Barack Obama, Joe Biden, The whole Obama Administration, Nancy Palosi, Harry reed and John Boehner. Then a new Emergency election for Speaker of the house should be held annd a new election for President and Vice President be Scheduled for 2014 elections. Mark my words the people are fed up and at the verge of a Revolution that Washington don’t want. The tree of Liberty sometimes must be refreshed with the blood of politicians and patriots.

    • Andrew

      Ok. So the biggest problem here is that he acted illegally. Fortunately, these laws seem to make a lot of sense (not that we have any legal binding now on the president or congress’s sense of justice). Now we need to fix about everything else in the system, our corrupt president/congress. It’s not just Obama. It’s not just Bush. It’s not RED vs BLUE. WE need accountable government officials at all levels, but especially in Congress and and White House. We can bitch about it all we want, but really, we need to start asking the question “How can we affect change in our country for the better, and how can we get people to be involved”. All of us reading this know this has to be down. How do we do it is the real question.

      • Andrew

        *done

      • PaxMentis

        It makes a lot of sense to prohibit M1s from being imported BACK into the country? They already do not import anything that is fully automatic (or even burst fire), which eliminates ll those “evil” black rifles. The most modern rifle this all affect is the occasional M14 that is semi only.

        And I am sure the number of criminals setting up Firearms Trusts rather than just buying from associates is substantial and the cause of much violent crime. (/sarcasm)

      • Houston Retrievers

        Its easy, follow the constitution and leave the people alone.

  • Rich

    You better get your heads out of your rectums….He is going to bomb Syria bringing Russia , China and Iran into the picture….So he is going to take our guns away….Maybe he’ll put up signs Welcome…

    • http://Realityofliferants.com/ Toni franklin

      Finally someone that sees the big picture. He continues this fight with syria we are f’d. Our troops are spread very thin as it is. and we at home are slowly but surely getting disarmed. So who’s side is this clown on anyways. He has still not proved he is a citizen. Like the bully’s he’s created to police us would say “Where are your Papers Obama?”

  • 77Jack

    Considering that in this farce we call a Republic the Executive Branch isn’t supposed to have any legislative power…that power residing in the, you guessed it, Legislative Branch…then yes he and every president we’ve had for the past 100 years has overstepped his bounds by using Executive Orders to legislate.

    • Razed

      Been longer than just 100 years I’m afraid.

      • 77Jack

        Well, Executive Orders aren’t unconstitutional, whatever that means anymore. From what I’ve learned prior to the turn of the 20th century Executive Orders weren’t used to legislate policy.

    • Elmer Fudd

      Those orders are not laws, and should not be followed.

  • F Plang

    Nothing surprising here. Presidents have been doing this since God knows when overstepping their bounds. And this law doesn’t seem to affect gun rights much. What I want is my state to get their head out of the sand and allow people to open carry and also institute a SYG law.

  • Stephen Peele

    duh

  • SNB

    Why does he feel he doesn’t have to follow the rules…?

  • Jock Doubleday

    When Obama/Soetoro/whatever-his-name-is is officially found guilty of impersonating a natural-born citizen, all of the executive orders and bills he signed into law will be null and void.

    To this end, it is important that Obama is *not* removed from office by standard impeachment proceedings but instead indicted on criminal charges, including specifically the charge that he committed high treason by pretending to be eligible for office.

    • Houston Retrievers

      You left out that all laws which are contrary to the constitution are null and void according to the supreme court.

  • dokuhebi

    I still have hope that Congress passes the law allowing the reimportation of the M1 Garand rifles used in Korea. As far as I know, their usage in crimes is pretty low. http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/bill-may-allow-korean-m1-garand-rifles-to-finally-return-to-the-u-s/

  • Paul

    Isn’t there such a thing as an Amendment process. So we have a dictator that knows best for us, so what is congress for?

  • mizzoufan96

    Define Military Grade.

    • PaxMentis

      Most recently, it has been M1 carbines from S. Korea…but I am sure they will also apply it to any Springfield bolt actions still out there.

      • Bob Loblaw

        Ask Diane Feinstein and she’ll say that any gun with a barrel longer that 6″ or a stock, or that’s semi-auto, or is black, or fires less that 20 degrees off.

  • v4vendetta

    Wasn’t as bad as I assumed. Seems like something the ATF can do unless the courts say “no.”

  • eliminate thought

    Hell yes he is, and on top of that, the State run media that the White House controls never made mention of this as far as I know of whenever they interviewed him about Syria or other issues. I wonder if Piers Morgan will comment about this tonight or if they want this to be under the radar, similar to the NDAA

  • Walter Shipley

    He says he’s against bullying, but he’s bullying the American citizens! He’s nothing but a wimp that has an army of bullys to back him up!

  • Veilofmomo

    Forcing dirty guns to stay overseas to be used in the future? Now that’s homeland security.

  • Brendon Shipley

    So… the weapons we gave to mexican drug cartels can’t come back to the U.S. ? THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! /sarcasm

  • Joseph

    So we can give military grade weapons to our enemies but a law abiding citizen isn’t allowed to have them.

  • J.M.R.

    For a Constitutional law professor Obama doesn’t seem to understand the way the branches of government work his constant efforts to dictate is frightening.

  • Tom

    Executive orders are only to be used sparingly and when in dire need. It is a violation of the Constitution for this usurper to legislate through executive orders. It is Congress’s job to make law, not for it to be ordered like a dictator.

    • PaxMentis

      The attitude in DC lately (by both parties) seems to be “We don’ need no stinkin’ constitution…”.

      The executive branch seems to have been given a pass by the majority of congress to do pretty much whatever they want and never mind if it is constitutional.

      Want to legislate gun control with EOs? Sure, no problem. Want to commit acts of war against a country because you don’t approve of how they conduct their internal conflicts? Never mind congressional approval…just say it serves the interests of the US.

      Government of, by and for the people has “perished from the earth”.

  • Karl Johnson

    Ridiculous BS laws that do nothing to prevent criminals from getting guns.
    These E>O.’s just hurt everyday normal citizens and 1 actually hinders a Federal Firearms Program for U.S. Citizens.

  • Schmidt Happens Podcast

    Where in the constitution is authority given to the president to have executive orders? I’ll wait…

    • rob_baker

      Ask George Washington, he was the first to do it.

      • Houston Retrievers

        Does not mean it was lawful.

    • Steven

      Executive Orders have always existed; but their purpose is to pass orders to the Executive Branch. They do not carry the force of law outside of the police, FBI, CIA, NSA, Military, etc.

  • john smith

    umm, i think that its not a law since he used exectuive order, its to clarify law, not make it, he can only explain exisiting law, so if someone takes him to court, they can get this reversed since its a illegal law

    • Steven

      Technically, the Judicial Branch explains the law. The Executive only enforces it.

  • Aliel The Heretic

    Overstepping his authority?!

    The constitution says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

    The fact that Obama has passed an enforcible law with the stroke of the pen is proof enough that America is living under a dictatorship.

    • RPA102

      Ummm, no. Just no…

      The first order enforces a current law (that felons cannot own firearms). The second order pretty much just states that the approval that used to be required for re-importing guns will no longer be granted. Neither are new laws.

  • ObamaBinLyin

    The water just got a little bit hotter for the frogs in the pot.

  • Obama bin laden

    Hell yes he is and continually oversteps his boundary. Our supposed president tyrant dictator Obama bin laden needs to go. Impeachment is needed or something. This is supposed to be the people’s country not obamas country.

  • Hope for Good

    He has no respect for the Law, or for the Constitution!

  • Cletus T Jones

    If you are in favor of felons and terrorists using corporations as a loophole to bypass Federal Law that says they cannot have guns, then yes he overstepped his boundaries, and you likely shouldn’t own a gun either if you think that’s ok.

    • Jaele

      Oh give me a break you very naive person…

    • jmark80

      Yeah, those crazy felons and terrorists, filing their forms and waiting 6-8 months for approval, and then committing crimes.

      How about a focus on ACTUAL gun crime instead of law abiding citizens?

    • Houston Retrievers

      Oh please, the law that puts restrictions on the right to own firearms is in and of itself against the law, there is no lawful case that has been tested at the Supreme court level that supports the idea of “but” on the 2nd amendment. The only law I would support that restricts firearms to anyone is if they have ever been used during the commission of a crime, even then, their has to be available relief. Someone who commits a felony, who has the opportunity to get their record expunged has a chance at relief thus their rights recognized… Someone who is restricted from firearms should have the same opportunity at relief regardless of the road they traveled..

      They should have to prove to the community they reside in they are not a threat to them. You cant just say no matter what people cant defend themselves or their families or property because they made a bad choice, which more so than not, is a reflection of their upbringing.

      Attack guns and criminals sure, but at least do it in a way that has substance. People who have done their time should have relief. You want to really reduce crime and create a better atmosphere for children, education education education. And if you stop trying to beat the people at the law maybe the people wouldnt try to beat you at it… Wait, that is where your cash comes from, there has to be criminals and degenerates, in fact you want our entire society to be full of degenerates where everyone is classified a criminal. We would be disarmed, and you would have the ability to take what you want from whomever you want, whenever you want.. At least today you have to consider the blowback of your choices against the largest army in the world, the people of these united states, and their constitution.

    • Bruce Molyneux

      it sounds great,but there has been no crimes committed with those guns,that law will do nothing as far as crime prevention.read up on the trust law.find a case where one of those guns have ever been used to kill anyone.they completely mislead and twist the facts.

  • ForTehNguyen

    damn felons with their corporations and trusts and their 6+ month wait times

  • Devil-Dog

    Once again He overstepped his authority So once again hes PROVED his NOT FIT to Command…OBAMA I as a citizen Now DENOUNCE YOU as the president Since You have NO REPECT for our Constitution for which YOu yourself SWORE to UPHOLD and Constinue to VIOLATE…I RELEIVE You off Command since NO one else has the BALLs To

  • Shane Jones

    See ignorance seeks to isolate and simply things. There hasn’t been a law passed since the early 70′s that hasn’t been taken out of context or abused in some way shape or form…it’s called “sleight of hand”. They show you all the glorious things that this “bill, law, ordinance etc” will accomplish, only to have evil doings in mind. They should immediately pass a law that restricts ignorant people from voting, starting with all the Obuma supporters. Oh what’s that you say…”that would be a violation of your constitutional rights!” well, now you know how we feel!

    • shane jones

      *simplify

  • Steve Randolph

    For once Obama is being transparent. He does not want the AK-47′s to be shipped to the USA because then his brothers in the middle east would not be able to acquire those weapons. The imports that come into the USA by and large are long rifles such as the Mosin Nagant and the AK-47. Very few pistols are imported and those that are mainly are collector pieces. They are not the Saturday night specials or the semi-auto pistols for the most part. Obama has shown his hand on this one. He has to do this to support his Al Qaeda friends. As to the other order regarding registration through corporations and trusts, it will not have one bit of effect on crime. The criminals are not registering their weapons. THEY ARE STEALING THEM. But I guess that fact is over Barry’s head.

    • ChristyK

      He is not trying to disarm criminals, he is trying to disarm American citizens, especially those that disagree politically with him.

      • Bob Loblaw

        No, he doesn’t mind if they disagree with him. Plenty of republicans disagree with him, but it’s only if they disagree on the bi-partisan fascist agenda that he really wants them disarmed. Lindsey Graham wants those people disarmed too. But if you’re like Graham and support war and treason but not gay marriage, Obama doesn’t really care; so long as you support the drones and anti-American policies etc.

  • markdavismd

    Non compos mentis, Obama’s legacy.

  • Enoch Vandever

    There’s nothing wrong with the first one, other than the method used to pass it: executive order. The second though I view strictly as a measure directed toward Vets returning from the Wars.

  • Jon

    Would I have to pay for my weapons to be registered every year now too?

    • TheOssMan

      Licensed professionals such as lawyers, doctors, etc, have to pay to renew their licenses in order to continue to practice legally. Why shouldn’t you have to pay a yearly license fee to keep your guns legal? Why would you object to it if what you are doing, by owning the guns, is legal?

      • Yar

        Because its a right!? Do you need permission from the state to speak?

      • Steven

        Because that amounts to levying a tax on a right. It’s like making me pay a fee in order to get a license to print a newspaper, peacefully protest, vote, not be randomly strip searched, have my case go in front of a jury, or any of the other rights that I enjoy as an American.

        By contrast, you do not have a “right” to be a lawyer, nor a doctor. You have a right to pursue those careers; but not an inalienable right to BE one.

        • Kenneth Browning

          You mean like when you pay to renew your drivers license? Driving is a right too, not a privilege. That’s a supreme court ruling too.

          • Steven

            Would you care to point out the SCOTUS case where this was ruled? I looked for it, myself, but I was met with a bunch of cases that were actually NOT about the right to drive, or were not held by the SCOTUS.

      • Bob Loblaw

        Simply because others are required to have a license to do certain things, you think the rest of us SHOULD have to register to exercise our rights? Why would we accept it when only law abiding people would follow it to start with?

        Why would you object to the Gestapo searching you or asking if you’re a Jew, if what you are doing (not being a Jew) is legal?

        Answer: Tomorrow it could easily be drinking coffee or whatever YOU’RE doing and who YOU are, getting YOU taxed, fined, persecuted, tortured, executed etc. and not “the other guy”.

      • lwe6576

        That is the dumbest statement I’ve seen. Those people choose to do what they do and being a doctor, lawyer or indian chief is not a God given right like the right to bear arms.

  • RPA102

    The responses here are laughable. Not a damn thing about these orders is illegal. The first is closing a loophole in order to enforce a law that already stands (felons are prohibited from owning firearms). The second pretty much says that the approval that used to be required to bring these guns back from overseas will no longer be given. This isn’t legislating and it does NOT overstep the bounds allowed by executive order.

    • wa2pu

      Where as they are not illegal, neither do they apply to the American people. Yes they do overstep. Executive Orders are used to enforce various agencies in the federal government. They do not give the President the right to “make” new laws and usurp the role of Congress or the individual states. There is a reason for the separation of powers, and it is to prevent tyranny such as this.

      • RPA102

        Except that no new laws were made.

        • wa2pu

          Well you be sure to pass that little tidbit of info to Obama and his Czars RPA102…they seem to have not received that memo.

        • wa2pu

          Then why did Obama attempt to push them as such? What were there purpose. By your own logic they can be easily ignored…which was fully my intention anyways.

    • Steven

      I don’t think you understand the separation of powers. Executive Orders are orders that apply to the Executive Branch. Currently, the EO being given is an order to enforce laws that do not exist. Violating them carries no penalty, other than illegal prosecution by Police, ATF, etc.

      • RPA102

        Like I said before, these are not new laws. The law that prevented felons from registering firearms already existed. The law requiring approval for re-importing guns already existed.

        • Steven

          As it turns out, the SCOTUS already ruled that it’s unconstitutional to force people who are not allowed to own firearms to register them. It violates their 5th Amendment, by forcing them to admit they were breaking the law… and as such, this executive order does nothing. The second EO also doesn’t do a whole lot.

          Though, the question must be asked: “If these are all pre-existing laws, then why does the President need to sign an EO to force his branch to do what they’re supposed to be doing, anyways?”

    • Russ L. Smith

      A lot of collectors’ items were sent to other countries that we should be allowed to import back here due to their rare availability. There are currently many U.S. made WWII era M1 Carbines and Garands that collectors would like to purchase held up in S. Korea.

      • RPA102

        And why is that relevant?

    • Russ L. Smith

      Since when is the BATF or any domestic civil police force under the cabinet authority of the Executive branch. The BATF is under the jurisdiction of Congress, otherwise we have a dictatorship.

      • RPA102

        The BATF is part of the DOJ which is in turn a federal executive department.

    • casterofpeals

      Thank you for pointing out why the anti-federalists were right. Scrapping (or, at least improving) the constitution and instilling a document that doesn’t lend itself to tyranny is something long needed.

      “Checks in government ought to act silently, and without public commotion.”
      ― Melancton Smith, The Anti-Federalist Papers

      “Let us go on perfecting the Constitution by adding, by way of amendment, those forms which time and trial show are still wanting.” –Thomas Jefferson to Wilson Nicholas, 1803. Unfortunately, we haven’t done our jobs.

  • Sarah Firebaugh

    where do we sign the petition to impeach?

  • Max Kennedy

    For a corporation that has a hundreds of employees, none of which will be carrying firearms, this is definitely way overboard. Might as well require every American to have a background check and make the police state complete.

    And fyi – Jesus Christ couldn’t pass a background check – these orders are completely contrary to our system of government.

    • lastsigma

      Because all our laws are based solely on what Jesus could or couldn’t do?

  • Steven

    It’s a good thing that Executive Orders do not carry the force of law on anyone who is not part of the Executive Branch. Sure, they can arrest you for not following it… in the sense that I can break into any home that I want to… if I want to go to jail for breaking the law.

  • Squall Lionheart

    People need to understand that executive orders ARE NOT LAW and have no force of law other than that which the sheeple allow!!

    • LINDA EUBANKS

      THE ONLY REASON OBAMA CAN GET AWAY WITH EXECUTIVE ORDERS IS BECAUSE WE “THE PEOPLE” ALLOW IT.

  • cooperbry

    Executive orders are only good for instructing employees. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed !

  • jk

    Impeach Obama before he can do any more damage…

    • Bob Loblaw

      You think Biden would do less damage?

      • LINDA EUBANKS

        HE IS A DUMBASS…WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT HIM IN OFFICE

        • Bob Loblaw

          I don’t know but it doesn’t matter. He’s #2 so if you impeach Obama, Biden will automatically become president.

          • jk

            The public need to make a stand of some sort otherwise there’s no resistance and if there’s no resistance even more crap will flow our way…

          • Bob Loblaw

            Oh, and that reminds me that just like Gerald Ford, if Biden became president, he’d pardon Obama even if people were in the street demanding they both face a firing squad for treason.

  • Erich

    Funny many of these weapons were even used in a crime? Other than the ones the ATF gave to the mexican drug dealers. Oh great we have to pay for guns to go to countries we the people don’t approve of but can’t own them our selves…..Thanks Obama and Biden good job losers…..

    • Erich

      *How many* Typo sorry

    • Bob Loblaw

      Romney would’ve done the same thing. It’s not Obama’s idea. Obama’s #1 campaign contributor was Goldman Sachs, and Romney’s #1 campaign contributor was also Goldman Sachs.

      They are puppets. The left and the right are but boots upon the feet of a corporate fascist tyranny, stomping freedom, one foot after the other. Left, right, left; left, right, left.

  • Kevin Merck

    It’s illegal to deny people who have been convicted of felonies their second amendment rights once they have paid their debt to society.
    This is where it all gets started. Denying people their rights for one reason or another.
    The KKK was behind some of the first gun control laws to prevent freed slaves from having the right to bear arms.
    Some of you people claim to be pro-second amendment but seem to think it’s okay to deny people convicted of a felony.
    That’s crazy, especially nowadays when you can get a felony for releasing balloons into the air to celebrate your wife’s birthday. (Look it up)
    Shall not be infringed – period.

    • Angus Young

      Kevin you are spot on! I have been screaming this for 20 years now. Nothing is perfect,but once that 1968 gun law was signed in it became this!

      • Kevin Merck

        Exactly. all it takes to start a landslide is a sneeze in the wrong direction.
        People need to understand that without the Constitution we have absolutely nothing that can’t be taken from us by this criminal government.
        Once our rights are gone, they are gone, and we won’t get them back.

        • Angus Young

          I have friends who are ex-felons. They all carry. They do not carry for crime reasons they carry for self protection. Now they have to avoid the cops,but like one of my felon friends says ” I act very nice in society and want no problems as I am screwed if a cop finds that gun on me!” I am very comfortable around them also.

          • Kevin Merck

            A felony conviction is no big deal. If the crime was so serious as to deny your “God Given Rights” then you should have been executed for the crime.
            Once you pay your debt to society, they need to get the hell out of your life.

    • lwe6576

      Those people can get their rights back if they apply for them. Most people don’t want to bother or don’t know about that.

      • Kevin Merck

        That’s illegal as well. Show me in the Constitution where it says we can infringe on the second amendment in this manner.
        Expungement is a criminal racket set up by the courts to profit from unlawful denial of rights.

        • Dwightmannn

          I am a FELON, and I cant get up.
          I live in a big city,and the augmentation of racist crimes is up. I need a weapon just to protect myself, but the law says that i am not allowed. I think it is the over complex laws that we need to get rid of. . .
          The constitution is the only LAW that I need.
          “Dont Tread On Me”

          • Kevin Merck

            No argument from me on that brother.
            If anyone needs to have their rights denied, it should be those who want to deny the rights of others.

      • Justin Myrick

        Not in all states. My state, Missouri which is a very pro gun state, has no way for convicted felons to regain thier 2A rights. Even after they have paid thier full debt to society. Bottom line, if you are dangerous enough to not be trusted with your right to self protection, then you should be locked up away from society. If you have been declared by your states department of corrections to be safe enough to live in society, then you should have the right to defend yourself and your family.

        • Kevin Merck

          That’s exactly right Justin. If the crime was so terrible as to deny you your “God Given Rights” then you should have been executed for the crime. Once you pay your debt, they have no business taking your rights.
          Thanks for speaking out.

          • Daniel1984

            How is owning a gun a God given right?

          • Bob Loblaw

            The same way walking and breathing are God given rights. Our Bill of Rights and Constitution outlines rights that are to be respected, some without exception such as the 2nd amendment which states “shall no be infringed”.

          • Daniel1984

            Uhh…if you think owning a gun is equivalent to walking and breathing, I don’t know how to hold a conversation with you.

          • Steven

            Owning a gun protects your right to life and your liberty. The 2nd Amendment uses the word “arms”, which (at the time of it’s drafting) meant “man-portable weapons and armor.”

            In other words, you have a god-given right to keep and carry things like:

            – A bullet-proof vest
            – Pepper Spray
            – A pocket knife

            Or any myriad of things that can be used to protect your life and your liberty… including firearms. After all, you can have all the rights in the world; but without the means to protect them, they are moot.

          • Bob Loblaw

            If you think it has to be “equivalent” to be a right, you might try reading a book sometime. You are born with the ability(right) to do whatever you wish and are able to do.

            Our nation’s highest laws outline certain ones that are to be respected and protected at all times; and the right to have weapons to defend yourself and your country is one of them.

          • Kevin Merck

            I don’t think you’re sincere. I think you’re being a jerk. I don’t know how to have a conversation with a jerk.
            If you want to know the answer to your question, study the intent of the founders and stop being a jerk-off.

        • Bob Loblaw

          Yeah, and especially if it’s been ten years and you pay property taxes or any sales tax, you should be able to vote.

  • CowboyUpAmerica

    Michael, these were Executive Actions, not Executive Orders sir…

  • Erik Swenson

    Honestly I am torn. As a registered Libertarian I am all for Civil Liberties but I believe gun proponents who abhor more “gun control” are being overly paranoid. Where is the line drawn? Should you or your neighbor have in or her “legal” possession any and all types of weapons? Where do we as a society draw the line between individual Liberties and public safety? An age old question that is debated more today than ever before.

    My issue is President Obama and his blatant arrogance by thumbing his nose at the supreme law of the land, the U.S. Constitution. In more areas than Personal ownership of guns. In my opinion, he is a slippery, shady, sneaky and subversive man. Public opinion is more powerful than any weapon. And he is a master of manipulation regarding mass media and public opinion.

    • Bob Loblaw

      Tench Coxe knew where to draw that line.

      “Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and EVERY other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American…

      [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”

      –Tenche Coxe

      Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

      It’s not an age old question, but one public school never taught you (and much of the nation) the answer to. To paraphrase Ben Franklin- He who would sacrifice liberty for the promise of security deserves and gets neither. Security is a state of mind. Nobody debates where to draw the line. Everybody knows that violating ones freedoms, and rights makes you less secure. The line is at freedom. You don’t let them cross it unless you or your descendants want to be slaves.

    • zukifan na

      Prove that public safety is improved by restriction of the 2nd Amendment……there is none, in fact the evidence points overwhelmingly in the other direction. Where there is less guns in the possession of law abiding citizens, there is more crime…..this is a nationwide fact.

    • Kevin Merck

      I hear what you’re saying, but what we all need to understand is that all the “terrible implements of war” are inanimate objects that that don’t pose a threat to anyone. No gun has ever killed anyone.
      I would be a lot more worried about a nutcase like Obama with his finger on the nuclear trigger than Jane Blow having a gun in her purse.
      Just think of all the people that may be killed in a civil war if they come for the guns.
      We need to restore our rights, not take more of them away under any pretense.

    • Gerald

      You need to brush up on your understanding of LIBERTY.

      Laws do not improve peoples morality or behavior, they also can not control any actions or desires…

      Who do you refer to when you ask “where do WE as a society draw the line…?” We?! You can draw the line for yourself as you wish but you have no right to force others to comply with what you believe should be, in your imagination of that perfect society. Defend yourself if attacked but please do not attack (laws that make ownership of xyz a crime) others simply for claiming they may or COULD do you harm, so therefore you strike PREEMPTIVLY! Find out if you are Libertarian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I
      Be blessed! ☺

    • carolynBrannon

      Guns do not kill people. It is the crooked element that kill people with guns. But this screwed up government wants to take away all guns so, supposedly, the crooked element won’t be able to get their hands on guns. But even they know better than this. They know there will always be guns for the crooked element to use in their crimes. The lesser crooked element does not bother them. But the armed law abiding American citizen does to the tune that they will lie, cheat and threaten to get as many gun laws passed as possible so the law abiding citizen who believe in our constitution can’t stand up for it.
      Let’s face facts here, shall we? The government that we have blindly elected in the past 40 years have developed a dictatorial plan to completely take over this country. But they cannot do it with our constitution standing in their way. If you simply check and see how this great writ has been encroached by the last three or four presidents, then you should be able to see what is coming in the very near future.

    • Murphy J NY

      How in the heck does blocking the M1 Carbines from South Korea make anyone safer? It DOESN’T! You are a false Libertarian.

      • Erik Swenson

        False Libertarian? So am I to assume that to be a true Libertarian you advocate complete Anarchy? No rules, no laws… Well if that is in fact the case then I guess I am a “False Libertarian” because I do beleive that there is a need for elected people to represent everyone else. The problem I have with your statement is that you seem to have an “all in” or “all out” mentality like the Dems and Repubs do. No room for comprimise or thoughtful discussion, just vitriol, finger pointing and paranoia.

    • ronmexico1984

      You might want to go back and review your political affiliation. I’ve heard Bill Maher claim to be a libertarian but it’s really just one more thing Bill is patently wrong about.

  • Had_Enough2010
  • Fed-Up

    The second amendment is part of the constitution, which our president, Obama, took an oath to uphold. PERIOD. This idiot is begging for trouble. I know you’re reading this, Big Brother. How about you start sticking to the consitution, that’s what your people want.

    • Daniel1984

      Actually..it’s an amendment. It’s an addition to the constitution.

      • Allen

        Actually the founders would not have passed the constitution if it did not include the Bill of Rights. So the first 10 amendments are really not an addition.

        • RPA102

          I guess if you ignore the fact that the Bill of Rights was proposed two years after the Constitution was adopted.

      • Steven

        Amendments are part of the constitution. It says so in the Constitution.

  • Paul

    What happens to people already in a trust?

  • Thomas

    I agree with the other post below. I am not a convicted felon but believe that when a person has been set free from incarceration that all rights shall be restored to them. Anything to the contrary is not right! It is not liberty!

    • Bob Loblaw

      They’re never taken, so they can’t be restored. Being unalienable, you can do only three things with them. Exercise them, violate them, or respect them as the law demands.

      Anyone no longer incarcerated should have his rights fully respected.

    • Kevin Merck

      They are lowering the bar on what constitutes a felony to the point of obscenity.
      There are millions of men in prison on frivolous drug charges who are serving time for doing the drugs that the CIA brings in – absolutely criminal. It’s a deliberate attempt to strip men of their rights by making them felons.
      I would like to be politically correct here, and say that they are doing this to women as well, but that’s not the case.
      Men are being singled out to be disenfranchised, second class citizens, without any rights.

      • Bob Loblaw

        I don’t know. I get the impression that they do this to women, but mostly the docile ones. The whole system is like that. Cram a bunch of crazy killers together and nobody wants to be a guard, the warden has trouble keeping order etc. But lock up a bunch of non-violent offenders and you’re looking at guys that are more likely to play cards than fight. Each one gets the prison system $48,000/year of taxpayer dollars to imprison. The docile ones cost less so there’s incentive to release the violent offenders and chase(/create) non-violent ones.

        I read a few years back about a single mother in Oklahoma that was sentenced to 10 years for selling $35 worth of grass. This means that a shameless, soul-less cop was paid to run around levying war on the people and when he found a single-mom with $35 worth of a plant, the Oklahoma prison system decided it can get $480,000 for taking her freedom and they did.

        • Kevin Merck

          Less than 2% of the prison population is female and they commit 40% of the crime.
          So, for the most part, they don’t target women.
          Sounds like that gal in Oklahoma got a raw deal, but it happens to men a lot more often.

          • Bob Loblaw

            2%?
            Wow. Does that mean that if you dress like a woman you can commit felonies with only a 2% chance of getting caught? Or does it mean that most women dress up like men before committing crimes?

          • Kevin Merck

            That’s funny Bob, I must admit that it made me laugh (a little) but it’s not so funny to all the guys who are being enslaved by this out of control government.
            They can’t do it to women, because almost all women have more balls than guys like you :-)
            They stick up for each other, while punks like you make fun of men being exploited.

          • Bob Loblaw

            I didn’t make fun of anybody being exploited. I just asked about cross-dressing and how it affects crime statistics. What percentage of the prison population are cross-dressers and were they cross-dressing when incarcerated?

  • Nightingale

    Executive Orders do not and cannot affect the citizens of the US or any other country, they only affect the Executive Branch of government. Anyone that thinks that an EXORD affects them personally is highly mistaking.

    • Murphy J NY

      Many of my friends and myself will now not be able to obtain the Carbines that we have been waiting for from South Korea. I have just been personally affected.

  • K

    At this point, I’d say civil war is inevitable…

    • Daniel1984

      Well that seems alarmist. What about these orders would cause civil war?

      • alted1

        Um, not too sure about how laws are passed in this country are you?

        • Daniel1984

          The news is rotting your brain. This isn’t new in government, everyone is just more aware. And yet, somehow we’ve been able to go on for over 150 years without civil war.

          • Dominic Bartnick

            This will cause a civil because eventually the minority of people with a brain and a cause will defend the constitution and unfortunately there is no one left that can make a difference peacefully.

          • bunnyswanson

            Remember, there are paid trolls, as part of attempt to sway public opinion. Millions of dollars are spent creating the illusions through focus groups, think tanks, media soft-shoe news. Do not be disheartened.

          • bunnyswanson

            You should spend a few hours perusing youtube, searching for info on Mao, Stalin, Hitler, the sequence of events leading up to their massacres is exactly the same. Seizing one’s wealth, disarming them, and sending them into work camps. History is repeating itself but with a pretty view and elegant, thoughtfully written speeches. People want what Americans have. 1776 should have told you something, a 1 world govt = 1 Ponzi scheme (a win-win for the bankers et al).

          • andrew

            But… he’s taking away guns from criminals, not citizens… The initial push through the proper forms WAS in fact unconstitutional (as I’ve heard), but please politely correct me if I’m wrong about disarming criminals

          • Steven

            The SCOTUS ruled that it’s illegal to make criminals register their firearms. The only legitimate use of a gun registry is moot, because the people it’s meant to stop are legally exempt from that law under the 5th Amendment.

          • Jen

            Haynes v U.S (1968)

          • Steven

            Yes, thank you.

          • Steven

            Is it not also possible that the lack of knowledge contributed to the lack of civil war?

        • BIGGERD

          To “Guest” alted1 : You are part of what is really very wrong with this country at the present. I think of you and your kind as the insane irrationals. As pathetic as that is, it keeps me aware that insanity is the general rule of the day. It certainly is not our Constitution nor the wisdom and trust of our “ruling elite” class.

          • alted1

            Do you mean “insane” as a king passes laws at whim? I’m sure your ready to head to Syria as soon as the king says go. Or is that only for other peoples children to do?

  • Daniel1984

    Sounds like good news to me.

    • Kevin Merck

      I was wondering how long it would take for someone to throw a turd in the punchbowl.
      By that look on your face, I’d say you are mentally ill.
      You have to be mentally ill, to see no problem with usurping the Constitution.

  • Percie

    sounds like we have a monarchy.

    • andrew

      Plutocracy, maybe? “wealthy individuals and organizations can exert influence over the
      political arena. In the modern era, democratic republics around the
      world permit fundraising for politicians, who frequently rely on such
      income for advertising their candidacy to the voting public.”

  • General Nonsense

    Under existing law, allowing a felon to possess a firearm is illegal. By adding a felon to a trust, the executor of the trust is already committing a crime, punishable under current law. This “action” is based solely on hypotheticals. Why would a felon bother with trying to find someone with a clean record to create a trust, then have that person undergo a background check, when it is far easier to buy a stolen gun?

    Felons in possession of firearms is already illegal, so it is a fear tactic to say that there is a “loophole” that allows them to buy a gun this way. The reality is that this doesn’t happen.

    I challenge anyone to provide a single documented case of a felon getting and using a gun via the method described above.

    • bunnyswanson

      Thanks to NSA’s snoopying, many more will be on the list. What I think most will see is tax evasion as a money trail is created through the electronic devices we all must now use. Pot smokers also cannot own guns.

  • Dominic Bartnick

    Even if you think what he’s doing is a good thing, can you really be okay with the fact that he passes “executive orders” like a dictator. Basically, if you’re okay with any of this bullshit, you’re okay with living under a dictator. So, why even have congress? Why even have an elected representation of the people?

    • http://rmpaul.com/ Robert Paul

      We’ve effectively had executive orders since the days of George Washington. Modern executive orders must also fall under the scope of specific laws, which are to be cited in the order, and not create new laws. I suppose whether or not the actions defined under an EO are actually within the scope of said laws is another story.

      In any case exec orders are not something new, by any stretch.

    • andrew

      Obama is 12th among per year Executive Order issuance in the past century at 37/year, Truman takes the cake at 113/year. are we really living under a dictator under E.O. issuance numbers? Is Obama really the problem under these statistics?

      • Steven

        There is nothing inherently illegal or unconstitutional about EOs. At it’s core, an EO is just an instruction to the Executive Branch, and carries no weight of law outside of that chain of command. It isn’t until you try to use them as a replacement for law that problems arise.

    • Time Sage

      Because congress is sooooo useful. They care more about the $$$ and party poltics rather then doing good.

  • Murphy J NY

    Because those M1 Carbines from South Korea are so scary, right? Way to keep some historical artifacts away from Americans. Obama is such a dirtbag.

  • akatom3565

    Guess that explains the crips trust, what a joke

  • NMB

    I appreciate what he did very much. The bills could not pass because — if you follow the money — the NRA has funded so many things that senators and congressmen wanted that they had to do what the NRA said.

    • George Grinder Hunter

      So you appreciate that The president os the USA did something almost illegal? USA is not a monarchy.
      And if NRA controls the congress (not true) then Obama is controlled by all incoporated and oil companies.

      • andrew

        The people who (or are supposed to) check him are bought by corporate or other sponsors (like the NRA) via lobbyists.

    • gman68137

      And where does the NRA get their money? Lots of people who support their agenda. Yes, follow the money. And before you say it’s the manufacturers, it’s people who re buying guns that puts those companies in business. And sorry, but most guns that are manufactured don’t harm anyone.

    • Tom223

      Congress makes the laws and the president sees that they are enforced.
      Obama’s action is an alteration of that basic fundamental of our constitution.
      If you actually cared about the money you would be protesting this puppet president.

      • andrew

        The president does NOT see that they’re enforced, actually. The Judicial branch makes sure they’re enforced. They’re called the Supreme Court because they are the highest court of authority. The President (or Executive branch) signs the laws into effect those which were proposed by the Legislative branch. Have you learned nothing in any Political Science or US History class?

        • NOTMYGUN!

          I guess before you start berating someone and telling they are WRONG, you should first make sure you are RIGHT! YOU ARE WRONG! “The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by
          Congress and, to that end, appoints the heads of the federal agencies…” Straight from Whitehouse.gov The Judicial Branch interprets the law and then applies it through the adjudication process. There is a big difference between enforcement and interpretation. If the Judicial Branch enforced the law then we’d see old guys in black robes busting down doors…I’ve yet to see that, although I do think it would be very entertaining. I guess it’s time for YOU to go back to Political Science and US History class eh? http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-government/executive-branch

    • bunnyswanson

      There could not be a worse time in the history of mankind to unarm your citizens. Disarm your citizens during peace time, not when countries are collapsing under debt, seemingly in a Ponzi scheme, admitted to be fraudulent, and armies moving across bodies of water. Have you gone mad? This govt is afraid of its’ citizens, there is no other explanation. that is extremely disturbinng because the only reason it would be so, fearing its’ citizens, is if it was about to implement a policy that will be unpopular. Do your research before making irresponsible statements. America is an oasis of freedom and if lost, we will never get it back, they are ensuring it. The banks are behind this.

    • NOTMYGUN!

      Enjoy your stay at Hotel FEMA with the rest of the Sheeple.

  • Robert Davis

    He is getting out of control with his decisions. If congress did not want him to pass it there was a reason for it. If he is going to be playing loopholes so should the american people

    • Sean

      The problem is congress is useless, if we had a functioning legislative branch I’d have serious issues with this, be we don’t.

      • Blaik79

        The reason the process was set up like it is was to intentionally slow down legislative process, so that it could be thoroughly discussed, thought through, and allow the people to contact their congress critters and weigh in(which at one point could actually sway their vote).

        • andrew

          now they’re all too bought out for that and they want to expedite it so that the people don’t have a say, or maybe even know what’s going on. the 3 branches are working in tandem instead of checks and balances like they should be.

        • NBD bro

          But you don’t have a congress that is discussing alternatives, compromising and doing what is best for this country. We have two parties who veto and ignore each other out of spite and shear unwillingness to act on the problems of this country. No, these EOs will probably not do much if anything about the gun problems, but dammit at least he got off his ass and stopped stroking his ego for two seconds and is trying to do something about it.

    • Time Sage

      The reason is they care more about the $$$ from the gun makers and stupid party poltics then passing laws. I make a point to mock lawmakers in my writeings.

  • George Grinder Hunter

    You must get rid of Obama real soon. The worst President ever. Even Bush jr was better.

    • trumpsahead

      Yeah, Bush only killed 3,000 in Manhattan and 5,000 in Iraq, while Obama has three more years and wants to kill millions of We the Sheeple.
      I say we march now.

      • George Grinder Hunter

        DO IT!!!! The time is now.

    • Orbitus

      How can you even claim that he is worse than Bush Jr? Bush Jr was the one that started this bullshit recession we are in at this very moment. With no help from Republicans in the House, that is one good reason right there why we haven’t really made any progress on fixing this situation either. The very fact you think he is the worst president ever makes you remarkably and soundly retarded.

      • George Grinder Hunter

        Yeah Obama’s debt 300 trillion is better, right?
        Or if he is better why he doesnt take the troops home? or why does he want to make World War 3 in Syria?
        The fact that he is the first black president doesnt make him a saint. stupid liberals

        • Orbitus

          Considering he is bringing the troops home, I don’t know what you are getting at. He has spent less than Bush or Bush Jr did. And what is he supposed to do about Syria? Let thousands more die with chemical weapons? If you are saying that Russia will defend them, good luck with that, they will just be a speed bump in the way. Stupid hick

      • Michael Langley

        From what I have read in most forums, we must have a country full of “retarded” people, by your definition. The use of the word, “retarded” alone, shows your abusiveness and lack of sensitivity to the mentally challenged! Bully the mentally challenged and you will be getting your “karma”! Most kind people will not put up with actions like that!

        • Orbitus

          So you got nothing, got it.

  • HE2

    Does anyone know how many EOs he has passed compared to other presdients? Just pure quantity of orders? Anyone? I didn’t so I found a Forbes article that has a tally of the highest abusers. http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardsalsman/2013/01/28/when-it-comes-to-abuse-of-presidential-power-obama-is-a-mere-piker/

    • Blaik79

      I do believe that FDR actually holds the record, something like in the thousands.

  • Ispythegov

    Well it will take an act of congress to change the amount of the Class III Tax Stamp as it is defined as revenue, also the Trust portion is defined by the 1934 gun control act and can not be changed by the ATF or it and the tax fee would have been changed already.

  • LetsTryLibertyAgain

    The executive order has been ridiculously abused for over a hundred years. Laws are passed by Congress. The executive order was designed so the president could spend a small discretionary budget for items such as White House drapes, dishes, and office furniture. A president is not a king and cannot issue orders in lieu of congressional legislation. To the extent we allow this, we are complicit in the tyranny that is destroying our country.

    On April 5th, 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order confiscating gold in the possession of US citizens. We never should have let that stand, but the bankers had us by the short hairs. It’s all been downhill since then.

  • randerson

    What part of “shall not be infringed” does he and his minions not understand???????

    • Orbitus

      What part of ‘well-regulated’ did you forget?

      • Michael Langley

        “Well regulated” meaning “well managed” in 1780′s lingo. You, sir, are the one that is in error! It means absolutely nothing about regulating guns. It was meant to keep the government from grabbing guns as the British attempted, in the beginning step, in the initiation of the Revolutionary War. Are we subjects or free men?!

        • Orbitus

          And yet they use well regulated in many other speeches during the same time. Meaning the same thing that is actually meant in the constitution. Not to mention the very fact there have been MANY laws against your precious 2nd amendment since the very existence of the bill of rights and they are STILL IN EFFECT. http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm Have a gander at them apples then come back at me if you can read idiot.

          • Michael Langley

            Just because those laws stand, does not mean they are, technically, legal. You r name calling shows the lack of development of a mature mind, unable to debate without such childish tactics.

          • Orbitus

            And yet you can’t refute ANYTHING I have said. If you think you can get rid of any of those laws, which have been deemed constitutional by the SUPREME COURT, does in fact mean they are LEGAL. If you think you think you can get rid of them, hire a lawyer, and challenge them. Guarantee you get laughed out of the supreme court or not even heard.

          • Michael Langley

            Someone, who could afford to pay for expensive lawyers, challenged the concealed carry law in Illinois and it was overturned, by the Supreme Court. So, I guess your statement that none has been overturned, is not true. The situation is not a laughing matter. Making generalize statements shows the lack of detailed information you have. I am also glad that laws about having slaves were overturned and that the segregation in thee country has stopped. I feel the same about the courts taking the sodomy laws off the books, reversing the laws to get the government out of our personal lives. Bad laws are still bad laws, even if they are still on the books in some states. Being poor is a bad condition in the US because the law is only afforded to be manipulated by the rich, unless one gets financial backing from organizations like the ACLU..

            Too bad that most of the mass shootings in the recent past were initiated by people who tend to follow the Democrat persuasion. It just demonstrates there are mentally ill people, like criminals in Chicago, who can get guns in spite of all the gun laws. Those laws only disarm the law abiding citizens.

            Lastly, this is a free country and I don’t need some other person trying to order me around,telling me to hire a lawyer! As Benjamin Franklin said, ” Those who would give up essential liberties for security, deserve neither”

          • Orbitus

            Where did I say that none of the laws on the books couldn’t be over turned? I told you that if you want to try to challenge them, you have to have a reason for them to be overturned.

            As for your 2nd paragraph, I want actual sources to this bullshit because I have NEVER heard of any one of the mass shooters being a democrat.

            And the 3rd paragraph, wow again someone uses the Benjamin Franklin quote out of context AGAIN. Surprise surprise. I am telling you to hire a lawyer if you think you can get any of these gun laws overturned. Otherwise have fun being wrong STILL.

  • King Charles

    The agenda this dude is pushing is nothing but chaos and it will fail. Thank God!

  • Karen Stokes

    Asshole.

  • Carol Jean Goodwin

    Obozo is merely a fraud, liar, usurping enemy of this country. the worst we have ever encountered but the “Sheeple” haven’t all woke up yet! As the benefits dwindle for those who voted for him because of the sidestepping they think he did for them shows them it “ain’t all it’s cracked up to be”, such as his disallowing healthcare for spouses of employees who are covered by govt benefits and the like, they will see him for the self serving ba–ard he really is.

    • Orbitus

      Are you stupid? How is he a fraud, liar, or an enemy of this country. Stupid old republican bitch.

      • Pam

        Thats the kind of lingo i would expect from a communist humping nitwit democrat.

        • Orbitus

          So I am a communist for thinking with a brain? Really? No one has ever said why he was a fraud, liar or an enemy of the country with any proof yet.

      • Carol Jean Goodwin

        YOUR NAME CALLING SHOWS ME YOUR IGNORANCE. I AM NOT A BITCH! OBOZO HAS 300 MARINES IN SYRIA AFTER SAYING HE WOULD NOT SEND ANYONE THERE YET. WHEN HIS LIPS MOVE, HE IS LYING. MONEY WAS PAID BY SAUDI ARABIA TO GET THE US INVOLVED IN ATTACKING SYRIA. NO, I AM NOT STUPID, EITHER BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE. HE IS A FRAUD FOR HAVING A FRAUDULENT BIRTH CERTIFICATE, A STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, AND A FORGED SELECTIVE SERVICE CARD. HE PAID MILLIONS TO HAVE ALL HIS COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS AND OTHER RECORDS BURIED. IF HE IS NOT A FRAUD, WHY IS HE HIDING HIS PAST? TRY USING YOUR HEAD…..THINK ABOUT IT.

        • Orbitus

          OOOOO GRANDMA IS PISSED OFF. His birth certificate has been proven to be real, not to mention they have been having the very same conversation about Ted Cruz simply because he was PROVEN to be born in Canada but his Mother was a Natural Born Citizen so if Obama is a fraud then so is Cruz. Obama’s mother is the same, she was a citizen as well, so if its good for Cruz, why not Obama? Because he is black? Show your racism more. Just the very fact you brought up the birth certificate bullshit after 6 years just means you need to stop watching Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Again I reiterate that if he wasn’t a citizen the FBI would have stopped him before he was even a CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENCY. I am sure they do all the required background checks and crap before they are eligible for office.

  • Dave Wukusick

    what a sham(e)… that this idiot is the president of my United States.

  • k

    Question is, Will Americans Allow this Illegal or Unconstitutional Gun Grab by ignoring the Supreme Law of the Land. Just because a crook is in office doesnt mean the Order is LEGAL

  • none

    we are on the brink of major worldly changes and the so called elected leader of our country is trying to dis arm us why so another bunch can take over he thinks he has us buffaloed but it is not so he is undermining the citizens constitutional rights and they do not realize it nor wish to open there eyes elected officials should be voted out at anytime in my estimate and we should remove all incumbents

    • andrew

      the first one doesn’t seem too bad, why is it bad to close loopholes that criminals use?

      • HisStoryUn

        @Andrew, it is not about loopholes or criminals. A lot of law abiding citizens use trusts and corporations to buy sell and trade arms. One example is, if I want to pass my collection to my grandson without the hassle of probate court or deal with property taxes or estate taxes etc. the best way to do so might be for me to set up a trust through which he can become the legal owner of my collection without issue. Obama’s ruling is about non-criminals or confiscation in violation of the second amendment to the Constitution if you will. It is not nor has it ever been about criminals and crime prevention.

        • andrew

          Well it seems to be reported in this article that it’s “felons and others who would be otherwise prohibited from owning firearms” that would be affected..so yes, it seems to be about criminals and crime prevention. If you’re not allowed to wield a gun, then you shouldn’t be. If you’re an otherwise outstanding citizen then by all means own whatever as long as you pass the background check.

          • NOTMYGUN!

            Again, if a criminal wants to own a gun then NO LAW or EXECUTIVE ORDER will change that…the only effect this executive order will have is to hinder law abiding citizens from passing their guns to family members, just as HisStoryUn stated. Those that don’t abide by it become felons. I can SAY or WRITE anything, but it’s my intent and actions that really matter!

          • Smoothone

            Yeah, but it’s now effecting more than just the felons.. They use that as the “reason” but it’s taking rights away from all of us. Who’s to say I can’t leave my son guns?? felons or criminals otherwise never get guns legally anyhow. If they want to do something.. Make the law for them getting caught steeper.. Why punish us and why with a stretch of the allowable power with an Executive order.. The senate hasn’t passed this for a reason.. The people don’t want it.. Well, more likely the gun lobby since our words are no longer heard anyhow.

          • Daniel Ros

            Sure sounds great. Everything government does sounds great (the run ons are on purpose). Give money to third world foreign countries that need a hand out vs. give money to a puppet CIA installed dictator to ensure the dictators compliance with large connected international corporations who like to steal a third world countries resources rather then pay market value and therefore create wealth in a third world country and uplift a population????? Here is another one: Give medications to those who can’t afford it vs. GUARANTEEING absorbent costs of drugs to drug companies effectively destroying the free market push towards lower costs which would allow the average person to purchase and afford drugs without gov interference. Yet another one: Giving EBT to protect the poor and make sure they are not dying in the street vs. enticing a person to maintain lower societal status giving them just enough to keep them dependent paying them more if they become more single and more pregnant and more dependent and just enough money to buy crap cheap foods which destroys their thinking potential further enhancing their dependency and destroys their ability to get out of the situation at the same time guaranteeing (buying) votes for corrupted politicians who vote for these entitlements. Yet another one: putting regulations on polluting companies to reduce the pollution they make vs. a corporation lobbying for certain regulations to legalize polluting the farmers river downstream since they are now ‘PLAYING’ by the rules with the side benefit of reducing competition since the regulations are made in a way to create unreasonable barriers to entry in the marketplace. And the GRAND FINALE: a central bank that can control the money supply which stabilizes the fluctuating nature of the economy thereby stabilizing the economy and ensuring robust economic development vs. a group of bankers who were sick of being lynched for loaning more money then they had in the vaults setting the stage for bank runs who decided to put the federal government on the hook and therefore the tax payers for any mischief they create in the economy such as the great depression and other depressions actually created by the speculation and bubbles created by cheap money and lower then market value interest rates while they bail out their friends with YOUR and MY MONEY!!!!! And at the same time get the added benefit of owning and controlling our politicians except for the few (Ron Paul, Justin Amash, Dennis Kucinich) who are able to get elected despite the massive amounts of money and control. Are you starting to see the picture???? Don’t you think, like a chess player, you need to see a few moves ahead?????

  • jtak101

    The VAST MAJORITY of gun violence is done with weapons in the hands of young thugs that have never registered for anything, have stolen or purchased stolen weapons and will never ever comply with any gun laws, new or old. obama and holder wont go after the real gun problem because quite simply, in obamas own words..”if I had a son, he would look like him”.

    • TheDesertSage

      You are indeed one prejudice human…your using his quote to back your reasoning just points out that you think all blacks are criminals….you sir are letting your ignorance show.

      • jtak101

        Oh Please..I in no way stated ALL blacks are criminals, but facts will prove that a majority of gun deaths are caused by gang members, most of them with stolen guns, by young black males. It’s fact. If you want to accuse anyone of prejudice, take a look at US media, this administration, and those preprogrammed to call everything “racist”.

  • Ben Blaker

    Why doesn’t he tell that to the Mexican drug cartels he supplied under “fast and furious” or the jihadists who bring in guns he supplied them in foreign places ?

    Ohh, he did, but they took no notice ?

    Wow, now that’s a surprise ;-)

  • Jay Volk

    “United States Presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself.” Executive orders only apply to federal employees and agencies, not the people.

    • Jim

      “… not the people.” It stills affects the people.

      • Jay Volk

        So then it is just an abuse of the privilege? Which is, against the law we can safely assume? Just another reason to send the Articles of Impeachment.

  • Joe Eckstein

    The President Continues his search for: Weapons of Math Instruction: http://youtu.be/V9rLxGoRYjk

  • Logical01

    Everything this communist, muslim, illegal alien has done to date has been either against the Constitution, against the American people, or completely outside the scope of his authority.

    • Reefguy

      So you don’t like the president using Executive Orders even though:
      A. They are allowed by the very same constitution you clearly haven’t read.
      B. EVERY, I will repeat EVERY, president in our nations history has used this power many many times.

      Oh no, felons can’t use a loophole to get weapons! Seriously man don’t complain just because you can.

      • Jeff Robinson

        Executive orders are meant for officers and agencies of the executive branch, not to bypass the Senate and House of Reps. The aforementioned House and Senate are there for the people. They are supposed to listen to their constituents, the people that elect them. This is known as a Republic.

        • Reefguy

          What they are “meant for” can be argued throughout our entire nations history. Regardless of what our current president used it for it doesn’t change the fact the presidents both Repub and Demo do it regularly.

          Also if it wasn’t meant for presidents to be able to bypass congress there wouldn’t be a system that allowed congress to in essence veto his EO. Checks and Balances work both ways.

          • Brother Jonathan

            This is absolutely wrong. Executive orders need only be obeyed by administrative employees who want to keep their jobs. Executive orders do not have any authority on citizens per the Constitution.

      • Jonathan Stevens

        Do you know what George Washington used an executive order for, painting the white house. You’re right, all presidents have issued them. Some just actually abide by the constitution, not cheat, wrong, or defraud it.

        • Reefguy

          Ok this has so much fail in it. The white house wasn’t event built until the end of John Adams Presidency. George Washington issued 8 orders, none of which were “Paint the White House!” Try again.

      • Tomas Gilbert

        I will bet you 100.00 dollars you cannot buy a machine gun under a NFA trust or corp if you are a felon. I hold that bet out for anyone. I post with my real name. I hide nothing. This is just a waste of time. Stop reiterating the word loophole, as you are starting to sound like one. Research why people use a NFA trust. If you had any idea what goes into purchasing a machine gun in the USA, you would realize there is no way to get around a background check.

        • Brother Jonathan

          What are you talking about? Anyone can make a machine gun in a shop. That is why the laws against them are so stupid. Passing laws does not stop criminal behavior. We have thousands of years of history to prove that. Perhaps we could pass another law against killing people. Maybe that’ll work.

          • Tomas Gilbert

            You must be reading someone else’s post. Of course anyone can make a machine gun, but you become an instant felon in doing so. I am talking about useless laws, same as you.

      • crankyoldone

        The purpose of the E.O. was for THE ” Executive office” only ! It was NEVER meant for controlling the PEOPLE !

    • MEastman

      I find humor in your name “Logical01.” You have used text-book examples of logic in pointing out that our President is a “communist, muslim, illegal alien.” Left or right, at least try to sound like an intelligent human being when you comment. Progress is impossible if we act like immature children.

      • Jeff Robinson

        It’s immature to point out that our “president” is a communist, muslim, illegal alien?” Last I knew these weren’t insults. In fact, regarding the evidence at hand, Logical01 hit the nail right on the head.

        • Time Sage

          Except the US govenment isn’t as dumb as you think it is. If there was a problem they would have found it while he was CAMPAIGNING.

          • crankyoldone

            That’s just it …. the US (corporate name) has no problem with controlling the CHATTEL !

      • tp

        said very well dumbass hes correct everything this idiot is doing is against the constitution i would lay odds that you have never served your country tell that to the familys that up hold the constitution

        • TheDesertSage

          and Bush was any better? They have been whittling down our rights for the past 35 years…Don’t matter which president is in they keep chipping away in the name of fear.

      • Black Lauri

        “Progress” is such a nebulous construct of the mind. What is the definition of progress? And, why do we need it so badly all the time?

  • McKe

    U.S. weapons found in other countries must remain there!? So… disarm us.. and arm the other countries. This… this sounds so safe. I’m starting to believe the conspiracy theorists.

    • Donna

      You had better believe it!

    • crankyoldone

      Welcome aboard ! Make sure you get the heavy-duty foil . It makes the best hats and more protection for your BRAIN ;-)

  • Guest
  • Denise Weldon-Siviy

    Thank you President Obama for standing
    up to the gun lobby. I look forward to a day when I can send my kids to school,
    or to the mall, or to see a movie and not worry about yet another mass
    shooting. The gun lobby wants the whole country to live in fear and armed
    because it boosts their profits. Let’s stand up for FREEDOM instead. A
    nation in fear of guns is NOT free.

    • AceRuby

      Oh so a city like Chicago which doesn’t allow guns is much safer now? Yea I don’t think so honey go look up the facts Chicago’s crime rate is at an all time high and that’s because people don’t have the guns to protect themselves from people who are up to no good.

    • jack manhandle

      JIDF pls go.

    • truthhurts

      Everyone I knew had a gun in the 1970′s, neighbors family, et al, yet mass shootings weren’t the common place. Its not the guns that are killing people which is the obvious! Its not the gun lobbyists either, its the parents who are raising their children to be character flawed individuals, and mentally unstable people. Its the children being exposed to government lies and scandals when told to trust them, Its the media that promotes promiscuity, violence, and falsely mis-attributes truths, Its the parents who leave their children at daycares all day, so they can have their BMW car like the jones down the street. Its the fluoride in our water systems that is far more than needed for teeth, its causing hyper anxiety and instability psychologically, but it’s not the guns, Nope its not the guns…Its the flawed human that do these heinous acts regardless of the tools used to carry out the crime, if the notion that gun control stops murders is true then its the spoons and forks that make people obese….. It’s the cup that causes alcoholism, etc., so on and so forth. We as a society cannot keep blaming the symptom, but instead need to blame and treat the cause for once!

      • Orbitus

        And its the NRA stopping the CDC for doing testing that has anything to do with guns.

        • Tomas Gilbert

          Harvard Study Finds Violent Crime Rises As Gun Ownership Falls

          • Orbitus

            And yet none of the stuff he has EVER proposed goes to stop gun ownership. Not to mention the fact that it seems to work for Australia and England.

    • chris katko

      Mmmmmmm…that Jonetown Kool Aid tastes soooo good, doesn’t it?

    • Mark Kane

      How retarded is this person. Thank you….!!!!!!
      It’s like the founders said “You will ask for security….you will be stripped of your rights, and you will thank them for it”

    • Jim

      Yes, because these laws will TOTALLY stop criminals from getting weapons.

    • tp

      hey dumbass then go live in chicgo its safe there

      • TheDesertSage

        Denise you are living in a fantasy world if you think gun control will make your kids safe…Prohibition didn’t stop drinking just like gun control won’t stop sick or bad people from doing bad things…

    • travlyr

      Denise Weldon-Siviy
      Put a sign on your door or your yard telling the world that you are unarmed.

    • Wayne

      You are officially a moron. Guess what? Those school shootings? All occurred in a Gun Free Zone! The Theater shootings? Yep, you guessed it…Gun Free Zones. Silly Denise, Criminals don’t care about laws. It’s time to smarten up now, not get dumber.

    • Brother Jonathan

      Governments, who want you to be unarmed, killed over 250 million people last century. Disarming people is what mass murder is all about. The Jews in Germany learned that lesson in the 1940′s.

      If you don’t want your kids killed at school, then don’t send them to a school in a gun free zone because the killers don’t care about laws. If you don’t want your kids killed in the movie theater, then take your gun with you and shoot the killer before he shoots you or your kids. It is not my job to protect you, and the police are only minutes away when seconds count. They can’t protect you either. Killers do not care about laws.

    • Honestly

      IF you honestly think that criminals obey gun laws, you have a screw loose. Case in point shooting at malls, schools etc. The people who are doing this are not law abiding citizens. The people who obey the gun laws are NOT the ones doing the shooting. Name ONE mass shooting where e the gun was not illegally obtained. These schools and malls are GUN FREE zones so that’s why these cowards decided to attack those areas.. they knew there would be no one firing back. AND when there is a shooting going on .. who are you going to call? People with guns. It makes no sense. There will be no time that you can send your kids to the mall and them be safe because of the criminal element. There are more types of criminals that prowl the mall then just the gun toting ones and you know it. The criminal element in all its forms will NOT follow the rules which is why they are labeled just that. Now tell me, how is passing more laws going to stop these things from happening when they don’t ENFORCE the ones we have? Make the penalties more severe for breaking the law..

    • crankyoldone

      A Nation in fear of THEIR Government is NOT FREE !

  • Real Deal

    Kenyans got along for years and years w/ spears, why can’t you America? Ooops, Keyans were also brought here on slave ships! Any correlation?

    • Jim

      And they were given to us by OTHER KENYANS.

      • hermitress

        Yes, people to tend to forget that a large number of slaves would have been killed outright if not for being traded into slavery. Most were enemy’s of a tribe that lost a battle and would have been put to death if not for the slave trade.

        Yes, there were other slaves captured by white men and sold into slavery but once the tribes found a way to get rid of their enemies and to also profit it became easier to simply get the slavers to pickup their enemies.

  • Paul

    Just sounds like government flexing their muscles to see how much we, the people, will allow them to get away with. The powers that be do this kind of stuff as an experiment frequently.

  • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

    Obama is NOT the legislative branch and this is another abuse of authority.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Nordgren/100000058571505 Robert Nordgren

      Not true, it is very good use of the executive powers that are given the office of the president. just a step in the right direction we need a LOT more of it

      • Brother Jonathan

        Can you site anywhere in the Constitution where the President has this authority? It is an assumed power. The President does not have the power to take natural rights away from people.

      • Zack

        and ur an idiot if u think America needs MORE gun control…America needs LESS gun control! America needs a gun in every household!…we all know there would be alot LESS gun violence if the would- be attackers knew there was a gun at the side of their victims…Criminals are not stupid, they just have no morals…that’s the difference!

      • bugs07734

        What we need a LOT of is the enforcement of the guns laws already on the books…keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the gun trafficing of illegal ones…the VERY actions taken by the DOJ. How about an executive order stating that NO Govt agency or its dept heads can propose an operation which FORCE its agents, employees, or other govt entitys to BREAK ANY STANDING GUN LAWS that exists, NOR can they be immune to prosecution for caring out such actions that violate the Constitution, its Amendments, or any Bill of Rights. AND should evoke a fine, imprisonment, and a required passeing and completion of a Class Program which teaches the Constitution, its Amendments, and The Bill of Rights and how & where it limits their job when dealing with the public.

      • chris

        My concern is that the government decides who is ‘illegal’. Once they have to power to decide who can and cannot have guns, we lose the ability to have guns altogether.

        Background check? Ah… something popped up there… can’t sell you this gun…
        Mentally Ill? You are not? Hmm…. says here in your government file you are…. no gun… just not safe…
        Gun shipped overseas? Yeah, we can kill those people, but we don’t want you using that here… for your safety, of course….

        Try to look past “your safety from yourself” and see why they do not want us having guns. Can you think of a few reasons?

        • Thomas

          So we should just give guns to criminals and the mentally ill as well then? I must say this IS your most compelling argument. I mean I thought you guys were like ignorant sticks in the mud but now I see the light. It just makes so much sense, how did I not see it before!? – dear christ pull yourself together.

      • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

        Actually – I’m very correct and you are totally wrong. Try reading the Constitution. Executive orders are supposed to be for the Executive Branch only and are not supposed to cross branches. Obama is not the first one to abuse Exec orders – but he sure is making a habit of using them to try to circumvent Congress.

  • tp

    it should be congress to do this he is stepping out of line, why has congress not Impeached him, this is gettinout of hand is e not suppse tobe serving us not us bowing to his every comand

    • Orbitus

      Because he hasn’t done anything to deserve impeachment? Or do you think that if you disagree with it that any president should be impeached? Because we will go through a lot of presidents that way.

      • bugs07734

        For Obama OR the Congress to impede or infringe in any way in Americans the right to bear arms is against the Constitution. Obama in his executive orders that he keeps writing to DICTATE to Americans what we can and cannot do. These executive orders are a part of what is called “delegated powers” of the presidency. Powers that are allowed or not protested by Congress because they are usual a means of strenthening certain administrative policies or procedures which in a special or time limited situation needs to be further clarified in the details…. NOT a dictation of orders that out an out take action FORBIDDEN by the very CONSTITUTION of what limits the govt (includes all branches) from intruding on the rights of its citizens.

        • Orbitus

          Actually this is very VERY wrong. Considering that there have been laws made against the very 2nd amendment you hold so covetedly. You are just too stupid to realize that there has been laws made since the bill of rights was made. http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm ENJOY!.

  • TheDesertSage

    The first half of this law is already in effect. After so many years of not being in trouble my friend was able to expunge his record and can now carry a gun and this was before Obama….Ya my friend screwed up in his 20′s but he hasn’t since then…40 years ago…

    • chris

      This is a real issue for me, as well. When someone pays their ‘debt to society’, it should be paid in full. Being punished 20 years later for a youthful transgression is not liberty minded at all.

  • Brother Jonathan

    Executive Orders are like Judicial Reviews. They are assumed powers. No one must obey either. Their power comes from the gun. Your power comes from the gun. Never give up your gun.

  • Brother Jonathan

    Slaves were not allowed to be armed.

    • Kimber_TLE

      «begin sarcasm»

      Until the slaves were freed.
      But only after the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment.
      Passed by white people.
      Because only white people could vote.
      «end sarcasm»

      • Brother Jonathan

        And now the black guy wants to disarm us. I don’t think so.

        • Kimber_TLE

          Damn! I missed that one!?

          Making a third pot of coffee…

  • Dan Bender

    armed we are citizens,unarmed we are subjects

  • common sense

    These aren’t as terrible as people are makimg them out to be. He closed a loophole and stopped people from bringing guns designed for war back to the US and putting them in the hands of citizens or crimimals… now that being said he went about it in a terrible manor and one that is a very slippery slope you shouldn’t be angery about the contents but rather the method used to put those laws on the books… I want everyone to ask thems selves “in order to protect my self from thieves or intruders do I need 20+ bullets and a high powered rifle to do that?” If I takes you more than 5 or 6 shots to hit someone who broke into your home… then you dont need a gun because you cant use it effectively

    • Chris

      I’m not necessarily upset with what he changed; he closed loopholes, and I can agree that it may be a good loophole to have closed. However, the method in which he has done so is not acceptable. While it seems as if this issue is of high priority to Obama and to many Americans, it is certainly not justifiable to circumnavigate Congress to do so. Not in this situation. This is not a time sensitive, issue nor is it one that is immediately demanding attention. Abuse of power is abuse of power.

      • Leslie Frostig Miller

        While all of you are decrying his methods of using Executive Order, stop and think a moment about WHY he used it. We have a Congress that is actively obstructing any progress for our country, Executive Order is the only way anything seems to happen. It’s a true shame he had to use it.

    • Tomas Gilbert

      Since when does an M1 Garand hold 20 rounds? Perhaps you are speaking of the bolt action Springfield. I know the gang thugs use those all the time. These are old collector rifles. Name one instance where a NFA trust or corp was created to avoid a background check. Your insane if you think you can buy a machine gun without a background check with or without a NFA trust. This is just a waste of time.

    • Brother Jonathan

      “… the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

      Gun ownership and the number of bullets one has is not a right granted by government and therefore can not be taken away by government. The second amendment is a statement of fact. All life has the right to defend their life. Defense is a natural right that if restricted by anyone is an infringement of natural rights. The government does not have the authority to disarm people.

    • Kimber_TLE

      In Cleveland, it took 13 highly trained police officers firing 137 rounds to kill two suspects. Using my calculator, that’s 69 rounds per target.
      http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/why-did-it-take-137-bullets-cops-kill-two-unarmed-men-cleveland/59667/

      Your “If I takes you more than 5 or 6 shots to hit someone who broke into your home” assumes only one person broke into my home. What if there’s 2? Or 3?

      I have too much ammo,” said no one, ever, in a defensive situation.

    • You’re Lacking Sense

      You have never shot at something threatening you or some else have you (this is not a question).
      These are not loopholes to get automatics. What they really are doing is preventing the Civilian Marksmanship Program, set up by Congress in 1903, from returning semi-auto and bolt action guns given or sold to other countries, during WWII primarily, to the U.S. It is a way to directly use executive power to starve a program that was properly created by federal law. Autos that were not registered before 1986 cannot be privately possessed anyhow.
      As for the “trust or corporation loophole”, what is being done is making one individual be registered as the sole owner/legal possessor instead of a group of people being able to co-own or multiple descendants from inheriting a National Firearm Act controlled item (aka. automatic weapon, suppressor, short barreled weapon). People found a way to reduce the amount of tax they had to pay, and Obama now wants to make the $200 tax stamp and registration process redone each time someone dies. I’d like to see the BATFE admit they actually let the type of people Biden just claimed posses these restricted items legally have them.

    • Lacking common sense

      Why do you think you know what is best for me, and what equals adequate protection? Get your head out of the clouds and pay attention to how we are loosing all our freedoms.

    • crankyoldone

      And what if … say the Chinese or Syria Rebels come to home ? Same 5 or 6 shots ? The right to bear ARMS has NOTHING to do with break-ins . It’s to STOP TYRANNY !

      • Thomas

        We’re not losing our freedoms, we’re not under a tyranny, chinese and syrian rebels don’t habitually show up at our homes, it only takes one bullet to kill someone if you know how to use a gun, all of these facts are very good rebuttals to the same shit I’m reading over and over again in these comments.

        • crankyoldone

          Oh ok , tell that to the folks arrested for raw milk . Or the kid who was arrested for a F.B. post . Or how bout those folks listening to all (NSA) . Or how bout the parents of the little girl who was taken from them for smoking pot and then had her head bashed in by Government approved fosters . And why DID the government feel the need to buy MILLIONS of ROUNDS of hollow point ? Close enough to tyranny for me . But I’m SURE it will get worse !

        • Rainsfire

          Wake up
          we have lost a lot,
          JOB’s
          PAY
          OUR HEALTH CARE
          can no longer tour the white house.
          and that’s just to start
          NOW THEY WORKING ON OUR GUNS.
          have you been asleep the last few years.
          A president that does not listen to the people

        • Steven

          You sound like you’ve never been shot at, or shot at anyone. One bullet is almost NEVER enough bullets. Though, I find it odd that you would say “we’re not losing our freedoms” while simultaneously making an argument that sounds like you favor the limiting of magazine sizes… which is, in and of itself, a restriction on my right to keep and bear arms.

  • WildCat58

    Think about this: A juvenile that was in and out of mental health facilities, diagnosed bi-polar, and had a court record that included assault is now in the military. As a youth, he was placed in a facility for wayward teens because he was in constant trouble, while there he made a “fire bomb” and was charged in juvenile court with making a device designed to start a fire, cause harm to others, etc. Late into his teens, he had assault charges, contributing to the delinquency of minors, and destruction of government property (sprinklers@jail). This young man somehow got into the military!! He couldn’t have told the truth on his applications, so didn’t they check his background, or were his juvenile records exempt? Also, he was diagnosed bi-polar while in college, but he wouldn’t take the medications, so he left school. In the past 5 years, he’s been married, assaulted his last girlfriend, and drinks far too frequently for someone that has a background such as his and has been diagnosed with bi-polar. Guess what he does in the military? He fires missile! And we’re worried about people carrying pistols.

    • Brother Jonathan

      Exactly. That is what governments do best. They kill people. It is easier to kill if the people are disarmed.

    • Kevin Merck

      Come, come, now. You are talking bad about someone who has all the makings of a future President.
      Why do you think they sealed all of Obama’s records?

  • Andrea

    Glad he did. I can’t believe what kind of loopholes exist.

    • Kimber_TLE

      Dateline Anytown, USA: CEO John Doe, DBA “Purple Drank, Inc” bought an M1 rifle and went beserk today at a local playground.

      Dateline Yourtown, USA: Harry Guy killed a multitude of people today, using a full-automatic pick-a-weapon-here.

      Remind me … How many times have we seen either of these two headlines? And if you’re searching Wiki right now, you’re proving my point – these actions will reduce no violence.

    • Informed Citizen

      These are not loopholes to get automatics. What they really are doing is preventing the Civilian Marksmanship Program, set up by Congress in 1903, from returning semi-auto and bolt action guns given or sold to other countries, during WWII primarily, to the U.S. It is a way to directly use executive power to starve a program that was properly created by federal law. Autos that were not registered before 1986 cannot be privately possessed anyhow.

      As for the “trust or corporation loophole”, what is being done is making one individual be registered as the sole owner/legal possessor instead of a group of people being able to co-own or multiple descendants from inheriting a National Firearm Act controlled item (aka. automatic weapon, suppressor, short barreled weapon). People found a way to reduce the amount of tax they had to pay, and Obama now wants to make the $200 tax stamp and registration process redone each time someone dies. I’d like to see the BATFE admit they actually let the type of people Biden just claimed posses these restricted items legally have them.

    • crankyoldone

      Andrea , consider this ; You live in Syria lets say . You have military and “rebel” forces all around you . You are a Mom . You have a small place . Your 3 small children and 4 goats live there . Your husband has died or left you . Your Country is OCCUPIED . You have NO CHOICE in the matter . You have a knock at your door . Your kids are inside . The ENEMY has come to YOUR door . Do you NOT WANT the SAME weapon as THE enemy ??? Of course you do ! Your CHILDREN’s survival depend on YOU being able to fight off the attack . In today’s world you have NO IDEA WHO the enemy is or where they will come from . You should be prepared for anything . And you have the RIGHT !

      • Thomas

        She doesn’t live in Syria, and he’s not taking away all your weapons, so why don’t you just chill out

        • Robert

          He has no right to IMPOSE ANY restrictions. You liberals are so dumb. The amount of FULL AUTO parts kits that are in this country already, some bubba could and I am sure some do put them back together in the ORIGINAL configuration.
          You liberals keep stirring the pot and pissing those people off your gonna wish you had left people’s rights alone. I am a firearms dealer and here lately we have debated this very subject of how many underground contraband machine guns are floating around. Most in the gun world think that there’s is a high likelihood that for every 1 registered NFA machine gun that’s transferable there’s 100 that isn’t and are not accounted for.
          Those are not legal and even though there are laws preventing it they are there anyway. What are you going to do? Ban them Ban them? How many bans are going to get rid of this problem? NONE because it was your dumb ban that made them go underground to start with. Same with dope. People get murdered in the drug trade every day. If the crap was legal there would be tax revenue and people wouldn’t get murdered over it everyday. People are gonna do stuff regardless of what laws you pass to prevent it. People that want to smoke pot or shoot up do it every day yet it isn’t legal. Hell look at prohibition. The federal government gave organized crime the biggest racket of the 20th century.
          Do you honestly think that if those people get mad enough they wont step up and do something? You would be very naïve to think that. There are more weapons in civilian hands than the government has. the standing army is less than 500,000. Theres 1.25 MILLION gun owners with 500 MILLION guns in this country. Wake up because your pissing up the wrong tree. This country was founded by the BRITISH GOVERNMENT pissing up the wrong tree, They got their asses kicked.
          It would be nice if you people would STOP trying to push your progressive bullshit ideology on the world. The reason this country is screwed up is because of the liberal mindset. Liberals have no values, react with emotion instead of common sense, argue that people deserve stuff free. Nothing is free and SOMEONE has to pay for it even if you don’t.
          I know I am beating a dead horse but I have seen how many guns get sold and heard all the stories of preppers on the net and at shows etc. I am a fairly neutral person and all the dumb shit that keeps getting crammed down Americas throat is gonna come to a head at some point. I don’t want to be near any of it. Every man has his breaking point and I think that this administration has pushed too far way too fast and its going to cause a problem.
          This however is just an observation from someone that knows socialism is under the guise there’s equal suffering for everyone under socialist rule. Liberals are too damn stupid to realize all this because you were not born with common sense. Liberals hold forth the proposition that its entirely possible to pick up dog shit from the clean end. Ownership of personal property, GUNS etc is a constitutional right, Healthcare is a LUXURY and you must PAY for luxury..

        • crankyoldone

          So you think they can’t find their way here ? So you think our Government is HONEST ? So you think ….. that EVERYTHING is just PERFECT ?

        • Badd Karma

          you are a fool

  • ermac

    People are you serious!!!! Even if he is doing stuff he still has to follow the law -___- really on a site like this you guys are still defeding a person breaking the most important rules.

  • ashleigh

    DUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH.

    *that’s the type of answer the question posed at the end of this article deserves*

  • Shane

    I know I am crazy, but I feel society would be safer if everyone was given fully automatic machine guns and lawfully could walk into any building with it strapped to their backs.

    • Thomas

      Yeah, you are crazy

  • crankyoldone

    I love how the Government can give arms to Mexican drug lords as in Fast & Furious , Al CIAda as in war with the Ex Soviet Union and the Syria Rebels as in Bengazi . And then they just EXPECT that we (Americans) will just roll over and say ” ok you can Dis-Arm us . We TRUST YOU !”. Really ? Who can not see the writing on the wall ? This government is NOT of The People !

  • Tim U

    The article is misleading.

    First, the trust registration only works with NFA items. These items are extremely difficult to legally obtain, requiring a good amount of paperwork, a $200 tax stamp per item, and close to a year of waiting for the ATF to process the paperwork.

    You still have to fill out other forms when making the initial NFA item purchase, which include a background check. The same background check you get if you buy a non-NFA regulated firearm (read: the guns you see in your local gun store). There is no “loophole” to be found here. At all.

    The whole point of trusts was to create legal protection for spouses or family. If I owned a legally registered NFA item (I don’t, too expensive for me), and I died…. the ATF would charge my wife with illegally possessing an NFA item, which is a felony. Even if it never left my safe and she called them to collect it post-my demise. With a trust, you can register multiple people, and create that legal protection so your family isn’t charged with a felony if you die.

    Second point: This is deliberately misleading the non-gun owning population. What this article fails to mention about the allegedly “military grade” firearms not being allowed back in to the country are 60+ years old or older, are mostly bought by people with an interest in history, and have always been perfectly legal to own in the United States. They don’t even fit the description of the proposed “assault weapons ban” that Obama, Feinstein, and other Democrats pushed so hard for and failed to achieve. They don’t fit the Clinton-era AWB either.

    Oh, and most of them are bolt-action rifles… just like millions of hunting rifles in your grandfather’s gun cabinet.

    • xexorz

      I believe a Trust Company also allows you to pass that weapon down to your children in the event of death (please someone correct me if I’m wrong). Otherwise the weapon suddenly becomes nobodies and illegal for anyone to possess.

      I’d love to hear from anybody about one of these particular weapons ever being used in a violent crime.

      Fully auto weapons of this category START at around ~$15,000 US. Find me a criminal who can afford one or someone willing to sell one for less. This “law” is a solution to a non-problem and serves no purpose but to spit into the face of the gun owning and freedom cherishing public.

      Too many tyrants.

    • Robert

      If you croak the executor has the same authority over your NFA item/s as you had. ATF does not come lock someone up because you died. Sorry, it don’t work that way.

  • annonymous

    He is absolutely overstepping his authority and role as President. He thinks he is king of this country, but Congress continues to allow him to do what he does. He needs to be impeached. He continues to make bad decisions for America and America’s people while disarming us and arming other nations. He apologizes for us while we will spend the rest of our lives apologizing to our children for ever allowing this man to set foot in the white house.

  • libertarianwoman

    Asshole. So we can’t have the same weapons they screw up and sell to our future enemies.

  • John Senkiw

    We still have a constitution??

    • crankyoldone

      Only the 16th amendment survives !

      • John Senkiw

        Only because it involves money for the “agenda”….

  • RayH

    Is an Executive Order a law? If the President can just dictate laws by Executive Order, then why do we even have a congress? What happened to checks and balances that are supposed to keep the three branches of government from over stepping their authority?

    • William Scot Ellis

      When you have idiots in congress that do nothing for the will of the people because of special interest groups that “pay to play” someone needs to do something and he has the power !

      • Ralph E Berkeypile Jr

        The president neither cares for the will of the people, nor does he have the power. He cares only for the will of his bankster masters who put him in the Whitehouse. Obama is committing an act of naked criminal usurpation. His executive order has no force of law and must be ignored for the garbage it is.

  • Cricket

    The President is Under Article II of the Constitution, (the President) is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress. The president has no power to create laws. He has overstepped his power. The Supreme Court, however, put a stop to this (boundaries regarding Presidential Executive Orders) in 1952 when they were faced with the case Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. vs Sawyer. In this case, the Supreme Court ruled Harry Truman’s Executive Order 10340 which put all steel mills in the country under federal government control. The Supreme Court called this executive order invalid because it attempted to make law, which was the job of the legislative branch (Senate and House of Representatives). Since then executive orders pertaining to laws were only allowed to be carried out when they are used to clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution.
    It’s time for our country to start challenging these illegal Executive Orders.

  • Joe

    As a FFL holder, and a owner of a corporation; I can tell you this, laws were passed to allow corporations to exists as an entity of its own, with the same rights and privileges as you and I, legally a corporation can buy/sell property, posses firearms and any legal item an individual can have.

    All property is in the name of the corporation, not any one individual, but any officer of the corporation can use any property held by the corporation, there’s the loophole, meaning if you were a felon and were an officer of a corporation who owned firearms, you would have access to the firearms, and if your corporation were incorporated in a state that allows the officers to remain annyomous, then you have indeed used the loophole, to me you would not have violated any law, other than A felon with a firearm, but the loophole is legal, as congress not you or I wrote the law, but failed to clairify it.

    On the part of the NFA items, these are legal in some states, and yes if you live in a state that allows you to have a .50cal, then all that required is for you to go to yor FFL fill out the paperwork, he submits it to the ATF along with the one time $200.00 fee, you wait roughly six months for approval/denial from ATF, if approved your FFL is notified, he will notify you, you show up and pay the remaking fees and finish any required paperwork and you are on your way.

    Your FFL has to have the proper type license before he can engage in NFA firearms, it requires register action with the state department and and annual fee or around $2500.00, and is why most FFL holders do not engage in these types of firearms.

    • Ralph E Berkeypile Jr

      I have a real problem with the criminal, violent, and totally illegitimate US government making rules for anyone. I don’t trust criminals with guns, but I trust a criminal with a military grade firearm much more than I would trust the illegitimate US government with one. Any federal gun laws, either through legislative or executive usurpation, must be ignored and actively violated. It’s our right.

  • David

    Since when does a US President have the power to create laws out of thin air?

    • Thomas

      Are you familiar with the concept of an executive order….?

      • Johnny

        The corrupt concept that abuses the authority and power given to the president by the people? Our governmental system is supposed to be for the people’s benefit, fair, of separated powers, and checks. Obama is acting like he is the total-controller, all-powerful dictator more and more everyday. (if you’ve ever read any part of dictatorial history you’d have realized this long ago)

        • Rachel Zamoria

          you mean omg he’s just like bush.

          • Doug Peters

            Bush on steroids

    • Dead American

      Congress is too busy stealing to worry about writing laws, and who needs congress when you can just make up your own orders without having to uphold those pesky rules in that old Constitution (sarcasm) Obama is going to make great martial law – 3rd term El Presidenta’

      • Rainsfire

        And this is what the people voted into office, When there is no medicare or SS or food stamp because no one is working and people start to go hungery there will be trouble. and if Obama has his way the only people with guns will be the government. Wake up every one before our America is gone with no chance of return

    • Squall Lionheart

      The answer is that he doesn’t. However King Barry the 1st has decided to throw all that silly nonsense of laws and constitutional limitations out the window.

    • Steven

      There isn’t anything inherently unconstitutional about an Executive Order. It’s just a formal order that is passed down to the Executive Branch, generally in the form of restrictions; and usually, these orders are drafted in such a way as to reflect a *policy.*

      For example: EO 12333 establishes limits and procedures on the US intelligence community, including (but not limited to): the prohibition of intelligence collection against US citizens, unless it is the authorized mission of that unit (I.E., the FBI, Police, etc.); and the mandate of sharing of information between intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI, NSA, Military, etc.) to prevent the duplication of effort, and therefore the waste of tax money.

      Unfortunately, sometimes EOs are drafted in response to a law not being passed… and that’s when we see things like the above.

  • Barrington_Hyde

    Yes, Michael, there is little difference between the current tenant of the Oval Office and Haiti’s Papa Doc and the Tonton Macoute. But a greater worry is the thought that this malevelent figure was groomed and placed in that position not only as an effrontery to the European-American majority, but precisely because his Marxist/anti-American stance assures his willingness to strike such a path.

    In my opinion, Congress is no less culpable for having tolerated these excesses so long. Increasingly there is talk of impeachment, and articles are long overdue, but I fear that career politics produce a lot of grandstanding with little promise of concrete action. Washington has become a ghetto of subversives and sell-outs.

  • Scared Silly

    No executive orders!!!! All laws need to be voted in by the Senate and Congress – he is not a ruler – he is the President of the United States and needs to abide by the Constitution and our rules of governing. If you think this is good, you are insane!!!!

    • Orbitus

      None of these are against the constitution, not to mention they close 2 loopholes that were bad. So just to let me clarify, you would let criminals and mentally incapable people get weapons through this said loophole? Nice to know that.

      • Squall Lionheart

        How exactly do you figure that they are constitutional? The fact is that there are more gun laws on the books right now the problem that every authoritarian liberal ignores is that criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS!!! That is why they are criminals…period!!

        • Orbitus

          Keep telling yourself that.

          • Squall Lionheart

            Telling myself what exactly?

          • Orbitus

            That they aren’t constitutional because they are. Neither of them should effect law abiding citizens and they enhance other laws on the books, they aren’t making new laws like everyone claims they are.

          • Squall Lionheart

            Really? Please show me where in the Constitution it grants the “president” legislative powers?

          • Orbitus

            Show me where these are actual laws and not enhancing and enforcing laws already on the books?

          • Jason Wright

            The case that was the excuse for the second executive order involved M-1 rifles, which are legal to own in the U.S. Tell me how making a weapon that was made here, and is legal here, illegal to purchase, is not a new law and an overreach of executive power.

          • Bru

            Its not that what he passed is a good or bad idea, it is the fact that he is overstepping his bounds. It is happening more too often now. Then people fight over if it was a good idea instead of using that energy to fight checks and balances. We do not want a dictator folks.

            Really, don’t you think if it was that simple and reasonable that he could of passed them through the senate. I mean if the bill was not so packed full of fat and made confusing, it would be a no-brainer.

          • Orbitus

            Maybe its because there are more guns than just M-1 Garands that this EO effects? Maybe there is several automatic rifles as well that is effected by that EO?

          • Jason Wright

            The inclusion of any weapon that is legal oversteps, and if the weapon is already illegal to sell or own, then what is the point?

          • Orbitus

            Really? Because there are several laws outlawing many weapons that no one can own. Not to mention what the point is? Yeah that would be the CLARIFICATION part of the law already on the BOOKS. That is what the Executive Order is for.

          • Squall Lionheart

            It does not matter if it enhances existing law or not, the president DOES NOT HAVE the Constitutional power to make law..PERIOD!!! that falls to the Legislative branch, NOT the executive! Once again; show me where in the Constitution it grants King Barry the 1st the power to make or change law. You won’t because you can’t because it doesn’t.

          • Orbitus

            Someone doesn’t know what Executive orders are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order Have a look at the actual use and definition of the orders. Maybe you will understand. Most likely not though since you are that dense.

          • Squall Lionheart

            Leave it to authoritarian control freaks to resort to name calling. Well if you want a King so badly then We The People should simply call for the dissolving of the congress and all their powers since we have a King to rule over us. One that if, congress doesn’t let him have his way, in keeping with separation of powers, like a spoiled petulant child he simply issues a royal decree, i.e. E.O. Executive orders were not intended for We The people but for Government employees. that intent has been perverted over time, and by people’s ignorance, to what we now have, a president with no checks and balances on what powers he may grant himself. In other words…a dictator!!!

          • Orbitus

            So I am an authoritarian because I speak the truth? Keep telling yourself that.

          • Squall Lionheart

            No, you are an authoritarian control freak because you choose to rally around a traitorous criminal who will have his way regardless of what the people, who are his boss, want! Because you refuse to see that just because he issues a royal edict that it doesn’t make it right. just because something is “legal” does not make it lawful, and people have forgotten the difference between the two. What you need to do is to read the 2nd amendment. then consult Webster to find the definition of infringed, I’m sure that you won’t but then I’m also sure that you will be more than pleased if King Barry simply decides to ban all guns.

          • Orbitus

            Are you serious? Traitorous criminal to who? You, because you were abusing said loophole? You see it is legal, and lawful, if congress wants to challenge it, let them take it to the supreme court. You as an archair lawyer with your 8th grade education shouldn’t be able to say what is right and what is wrong.

            You should read the same dictionary and look up well-regulated. He isn’t and neither is any president going to repeal the 2nd amendment. I have guns, I shoot guns, I hunt and fish. Yet all of these executive orders are good. Same with the background checks before. Unless you are a criminal, it shouldn’t effect you. Now judging by your retarded comments you might have mental health issues so then you would have your rights rightfully revoked, especially with the last few years with all of the crazies coming out and mass shooting people.

            Thank goodness you don’t have the right or ability to change any laws on the books because I fear more people would be dying because of you. Thanks to the Brady Bill for stopping that dumbass on the Navy base from getting the AR15 he wanted. Instead he got a shotgun. Otherwise there would likely be more dead.

            Think about those apples.

            Also if you want questionable Executive orders read number 5 of this list. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/recycled/2009/01/ten_to_toss.2.html

            No. 5: Free Rein in Iraq
            Executive Order 13303 (PDF)
            May 28, 2003

            What the order says: Issued two months after the
            invasion of Iraq, this order offers broad legal protection for U.S.
            corporations dealing in Iraqi oil. Bush’s directive, justified as a
            means of protecting Iraqi oil profits, nullifies any sort of judicial
            proceedings relating to either Iraqi petroleum or the newly created Development Fund for Iraq.
            The executive order also declares a national emergency to deal with the
            threat to a peaceful reconstruction of Iraq, which Bush has renewed
            every year since, most recently in May 2008.

            Why it should go: This directive is the foundation
            for all of Bush’s subsequent executive orders on Iraq (see No. 6,
            below), so it’s the logical place to begin rolling back abuses of
            authority relating to the war. Given the many concerns over cronyism
            and waste by U.S. contractors in Iraq, revoking their blanket legal
            protection when oil is on the table is justified. Watchdog groups
            originally feared that the order could be used to prevent people with
            tort claims from suing corporations working in Iraq. That hasn’t come to
            pass so far—Tom Devine, the legal director at the Government
            Accountability Project, says he has not seen the order applied in any
            legal case. Still, given that the United States will probably be in Iraq
            for at least 16 months
            after the next president takes office, it’s not too late to inject a
            little accountability into the contracting. As the Government
            Accountability Project wrote at the time, “The scope of the EO’s mandate
            for lawlessness is limited only by the imagination.” The order is also
            overkill; the U.N. resolution that passed concurrently with it, which was hailed as a major diplomatic victory for the United States and Britain at the time, contains more limited legal immunity for oil-related commerce in Iraq.

            Now that is a questionable executive order.

      • AZSDFT

        YOU obviously only know what you read and have no REAL knowledge of what these affect. These don’t close any “LOOPHOLE” You need to learn the FACTS and show knowledge instead of opening your mouth and proving your foolishness.

        • Orbitus

          Someone didn’t read the actual EOs that were added. The first EO adds that felons or mentally incapable people like you shouldn’t and can’t get weapons through corporations. That could potentially close a pretty big loophole. So take your own advice and learn to read before you type.

          • Steven

            “I disagree with your viewpoint, and so I’m going to call you mentally incapable.”

          • Orbitus

            No I am just saying that if you didn’t read any of them and automatically jump on anything with gun regulations in it as they are trouncing on your freedoms, then I reserve the right to call you a moron.

          • Steven

            “If you’re lazy, I reserve the right to call you retarded.”

          • Orbitus

            OK you lost the debate. You don’t have anything to rebut with so you just gave up any leg you had to stand on.

          • Steven

            Whatever you say, bro. I’m not the one trying to justify resorting to petty name-calling.

          • Orbitus

            No you are just the one not bothering reading what was written, then trying to sound cute when you have no argument to back up your debate. So just stop typing, you will look smarter.

          • Steven

            I’m genuinely 100% unconcerned with your opinion of me. You can’t even form an argument without trying to insult the person you’re talking to… which says a lot more about you than it does about everyone you’ve been trying to insult.

            As does the sheer amount of time you have to dedicate to arguing all over this page. I’m going to go to work, now. Enjoy being petty on the internet.

          • Orbitus

            Yet you keep replying, so yo must be concerned.

          • Steven

            To be honest, it’s mildly entertaining to see you run around in this discussion, acting like you’re the smartest person here, throwing around insults, and pretending like that makes your argument the best on this page. It’s like listening to someone who just learned their first curse word.

            Usually, when I see people acting like you do, over the internet, it’s because it’s the only place they can get away with it.

          • Orbitus

            Sorry that reality and truth has a liberal bias.

          • Steven

            LOL I didn’t expect you to start making up arguments, too! Now, this is a treat! I challenge you to go ahead and read through every post I have *ever* made using Disqus, and point out one time — just ONE time — I have complained about a liberal bias.

            What you are doing, right now, is making up an argument that hasn’t happened… attributing it to me… and then trying to fight that.

          • Orbitus

            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/us/in-gun-trusts-a-legal-loophole-for-restricted-firearms.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

            Read that. Most gun trusts required the background checks to have taken place because it was the law. Now with the executive order ALL OF THEM HAVE TO.

          • Steven

            I didn’t see anything about gun trusts requiring a background check; but a lack of evidence is not synonymous with being wrong, so I’ll assume you got that elsewhere. Based on my own research, it would be wise for the owner of the trust to perform a background check, but I saw nothing to suggest that a background check was required to use a gun trust, since all of the guns seem to belong to the owner of the trust.

            1) “NFA items owned by trusts are legal possessions of the Trustee (or Trustees if more than one Trustee is serving). Each Trustee may use the firearm as well as any beneficiary in the presence or under the authority of the Trustee. Be sure to not cause an ‘accidental felony’ by naming a beneficiary who is legally not allowed to use, possess or own a firearm.”
            http://www.woodatter.com/lawyer-attorney-1743142.html

            What I did see in your article, however, is several instances of reporting by the A.T.F. and the NY Times that gun trusts do not require you to run a background check, and are actually specifically exempt from background checks on all of the forms.

            From that article you posted:

            1) “… most gun dealers continue to require background checks for the representative of the trust who picks up the firearm. But not all do.”

            2) “Mr. Campbell [, a spokesman for the A.T.F.,] confirmed that under current regulations, background checks were not required for the buying of restricted firearms through trusts.”

            3) “The A.T.F.’s regulations, in fact, exempt trusts from background checks, as noted in the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide.”

            4) “Many dealers conduct checks anyway. But others take the government at its word. One dealer, for example, said he did not think he had to run background checks for sales to trusts because Form 4473, the record of the transaction filled out by the dealer and the customer and sent to the A.T.F., specifically lists trust transfers of restricted firearms as an exception to the requirement for background checks.”

            However, those sources also explain that the EO created a new restriction by imposing background checks on people for associating with NFA Trusts. Rewriting the regulation to state “the representative of the trust, picking up the weapon, will be subject to a background check” makes sense, and is legal.

            Requiring a background check on the owner of the trust (since all the guns belong to them) and running THAT background check, and treating all of the beneficiaries as “borrowers” makes sense, since that’s the concept behind what’s going on. However, requiring people to complete background checks simply for being associated with these trusts (which is what I’m reading) creates a NEW restriction; not tightening an already existing one. This is, specifically, what I believe is overstepping the bounds of Executive power and into the realm of legislation… and why I take issue with this.

            As a side note: The article (and my independent research, cited above) explained that criminals have a disincentive to use a gun trust, because it’s actually cheaper and faster to buy these guns illegally… and it isn’t reported to the A.T.F. and doesn’t leave a paper-trail. It’s pretty clear that everyone (A.T.F., news agencies, executive branch, etc.) knows that this will do very little to stop crime, but will do a whole lot to stop the legal ownership of NFA firearms.

  • RandomHuman

    So wait it’s ok for our government to send guns to other countries but we aren’t allowed to have them? Hmmmm.

  • Guibensotar

    I worry that the exec order, while seemingly innocuous because hardly any weapons are affected and little opposition is likely to occur, will be a precedent setter for further actions and exec orders that will affect gun owners. That’s how you get what you want against opposition. You never see the solution as a single step, rather, as a series of steps toward a goal. That’s how our tax system has grown beyond any rational dimension. Notice that the announcement coincided with the congressional recess and the Labor Day Holiday…… Slides right by with hardly a mention.

  • SimonW

    I believe that the US government will be trying to dis arm the civi population as much as possible before the crash of the $ and the mass unrest that will follow. The USA have just ordered a massive amount of weapons and ammunition which are staying in America which I think is for the exact same reason.

  • BobtheGrape

    Executive orders do a dictator make.

    • Orbitus

      Except every president has used them. So does that make presidents like George Washington or Abraham Lincoln dictators?

      • Flaladybug

        Yes…Orbitus…most presidents have used Executive Orders during their presidency. However, the fact that Obama has enforced more Executive Orders than ALL PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED is a pretty big indicator that he is nothing more than a petulant man-child determined to have his way…..by any means necessary.

        • Matt

          and/or has signed fewer than our previous 5 presidents, but this is just based on our national archives. Could be wrong.

        • Orbitus

          Or that the current unworking congress will do anything and everything to do NOTHING during their terms because of the REPUBLICANS. When they say on the first week of Obama’s first term that they will do anything and everything to make Obama a 1 term president then, who’s to blame? Obama or the non-functional congress?

          • Steven

            Both. Congress for being immature and petty, while soaking up our tax dollars; and the POTUS for trying to violate the Constitution to circumvent them.

          • Orbitus

            O but he isn’t circumventing the congress or violating the constitution. Hes enhancing or clarifying other laws already on the books. Which is EXACTLY what EOs are used for.

          • Wraith

            It is still obama’s fault. The fact that he did bow down to the foreign king of Saudi Arabia tells you everything. The fact that he did the same dam thing in Libya, attack without congressional approval. The fact that he did nothing to save our own men when the terrorists attacked the Benghazi embassy. The fact that the CIA is stating that they are training foreign freedom fighters to defeat the Syrian regime under Assad. The fact that all of this was made without the public’s knowledge. The fact that obama has been sending weapons to the rebels without the public knowing it. The fact that he made a speech addressing the muslim world on the holy Quran, a speech that is still on u-tube. This is not our war to fight. Instead, he should be thinking on the way on how to finish once & for all, our incursion in Afghanistan, so he can bring our boys back home, where they belong, with their family & friends.
            obama represents big government, he has forgotten that he works for the people, not the other way around.

          • Orbitus

            Where are you seeing that he is trying to disarm ANYONE? Would he like to disarm people? Yes. Is he going to try? NO. Take your damn tinfoil hat off and stop stockpiling ammunition for the non existent attack on citizenry and come out into the real world. Not some Fox News trash of that bullshit 2016 movie. Where has anyone ever said he was pro-Muslim? Using the Hitler analogy means you are just as retarded as I thought you were. Who did he disarm? Oh yeah the JEWS. Why? Because he hated JEWS. Hitler didn’t disarm his precious Aryan race, he disarmed the people he didn’t want having guns because to him they were inferior people. Here’s a TRIPLE FACEPALM because you severely need one https://retronet.nl/proxy/?q=http://images.retecool.com/uploads/reet-triple-facepalm.jpg

        • Tom

          No he hasn’t.

  • Psyman

    A good defense is a good offense. Lock and load Americans the Amerikans are comin’ after us.

  • Wanda M Hurt

    One we make guns in this country and they can be sold and bought by any American Citizen that has not committed a federal crime, what is so wrong with that? Most of those who kill with guns have not been yet charged with a federal charge of any kind. there are way too many illegal guns and at some point I think people need to realize while we have the right to bear arms to protect us self and personal property, we too have the right to protect us from the over throw of cops/ government who abuse their powers. This is not a communist country and our constitution was created to protect us against such control.
    This measure just serves to protect us from excess guns on the streets from felons. Does it protect us from those who kill our children in the schools, does it protect us from the crazy postal disgruntle postal worker, or someone who has lost their job unfairly and looses their ability to control their pain body and kills innocent people at the shopping mall, no. Guns are everywhere and sold openly at gun shows, Wal’mart, this is not why he does not want the thugs to import guns that are sent over seas. Is there any other hidden agenda behind this well how could we possibly know how bad things really are, we are just informed what was is leaked to us..
    Personally, which president or congressional party in acted the policy of selling and providing guns to other countries to kill and promote their political, religious views on others? It is the same families who have made all their money over the last 100 years in this country, all the for the sake of $$$$$$$$$….I
    agree with what the President did…. on this matter anyway…

    • AZSDFT

      These “false Laws” Obama passed do nothing of what you speak. IF you knew anything about the import of historical Military Firearms ou would know that the Civilian Marksmanship Program and other FEDERAL programs have been importing the M-1 Garand and M-1 Carbine for AGES, and to get one of those firearms now covered in the FRAUD of a bill, a BACKGROUND CHECK IS REQUIRED. Thugs don’t import them!
      The banning of passing guns to a Corporation / Trust to keep them from Felons? He is such a lying manipulating ashat it’s pathetic. HIS way of control over guns and the people that own them. When was the FIRST SECOND or even the LAST time you EVER heard of someone getting a Corporate owned, or Trust owned firearm and killing somebody? NEVER! He is a lying backhanded UNAMERICAN TWOFACED SOCIALIST PIECE OF CRAP TRYING TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY! WAKE THE HELLUP!

    • Slim_Strontem

      I hope they check the quality of your work before they pay you for it.

      • Paul Revere

        Nice, those trolls make minimum wage these days, but heck at least they have a job right? Unfortunately they are not fooling anyone.

  • Pat Hines

    The first EO does nothing. A trust must list the trustees, all of whom must pass a background check through NICS. If a trustee permits access by a prohibited person, he is committing a felony and can be arrested.

    The second EO is unlawful under current US law, so I expect lawsuits over it. We should see arrests of any US government employee who attempts to enforce it, but we are unlikely to see such a wonderful thing.

  • Albert Schortz

    Obama does not, I repeat, does have an authority to do anything in this country including taking a piss anywhere. How many times do citizen’s, states, and We, the people have to tell you that this nobody is exactly that. Show us one piece of legal paper that he is not an illegal alien, which in our laws and Constitution prohibits him from even holding a job as a homosexual in the place he used to get his butt worn out at in Chicago on the south side. Ask Rev. GD America Wright, he will talk if they haven’t killed him yet.

  • Jack Keeper

    Tell our illegal alien in the White House that we don’t recognize anything he says or writes. You, you bastard don’t have the standing to do anything in this country. So, leave and don’t come back. I am from the showme state, so, showme the truth, or get your ass out of my land of the free and the brave. You are neither! You are a wantabee Kenyan. I went there as a tourist, and while there found out all about you, and your 16 year old whore mother, who was raped by so many, that you don’t even know who your father is. Too bad! It must work on you to know you are a bastard in more ways than you even have the intellect to know. What grade did you earn? The first?

  • Bob

    I used to believe that guns in America were wrong and should be kept out of the hands of ordinary citizens. After the last few years I have completely changed my mind. I believe that you people will need them very very soon. I hope that Im wrong but with the way the US govt is acting, there’s no telling whats going to happen next. The US has become a police state and that is soooo sad!

  • bartt f

    obamam is the devil arming terrorists will trying to stop all americans from owning guns , think maybe he is up to something thanks obama supporters for the most crooked constitution breaking goverment in historym this dude is power hungry, power hungry ,power hungry.

  • Paul Revere

    With the police charging people with felonies these days like they are giving out parking tickets, it’s easy to see where they are going with this…This criminal administrations attack against the Constitution and American citizens rights will have dire consequences in the days to come…

  • Wraith

    In many ways America seems to be making the same mistakes as Germany did prior to the outbreak of World War II. Since taking office in 2008, on the promise of hope and change, president Barak Obama has launched an aggressive assault on America’s liberty.

    He has armed America’s enemies, violating his oath of office, by sending money and weapons of war to insurgents in Syria led by Al-Qaeda terrorists.

    He has violated federal law by overseeing a cover-up surrounding attorney general Eric Holder’s operation “Fast and Furious”, in the running of guns to Mexican drug cartels.

    He has lied to the American people by overseeing a cover-up of the September 11 Benghazi terror attack in Libya which led directly to the deaths of four American citizens.

    He has bypassed Congress using executive order prior to the attack on Libya, insisting that congressional approval was not necessary. Now he wants to do the same with Syria.

    He has signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act which includes provisions to permit the abduction and military detention without trial of all US citizens, violating “Habeas corpus” – the right to a fair trial.

    And on January 16th 2013, surrounded by children, he has signed twenty three different executive orders for broader gun control in the United States.

    Mr. obama is the biggest mistake this country has produced.

  • Wraith

    Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in you’re country and highest murder rate. Gun Control does not prevent murders, they make “you” vulnerable while keeping criminals in possession of guns. U have the right to defend yourself and i hope u do not give in to the politics.

    “Chicago finished out 2012 with a bang, as it passed a major milestone
    hitting over 500 murders. Chicago has started off 2013 on the wrong
    foot, with this past week’s murder rate outpacing 2012’s.” (nbcchicago .com)

  • evan

    lol you guys are so full of shit. Why weren’t you complaining when Regan/Bush armed and trained bin laden and crew to fight against the Russians in Afghanistan… Pots meet kettle… Lets not even get into 9/11..

    • insul8ter

      You are full of shit. You are defending your boy, that is all. Say anything you can to create more divide between the whites and blacks. Obama is a tyrant, a Communist and a Muslim. You and the rest of your clan need to get on the right path along with the rest of the people that are trying to save this country from Obamas changing the fundamentals upon which this country was founded. We won’t stand down, and if you want to fight us, you will lose. You can bet on that.

    • Rani J Pabon

      Were generally libertarians *ickhead! We don’t support your or their moronic leaders.

    • Steven

      Trolololol.

    • g.johnon

      some of us were, for all the good it did.

  • Tiredofthelies

    Everything obama does is wrong I hope he suffers for his ignorance.

  • Tiredofthelies

    If I wasn’t a christian I would set him on fire, put him out and set him on fire again.

    • g.johnon

      Christians have a long history of doing stuff like that. dunno why being a christian would stop you

      • Tom Schneider

        No, Christians don’t have a long history of doing ‘stuff like that’. Quit lying. Or back up your slander against all Christians.

        • g.johnon

          oh tom, brush up on your history. you could start with the puritan’s joy in burning “witches” and “heretics” or go right to the burning of infidels and Templars at the stake during the inquisition or go all the way back to the Christian hell where all nonbelievers burn forever. no slander, just truth.

  • Dan Richards

    This is what they can come up with? How dumb can one person be?

    #1 when was the last time a firearm was registered to a trust or company and used in a crime? (Fixes Nothing)
    #2 will stop firearms availability for collectors or make it even more expensive. (Fixes Nothing)
    These may be minor points but points all the same…

  • rae_ekaf

    Perhaps it has to do with jurisdictional issues more than anything else. The Federal Government is plainly limited in its jurisdiction. It does not extend into the states no matter what they tried to teach you in the media and the public schools.

  • Carl Fyrdman

    What he is blocking, is the CMP (created by an act of Congress back in 1903 (to teach marksmanship to civilians) from importing old US made, semi-automatic M1 Garand rifles of the sort that were used by the regular GI’s in WWII.
    South Korea has a stockpile they got from the US, that are now obsolete and so they wish to sell them back because gun enthusiasts enjoy the historic firearm. Obama will not allow that.

  • Joseph Odonnell

    great the guns will be sold on the back market in stead of coming back here and if possible being melted down. So we are basically saying sell them to anyone you want as long as its not here in the U.S. if they fall in to the wrong hands and kill our troops that we send some where that has these so be it its no skin off my butt. If they all so kill families who cares they don’t live here Good Obama pass the buck use some common sense.

  • nick

    the first EO changes something from allowed to not allowed. That is legislation and is not ok. The second situation, as i understand it, currently exists as allowed with permission. The second EO could simply say “permission will not be given”. Sucks but he can do that.

  • David h

    Obama is a socialist tha is trying to disarm armicans so that the people have no way to defend themselves against our own government. Law abiding citizen have the right to bear arms, and not just the arms they want you to have. He is not a king, can’t just make rules up as he wants.

    • evan

      Like Regan did in the 80′s? The Brady bill and every other bill passed before 2008? You’ve been giving away your freedoms for a long time now and your just now realizing it?

      • Getaclue

        Yes, like you stated. Bills were passed. Regan didn’t just go upsurping the bill of rights like your buddy Odumbo.

        • evan

          Whats the difference really? Do you think when bills were passed previously they took into account the feeling of those who put them in office? No they all rallied together to bypass what the american ppl wanted. And really what does this EO stop?? the resale of guns by country who are trying to make money off our old crap? People yell about these guns being used to kill out soldiers.. Really? I didnt know we made ak-47′s at any point in time. Which by the way is the gun used by 80% of the Arab nations…

          • Steven

            There really isn’t a difference, since both infringe on the right that “shall not be infringed”; but one at least tips it’s hat at the legislative process along the way. The other tries to circumvent it.

          • Orbitus

            Wow. You are still harping on the fact that it shall not be infringed when it has been deemed constitutional by the SUPREME COURT? Do you know what their job is? That’s right, finding if laws made and passed are constitutional or not. If you think ANY of these laws are unconstitutional, hire a lawyer, petition the supreme court and get laughed at because it doesn’t even make it passed the petition phase.

          • Steven

            Remember that conversation we had, earlier, where I pointed out that you’re incapable of having a discussion without trying to insult the person you’re talking to; and then you sucked it up and dealt with it?

            Well, sir, you can frack right off (again). You have made it abundantly clear that you are completely incapable of having an adult conversation, and instead insist on screaming like an autistic child in every conversation you enter.

            This is the last response in this thread you will get from me; I refuse to continue to grace your savagery with the hope that you may, at some point, form an argument that’s capable of standing on its own merit without simultaneously attacking everyone around you.

            Now if you’ll excuse me, I have adult things to do. Good day, and enjoy being a petty frack-stick over the internet.

          • Orbitus

            So I get it, you don’t have anything to refute what I have said so you give up. Also I didn’t insult you, just your lack of intelligence. You just scream shall not be infringed while the branch of the government called the Judicial branch disagrees with you. Again if you think it is unconstitutional, go for it, get a lawyer and try to fight it. Guarantee you won’t be heard and they will just ignore you.

          • Steven

            http://benswann.com/breaking-obama-signs-two-new-executive-orders-on-gun-control/#comment-1030373509

            I have already addressed this exact topic with you, several days ago.

          • Steven

            I have already had this conversation with you. Then you failed to respond. You keep on pretending that you’re the smartest person in the room, throwing around insults, and pretending like that makes your argument the best on this page.

            http://benswann.com/breaking-obama-signs-two-new-executive-orders-on-gun-control/#comment-1030373509

            Like I said, “you’re incapable of having an adult conversation.” The fact that you can’t see this is mind-boggling; especially with statements like “I didn’t insult you, just your lack of intelligence” (which is, in and of itself, an insult).

            Either you are deliberately trying to take out your teenage angst on the internet, because you can’t get away with it in real life, OR you’re a complete stranger to how to not look like a complete jackwagon when you open your mouth.

          • g.johnon

            hey orb, think you can unstick your lips from that donkey’s ass long enough to provide a little chapter and verse on when and where the supremes disagreed with “shall not be infringed”?
            thanks.

          • Orbitus

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/obama-syrian-rebels_n_3438625.html
            Read the laws that have been made since the Constitution was made. Since 1927 there have been several laws written and passed that either ban certain guns or many laws made to help prevent people from getting guns that are career criminals or the Brady Bill that requires a waiting period for to obtain a handgun. Hows it feel to be stupid?

          • g.johnon

            every one of the “laws” you allude to is unconstitutional. each one an act of treason and violation of the constitutional oaths of all who wrote, sponsored, voted for and signed them.
            but never mind that child, you still have not produced a single thing to supports your claim that that the supreme court disagrees with “shall not be infringed”.
            care to try again? or is it just too hard?

          • Orbitus

            So them ruling them constitutional means they were wrong? You, an armchair lawyer with an 8th grade education, knows better than college educated, career lawyers and judges? You still forget the entire ‘well-regulated’ part of the entire amendment. Every other amendment can have additions or subtractions to it but the 2nd one can’t? That doesn’t make sense. BUT if you want to try to get rid of them all, go for it. Hire a lawyer, petition the supreme court, and try to get them overturned. I dare you, simply because you WILL NOT win.

          • g.johnon

            yep, that is the supreme’s job. too bad they have been really sucking at it lately.

          • Orbitus

            So you mean a more conservative Supreme court wouldn’t rule in the conservatives favor thanks to the NRA funding they would probably get?

          • g.johnon

            no dumbass, that’s not what I mean.

          • Orbitus

            Obviously it is. Because all the supreme court has done of late is destroy average hard working citizens in favor of corporations with Citizens United and taking away the important parts of the Voting Rights act of 1964. With douchebag judges like Scalia you should be able to try to get rid of these laws right? Again try it, get a lawyer and petition the supreme court. I bet anything you will lose AGAIN.

  • Bill

    What I don’t understand is why congress would stand still for these executive orders when it is given to congress alone to make laws.

  • Mike

    He should be impeached. Why are we allowing this sly,sinister, arrgorant bastard to ruin our country?

    • Joseph Odonnell

      this country was being ruined way before Obama I mean look at anyone who ever tried to do something good for the people in this country have been assassinated, this is the reason that we had not had a president with balls in decades now. No one is willing to die for the people of this country we have become to superficial and only care about ourselves. But I think the trend is starting to change with all the new media resources out there we are starting to wake up from this long slumber and starting to take notice. It may take awhile because we have been asleep for so long but change is coming.

    • Orbitus

      Sorry but Bush is out of office. How can you impeach a president that isn’t in office anymore? Not to mention Obama hasn’t done anything to deserve impeachment. I have asked everyone that says he deserves it what he did and they keep spewing the Fox News rhetoric that Obama has nothing to do with. Next thing you are going to say the scandals, IRS scandal (Obama wasn’t linked to it, not to mention the person that did it was a Bush appointee), PRISM/NSA crap (all made by Bush but no one cared until it was releaked since it was made before 2006), then you are going to say Benghazi and why didn’t they have enough security or back up in the area (Republicans voted to reduce the security for Embassies/consulates so thats your party not Obama, and the closest backup besides the 3 or 4 CIA agents in the area against the 2 or 300 people attacking the consulate, the closest backup was in Tripoli which took 4 hours to get there. By that time everyone was dead and the consulate was on fire. How was he supposed to save them when they died before the backup arrived?). Now tell me what has he done to attempt to receive an impeachment. Riddle me this.

      • SandyLu

        Are you serious? I feel so sorry for you, you have already been brainwashed and it seems that there is little or no hope for you! However, I will keep you in my prayers that the scales will fall from your eyes so that you can see the truth! Amen.

        • Orbitus

          How have I been brainwashed? I have proof for all I have said, you have nothing. Sorry that reality has a liberal bias. And don’t pray for me that will do nothing because there is no bullshit god.

          • Eric Stoesser

            …. well said… actually….

        • Eric Stoesser

          never bring god into an arguement about government. That’s a recipe for genocidal madness.

        • Eric Stoesser

          Muslims brin allah into government, and look what happens. We keep them sperate for a very very strong good reason. Your book was written by a megalomaniac, and that book gave him “divine right”. There are VERY few christians that aren’t brainwashed, and they’re hunted down relentlessly. It’s better to be an atheist than a real christan… but most people have 0 idea what that even means, cause like i said… you’ve been SO brainwashed, that the possibility of you being religiously brainwashed is like blasphemy.

    • Eric Stoesser

      lmao nice mike. get at the paid troll . im calling him out. hes got to be a paid troll to put that much effort into sounding right.

  • Mac_em

    Well Michael, welcome to the U.S. As a
    political commentator and adviser you may like to know that presidential executive
    orders only pertain to those in the executive branch, not to the Legislative
    Branch, not to the Judicial Branch of government and certainly not to the rest
    of the people. This is similar to Burger King CEO giving an executive order. It
    only applies to Burger King. The people have the right to do anything with any
    arm (usually a firearm) they please as long as they do not injure or cause a
    loss to another. The supreme law of the land, the Constitution, protects that
    right. Read 2nd amendment.

    “The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed”
    is protected. Public servants take an
    oath to protect and defend that Constitution. Any interference contrary to the
    plain meaning by a public servant is fraud on his/her part and a felony.

  • gem39

    Yes, he is circumventing the rights of congress and acting as a despot. Because he does control the ATF, with his EOs he is creating laws they will enforce. It doesn’t matter if we have a 2nd Amendment. The EOs by pass that because the enforcement arm is out of Congress’ control.

    • Orbitus

      The 2nd amendment isn’t impervious to regulation. Just like any other amendment. Just take a look at this: http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm . There has been laws made and passed since the creation of the 2nd amendment and almost all of them are still on the books. Most notably the NFA of 1934 and the Gun Control act of 1968. Then you also have the Brady Bill that stops you from getting guns on the day of purchase for a handgun. Some of you people nowadays need to actually read some laws before foaming at the mouth thinking that it impedes on your freedom.

      • B-Ride

        Just because it has been done, doesn’t mean it’s right. The 2nd amendment is clear when it says, “to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” No “and”, “or”,”but” about it.
        Although, I’m sure my statement won’t have much of an affect on a troll.

        • Orbitus

          So I am trolling because the SUPREME COURT has deemed almost all of those bills and laws CONSTITUTIONAL? If you think you can get them overturned then by all means, hire a lawyer, and petition the supreme court. Bet they won’t even hear your case.

          • Steven

            While I respect and honor their decision, the 2nd Amendment is crystal clear in it’s wording.

            At the time of it’s drafting, the militia was every male who could take up arms against an enemy… basically every able bodied male, today (based on the definition of ‘militia’ in Title 10 USC). Arms also meant any weapon or armor that a normal person could carry into battle– so while an RPG or a Kevlar Vest would qualify, a tank, fighter or battleship would not. “The People” references the body of the governed or the citizenry throughout the document. And “well regulated” means/meant (in regards to troops) “disciplined” or “proficient.”

            So, realistically, the 2nd Amendment’s updated verbiage would read:

            “[An armed and proficient] [body of the people], being necessary to the security of a free [Country], the right of the [citizens] to keep and bear [man-portable weapons and armor] shall not be infringed.”

            The only argument to justify placing limitations on gun ownership is if it violates the justification for the constitution, in the first place; laid out in the preamble:

            “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

            So, if your ownership or use of a weapon jeopardizes domestic tranquility, is counter-productive to the common defense, or is detrimental to the general welfare, then it can reasonably be excluded from the cover of the 2nd Amendment. An example would be a “suitcase-nuke”, which is a purely offensive weapon and the use of which violates all of the above… and can, therefore, be exempted from the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

            This is in contrast to a fully automatic weapon, which constitutes (and has always constituted) a very small portion of the total gun crimes. They were popular with organized crime, and still are (since they’re criminals, and don’t follow those laws); but that accounted for a very small proportion of gun violence. The rarity of the events contributed to the media reporting, since rare atrocities are more interesting than common ones.

            However, more to the point, automatic weapons are dangerous because people don’t know how to use them. 60 rounds per minute does not equate to 60 KILLS per minute; since it ignores the human factor in the killing-cycle (find target, judge validity of target, aim at target, focus on target, shoot target, determine if you need a follow-up shot, take shot if necessary, and move on to next target). Even an experienced special operator is looking at between 6 and 10 kills per minute.

            Should restrictions exist? Yes. Training restrictions, to ensure you meet the “well regulated” clause. But that’s not what we have… we have a set of arbitrary rules and fees on a set of arbitrary pieces of equipment that prevents us from appropriately exercising rights as set out in the Constitution.

            However, like you said, the SCOTUS ruled on it… and so that’s the law of the land.

          • Robert Lastly

            @disqus_DVDHSzifnO:disqus excellent post!

          • Eric Stoesser

            even better…. the 10th amendment… makes EVERYTHING he is doing illegal as SHIT.

          • Orbitus

            Really? And I quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

            The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.[1] The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution’s principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or the people.

            Everything he is doing is a FEDERAL POWER. NOT A STATE POWER. Guess you redneck constitution armchair scholars don’t even know whats in the constitution.

          • Eric Stoesser

            quoting wikipedia??? … when you use and cite the proper source I’ll hear your argument. Until then you’re argument is as null and void as me not ratting on sources.

          • Orbitus

            So you can’t refute their sources because EVERYTHING on there is backed up with sources. It doesn’t stay on there if it isn’t. Where is your argument?

          • Eric Stoesser

            (archives.gov) since you trust the governemnt so much, is the proper source.

          • Orbitus

            Again everything I said in there was sourced. So since you can’t refute my claim, you have no argument. Thanks for proving my point.

      • Eric Stoesser

        shall not be infringed. done. you’re not very bright mr troll.

        • Orbitus

          “Well-Regulated”<<<< Did you forget that part of the entire amendment? Everything you have said so far is nothing but second hand spewed BS.

  • Ted Ellis

    Yes. Bring all of those weapons back into the US so that inner city gang members can kill each other off,.bringing SOME peace back to American streets.

    • Eric Stoesser

      …. why can’t old guns be melted and recycled? …. we’re a steel country and a major steel exporter….. i mean….. ???? doesn’t it make sense? I guess I do’t know shti about metal.

  • Ted Ellis

    @ Orbitus. Right wing fanatical Christian conspiracy theorists are telling me that Obama (The occupier of the Oval Office) is filling the White House with the Muslim Brotherhood and should be impeached,

    • Orbitus

      Do you know how the reply function works? Hit that little word that says reply otherwise people think you are talking to yourself. I wouldn’t be surprised this is how you got your information. You know from people like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.

      • Robert Lastly

        Orbitus Glenn Beck or Alex Jones has more intellect in their little pinky then you have in your entire body. why don’t you ever post facts to back up your stupidity like I don’t know OVOMIT SELLS GUNS TO AL Qeada!!

        http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/terrorism/al-qaeda-executes-syrian-cop/1907768398001/

        note the date posted and the weapons used? ah! evidence for impeachment!!!!

        • Orbitus

          The fact you think Glenn Beck or Alex Jones are intelligent just nullified everything you have said or will say EVER.
          Stupid things Alex Jones has said:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwURLwd8pEA
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgCopVQ5Ek
          Alex Jones claims there was a false flag attack at Boston Marathon.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtxxz4SbLiU

          And just because you have a video of an Al-Qaeda person executing a Syrian police officer BEFORE anyone recieved weapons from the US doesn’t mean shit. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/obama-syrian-rebels_n_3438625.html He stated sending weapons to them in JULY OF THIS YEAR. Not October of 2012. AGAIN NOT IMPEACHABLE EVIDENCE. Again you LOSE.

          • Eric Stoesser

            yeah… one small problem… if al queda are trained by our special forces, then we are in fact responsible for their warfare. I know psy ops, and their tactics are too advanced to be origin. and better. confessions from men that trained them. you are silly… so fruit punch or cherry?

          • Orbitus

            Wait wait wait, if we were training Al’Qaeda, you should have some sort of proof right? Bring it on.

          • Eric Stoesser

            ….. confessions from a man that trained them.

          • Eric Stoesser

            I fear for their safety, you are going to ask me to rat on them, i am going to say no, you are going to call holes. Therefore I have come to the conclusion, that you are paid to troll, or area true purple blooded troll.

          • Orbitus

            Are……Are you serious? So I ask for proof and now I am trolling and that I am being paid for it? I wish. If someone makes claims they have to back them up, otherwise you get typical rhetoric from Republicans like Darrell Issa and Ted Cruz.

          • Robert Lastly

            there is no cure for stupid people and you are stupid no need to reply or say anything else

          • Orbitus

            Says the guy that actually thinks that Glenn Beck and Alex Jones have any intellect other than being smart enough to con people like you. Doesn’t take much though because you really are that stupid. You got your own article torn apart and now you are crying.

          • Robert Lastly

            This why I call you stupid. You who drink the cool aid know nothing about me. I, however, have responded to you several times with facts just to have you shut up. there is no arguing with a cool aid drinking idiot like yourself. Do I “like” Glenn Beck? Hell no he is in it for the money just like the rest and that bothers you because? But they are way smarter than you because they are self made millionaires. You are just and idiot that, according to your previous post support overwhelmingly this Worthless President and all of his destructive policies. You never post facts just fact-less and worthless YouTube smear campaigns. If you had an ounce of intellect than it would be worth talking to you but I found after reading many of your posts that you are truly stupid and their is NO cure for your kind of stupidity.

          • Orbitus

            Sorry but Glenn Beck and Alex Jones aren’t smarter than me, but they certainly are smarter than you. The sheep that listen to those idiots are people just like you that think everything they say is the truth. You need to take your damn tinfoil hat off, your brain is smothering and dying. Everything that I have posted at least has some basis in reality and truth behind it while you post rumors and hearsay. Have fun being mentally retarded.

    • SandyLu

      Ted Ellis I have 2 questions for you. Are you blind, or stupid? Or both? Try going to YouTube and look for the comments by the people from Syria, Egypt, actually any of those countries – they don’t even live here but they can see how corrupt this presidency is, and they don’t want the USA to intervene in their country! Inform yourself, research, research, research! Oh and by the way, if you’re not a Christian – you need to become one, and very soon!

  • Ted Ellis

    That is so naive to think that passing a few crappy laws is going to reduce gun crime in Philadelphia.

    • SandyLu

      Gun control in PA, or any other state in the USA will open the door to our slaughter! That is the plan don’t you know?

    • Eric Stoesser

      it’s meant to increse it silly. increse murders = population control. (get in their heads and you’ll understnad their mania)

  • JOE

    Obama’s goal is not to reduce crime. This is just the beginning of confiscation by the liberals. It is about control over the masses and a classless society. He is a psychotic narcissist and pathological lier. So, yesterday he made a “heartfelt” speech on why we need to bomb Syria; then went to play GOLF! Once we help the Al QUAEDA rebels defeat Assad, they will kill many thousands of Christians, Muslims & Jews who live in Syria. They will behead them in the name of sharia law and the U.S. will be the ones who helped start the massacres! They all hate America, or didn’t you know that?

  • SandyLu

    Of course he’s overstepping his bounds! Besides, lie upon lie since he entered office (illegally), he has done nothing but over step his bounds, ignore our Constitution, and has done his very best to undermine America on every level! I guess that most of America doesn’t care that we are all about to be over run by sharia law, and murdered openly in our streets and herded into prepared concentration camps! People need to wake up, it’s almost to the point that God will soon intervene, and send Jesus Christ to gather His own! I hope you are ready, because Armageddon is coming!

    • Orbitus

      Wow Armageddon is coming? Wow I don’t know what to say. The very fact you read the biggest book of fiction ever just goes to show how gullible you really are. How did he enter the office illegally? I bet you $10 million that he and every other president was checked and double checked to be a citizen. Not to mention with all the Ted Cruz bullshit about him being a dual citizen with Canada and the US because he was born in Canada to a US mother, means the same thing to Obama even if he was born in Kenya or Indonesia. Simply because his mother is a god damn US citizen. If its good enough for Ted Cruz then its good enough for Obama. Ignorant birthers.

      • Robert Lastly

        @orbitus go back to drinking the kool aid obviously you have no clue. If you could just get your head out of your enormous keester you could decipher the truth… wait no you are stupid and that is not curable! Why don’t you go get a thrill up your leg or drool on the T.V. when Ovomit shows up which is every few seconds as he is out campaigning again instead of leading!

        • Orbitus

          So I am the one drinking the Kool Aid when I have the proof and you don’t hmmm. Sounds like the typical birther. Want to get back to me when you have evidence to the contrary backed by a paper trail from a reputable source, not some ass backwards dumbass sherriff from some podunk county who was given money from the Koch Brothers.

          • Eric Stoesser

            prove the elections weren’t all falsified.
            prove he’s a citizen (you can’t its impossible with 9 layers of bullshit on a pdf file)
            prove he isn’t a war criminal
            prove he hasn’t continued a war machine that has killed my whole family here and afar
            prove it.
            -_- your boats full of holes
            your games not logic
            game over.

          • Orbitus

            Umm the ones making stupid claims: IE YOU, has to provide proof that the elections were falsified. This is what educated people call BURDEN OF PROOF. If anyone is a war criminal its Bush who started a 2nd unneeded war based on lies. I can already prove hes a citizen because I can guarantee that the FBI and CIA looked into his background even before he started his presidential campaign. If you are going to try to argue at least come up with some sort of backing information because you are just another propaganda buyer idiot.

          • lj

            Guarantee? You sir cannot guarantee anything. Big words with no substance just like a Democrat Liberal

          • Eric Stoesser

            feed the troll poison. hahahaha

          • lj

            LOL I have to learn to stop feeding them but sometimes it’s fun

          • Orbitus

            Actually I can. Because EVERY president back to when those agencies were made, were looked into. You can’t provide proof that he wasn’t a citizen so you are worse off than I am. Not to mention his MOTHER was/is a US Citizen. If you are going to claim good ol boy Rafael Teddy Cruz is an American Citizen being born in Canada to a Cuban father/American mother. Then the same should be afforded to Obama. Get at me when you have proof.

          • lj

            proof is that he sealed all his records He has lots to hide

          • Orbitus

            Do you need to know what grades he got in Calculus? Or how he answered an essay paper? So you don’t have any proof that he isn’t what or who he said he is?

          • Mike

            …. You really trust the CA, NBA, FYI, Feel that much? You really don’t know your American History. Let me guess, public school? Lots of Media (don’t care if it’s Fox or MSN, etc) and vote same party because of the “belief” rather than the Constitution…. I bet I could find d at least 20 words you couldn’t definite in the Constitution, or I bet you haven’t actually studied it, why it was written, and the history Behind it. Read it maybe, but studied it no.

            This is why debating, rather in person or via forums don’t work. Ideologies are backed up by facts. But if the facts are wrong then the emotion attached them is all that’s needed.

            It’s Secret Intel 101, to win, you need two opposing sides to fight each other over a fabrication Ted problem, rather than look for the person who’s fabricating the fabrication.

          • Mike

            Sorry for the typos, cell phone autocoreect.

            CIA NSA FBI MEDIA DOD ETC?

          • Orbitus

            When you learn English and grammar come back and talk to me. Otherwise I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say with the CA, the NBA and FYI are supposed to be. Obviously the CIA, NSA and FBI.

            If you honestly believe that Obama was born in another country. Provide proof.

          • lj

            Don’t feed the troll

          • lj

            Proof nonsense. You are a paid troll nobody could be that dense.

          • Orbitus

            And here is the proof that someone doesn’t have an argument so they start calling people trolls. Get at me when you have an argument.

          • lj

            Get back to me when you have proof instead of fantasy’s

          • Orbitus

            I don’t need the proof. The one making claims on delusional fantasies needs to provide the proof. This is a concept called BURDEN OF PROOF. If you make a claim, you have to back it up. Give me proof on anything you have written and maybe you might get one. Otherwise you are wrong AGAIN.

    • lj

      Settle down The wheels of Justice turn slow but they do turn. Obama will get his soon enough. The House of Cards is starting to fall down all around him. Democrats are signing their own pink slips with this no-compromise attitude. No matter how they spin it the ball sits in their court. As for Armageddon Timewise that’s after the Millennium so your going to be waiting a long time for it to come. For now our job is:

      Zechariah 7:9 Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:
      10 And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

  • Johnny

    yes.

  • Disgusted to be a Democrat

    Where is our House of Representatives at they need to start the process of impeachment. Down with the communist pig.

  • AlCashier

    IMPEACH, convict and imprison obama.

    obama has been running arms to AL QAEDA and mexican drug cartels as he has been trying to disarm legal law-abiding AMERICANS.

    obama’s gun-running to his private criminal allies has already killed BRIAN TERRY a US Border Patrol Agent, and SEAN SMITH, TY WOODS, GLEN DOHERTY and Amb. CHRIS STEVENS== 9/11/2012 BENGHAZI LIBYA.

    • fedup

      I agree with all except the imprison part. If convicted (he won’t be, hell they wouldn’t even have the balls to charge and impeach him), he should face the same fate the other traitors face.

    • Orbitus

      May I ask what hes doing to deserve impeachment? Where is he disarming legal law-abiding Americans? Not to mention Bush started Fast and Furious but suddenly its Obama’s fault because a border agent gets killed because of it? Not to mention none of the people in Benghazi can or will be tied to Obama because they were islamic radicals that killed them.

      • Steven

        Actually, that’s not entirely true. President Bush started Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 and it ran until 2007. Operation Fast and Furious, while similar, started under President Obama in 2009 and is a completely separate operation.

        Bush started the idea of Gun Walking; but Op Fast and Furious belonged entirely to Obama from start to finish.

      • lj

        Treason, Benghazi, Running guns, Arming Al Qaeda, IRS, NSA, AP news, Pick one anyone

        • Orbitus

          Lets see what treason specifically?

          As for Benghazi, where to begin? The part where the nearest help were what 4 CIA agents? Against 200 militants? Then the next real back up was what 2-4 hours away in Tripoli? These people died in 20 minutes. Not to mention it was the REPUBLICANS that voted to reduce their security budgets. Bet you didn’t know that. Not to mention they had a few congressional hearings about it and no one was found at fault except maybe republicans for denying the increase to security funds.

          Arming Al-Qaeda huh? Where?

          The IRS thing was complete BS and you know that, well maybe not because you listened to that idiot Issa. The person that made the program was a Bush appointee. The reason they did it is because the American Al-Qaeda party, IE the Tea Party thought they should be able to flood the IRS office with like 10 times more tax free forms. Not to mention they weren’t just targetting conservative or tea party people. They also got liberal and progressive groups. Not to mention none of the Tea Party or conservative groups were actually denied exemption but a liberal group was.

          Now here comes the tricky part with the NSA bs. Do I like it? Not one bit. Who started it? O thats right BUSH. Not to mention if you are going to be mad at anyone is that you should be mad at the companies that are willingly giving up any information. IE Microsoft, Facebook, etc etc. It is renewed every 90 days. Your republicans even proposed a bill to deny it funding and guess what? They all VOTED AGAINST IT. Who do you blame for that? O thats right REPUBLICANS AGAIN.

          Now the AP news bs. You do realize this led to an arrest to someone threatening to bomb someone right?

          Running guns aka Fast and Furious, again where to begin. Lets see I will start at the beginning. Bush did this and guess what his guns are still out there in Mexicans hands. The only reason you heard about that one was because a border agent was killed with one of the guns that was from Fast and Furious. So its ok for Bush to do it, but not Obama? Guess what is good for the goose really isn’t good for the gander.

          Now that I have refuted everything you have said, really what is an impeachable offense?

          • lj

            you are sadly misinformed you need to watch something other than CNN and MSNBC. Benghazi was about gun running the CIA had over 20 people there on the ground. The orders to stand down came from the top. Obama has been arming Al Qaeda for years. Not to mention his buddies in the Muslim Brotherhood. Odinga anybody?

          • Orbitus

            Really? If you had proof of anything there you would have a good source for the info right? Then again I haven’t gotten a single one yet. As for the Muslim Brotherhood comment, we were giving aid to Egypt a long ally which was run by the Muslim Brotherhood. So that was your only VALID claim. Magic you might have actually gotten one right. But not anymore.

          • lj

            LOL who made you the arbitrator of fact? Delusional much?

          • Orbitus

            The fact that I can actually look things up and find sources for my stuff. You on the other hand have had NOTHING but talking points from Fox News.

          • DifcanDifca

            Orbitus looks like all the other dull-cow-eyed Morans who sit behind the traitor and chief during his campaign speeches that continue to this day. likely a democrat strategist. Only those who have as much vitriol for our country as our current pres, speak in such a way. The only way to defend this administration is to lie.

            Regardless of Bush bending to democrat whims, the amount and frequency of this administration’s corruption can only be defended by our enemies.

          • lj

            Oh my here we go it’s still Bush’s fault.

          • Orbitus

            With the NSA bullshit? Yes. He was the one that allowed the patriot act to be enacted. Guess you can’t refute anything else I have said right? You have nothing?

          • DragonsTalon

            You’re also discounting the fact that the “Patriot Act” had to be Reauthorized in 2009, which was done by a Democrat Majority held Congress and signed by Obama…oh, and the Checks and Balances that were in the 2001 version of the Patriot Act were removed in the 2009 Reauthorization Act. For God’s sake, turn off MSNBC, it’s rotting your brain to where you can’t even think for yourself!!

          • DragonsTalon

            Typical clueless Liberal!! Fighter Jets from Aviano Italy could have been there in an hour…While Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith were killed in about 20 minutes or so, the other 2 didn’t die for another 6 hours. They also were using Predator Drones overhead of the Consulate and Annex to watch the fighting….why not send up the 2nd one, that replaced the original Drone due to low fuel, with Hellfire Missiles? Opps guess that blows part of your “premise” out of the water. Let’s also talk about the murder of 3 American Citizens that were killed by Drone Strikes without their Constitutional Right to a Trial (even in Absentia), or the fact that Murder by Drone could be considered “Cruel and Unusual Punishment”.

            As for the Republicans supposedly cutting funding for Security…answer me this…how is it that the State Department had enough money to purchase a “Charging Station” and buy all brand new Chevy Volts for the Vienna Embassy? The Embassy in Libya even had express permission from AfriCom to keep their QRF (Quick Reactionary Force) for as long as Ambassador Stevens needed/wanted it…yet President Obama countermanded that less than 1 month before the Benghazi Attack? Now why would Obama do a thing like that???

            Yes, Obama was arming Al’Queda through the Benghazi Annex, shipping arms from Libya to Turkey (port city of İskenderun, which is only a 40 minute drive to Al’Queda controlled Aleppo Syria. Do your research instead of allowing the Propaganda Ministry (Main Stream Media including FOX and MSNBC) to do your thinking for you!!

  • Michael Ehline

    Obama = disgrace

  • Diane

    Great job what else can he do on his own to stop these senseless murders of innocent children and adults. No one needs these ar15 or any high powered weapons. You don’t need them to hunt or fish , they are meant to devour your prey.

    • F’off

      The point and intent of the 2nd Amendment is to kill Tyrants who do things like ignore the Constitution.

    • Jason Wright

      AR-15′s are not what you think they are. They are not fully automatic as those weapons have been illegal for decades. AR-15′s are used for hunting, and are a very common sporting rifle. Despite being very common, they are used in an insignificant number of crimes. In fact, though many have the belief that violent gun crime has been going up, it has actually dropped aprox 49% over the last 20 years, and continues to decline. This is happening at the same time that legal gun ownership has been going up dramatically. Areas where gun control has disarmed law abiding citizens, thus making them easy targets, have much higher rates of gun violence.This has been published by the recent study called for by Obama, and is backed up by figures from UNODC, DoJ, FBI violent crime statistics, Harvard Law, and Pew Research. To let emotional propaganda determine our opinions on this matter, rather than facts, will lead to more death and violence, which is something we all want to avoid.

    • Matthew Mann

      Only the ignorant call AR15′s “high powered weapons”. The AR15/M4 platform is chambered for the .223 Remington/5.56 NATO cartridge which is an intermediate-powered rifle cartridge that typically fires a 50 to 70-grain bullet an average velocity of 3000 feet per second with a muzzle energy of around 1200 foot pounds. Compare that to a .30-06 cartridge that fires a 150-gr bullet at 2900 fps with 2800 ft lbs of energy, or a 7mm Remington Magnum cartridge that fires a 150-gr bullet at 3110 fps with 3220 ft lbs of energy, or a .300 Winchester Magnum that fires a 180-gr bullet at 2960 fps with 3500 ft lbs of energy. These are all common hunting cartridges in widespread use across America, and they are not even close to being the most powerful cartridges out there, much less the .223/5.56 cartridge. 22-caliber cartridges tend to shoot fast because of their small size, but they hit with relatively low power compared to most other rifle cartridges – because of their small size. And regardless of what cartridge is being fired – even a .22 Long Rifle – they all move faster than you can run and they all will be lethal with proper placement. So stop calling the AR15 a “high powered weapon” and do some research before making ignorant statements to the world.

      • James

        LOL should have read your comment first before I posted mine, much more detail than the one I gave but we’re on the same page.

    • ledbetta

      Your argument is the same one parroted by people who watch Pierce Morgan and Rachel Maddow, who have no knowledge of firearms but definitely have an anti 2nd amendment agenda. Every mass murder incident has been committed by people on psych drugs. Every one has happened in a “gun free zone”. Every one gets twisted by the MSM to get the sheep bleating for gun control.

      • Margee Morey

        The sheeple are also blind and deaf.

    • lj

      Seriously? He is not following the Law when he tries these endgames around the Constitution. Executive Orders does not trump laws. The DHS just purchased 7000 AR15′s because they are the best home defense weapon. Their words not mine. So if you think Obama is ok then you must believe the DHS knows what it’s talking about when they classify the AR15 as THE best home defense weapon. So if the DHS is ok with it being the best home defense weapon then you shouldn’t have a problem with it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-L-Sparks/683232718 Steven L Sparks

        That makes no sense. So the Stasi can have ar15′s but we cant?

        • lj

          Yup

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-L-Sparks/683232718 Steven L Sparks

      You are an idiot

    • James

      Actually the .223 or 5.56 that the AR15 fires is meant to penetrate a target not inflict massive damage. The reason AR15′s are illegal (in most states) to hunt with is because it is considered a varmint round, meaning it’s to small to kill large game such as deer humanely. “High Powered” is not a phrase I would use to describe an AR15 because it’s not an accurate description of the weapon. Do some research before you speak please.

    • Brandon Curtin

      Matthew Mann’s response has already dismantled Diane’s comment out of the water. Most violent gun crimes in America are committed with 9mm pistols, not the AR-15. Head to Chicago or Baltimore and you will see what I am talking about. Even better than the AR-15/M-16/M-4 variants, the .50 caliber sniper rifle easily does more damage per round. That thing can shoot through engine blocks and still hit its target (I have seen this first-hand via army buddies, not to mention a slew of videos). For something more common, a 12 gauge shotgun will easily kill someone with a shot to the leg compared to an AR-15 round, which you can still hobble away to safety.

    • samiam

      you don’t get it Diane….we will soon be the prey. Without protection, we will be sitting ducks. WAKE UP!

    • bobfairlane

      Ar15 is a broad platform that includes many calibers, and is great for hunting. It’s also a great defensive weapon in case a hunter comes across PETA vegeterrorists or Mexican drug-lords growing weed.

    • Margee Morey

      The Truth: Gun ownership by the average American is to protect himself, his home, and his sovereign Nation…and they also happen to be fun to shoot. As in the case of Cuba, prewar Germany, to name just two, gun registration lead to gun confiscation, led to an enslaved Nation. Oh, so that’s how it works. Don’t be a sheeple. Think for yourself. Criminals are not ever giving up guns. Your government will never give up its guns. So why should you? As for few nuts in a 3 billion people Nation…the nuts just are going to do their harm, with guns, bombs, knives, baseball bats, or what ever is handy to perpetuate the extension of their insanity.

    • jackdog

      LOL Diane did your parents have any children that survived? You stupid freak.

  • Shaggy

    Hey diane, You don’t need a 6000 calorie sandwich from McDonalds but you got it. You don’t need a 120,000 dollar car your going to use for a year but you got it. It’s called freedom it was gambled with back in the American revolution when people fought over a 2% tax and funny that the first gun laws where first introduced back at that time.

  • tamerican

    We have a constitutional right to bare arms. Arms are another word for guns… :) peace out…

  • Ralph

    These arms that they are trying to keep out of the country are not AR type rifles, they are old WWll M1 Garands & M1 Carbines that are single fire rifles. Most of these rifle will be brought by WWll collectors. Gang-bangers don’t use WWll rifle. This is another lie.

    • sidewinderaz

      Not to mention that the M1 Garand weighs in at 9 lbs. and the ammo is more expensive than for the .223 IF (and that’s a big IF) any miscreant decides to use one in a crime. Not to mention that it’s meant as a field battle rifle. I’ve read some stories that GIs didn’t like them when doing house to house searches. But the M1 Carbine was a little different though a bit underpowered compared to the Garand.
      Even the Garand’s replacement (M14) was a heavy weapon and the grunts in Viet Nam (I’ve talked to many) liked the fact that the M16 offered the soldier the opportunity to carry more ammo on a patrol than the .308 NATO round for the M14.
      Actually they are all good weapons when applied properly.

      • jackdog

        Shut up jackass you know nothing, go jump off a building or something. Good God what is wrong with you people.

      • nelson3300

        Aside from the total irrelevance of your comment, Its all about the cartridge they fired… Always has been, always will be.

  • sung

    I am for the gun control. If you don’t have it, you cannot use it.

    • Wraith Against RichOligarchy

      It’s all the same; people will get it on the black market. As long as people have money & are able to buy guns, people will have guns, regardless of what government does. So… What happened in the Fast & Furious operation? The thugs had the money to buy those guns & they bought them through a corrupt government…under obama’s watch.

    • Mike

      You’d rather they were pushed out a window, or like in the UK stabbed to death?

      This is America, where the 2nd amendment is designed towards freedom, and not tyranny or security. It’s why we were the most free… We were able to defend it.

      • jackdog

        Not anymore, we may as well give in to them because nobody will make a stand, if they were it would have already been done/started.

        • Shawnee Niki

          THJE MEN IN OUR COUNTRY HAVE TURNED OUT TO BE REAL WUSSES. THATS ONLY BECAUSE IF THEY PROTECT THEIR FAMILY, BOTH GO TO JAIL. SO IT LEAVES MEN NOT WANTING JAIL IF THEY PROTECT. ITS NUTS ANY MORE IN OUR COUNTRY. I FEEL SORRY FOR OUR CHILDREN , THEIR CHILDREN ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE.

    • just a man

      Exactly, that’s why everyone should have a gun in their control.

    • Margee Morey

      That’s great. You are my neighbor, I’ll put a sign outside for the criminals “This house is defended by guns; my neighbor sung >>> doesn’t have guns.”

      • Shawnee Niki

        YEAH, BUT MOST PEOPLE IN PRISONS ARE INNOCENT THAT THE COURTS ARE KANGEROO COURTS, THAT NEED PROTECTION FROM THESE CORRUPT BASTERDS AS WE DO.JUSYT CAUSE SOMEONES IN PRISON, DOESNT MEAN THEIR GUILTY OF SHIT.

      • Dennis Davis

        Sung is probably and illegal from Mexico.

  • bobfairlane

    Why is USgov sending “military grade weapons” to foreigners, but not letting Americans defend themselves?

    • Dennis Davis

      Because we have a idiot up in the White House.

  • JoeMamma

    Obama want to take down the USA. Wake up America ! You will never take my gun rights away along with my other liberty’s given to me by God and the Constitution of the United States of America. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Mr. President.

    • jackdog

      Joe, you and the rest of the American people will not do a damn thing, so stop acting like you will take up arms against the government.
      Each and every one of us that says he or she will fight to protect their rights is a damn liar, NOBODY has the balls to do anything, if we did we would have done it a long time ago, we the people have allowed this out of control administration to do as they please, we stand by and watch them every single day tear a little more away from the constitution.
      We have failed, as good citizens of a once great and powerful country, we have allowed them to shit on us. There is no going back and fixing it either, we all had the chance to stop it but we were too busy playing games.
      I can speak for myself that I am ashamed that we the people have allowed the Obama administration to sodomize the United States of America.

      • Shawnee Niki

        I AGREE WITH YOU. IN SHOCK AUTHORITIES DON’;T DO SHIT. WTF!

  • nancy williams

    If anyone seeing this has not seen Iron Mountain you need to go to you tube and watch it. It is 2 hours and 20 minutes long. But you will understand everything that is happening to America if you watch the whole thing. It also puts it exactly with what the bible says. The plan was executed in the 1960 and they plan to take America down, down, down you will see how they are doing it. Also, Henry Kissinger said at the Bildeberg meeting that they had decided Obama would be the New World Order Leader. This is why he is so errogant. Welcome to Babylon the Great and the Anti-Christ.

  • peck2

    Quite frankly, since I have already been identified as a “domestic terrorist”, being a combat vet, an American citizen, white, etal, do those morons in Washington, DC. really think that I give a damn about any executive order or edict that they spew out? I AM Mr. Non-Compliance.

  • F Plang

    The President has more power than his cabinet. Congress has more power than the
    President. Lobbyists have more power
    than Congress. The Federal Reserve has
    more power than the lobbyists. We need to take away the power from the top-down otherwise we will have no change. http://www.politicalplangetis.blogspot.com

  • Shawn Cook

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but how will the BATFE enforce a suggestion? Because that’s exactly what an Executive Order is – NOT LAW, but merely a suggestion.

  • Valerie West Shilliday

    No mental health laws its a trick they are trying to say we all have combat fatigue just by watching it on tv this is an older story but they are starting back up

    http://www.people-press.org/2003/03/28/tv-combat-fatigue-on-the-rise/

    • Janet

      What I think it boils down to.. is they want to disarm as many as possible that actually have skills to stand up against them when they go to martial law.

    • sidewinderaz

      They’re using the same tactic the communists used when they were taking over Russia and then later in the Soviet Union as it expanded into other countries.

  • Janet

    This is bullshit.. Obama has overstepped his bounds since the day he was born. He is a pathological liar, racist, and supports NWO and actually thinks his puppet self is in power.. he was hand picked by the elite for his arrogance and ability to manipulate people with his charisma. I would love to see the look on his face when they no longer need him and kick him to the curb.

  • Janet

    My apology.. my wording was not well thought out.. I did not mean this article was bullshit.. I was reffing to the abomination of the person who is illegally in office doing everything he can to undermine and destroy the constitution and our freedom.

  • BillinDetroit

    I guess that means that we will never see the 5,000,000 WW2 semi-automatic Garands again. That’s sad, because the S. Koreans don’t want them, either. So we keep paying to warehouse this fine, if slightly under-powered, deer rifle.

  • Difcan

    This man will go down in history as the greatest infiltrator of all time. He almost has us right where he wants us…. Civil war!

    I’m ready.

    • Margee Morey

      Please do not enflame. We The People must unite again a tyrannical government.

  • darkcloud

    The whole idea of executive orders which go beyond the simple process of directing executive branch employees to carry out the directive of the executive is pure baloney and must be deemed unconstitutional. No executive order should ever apply to the general populace. The 3 branches of govt. are by necessity equal under the separation of powers dictum of our constitution. Any imbalance of power between the branches should and must be energetically resisted by the other branches lest they become unneeded and/or powerless. Tyranny can only exist where it is allowed to flourish. One must always conquer tyranny if one wants to lead a free life.

    • Orbitus

      Considering he hasn’t done this I dunno what you are trying to say. If you are going to say this then you have to say this about every president that has used EOs. Since all of them have pretty much done this.

      • Dennis Davis

        Know they haven’t all done the same liberal.

  • DavidTN

    Traitor! Enough said!

  • Shawnee Niki

    WE IN AMERICAN DON’T WANT THE USELESS KILLINGS OF MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD! ITS SICKENING.

  • pissed off american

    he has NO authority to ban anything…especially rights that infringe upon the second amendment…he swore an oath to UPHOLD, PROTECT, and DEFEND the constitution…impeach this criminal incompetent traitor…

  • Disappointed in Americans

    Why is having a background check for someone trying to purchasing a gun appalling to so many people? If you have a clean background, it shouldn’t be a problem. Also, why do you need military weapons? Are those necessary for hunting? No, they ruin the art of the game, skill. Do you need them for any other reason? Shouldn’t… If you need them, maybe you should join the military and learn the proper way to use them and then you can have them to fight for our country if need be. Keep an open mind America. Just because the violence may not have directly affected you or your area, it has affected other people.

    • nelson3300

      Don’t use the hunting argument… don’t even mention it, please. It is totally irrelevant to why the framers added the 2nd amendment. Study history, not the headlines!

      It has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. Nothing.