Black activists and politicians force Trader Joe’s grocery out: Claim it would attract too many whites

By: Michael Lotfi
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PORTLAND, Ore., February 7, 2014– According to local media outlet, The Oregonian (Highlighted by the Associated Press), African American activists and politicians forced the Trader Joe’s grocery chain to drop their plans for a new store in a predominately black community because the store would “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations.”

“We run neighborhood stores, and our approach is simple,” said the grocery chain. “If a neighborhood does not want a Trader Joe’s, we understand, and we won’t open the store in question.”

The Portland Development Commission offered a substantial discount to the grocery chain for a two acre parcel of land that appraised for $2.9 million. The land, which sat undeveloped for years, was offered to the chain for $500,000 in an attempt to bring high paying jobs and prosperity to the neighborhood. The construction project, which was to include a two large anchor buildings and 10 retail shops, was promised to an African American owned construction company.

The Portland African American Leadership Forum, along with the Mayor Charlie Hales, sent letters to Portland Development Commission citing that they were “contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement of the African American community.” They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t primarily benefit African Americans.


Hales did concede that he felt the Trader Joe’s could be a good fit, but other leaders weren’t budging.

The grocery chain is based out of California and regularly makes headlines for their revolutionary business model that brings discount health-foods and products to neighborhoods. Also, the chain is continuously praised as one of the highest paying grocers in the world. New employees start out at $10-20/hr., supervisors make $45k-75k/yr. and store managers bring in six-figure salaries. Also, the company makes regular contributions to employee 401k accounts.

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Michael Lotfi is a Persian-American political analyst and adviser living in Nashville, Tennessee where he works as the executive director for the Tenth Amendment Center (TN). Lotfi founded TheLibertyPaper.org, which is an online news source that is visited daily by readers in over 135 countries. Lotfi also writes a column at The Washington Times called "American Millennial". Lotfi graduated in the top 5% of his class with top honors from Belmont University, an award winning, private university located in Nashville, Tennessee.

  • Wootsauce

    Fine. Let them live in the ghetto. Just ammunition for us when the say they’re being held down by the White Man!

    • marysaunders

      Hilarious. Again, I invite you to visit. The New York Times and TripAdvisor have not called Alberta Street a ghetto, not with lines out the door for brunch and lavender ice cream on the street. KBOO, our local listener-sponsored radio station, had an announcement that a suburban mayor tried to get TJ to open a store there. The management said they don’t have enough college-degree density. Alberta Street does. I’m not blaming TJ. It’s our PDC that is out to some steakhouse with the TJ crew. Have the PDC big-wigs visited Alberta, directly east of this property? It would be hard to believe the deciders at PDC have not walked the street, but maybe they haven’t. Alberta Street is on the interesting side of the river.

      • ct

        If you lived in the blackest major city in America, where your white peers are continually and consistently pressed out of your last surviving community, I doubt you’d want more black buisnesses moving in and causing your numbers to deminish further. But I also doubt any of you can imagine living as a minority in the most concentrated black major city in the US either.

  • SimplyLydia

    Unbelievable! All communities need a Trader Joe’s. How sad.

    • krinks

      How could you not want a store that pays a living wage????

  • Vikodlak

    The black community is the black community’s biggest threat.

    • Qari

      Black leadership* is the black community’s biggest threat.

      • Defiant

        LOL! “black leadership”

  • Vikodlak

    I just read the original story from the source and it doesn’t mention anything about the makeup of the community other than that construction was offered to a minority owned construction company. Where does the author get the info that it’s blacks keeping it out?

    • Kim Graves

      i agree i cannot stand all the racist crap anymore i’m sick and tired of every single thing being put down to race, why on earth would any race not want a healthy grocery chain to put a store in their neighborhood esp if they offer nice pay

    • vacuumation

      It’s mentioned in this KOMO report, about a group called ‘The Portland African American Leadership Forum’ – http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Trader-Joes-drops-black-neighborhood-store-plan-243441341.html

      • Vikodlak

        Thank you.

        • vacuumation

          No problem. And slight correction to state the article is from the Associated Press, which is the story all the other outlets have picked up on (including now Yahoo News). The Oregonlive article is more detailed and from their own local writers.

    • lolwut

      (At midday, the Portland African American Leadership Forum held a press conference at the Alberta lot to discuss its plans going forward. Read Casey Parks’ story here)

    • Scott Sourile

      I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed this story wasn’t cited well. There was nothing to verify this story. Further more, I dn’t care how paid off you think main-stream media is. This would have hit CNN and Fox News in under 10 minutes. No mention.

    • Joe Palooka

      It’s not too hard to find.
      http://search.oregonlive.com/trader+joes/

      • Vikodlak

        Thank you. I initially just searched the Oregonians website and only read the first story I found in this. My bad.

  • secondwife

    Most communities would LOVE to have a Trader Joe’s in their neighborhood. Are these people nuts!?

    • Heather Bender

      No. These people are black.

  • Robert MacKay

    But I guess Popeyes chicken and biscuits is ok right ?

  • marysaunders

    I live here, and this is an interesting interpretation. This tussle is about giving local people the same terms as out-of-town people and the opportunity to have ownership of ground and retail in our own land. I understand how an outsider would want to tell things this way from what appeared in our media. Our media heard from new residents. I’m white, and I’m an old resident. I’m totally on board with PAALF, as are many who patronize the many food providers already in the neighborhood. I invite you to visit Alberta Street and close environs. Then try to tell me the area is a food desert. PDC is downtown, and they don’t get it yet, from all I hear on the street and in the ‘hood. PDC is going to get it though, eventually.

    • vacuumation

      The worry is that it will ‘gentrify’ the neighborhood, leading to higher rental costs, and driving out the poor folks. But wouldn’t it increase property values for everyone? What’s wrong with upgrading the surroundings? I’m not familiar with that area.

    • TonyWestover

      There is no “narrative” being told here. It’s straight up racism. We recognize it as racism because that’s what it is.

  • P.Lamm
    • Michael Lotfi

      The link broke.

  • Noel

    The reason they were upset…they would rather have affordable housing (read: income based/section 8) than a healthy store which would bring income opportunities to the immediate area. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/02/portland_african_american_lead_1.html

  • Johnbraavo

    Can’t have the black population free from gobment hand outs can we lol. I wonder if the rest of the black poplution in this area feel the same as the black activist do? Can’t have whitey moving in, the property values might increase.

    • Ben Franklin

      actually, more whites receive welfare. But white corporate america, are the biggest subsidized by the government. Farmers are second.

      • Johnbraavo

        Wow nothing like distorting stats,,And what is the population of the black community compared to the white population? And corporate welfare is another one of your distortions…You should run BO’s administration.

        • Qari

          He is right, corporations receive far more welfare than average people in this country. Remember TARP, or cash for clunkers, or Obamacare, or the lucrative military contracts/

  • Erik Swenson

    Well who can blame them? It might just reinforce the stereotype like we see on the show “Portlandia”?

    All kidding aside… who cares… businesses and white people in general are running scared of being labeled “racist” so they do whatever it takes to prevent that. Its called PR. Politically correct PR by the white folk out there!

    I wonder what will happen when white people are the minority in a few years? Probably nothing because we are turning into a bunch a self loathing, hateful, disingenuous, mealy mouthed wimps.

    • Influence Freedom

      I think I was called a racist 8 times this morning lol. All because I do not support the president, even though I never once was mean about him. They called me all kinds of names, and said I was racist etc., I told them I feel very bad for them to have so much fear in their hearts to believe everyone is a racist just for disagreeing with a president. I very very nicely suggested they should go seek professional help for their fear. People are getting fed up with the fake labels and attacks though. I see it coming to a head.

      • MikeJwF

        They are the racists, they just don’t know it.

      • TheWholeTruth

        When in that situation, I simple inform them that I’m all for his black half, I think it’s cool to have a black president, it’s his white half’s policies I have the problem with. They usually shut up then.

        • Influence Freedom

          I will have to try that one :)

      • krinks

        Right. the very term “racist” causes racism I think. It causes hatred towards those I wouldn’t give a second thought about. It causes me to not want to go anywhere “they” are to spend my money and time. I will go towards the rural areas where you can’t get to by bus and there is no public housing.

  • LEAVINGSCSOON

    I guess they would rather keep the whites out than have $10-$20 an hour jobs. And who is the racists?

    • http://www.jessereport.com/ Jesse Report

      Why would they (the neighborhood) want job creation… Obama keeps them reliant on Government assistance. “Free Money”

    • CplUsmc

      Working for decent pay reduces their victim status. Without victims, how would the race baiters maintain their grip on power?

  • impartialgeek

    So does this mean that black people don’t like organic food? Is that the message here?

    • Zeitgeist

      TJ’s does not sell grape drink.

  • Brandon Bowers

    >>They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.

    Racist pricks

  • glockstr

    Prime example of racism;
    “They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.”

    • http://www.redstateeclectic.typepad.com AngelaTC

      Screw it. Build a military recruiting center there. The Air Force can be the anchor, with the Army, Navy and Marines in smaller storefronts.

  • RockwellH

    and they say whites are racist

  • MikeJwF

    Meh, move along, let the lefties have their race card.

  • Johnbraavo

    So black folks don’t like health food stores,that’s great now I know it’s safe to shop at Treader Joe’s….I guess this statement makes me a racist lol

  • Influence Freedom

    La Raza wants people gone and killed, and many illegals want us to change all our laws, that is my main concern to be honest. I can understand the black community at least having some issues with whites. I do not excuse the racism, but I at least understand where it comes from. The La Raza and illegals who hate, truly bother me though.

  • Tara Barron

    They don’t want a Trader Joe’s there; please build one in Hawaii. We want one!!!

    • Ben Franklin

      But then I’d move to hawaii, the rents would go up, and you’d have to move to the mainland.

      • Qari

        The other side of the coin is important too. House prices are raised as well. So, homeowners benefit.

  • Danny Kirk Fulkerson

    Yay racism

  • ModdKenwood

    they’re doing TJ’s a favor…they won’t be robbed,won’t have rampant shoplifting,and won’t be the victim of a black flashmob.

    • Heather Bender

      From the article, it sounded like TJs and the developer did everything to appease the local blacks, probably out of White Guilt. They shouldn’t have bothered.

  • spongeO

    Portland…the land of oppressed populations.

  • The_Basseteer

    This is reminiscent of an old ‘Doonesbury’ comic strip, ” Separate Water Fountains!! — “Cartoonist Garry Trudeau’s ”Doonesbury” strip stepped into the controversy with two weeks of strips in mid-September that showed a college president struggling with empowerment-hungry students who had ”managed to produce a fully segregated campus” — and now demand separate water fountains” –http://articles.baltimoresun.com/…/1993274192_1_dorms…

  • Scruffy Scirocco

    Blacks discriminating against themselves. . . .I guess you can’t fix stupid.

  • TonyWestover

    Wow, this is ridiculously racist. These people deserve their misery.

  • WWE>TNA

    But if whites protested anything African-American related being built in a mostly white area, we’d have the NAACP and Jesse Jackson all over our asses.

    And they say WE’RE the racists.

    • talkslow

      i mean, you guys are the ones who start flipping out the minute a black family moves into your neighborhood… your hypothetical situation is an absolute truth… so yeah, you ARE the racists. nice try though! :D

      • WWE>TNA

        Nice try at a comeback, but who was it that went around beating the shit out of other races after the Trayvon Martin murder?

        A valiant effort, but your argument failed.

  • Ben Franklin

    I see their point. Rents are raised, and people are kicked out. It happens all the time in the Bay Area. However, what they don’t understand, is that Trader Joes always hires locally first.

    • Michael Lotfi

      So because rents go up due to improved economic conditions people should remain impoverished? Rents go up due to increased economic activity, which brings jobs and prosperity to those who seek it. Your interpretation is far too shallow.

      • Tina C

        do you support an increase in minimum wage, michael?

        • Michael Lotfi

          Nope. Wage floors create economic dead weight loss.

          • Michael Lotfi

            But, I certainly encourage companies to voluntarily pay their employees what the market demands.

          • Tina C

            O how kind of you! We see unique companies like Costco and TJ and a few others paying their employees stronger wages. v the bulwarks- walmart and mcdonalds. if as you say that rent goes up due to better income and prosperity then it is the best interest of the country to have higher wages and yes the government should do all it can to make that happen.

          • Michael Lotfi

            This is a shallow argument. Do you have a degree in economics?

          • Tina C

            shallow? that I used your point to expand the premise? Dear mike, sounds like you are the shallow one, hon.

          • Michael Lotfi

            I tell you what Tina… If you want to talk about wage floors, economics dead weight loss, and consumer/producer surplus in the labor markets then get back to me. Otherwise, your argument is “shallow” in that you do not actually understand the “depth” of the subject, which you are attempting to discuss. I’m not calling you “shallow”. Just your argument.

          • Tina C

            you need to re-read your own comment mike. that’s the simple answer to your weak rebuttal. I know it bothers you as you are trying to suggest eloquence and skilled knowledge, but the bottom line is- “rents go up due to increased economic activity, which brings jobs and prosperity…” your words, not mine. It is therefore a good for the all of the people that increased economic activity (courtesy of higher wages) is part of the entire landscape.
            Why do you want us all to pay for walmart and mcdonalds employees’ healthcare and welfare?

          • Michael Lotfi

            Have you ever studied up on logical fallacies? You seem to be an expert. A great professor once told me, “Never waste your time arguing down…” I’ll take that advice now.

          • Enema Of The State

            You should have taken that advice an hour ago

          • Tina C

            that same professor told you “don’t go away mad,…”
            I see you tipped your king, your concession is accepted.

          • Michael Lotfi

            Concession ? Lol hardly. You have no experience in, or knowledge of economics. You rely on emotionally driven logical fallacies in an attempt to repudiate my, as you put it, “skilled knowledge.” When you actually want to talk shop and use the proper vernacular when discussing the principles of economics give me a shout back. Until then, sure you “won”.

          • Tina C

            hon, its obvious that your attempt to debunk my point, which is based entirely on your premise, is both feeble and transparent.
            “talk shop”? With you? Why bother? Your responses to my counter have been without value. Face it, you don’t like that you painted yourself into a corner, by- of all people- someone who isn’t as ‘edumacated’ as you?
            O the travesty. Now- I have a more important things to do than engage in petty banter with you. I would say ‘its been charming’ but mother and father taught me to be honest.
            Adios Miguel. (oh- next time, learn how to debate.. and don’t take out your frustrations on your SO)

          • MikeJwF

            Tina, if we’re to keep raising minimum wage how do you think employers and corporations will realistically (that means in the real world, not Sci-Fi liberal world) recoup those costs? From their bottom line? Dream on.

          • Tina C

            “We” don’t seem to have a problem allowing the income / compensation for CEOs to skyrocket. And as any educated person knows, unless the individual actually started the enterprise (~Gates, Jobs, “Ford” or similar), the CEO is nothing more than a person at the helm and the ship moves VERY slowly.
            Perhaps Iacocca was the last real CEO who was heavily engaged in the historic private sector (heavy industry, etc- exclusive of the dot.com market) and influenced the corporation. The rest, in many person’s informed opinion, is that they were just stewards and nothing else- (now start a column on that if you dare, Michael! imo, it all started when the CEO had to respond to specifically to quarterly numbers rather than any mid / long term ‘vision’.
            Another question- is the COL the same in NYC as say… Omaha or Nashville or Tucson? You know as well as I do that the burger flippers are no longer high school kids. And its well known that walmart and mcdonalds do not provide benefits for all their employees. So- we are subsidizing ~all of them- is that what you want? Tax payers supporting large corporations for no net benefit? (yes- one of the big reasons why ACA- written by the Heritage Foundation and hyped by Gingrich and many others, gained such support)
            If its all about capitalism then the workers should have the right to organize and challenge for better wages. Capitalism goes two ways after all. The employer needs to better assess the value of his/her goods. A burger in NYC should cost more than one in ~Toledo.
            Oh- the bottom line for walmart (made in the USA was its old moniker) and mcdonalds was quite handsome, thank you very much.
            We’ve gotten off topic here and as much as I enjoy a charged discussion, I want to wrap up last minute office items (yes, I work at as a senior manager in commodities).
            And yes, I plan to enjoy a martini or two with my delightful husband at a quite nice steakhouse. So- thanks for your comments- it may be that we think more alike than our posts suggest.

          • MikeJwF

            With all of that being said, they will still get their money from somewhere. It will be the consumers that pay more for the product, never the CEO taking a cut to pay employees more. Are you suggesting that the government step in and tell them they can’t make as much money as they do? That’ll be the day…

          • Qari

            The beauty of the market is that different companies can offer more or less to their employees. If they offer less and sell stuff for less, then they might succeed up to a point (how motiviated is a person to work for a lower wage vs a higher wage.) However, if they offer a higher wage and higher prices, consumers might reject them for being too expensive. And then of course, some consumers prefer higher prices for a nicer shopping experience. Here in Florida we have Publix, which is like the 5 star hotel of shopping. And some people like that. Does that mean EVERYONE prefers to pay higher prices? No. We have Walmarts and Save-a-lots too. They are for the poorest people (or my dad, who could afford Publix but prefers the cheaper alternative.) The beauty of the market is choice. And of course, workers can choose to work at one place or the other. For every rise in wages, expect costs to go up, and to drive mom and pop shops out of business which can’t afford higher wages like the chain stores.

          • mplspolitics

            How precious, the appeal to emotion fallacy. Are you enjoying winter break at your Jr High school?

          • Tina C

            yes- and your mom said I’m to make sure you and the other 6 year olds go to sleep by 7.

          • mplspolitics

            Imagine that – an ad hominem following the logical fallacy, with projection no less. Does Team Blue ever let you have your own thoughts, puddin’?

          • Gesty

            It is in the best interest of the country to have high productivity; government does not produce anything. New businesses providing products and services lift the tide, forcing businesses to pay people more value than they can provide further limits employment. Why do you want to hurt the poor by pricing them out of the market and inhibiting new entrepreneurship?

      • Ben Franklin

        No, they should choose to do as they will. Shallow or not, it’s what happens. Plus it’s not my interpretation, it’s my observation here in the Bay Area. Rent goes up, and everyone can’t get that great paying $10 an hour to pay the increase. So, it’s a catch 22. With 40% unemployment in America (yes 40). I also work at Trader Joes because of the feds economic failure. I lost my job in advertising. Now I can’t afford the condo i was living in… I share a one bedroom with a roommate. The point is that there could be unintended consequences.

        • Michael Lotfi

          Mmmk.

          • Ben Franklin

            oh… like the guy from south park… i get it.

          • Luke G.

            Please, show some professionalism. I’ve always been a supporter of Ben Swann but recently the staff has been beyond disappointing. Don’t respond with snarks and condescending remarks, it makes you seem like you all don’t know what your talking about by being so defensive and passive aggressive. I’m sure you do, so let it show! Just humor our ignorance even for a moment even only for the sake of your own professional appearance.

          • Qari

            I agree. The goal is real education, not arguing. The guy was making a point about his experience, there was no need to be snarky.

        • Qari

          It might raise rents if Trader Joe’s makes it a better place to live, which may or may not happen. Look at the other side of the coin though. If it’s predominately an area were homes are owned (and looking at google maps, that is the case) then those people’s home values go up.

  • DeAngela R Osborne

    I don’t understand why everybody is attacking the community, this has to do with PAALF, not the community. The community wanted Trader Joes, PAALF are the assholes here, bash them, a group of roughly 20 glorified hall monitors. To scream that the entire community is racist as opposed to just the 20 assholes that caused this just makes it bigger than it has to be. I don’t know that this organization was voted in by the community but if so they should probably rethink that.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/02/trader_joes_decision_to_pull_o.html

    • TonyWestover

      Read the story. The freakin’ mayor came out against it saying the gentrification is “destructive” and displaces black people because apparently black people can’t make money. (Yeah, that’s not racist.)

      So yes, blame the community. They elected the mayor. They deserve their misery.

      • DeAngela R Osborne

        Lol, so the entire community should be labeled racist when they were against the decision? (Yeah, that makes sense.)

        • Johnbraavo

          Who voted the mayor into office?

          • DeAngela R Osborne

            Okay let me make sure I got this straight. So, if you did not vote for, let’s say, Obama, you deserve to be attacked or ridiculed because of those that did? I just want to make sure I understand.

            And these particular residents, who may have not even voted for the Mayor, should be labeled as racists?

            “Was there a vote? This should be reevaluated,” said Kymberly Jeka, an artist who lives a few blocks away. “This is not what the neighborhood people want. This is terrible.”

            Grayson Dempsey, an 11-year King resident who can see the vacant lot from her window, said she tried offering her support at neighborhood association meetings, but her voice was drowned out by the opposition.

            “I moved here when there were gunshots out the window,” Dempsey said. “I appreciate that (PAALF) is trying to talk about the origins of gentrification. That’s really essential, but they can’t stand up and say, ‘As residents of the King neighborhood, this is what we want.’ The residents of the King neighborhood want this to happen.”

            Is that what you guys are saying?

          • Rita Bookman

            I find it HILARIOUS that none of them can respond to you after this. People don’t want to have a valid debate where it actually involves thinking and research. They would rather throw rocks at a comment in attempt to discredit your point…but can’t defend theirs when rebutted. THAT is how you shut somebody down/up!!!

          • DeAngela R Osborne

            It blows my mind that they are even staunch in their unwarranted convictions that make no sense at all. It’s like, hey I want to attack this entire community for no valid reason whatsoever and even when my initial reason was proven to be wrong, I still say we should call them racist and lazy and attack them. The entire community! Dammit!
            Lol, it’s like living in the ****ing twilight zone.

          • DeAngela R Osborne

            Actually, in reading further, the Mayor was all for it, even offered them 80% off of the market value even though Trader Joe’s certainly could have afforded to pay full market value for the property. So, do we still call the entire community racist for those that voted in the Mayor that was in support of the deal? Just want to make sure I understand.

        • TonyWestover

          I didn’t call the community racists, although indicators are that they are racist. I called the mayor racist.

      • DeAngela R Osborne

        It was not the mayor that said that, it was PAALF, the mayor supported it and offered Trader Joes 80% off of the market value for the property. So, with that being said are we still blaming the entire community?

        • TonyWestover

          “It was not the freakin’ mayor that said that, it was PAALF”

          The mayor sent letters too. I do not care if you can’t cope with reality and it’s pathetic the lengths that you go to delude yourself.

          “So, with that being said are we still blaming the entire community?”

          Yeah, because they elected him. Elections have consequences.

          “We should call the entire community racist and lazy when their mayor actually supported it? I’m confused.”

          You certainly are confused.

          I didn’t call the community racist, although that appears to be the case. I called the mayor racist.

          • Dee

            I honestly can’t wait for our country to be rid of hateful narrow minded people such as yourself, my grandchildren will know a better tomorrow. I bet you call yourself a republican too huh? People like you are the exact reason I will have nothing to do with that party anymore after having voted that way 20 years, it’s embarrassing to republicans that can actually put a thought together on their own. Plus, how is it that the white mayor is racist in a predominately white community? And again the mayor supported this idea 100% so not sure where you are getting your information. Looking at the census for this area it is almost entirely white and still most reacted to Lotfi’s “predominately black neighborhood” bull**** without a second thought so he can get himself some website hits. (baa baa)

            Regarding minority populations in this area the community is only at around 6% black (if that) after historically being a black community as the result of the gentrification that has occurred in the area. They have a white democratic mayor that this predominately white community voted in, (Micheal Lotfi thinks he’s black lol, smart guy), the only dilemma here appears to be that some yuppie white liberals just need a Trader Joe’s within walking distance, there is one about 4 miles from here. My closest Trader Joe’s is around 20-25 miles from me so I am having a pretty hard time seeing the horrible dilemma occurring here but third world problems I guess. There is also a Whole Foods 3 miles from here, there are 3 New Season’s Markets within 2-4 miles from here, Cherry Sprout Produce is 3 miles from here, there is a Fred Meyer 1.5 miles from here, a Wal-Mart Super Center 3 miles from here, Alberta Cooperative Grocery is 1 mile from here and there is a Safeway on this same road; this is hardly the “food desert” the article would have you believe.

            Looking at people screaming stuff like this below which is in the thread makes me realize just how dense people really are, I’d say it’s sad but really it is just a plague upon our society:

            “Wait…..WHAT??? They turned DOWN a company that would bring JOBS and PROSPERITY to their community because they were afraid it would bring white people to their neighborhood????”

            Lol, this town is thriving with lots of white liberals and lots of cookie cutter white shops contrary to the tone of the article that everybody is living in mud huts and Trader Joe’s was going to swoop in and save everybody so i’m not sure why people are screaming for them to leave this community “oppressed”. Don’t hang on every cheap sensationalized headline and straight up lies in the body of an article intended to get some tool some website hits, it’s sad.

            I keep seeing people say, what if the roles were reversed and yet of course they were reversed, for quite some time and nobody said a word. How can anyone think they weren’t reversed when it went from being 80% black to 6% black? So some in the community may not want a Trader Joe’s on this lot, it’s just not that big of a deal in that they may want a black owned business there (there are a crap ton of cute little cookie cutter white owned shops now) and/or don’t think that this multi-billion dollar corporation should get a 2.4 million dollar subsidy. The idea was actually supported if the subsidy was removed and affordable housing be part of the deal. None of this seems unreasonable to me. And with the housing part being said, don’t think for a minute that white people in this area would not have benefited from that deal as well. In this predominately white liberal community roughly 140,000 people (and that number keeps on climbing in this predominately white community) are on the gubment’s teat that you people are always freaking out about and yet only around 36,000 black people live here (600,000 people total) but still all of the knuckle draggers in this thread are screaming about black people that make up less than 10% of this population.

            I saw people screaming that the white democratic mayor likes to “keep the people down to keep getting votes”. Keep who down? Whitey? Lol. Remember it’s a predominately white community that voted in their white liberal mayor, it’s actually cited as being one of “the whitest major cities in the country”.

            Black people in this community have seen disproportionately little of the benefit of the urban renewal efforts in their historic neighborhood in Portland and as a result they have largely been priced out of their historic homes in Portland, and that’s a fact. Read some more here
            http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05

            And here (although I highly doubt many give a shit)
            http://www.doj.state.or.us/vic

            So at the very end of the day all of you people are freaking out about the travesty of mostly entitled white people not getting a Trader Joe’s within walking distance in their predominately white yuppie liberal community. (slow clap)

          • TonyWestover

            *LOL* You really suck at life, huh.

            I stated a demonstrable fact and you couldn’t handle it and went on some crazy ass rant that was completely irrelevant.

            Get a life, loser. Or better yet, think before you open your yap.

          • Dee

            Lol, yeah, okay.

            “I stated a demonstrable fact and you couldn’t handle it”

            What fact? Again, the mayor supported this project 100% and you called him a racist, lol, is that your fact? How on Earth do you get demonstrable fact from that? The letter that he sent BACK to PAALF (the letter referenced in this article was addressed TO the mayor, not FROM the mayor) supports that fact, entirely, it defends his stance and that of PDC in SUPPORT OF. It’s actually somewhat scathing of PAALF. Did you even read the letter that the mayor sent or are you hanging on every word in this halfassed article? Let me know if you need a link to the letter you keep referencing that goes entirely against the point you are trying to make.

          • TonyWestover

            “Mayor Charlie Hales and the urban renewal agency’s executive director, Patrick Quinton, signed a letter in January that described what they said was the commission’s contributions ‘to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement on the African American community.’”

            I’m on the side of the facts. You’re not. Seriously, get a life, loser.

          • Dee

            “I’m on the side of facts”.

            Lol, no. No you’re not.

            As far as the letter you keep referencing to make your point it is from PDC, on PDC letterhead, signed off by the mayor (who they answer directly to) and Patrick Quinton (who is on the board of PDC), so now you would propose that Portland Development Commission was against this project and are racist? It was their deal, lol. It’s their letter, Hales and Quinton just signed off on it is all. In the letter they (PDC) do acknowledge that some of their projects in the past have led to the destructive impact of gentrification and they have. I presume something like that is probably insignificant to a person such as yourself but it matters to many. Again the letter you are referencing to make your point is from PDC, the very group that was giving the deal in the first place to Majestic Realty and Trader Joe’s so to say you have facts is just comical, seriously.

            Several local grocery stores sent letters too by the way. Example, Cherry Sprout is a grocery store about a dozen blocks away that sells organic produce. The owners fired a letter off to the PDC as well on Nov. 14 saying their store could get squeezed out by a new corporate chain like Trader Joe’s. “We do not know how long we’ll last,” said Wiles and Nichols. “The fallout of this PDC transaction will be devastating for the local grocers in the area.” P’s & Q’s Market and the Alberta Co-Op Grocery sent letters as well.

            But you keep telling yourself you’re on the side of facts, lol.

          • TonyWestover

            Again, I’m on the side of the facts. You’re not, no matter how much pathetic whining you do.

            Seriously, get a life, loser.

          • Dee

            HA HA HA!! Your whole point of this thread from your very first comment was about the mayor being against this project and I showed you that he wasn’t it and you can’t acknowledge that. You can’t handle that.

            The article said the letter to PAALF was from the Mayor and it would have you believe that the Mayor and Patrick Quenton were bashing PDF for something. Quenton IS PDF and PDF answers to the mayor lol. The letter you are referencing yourself saying that “you’re on the side of facts.” The very thing you copied and pasted that said,

            “”Mayor Charlie Hales and the urban renewal agency’s executive director, Patrick Quinton, signed a letter in January that described what they said was the commission’s contributions ‘to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement on the African American community,’”

            The letter is FROM PORTLAND DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. You’re right , the facts are right in front of you, I provided them for you since clearly you don’t have Google on your computer. All you have to do is click on it to see that Lotfi spun that for you to react that yet you still deny it so you can hang on some dude’s word and rant about nothing (baa baa). NOW THAT…is a loser Tony.

            Seriously, it’s ****ing pathetic.

          • TonyWestover

            You’re still at this? My God, you really suck at life.

            YOUR SOURCE DISPROVES YOUR PREMISE.

            I don’t care about how much you have to lie to yourself. That’s your problem, not mine. I have more dignity than you and choose to experience reality instead.

          • Dee

            “I’m on the side of facts”.

            Lol, no. No you’re not Tony.

            “Seriously, get a life, loser”

            That actually makes me laugh, I honestly just don’t know many grown-ups that say that. When I read it I read it in a valley girl voice.

            As far as the letter you keep referencing to make your point it is from PDC, on PDC letterhead, signed off by the mayor (who they answer directly to) and Patrick Quinton (who is on the board of PDC), so now you would propose that Portland Development Commission was against this project and are racist? It was their deal, lol. You do know that right? It’s their letter, Hales and Quinton just signed off on it is all. But i’m glad you keep bringing up the letter. This letter that you’re so proud of to prove your point only proves that the Portland Development Commission and the mayors office have done exactly what PAALF is claiming that they have done in the past sooooo good job proving that point. (slow clap)

            “Mayor Charlie Hales and the urban renewal agency’s executive director, Patrick Quinton, signed a letter in January that described what they said was the commission’s contributions ‘to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement on the African American community.’”

            Lol, not exactly right, although they did sign the letter so it’s halfassed right, kinda like this article. It is Portland Development Commission that is acknowledging in their OWN letter back to PAALF that they (PDC) have in fact “contributed to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement on the African American community” in the past. And the mayor signed off on it that yes they have, they have in fact been responsible for projects in the past directly contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement on the African American community. Hence the fact that the historically black community is now at around 6% black and 80% white. I presume something like that is probably insignificant to a person such as yourself but it matters to many.

            So just to recap, the letter you are referencing to prove your point is from the Portland Development Commission, the very same people that were giving the deal in the first place to Majestic Realty and Trader Joe’s where in it they are acknowledging exactly what PAALF is claiming so to say you have facts is just comical to me, seriously, it made me laugh out loud when I saw your little copy and paste reference that had a little added spin on it to get a reaction from the people. Don’t be such a follower.

            Several local grocery stores sent letters too by the way. Example, Cherry Sprout is a grocery store about a dozen blocks away that sells organic produce. The owners fired a letter off to the PDC as well on Nov. 14 saying their store could get squeezed out by a new corporate chain like Trader Joe’s. “We do not know how long we’ll last,” said Wiles and Nichols. “The fallout of this PDC transaction will be devastating for the local grocers in the area.” P’s & Q’s Market and the Alberta Co-Op Grocery sent letters as well.

            So Tony, here is the letter to PAALF from the Portland Development Commission in response to PAALF’s letter to them and the mayor, the very letter you keep referencing to prove your point that doesn’t exist, on the contrary, it only proves PAALF’s point on what has been going on in the community. (baa baa)
            http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1004532/pdc-response-to-paalf.pdf

  • Skip

    Excuse me but what happened to integration? That is what countless civil rights activists wanted during the 1960s.

  • Tony Vazquez

    A white-owned and operated business is denied a spot in a predominately black community because it would
    “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed
    populations.”…in other words, it would encourage further business development and neighborhood beautification through eminent domain.

    But if Joe Black inquired about an apartment for rent in a suburban neighborhood, and is denied, Joe Black cries out “Racism” and “Discrimination”.
    So now we have a fkng DOUBLE-STANDARD!
    It’s okay for a spade to call spades, but spades don’t like being called out with the truth!

    • Anthony Buisc

      It’s actually a predominantly white neighborhood, as are all the neighborhoods in the predominantly white city of Portland. I should know, I’m born and raised here.

      There is no such thing as a predominantly black neighborhood in Portland….that’s the irony.

      • Defiant

        Well, there were eough of them consolidated in one area, to force out a white business. That sounds like a predominantly black neighborhood.

        • Anthony Buisc

          You sound like a predominantly idiotic fool.

          You’re attempting to convince the world that the reason whites out number all other groups in Portland, is because whites are a minority?

          HAHAHAHAH! That’s funny. You should do stand up comedy.

  • Mathewson

    I imagine a lot of you support the shop local mentality? The angle I am seeing here and the argument against “gentrification” is that these are black communities. They want to own their own businesses. They want to employ people from the community and they want their money to stay in their community. They want to shop local and be the owners not employees.

    What they do not want is a corporate chain coming in and exporting the money they have worked hard to earn. Even if that firm pays good wages and hires black contractors.

    If you listen to comenters who claim to be locals the community is thriving without Trader Joe’s. This is not a local issue it is happening nationally. Black communities that have long been considered “ghettos” are now prime real estate. Cities use economic improvement plans to drive up rents and drive out the population that has lived there for generations.

    I admit this is a complicated issue and the PAALF presents a racist argument. However, there is more to this story than simple racism. It is quite embarrassing to read a lot of the comments on here. Loose interpretations: “They would rather not have the job and be on welfare.” “black people don’t like organic food” “now I know where I can shop and there won’t be any crime”.

    The comments you leave reflect on the article and website to people who visit Ben Swann for the first time. Have some class and make a reasoned argument rather than resorting to simple one liners steeped in racism or devoid of any real content.

    • Tina C

      Very good points- all the way around! Sadly, many do want a simple answer to a complex issue. Its the same thing with Rev Wright. His sermon (that many didn’t listen to or grasp) was ‘shop local’ and make the community grow. It was the government that oppressed the minorities.
      Of course, many just heard the god dammm the US- well, if a government and its representatives pushed for laws that kept me a slave, id condemn them for those actions too! Why is that so hard for some folk to understand? Would they attack any Jew who said ‘god dammm Germany?” or a Tibetan who said “god dammm china”?

    • tina S

      That would be great, now where exactly are all those black/local community based stores now?

    • dan

      Says this parcel of land has been vacant for years. How come none of these local business owners have taken advantage of this real estate? Or, how come none of them are thinking “Hmm, this store will move in, and they’ll build a larger plaza. Hey! We can move into those adjacent shops! We’ll make sure they commit to that before allowing them to start building.” Seems like a lot of short-sightedness here.

    • casterofpeals

      free trade has been shown to, time and again, bring about improvement for the locals.

      when you are saying you are apposed to a business coming in to a black ghetto foreign owned, what you are saying is that you appose freedom to do what you want. people in these ghettos, have had the opportunity to build businesses for decades. the koreans have done it for decades–no excuse for the ghetto natives not to do the same. so when someone actually comes in their with a wage opportunity actually surpassing what the mcdonald’s protesters wanted for their wages, people say “no” for such a silly reason as protectionism!

      this is yet one more example of how protectionism retards development of underdeveloped regions, and how this is related to culture.

      if you want to see how free trade with a more developed region, or letting their progress effect you, look at hong kong, early america (when we had free trade), for a few

      read “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” by Thomas Sowell, he obsessively researched and footnoted 6 very well done essays on this and other issues. and he’s african american, so it shouldn’t be as offend-able of a title

    • Doug

      “ghettos” are now prime real estate.

      Right, like Cabrini Green…where big corporate dollars demolished and rebuilt the place and many of the residents were kicked out? Nice try.

    • Angel

      So, there are no Mc Donalds or Burger Kings there either? Pretty sure those aren’t locally owned. Franchised maybe, but that still funnels $$ to the big bad whitey.

  • Blasé

    Find any article about Walmart coming to any community and you will find the same arguments. People are simply fearful of rapid change that might breed artificial shifts in a neighborhood that might be better served with the more organic and natural shifts that come with all neighborhoods over time. Drop the race baiting headline.

    • Qari

      What is artificial about a business moving in? What is a natural shift?

    • casterofpeals

      “the store would ‘increase the desirability of the neighborhood,’ for ‘non-oppressed populations.’”

      “The Portland African American Leadership Forum, along with the Mayor Charlie Hales, sent letters to Portland Development Commission citing that they were ‘contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement of the African American community.’ They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.

      “Hales did concede that he felt the Trader Joe’s could be a good fit, but other leaders weren’t budging.”

      it sounds like the headline was spot on, not typical of usual race bating IMO

    • dan

      Do you know anything about Trader Joe’s? Have you ever been to one? Even drawing a loose connection between one of these coming into an area and a Walmart, is just outright ignorant.

  • Michael Norton

    Good move Trader Joe’s. Flip the land and make a quick $2.4 million. Rinse and repeat this trick as often as possible everywhere. As a stock holder, I approve this move.

    • michael

      If you believe you own stock in trader joes, I e got a bridge to sell ya

  • joswat

    yet again further evidence of the ‘keep ‘em on the plantation’ mentality. heaven forbid that a community be allowed to change or grow for fear of displacing well-entrenched political control.

  • freeverse

    What is a “black activist”? Isn’t that just another term for “racist”? If ANY other race were to do this there would be a backlash like you have never seen. That’s crap. Why does it always come down to race anyway? Why does it matter what skin color you have?

    • kyle reese

      This is why it’s important that people of all color steer away from race baiting mainstream media such as MSNBC. I actually saw a clip of some ignorant lady making fun of Romney for adopting a black child right on the air. that’s just plain ignorant. The sad truth is that child will probably have more opportunity for a happy life and quality education and career than most black OR WHITES in this country and she should be happy for that fact and for a child in a good home. It’s about soul color, not skin color. I never judge a person by the color of their skin. I judge a person by the way they walk, talk, and carry themselves – by their demeanor. The REAL enemy here is the 200 or so globalist bankers that will have us all in chains picking cotton if we don’t come together to stop them.

      • Defiant

        Kumbaya my Lord…Kumbaya…

    • talkslow

      LOL no other race was ever enslaved and then kept in poverty the way blacks were. THAT’S why we have black activists. Read a book.

      • Defiant

        LMAO! “Kept in poverty” Yeah! It’s just that everyone else wanted to move on past the discrimination! To prove themselves! To EARN respect. (See the Itailians and Irish.) Blacks just want a free check. Nobody is holding you down. Stop doing drugs…SHOW UP at school…do your homework. Don’t have babies until you[‘re married and both have work. Like white people…you know? That coupled with the advantages of affirmative action and your employer’s low performance-expectations will easily allow you to succeed. Blacks just need a GRAIN of effort…

      • http://standrewsnews.org/ ConfederateCatholic .

        You’re joking, right? Black people were the only slaves? Assyrians, Ottomans, Persians, etc. only enslaved blacks?
        Read a book yourself. A history book.

    • Defiant

      It matters when it makes you a target in a black kid’s knockout game…

  • S Loire King

    This is utterly insane. Trader Joe’s would only be good for a neighborhood. I appreciate Joe’s stance about not going if not wanted, but the groups not wanting this store–just shooting yourself in the foot again. Insane.

  • Bill Hobbs

    Stupid racists do something stupid and racist, thus contributing to the continued downward spiral of the “oppressed peoples” they claim to be trying to help. Fools.

  • RegularJeff

    This just in… black political group disapproves of Ben Swann’s new background because it’s too white. But seriously, thank you for changing this it’s much easier on the eyes!

  • Kylady7

    Come to Northern KENTUCKY. We’ll welcome you with open arms!

  • Phydeux

    I wonder how they’re enjoying that bullet wound they just put into their foot?

    Their logic escapes me. “Lets protest a store that will employ ‘oppressed’ people in the community, give them a living wage, and help many up out of unemployment, just because we don’t want to improve the neighborhood and ACTUALLY do some good for the community.”

    Then again, this IS Portland, home of liberal dingbats and hippies.

  • dozr

    lol, stupid people, have stupid leaders, that lead them into oppression.

  • Scotster

    So… I guess they are saying they want segregation? Come full circle have we?

  • Rita Bookman

    Outside of the obvious ignorance (lost a $h!tload of jobs to so-called “oppressed” people), tell me why its ok for us to publicly feel this way, but not them??? Had the headline read in reverse, “White activists and politicians force urban clothing store out: Claim it would attract too many blacks”, it would have been the riots all over again. Reverse racism at it’s finest.

    • LogicalReason

      There’s nothing “reverse” about it, it’s simply racism.

    • Matthew Louis

      The double standard may not prove that the attitude of the blacks in this instance is wrong; it may prove the opposite: that regardless of the “racism” label, it’s okay for all types of people to have strong preferences with regard to local demographics and other factors that affect their daily lives.

    • talkslow

      Reverse racism isn’t real. You’re a moron.

      • Rita Bookman

        Well at least 41 people would disagree. You did good though, trying to sound smart and all. You seem special, so I’ll “talkslow” when I say this: Go……..drink……….bleach.

      • Defiant

        I think you’re right. There’s no such thing as reverse racism. Blacks are just plain racist. There’s nothing reverse about it.

    • Anthony Buisc

      Awe…ya gotta love how all the fake libertarians come out in droves
      to show their true colors (pardon the expression) when it comes to their
      love for corporate welfare subsidies to non-local businesses like
      Trader Joes.

      Are you people libertarians? Or are you folks in favor of corporate welfare subsidies? Because that’s the real issue here.

      But poor Ben Swann, he must be so hard up for internet traffic that
      he’s willing to shamelessly play the race card while virtually ignoring
      the real story; an inflationary increase in property value due to an
      influx of wealthier SUBSIDIZED businesses and building contracting,
      causes a displacement of local mom & pop businesses and the WORKING
      CLASS (predominantly white) community.

      That’s right, kiddos, what Ben Swann forgot to tell you is that the
      neighborhood in question is a predominantly white neighborhood, as most
      of the people in Portland are white, just like me. I should know, I
      live in Portland.

      (shakes head disapprovingly) Way to be the poster children for Fake
      Libertarianism, er I mean, Idiocracy…you all play into the hands of
      neoconservationism like foolish liberals play into the hands of
      neoliberalism.

      • Rita Bookman

        Cool story, bro.

  • http://kustomdesigner.com/ michael h

    I’ll remeber this shit when I see a minority move in my area.

  • Matthew Louis

    If we’re talking libertarian ethics, and this is a case of people asserting control, locally, to shape the community they live in, it should be perfectly acceptable.

    • Qari

      Of course! But using the state to assert that control is not so libertarian.

      • Matthew Louis

        A local government that’s reasonably responsive to local sentiment is not the state that libertarians fear.

        • rivahmitch

          Clearly, you know few libertarians.

        • Qari

          Someone who posted on the original article made a good point. The Portland development commission has refused to sell the two acre property in smaller parts (it’s 2 acres) which has kept local business out. That would have allowed the local businesses to build there. This is exactly a case of a state harming the people. The solution would be for this organization to push for allowing partial sale of the real estate, but they want no business to move in there for fear they are not black-owned.

          I’m as opposed to local government as much as the federal government.

          • Matthew Louis

            Some form of local government is inevitable and even desirable. The first thing you would want to do in a stateless setting is rope off an area where you could be certain your private property was secure. When a set of people designated a larger area for this, and agreed to police it or institute a policing mechanism–based on certain ground rules–you’d have a government, and it’d be fine.

            I don’t know or necessarily endorse how this situation is playing out,but if it represents the will of the people it directly affects, however misguided that will, then more power to them.

          • Qari

            That isn’t quite how a stateless society would work. Certainly, we don’t see that in places that have become stateless, or were never stateless. Hoppe, Rothbard and Robert Murphy has laid out a good idea of how it would look, and Friedman’s son (David) has done some real good historical research here. In essence, a stateless society (not one that has gone into that state because the state has failed, but is peaceably removed) would use the homesteading principal for designating resources. Policing agencies may be hired (not always) but are done so on a voluntary basis. The policing agencies would not set the laws. Rather, private courts which arbirtrate the situation would set laws and would be hired based on how agreeable such laws are to consumers. These bodies do not constitute the coercive power of government, nor forced taxation.

          • Matthew Louis

            A functioning legal system and stable society of any kind is reliant on either high frequency of personal responsibility or elevated threat of official punishment for anti-social behavior. Unless you plan to first eliminate all the people below a certain IQ threshold, what you describe is strictly fantasy. Don’t get me wrong, I dig the idea of a stateless society. The fly in the ointment, however, is the massive numbers of people who are incapable of self-government.

          • Qari

            Well, it’s not so much a pack of individuals, but rather a beginning of what might really be called society. In those places that did not have the hand of government making and enforcing laws, a social code existed. Friedman’s work is good on this point. He shows Iceland, Somalia (pre-colonial) and the Arab world during the middle ages (when they were actually producing real scientific advancements and such.) Society forms norms, and also means of addressing those. Even common law courts were private institutions before the crown took over the courts and made them part of the state. I think, historically, the people have found very good means for order without the need of local governments (in fact, in the first three cases, there really was no such thing.)

          • Matthew Louis

            Right. You erase the state and the process starts over. The evils of centralized power and redistribution will only be held in mind for long periods by higher IQ groups. The thing about eternal vigilance….it requires eternal adherence to abstract philosophical concepts. Not many people, on average, are up to the task. Factor in demagogues and human nature and a successful, large-scale, long-term stateless society is pretty far fetched.

          • Qari

            It may not last forever, but eternal vigilance also wouldn’t be an issue. Vigilance against foreign aggressors, certainly, but when we are told to be eternally vigilant, it is against the government. In a stateless society it would be much easier, since any man who says he can force people to pay him money will not have the legitimacy that the current government has when it says the same thing. If nothing else, I’d love to give it a whirl and see freedom really ring, since, I am pretty convinced, as long as government exists, it will not stop expanding.

    • rivahmitch

      As long as they themselves (as opposed to taxpayers) pay for it, that’s fine.

  • joe

    Now who’s being racist…….

  • dan

    There’s been so much in the news over the past few years about minority communities not having access to healthier restaurant and grocery options, and that it’s leading to obesity and other health problems in those communities. Here you’ve got a relatively low price health food store, who’s great to employees and hires heavily within their community, trying to go into a neighborhood like this, and they’re kept out. Talk about embarrassing.

  • GaryTruth

    Michael or Ben:

    Please tell us you’re not taking money for ads from SodaStream, built illegally on stolen Palestinian land?

    • Michael Lotfi

      If you’ll read our disclaimer it states that ads do not represent our views. Ads are handled by third party agencies such as Google.

      • GaryTruth

        Thank you. It must be extremely frustrating. Imagine if Google decided Monsanto ads would be good for a Ben Swann audience.

  • Poppa_T

    cut off nose-spite face

  • arthurg

    I can’t see how anyone is being displaced, when they were going to build on undeveloped land. No one should have any right to tell them what they should or shouldn’t do on their land as long as it meets the code and it’s not illegal. If anyone there wants to go into their own business, they can use the money that they made with TJs and save enough to open their own, like the Chinese do who were not even born here. Just come and take a good look at Flushing, NY. I never heard them complaining about things like this.

  • BeastyJ

    I find it odd that so many posts on this site, which purports to be a place to find stories/news/angles that the mainstream press doesn’t or will not cover rely on mainstream reporting, and so often badly misconstrue that reporting. In this particular case, the blog links to the AP, which cites The Oregonian, rather than The Oregonian itself, which is a strange way to go about linking and attribution. Anyone who takes the time to seek out The Oregonian coverage finds, as others commenting have tried to point out but are being shouted down by those who clearly have not read the stories beyond this blog post, that the issues at hand are much more nuanced than presented here and that, in fact, if anything this is an example of a part of the city that has often been marginalized and not allowed a voice actually being heard. But yet it’s presented as an example of so-called “reverse racism.” It’s not that at all though – not by a long shot.

    • Kerry Shannon

      reverse racism does not exist. Only racism exists and it very prevelent in Portland against Whites.

      • Anti ObamaHolder

        That is true yet they call whites racist when they themselves keep racism alive by how many act and how they live. Get real people you don’t want us to be racist stop being racist to white people.

  • Guest

    my problem with this article is Ben Swann (as the site is apt to do) missed a major point. according to the source article: “The Trader Joe’s grocery-store chain has dropped a plan to open a new store in the heart of the city’s historically African-American neighborhood after activists said the development would price black residents out of the area.”

    which it would. Trader Joe’s is one of those tell-tale signs that an area is about to become another soulless, cookie-cutter yuppie shithole.

    there is absolutely NO mention of: “the store would “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations.”

    in fact, I am quite familiar with the area and I have a friend that lives there. and it’s also a very bohemian / artist-oriented. plenty of mom and pop bars, great restaurants, shops, etc. oh, and Alberta has plenty of “white people”. but no cookie-cutter, big-box, strip-mall bullshit.

    as far as this goes: “The grocery chain is based out of California and regularly makes headlines for their revolutionary business model that brings discount health-foods and products to neighborhoods. Also, the chain is continuously praised as one of the highest paying grocers in the world.”

    yet, they, along with Home Depot CUT employees’ hours so that they can opt themselves out of Obamacare.

    trying to turn this into some “racial issue” is quite possibly one of the lowest and most contemptible excuses of “journalism” I’ve read in awhile

    • SlimWich

      From the article above: The Portland African American Leadership Forum, along with the Mayor Charlie Hales, sent letters to Portland Development Commission citing that they were “contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement of the African American community.” They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.

      Please. Tell us again how this is not a racial issue?

  • let them eat cake

    You just cant pound a square peg into a round hole.

  • Corey O’Brien

    my problem with this article is the author (as the site is apt to do) missed a major point. according to the source article: “The Trader Joe’s grocery-store chain has dropped a plan to open a new store in the heart of the city’s historically African-American neighborhood after activists said the development would price black residents out of the area.”

    which it would. Trader Joe’s is one of those tell-tale signs that an area is about to become another soulless, cookie-cutter yuppie shithole.

    there is absolutely NO mention of: “the store would “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations.”

    in fact, I am quite familiar with the area and I have a friend that lives there. and it’s also a very bohemian / artist-oriented. plenty of mom and pop bars, great restaurants, shops, etc. oh, and Alberta has plenty of “white people”. but no cookie-cutter, big-box, strip-mall bullshit. they don’t want them there. we don’t want them in my neighborhood here in Portland, either.

    as far as this goes: “The grocery chain is based out of California and regularly makes headlines for their revolutionary business model that brings discount health-foods and products to neighborhoods. Also, the chain is continuously praised as one of the highest paying grocers in the world.”

    yet, they, along with Home Depot CUT employees’ hours so that they can opt themselves out of Obamacare.

    trying to turn this into some “racial issue” is quite possibly one of the lowest and most contemptible excuses of “journalism” I’ve read in awhile

    • Qari

      Didn’t the black leadership turn it into one?

      • Corey O’Brien

        where in the source article does it mention anything like that?

        • Qari

          The AP article says it quite clearly. “It sent the city a letter saying it would “remain opposed to any development in N/NE Portland that does not primarily benefit the Black community.” It said the grocery-store development would “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations.”"

    • Johnbraavo

      Look how you cookie cut out the facts of the story… African American Leadership Forum, along with the Mayor Charlie Hales,
      sent letters to Portland Development Commission citing that they were
      “contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and
      displacement of the African American community.” They also said that
      they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t
      solely benefit African Americans. Trying to water down the race issue?

    • BeastyJ

      And the post in question also came in at the very end of what has been a long process, relying on a single AP summary sort of story, rather than linking to the original source of information, which bloggers/news sites aiming to build their reputations would consider to be a serious no-no. You link to the original sources, rather than taking some circuitous route, both as a way to point out the original source and not rip off its traffic but also for journalistic integrity, and to help your readers obtain more information.

      That single AP story, citing The Oregonian (in effect it was a “reportedly” story rather than original reporting), doesn’t at all convey anything approaching the breadth of issues and concerns that were in play with this situation.

      How does that make this site above the mainstream media fray that it supposedly stand in opposition to?

    • Jake77

      Trader Joes is probably the most “bohemian” grocery store chain there is. It’s a good company with good prices for it’s customers. It would provide good prices for the community and good jobs. Opposition to this is BS.
      You can’t single out Home Depot and Trader Joes as the only companies changing their personnel policy to deal with that absolute piece of crap legislation – Obamacare. All companies are effected and are acting accordingly.
      What is needed is to cut government spending. Start with Military and then concentrate on other government waste. By all means keep paying unemployment for ever and food stamps because after all isn’t that the way it’s supposed to be. Everyone should be relying on the government for their survival. No one should have a good job and rely on themselves because that’s evil and racist and mean spirited.

      • Ricotta

        Entitlements are more than twice defense spending in the Federal budget. Want to balance the budget? Start there.

        • DeAngela R Osborne

          Can you provide a link to that? I am finding that it is 59 billion for traditional welfare, about 92 billion for corporate welfare and roughly 680 billion for defense.

          • Ricotta

            http://nationalpriorities.org/media/uploads/publications/presidents_budget_fy2013/chart_3.jpg

            Most charts list entitlements as “mandatory spending”, but they’re 60% of the entire budget.

          • SHOTGUN285

            you are ignoring the other hidden costs. for the first time in US history the number of people on some form of public assistance has exceeded the number of people working. That’s just over 100 million people receiving some form of aid. So they not only cost the rest of the taxpayers money for the handouts they gorge themselves upon, but they do not work and contribute to the economy, nor do they pay any taxes to help support the government. Extending government benefits just deincentivizes people and is a further drag on the economy (and that applies to both individuals and corporate bailouts).

          • Dee Dee

            What are you talking about, who says people aren’t working in Portland Oregon are you even serious? Nobody in Portland Oregon has a job? You are aware it is actually a pretty thriving community, no? They actually have grocery stores, shops, restaurants, all kinds of stuff, lol. You people act like this Trader Joe’s was gonna employ this whole town, that is just so ignorant. IT’S JUST A TRADER JOE’S PEOPLE, it’s one corner lot. So this community didn’t want a Trader Joe’s and yet my life still went on today.

    • HOLYMASSOFHUMANITYBATMAN

      How dare you try to sell non-GMO food in a minority neighborhood! The THOUGHT!

    • Michael Lotfi

      You clearly must have missed the quotations.

  • RG

    If you lived in the blackest major city in America, where your white
    peers are continually and consistently pressed out of your last
    surviving community, I doubt you’d want more black businesses moving in
    and causing your numbers to diminish further. But I also doubt any of
    you can imagine living as a minority in the most concentrated black
    major city in the US either.

    • guest

      I know right? We wouldn’t want any more of those scary white people around, buying their kale all menacingly and paying a decent wage. I say good riddance!

    • Realist

      What are you talking about? Did you not read the article? The land was undeveloped for years. The project was promised to a black construction company. They were going to create 10 retail locations of which only 1 would Traders Joe’s. They would have all likely hired from the workers available (black). This is a perfect example of how and why black people are held back in America: dishonest leadership of all colors and creeds.

      • Lenny

        Sounds like you are suggesting that black ppl should take a pay-off so they can be snuffed out. Hmmm, I wounder why they didn’t go for that. For anyone who has lived in Portland since the 80′s or so, they know that the NE Alberta area looked much different than it does today, and maybe ppl are tired of seeing blacks systematically removed through scenarios just like this one. We’ve watched black neighborhoods turn into trendy-ass, white, hippy-hangouts, and this is exactly how it happens. We’re tired of it.

        • Ammo

          This is an extremely bigoted statement.

        • HOLYMASSOFHUMANITYBATMAN

          This is what happens when you define yourself by your skin color.

        • Realist

          You are not only a racist. People like you are destroying the future of black Americans. I hope that every black person in America ignores your disgusting bigoted comments, starts a business or gets a job, buys a gun and some property and becomes a libertarian.

        • Johnbraavo

          Right,because you have so much more to offer lol

        • Guest

          but you’re not tired of living off welfare and ebt are ya?

  • Guest

    Stupid People. Great Stores and products at good prices.

    • Jake77

      Good jobs too with happy employees. Heaven forbid Trader Joes would come to this Black neighborhood and provide jobs – how dare they – those racist, yuppie, white bastards.

  • Bob Pegram

    Side issue: Market value of a property is what somebody will pay for it. Since the property sat vacant for 9 years, the asking price was too high.
    More jobs – high paying ones – better quality food – who would want that? These Black leaders’ racism is destroying their Black neighbors. So much for loving their neighbors as Jesus said we should do.

    • Realist

      That means that the property owned by black people would increase in value. Wow! What a concept!

  • Jake77

    Trader Joes is a great store with good products and happy employees. Taking into consideration that there is limited data in this article on the “big picture” it is difficult to think anything other than these Black leaders are racist and extremely stupid. They are actually advocating that they don’t want whites moving into their neighborhood. “there goes the neighborhood” Well sounds fair to me if in the future that any black (personally I don’t care about skin color) who advocates this viewpoint is fair game for any white, Hispanic or Asian community to say they don’t want blacks to move there. Besides the biggest impact of the store is that whites would drive there to shop and provide money to the community and jobs. For hundreds of hears whites made it illegal to teach blacks to read – they wanted them ignorant. Apparently that went on so long that “stupidity” is no longer necessary to legislate. School is available but you can’t force someone to think with true information – especially when they are racist like these black leaders.

  • Anti ObamaHolder

    And they call white people racists, this is just plain wrong. If a white group had done this they would be in so much trouble that good lawyers would not be able to help them. This is reverse racism and yet they wonder why there is so much hate still left in the world when these foolish morons pull this kind of crap. Try that with my business and I will show you how much a man I am.

    • Ted John Noga

      It isn’t reverse racism it is direct racism

  • http://greenwoodautos.com greencarguy

    Talk about racism? How about common sense. Great business, brings employment and quality low priced food, what more could you want?

    • cuchieddie

      The problem with these yard monkeys is they have a deficient gene hence their love for murder and rape.

  • Smee

    Can you say RACISTS?

  • Michael James

    Is this the same leadership forum responsible for the non-gentrification and preservation of the african american community in Detroit?

  • JK474

    Remember that these black activists are the same people who complain about “food deserts” in black neighborhoods.

    • DeAngela R Osborne

      Not on this one, that was what those doing the crony deal were saying, here is the actual letter with PAALF stating the exact opposite of what you just said.

      http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/929379/paalf-letter-regarding-trader-joes.pdf

      • Michael Lotfi

        There was more than one letter. Denoted by the word “letters”. The plural form of letter.

        • DeAngela R Osborne

          Oh I apologize I did not see where you guys posted links to any “letters”, is there a letter from the mayor specifically that I missed?

        • Dee Dee

          Just saw on your Facebook page, The Liberty Paper, that you stated,

          According to activists and the black mayor, too many white people would come…

          You are aware that Charlie Hales, the Mayor, is white, no? Impressive journalism, lol.

        • Dee

          You’re such a liar. You are a joke and people like you have destroyed the Republican party I will NEVER vote that way again after voting that way 20 years. I would never be associated with knuckle draggers such as yourself. Now you idiots are infiltrating the Libertarian movement and are destroying any progress made there.

          Reading through this thread I honestly can’t wait for our country to be rid of hateful narrow minded people such as those making the nasty comments, my grandchildren will know a better tomorrow. I would bet most would call themselves republicans, it’s this exact reason I will have nothing to do with that party anymore after having voted that way 20 years, it embarrasses those republicans that can actually put a thought together on their own. Looking at the census for this area it is almost entirely white and still most reacted to Lotfi’s “predominately black neighborhood” bull**** without a second thought so he can get himself some website hits.

          Regarding minority populations in this area the community is only at around 6% black (if that) after historically being a black community as the result of the gentrification that has occurred in the area. They have a white democratic mayor that this predominately white community voted in, (Micheal Lotfi thinks he’s black lol, smart guy), the biggest issue here appears to be that many want a Trader Joe’s within walking distance, there is one about 4 miles from this spot. There is also a Whole Foods 3 miles from here, there are 3 New Season’s Markets within 2-4 miles from here, Cherry Sprout Produce is about a mile from here, there is a Fred Meyer 1.5 miles from here, a Wal-Mart Super Center 3 miles from here, Alberta Cooperative Grocery is less than 1 mile from here and there is a Safeway on this same road; this is hardly the “food desert” the article would have you believe.

          Looking at people screaming stuff like this below which is in the thread makes me realize just how dense people really are, I’d say it’s sad but really it is just a plague upon our society:

          “Wait…..WHAT??? They turned DOWN a company that would bring JOBS and PROSPERITY to their community because they were afraid it would bring white people to their neighborhood????”

          Lol, this town is thriving with lots of white liberals and lots of yuppie cookie cutter shops that they can get jobs at contrary to the tone of the article that everybody is living in mud huts and Trader Joe’s was going to swoop in and save everybody so i’m not sure why people are screaming for them to leave this community “oppressed”. Don’t hang on every cheap sensationalized headline and straight up lies in the body of an article intended to get some website hits, it’s sad.

          I keep seeing people say, what if the roles were reversed and yet of course they were reversed, for quite some time and nobody said a word. How can anyone think they weren’t reversed when it went from being 80% black to 6% black? So some in the community may not want a Trader Joe’s on this lot, it’s just not that big of a deal in that they may want a black owned business there (there are a crap ton of cute little cookie cutter white owned shops now) and/or don’t think that this multi-billion dollar corporation should get a 2.4 million dollar subsidy. The idea was actually supported if the subsidy was removed and affordable housing be part of the deal. None of this seems unreasonable to me but even with that being said, the black community members were for the Trader Joe’s by a large margin and yet people still find it perfectly acceptable to attack complete strangers for no reason whatsoever based upon some halfassed article that lacks an ounce of integrity. The only people to blame here are the handful of members of PAALF who acted hastily and dumb even if they thought it was with good intentions, it by no means gives reason to attack this entire community.

          And with the affordable housing part being said (because I know people will jump all over that), don’t think for a minute that white people in this area would not have benefited from that deal as well. In this predominately white liberal community roughly 140,000 people (and that number keeps on climbing) are on government assistance that you people are always freaking out about and yet only around 36,000 black people live here (600,000 people total) but still all of the knuckle draggers in this thread are screaming about black people that make up less than 10% of this population.

          I saw people screaming that the democratic mayor likes to “keep the people down to keep getting votes”. Keep who down? Whitey? Lol. Remember it’s a predominately white community that voted in their white liberal mayor, it’s actually cited as being one of “the whitest major cities in the country”.

          This article would also have you believe that this mayor was against this Trader Joe’s project (gotta keep that 2 party divide going) and yet he was 100% for it. 100%. Duh, PDC answers directly to the Mayor and PDC made the deal. In fact, Lotfi references a letter supposedly written by the mayor and the letter (not linked coincidentally) is not from the mayor, it is the letter that Portland Development Commission, the very people that made the deal with Majestic Realty and Trader Joe’s in the first place, wrote back in response to PAALF’s letter referenced in this article. Coincidentally that letter is not linked either just pieces cut out and used for reaction, the real letter actually makes good points. It’s interesting that he would bring up that letter because in it they (PDC) admit and acknowledge that they have in fact “contributed to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement on the African American community” with past projects. And the mayor signed off on it that yes they have, they have in fact been responsible for projects in the past directly contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement on the African American community. Lotfi copied and pasted some stuff, added a few spin words for reaction and completely left out that it was a letter from PDC on PDC letterhead back to PAALF that the mayor signed off on, I guess he thinks that those that follow Ben Swann are too dumb to look any further than this halfassed article. The spin that Lotfi put on this in the article is where it reads

          “The Portland African American Leadership Forum, along with the Mayor Charlie Hales, sent letters to Portland Development Commission citing that they were “contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement of the African American community.”

          That’s a bold faced lie, just some copy and paste bullshit and play on words. Here’s the letter to see for yourself, there is no such letter from the mayor as referenced in this article, just this letter which is from PDC signed off on by the mayor and in it they admit the very thing that PAALF is claiming has occurred in this community.
          http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1004532/pdc-response-to-paalf.pdf

          He also leaves out that several local area grocers wrote to PDC and spoke out against this project as well but that was not what this article was about, the only intention of this article is to keep those racial fires fueled based upon half truths and omissions, it’s so he can get some website hits with sensationalized bullshit. There is not an ounce of integrity in this article.
          http://www.kgw.com/news/Portland-grocers-fear-they-could-be-squashed-by-new-Trader-Joes–232915301.html

          Black people in this community have seen disproportionately little of the benefit of the urban renewal efforts in their historic neighborhood in Portland and as a result they have largely been priced out of their historic homes in Portland, and that’s a fact. Read more here.
          http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/us/29portland.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

          And here (although I highly doubt many of you will)
          http://www.doj.state.or.us/victims/pdf/the_state_of_black_oregon.pdf

          So at the very end of the day all of you people are freaking out about mostly entitled white people not getting a Trader Joe’s within walking distance in their predominately white liberal yuppie community. (slow clap)

      • Realist

        The reasons given for the “displacement of the black community” are so convoluted that they hardly stand the test of reason. It is as if you are saying black people don’t like healthy food and that if the community gets any better and healthier, you might see rich people move in. The problem here is that either you make it easy for the young people in the neighborhood to get a job, or you leave the area the way it is and prevent the people who invested in it to get a return. How does that help the situation of black poverty in the US?

        • DeAngela R Osborne

          That is not what I am saying at all, my point is that I do not think that we should call an entire community racist when a large portion feels the same way those that are calling them racist feel, many were in support of the project, yet most in the thread are. That’s just ignorant to me.

          • Johnbraavo

            Who was in support of this project from the black community?

          • Dee Dee

            I’m not sure how I missed this question, but who gives a **ck, it is not your place or mine to determine whether or not this already thriving community needs a Trader Joe’s in their neighborhood, and if not one damn person supported it, what the **ck does that have to do with you? You people act like this Trader Joe’s was going to employ this whole damn town, IT’S A THRIVING COMMUNITY THAT DIDN’T WANT A TRADER JOE’S. Do you not realize how nutty everybody is being about this? Read your question, it’s crazy! How about I come to your neighborhood and put in something your community don’t want and then attack you for it when you reject it. If you stop attacking for a minute based upon this ridiculous twaddle that was written for that exact reaction and think about it logically, I actually think that you would see how ridiculous everybody is being.

      • Johnbraavo

        lol What a bull…t letter to the mayor. This group( Portland African American Leadership) Is nothing more than a ant-development ant-capitalist organization hell bent on stopping any positive growth for the community. Sounds like they have a beef against the Roski family “one of the richest family’s in the country” and this has me laughing my ass off “mandates no affordable housing” So now TJ has to build housing? And who the hell are the “oppressed populations” did they mean the black population? This letter you keep spamming is some funny reading.

        • DeAngela R Osborne

          Not spamming, I can actually agree with a lot of that, so why are most in the thread attacking this entire community based on those 20 people? Many in the community feel just like you do so why generalize and call all of them racist and not just the handful of people that wrote the letter.

          • Johnbraavo

            More spamming about blaming the community? Yes I do blame the community for voting these people into power,just like I blame myself for the elected we have in office in this country. Because I didn’t do enough to get the word out to others to change the direction that we are heading. I do place blame on the population that allows this to continue. So if these 20 people had so much influence why is there not a counter letter from lets say 30 people voicing there approval to TJ?

          • DeAngela R Osborne

            Well that makes no sense, so if I disagree with Obamacare, which I do, I can call you a dumbass for that even though you didn’t vote for Obama? I can attack you for that? That’s not very rational.

          • Johnbraavo

            Ok I’ll try a again,writing is not my strong suit. The fault lies with you and me and the rest of our citizens for Obama’s heath care because we have(you and I)rights that allow us to voice our opinions we have the constitutional right to stand on the soap box and walk door to door spreading information about our elected and up and coming laws and by not doing so we are to be held accountable for what happens in our city’s, towns, county’s and this nation. So if the community in Portland really wanted to have a TJ in their town they should have spoke up.

          • DeAngela R Osborne

            Okay, fine, they’re held accountable that the capital crony deal didn’t work out and they didn’t get their Trader Joes, I can dig that. But are you saying that because they were not vocal enough in their support, and/or even those that didn’t support it for what I find to be valid reasons by some as well, that they should all be called racists? And that’s me being subtle some of the stuff on here is just classless filth. You condone it because they weren’t strong political advocates? I get that you think that they should have been more vocal, those that supported it, that’s great and they didn’t get their Trader Joes, but you’re cool with calling the entire community racist, lazy, unappreciative and cool with some of the other garbage being spewed on this thread about complete strangers based on just that? THAT is precisely what all of the very people that you despise want you to do, they want you to attack this community like that and you did, an entire community for these 20 activists. Actually, here we are again attacking an entire race for these 20 activists, not just a community. Not good.

          • Johnbraavo

            Did one person speak up in favor of TJ in this black community ? Or did these 20 get there way? And I think we saw a whole population get blamed in the Nuremberg trailers in ww2 didn’t we? I guess maybe you are right we shouldn’t blame the population that refuses to get involved in their politics,or open their eyes to what people are doing to impact the lives of all of us. But I happen to think different. And calling the people racist doesn’t have much of an impact anymore.. I get your point though, and blaming everybody is a little harsh. Race is always a spirited subject.

          • DeAngela R Osborne

            Many were for, many were against but let me ask you this. Why are you so offended that some did not want a Trader Joes? There are grocery stores there, this is a thriving community. Many people may think that Trader Joes is a lovely store but wouldn’t consider it a grocery store, neither do I. Many people might think (and many did) that the a Trader Joe’s wasn’t worth and/or shouldn’t get a 2 million dollar subsidy as a multi-billion dollar corporation, maybe some in the community felt that the money could have been spent another way, maybe some just wanted a different grocery store, who knows, you don’t, I don’t, but how is none of that being politically active in their community? It’s a ridiculous reason for people to be so angry and hateful, but it’s by design, like feeding candy to a baby.

  • Kurt P

    “Hey – did you hear?…they’re talkin’ about putting a Trader Joes down on the corner.”
    “Yep. There goes the neighborhood.”
    Geniuses.

  • John Galt

    Trader Joes isn’t “Unionized”. More Union Thug pay for play by Commie Union leaders.

    • RedEyeJedi

      They don’t need to unionize, because they treat and pay their employees well, unlike a place like Walmart.

  • Ryan
  • Realist

    Face it liberals: You would really hate to see a black person running a Trader Joe’s or the laundry-mat next door built by a black owned construction company. Probably because Trader Joe’s cannot afford Obama-care or some other convoluted bit of leftist race reasoning that has dug a hole for black people so deep that no one can even imagine them climbing out of without an Obama-rope. Just admit you hate black people or any other self-actualized peasant that dare question their government and start a business. “Tax them to death, so that the others won’t get any ideas!”

    • the truth

      You are ignorant to think white people aren’t facing the same problems. I hope you choke on your dinner tonight. Along with anyone else who wants to complain about being oppressed. Everyone in America is struggling. Hardship is colorless you ignorant piece of shit

      • Fuming

        I am going to quote myself, “or any other self-actualized peasant that dare question their government and start a business.” That is where I acknowledged the plight of whites among others. And don’t wish death on me you butt-sucker.

  • bobcchicago

    I think they should put in a carryout liquor store there.

    • Jake77

      Maybe a “Gun’s & Liquor Store” so it will fully fit into the racist viewpoint.

      • bobcchicago

        No, I think a liquor store is sufficient.

      • Ricotta

        Felons can’t buy guns from stores. They have to get them in face to face transactions.

  • Ricotta

    Can someone explain to me why we’re letting niggers vote?

    • RedEyeJedi

      You just gave one.

    • Tom223

      They have the same right to vote as you, me or any legal citizen. This whole “us and them” mess is a result of 50 years of politicians pretending to be the friend of Blacks and yet passing laws that will forever keep Blacks down and dependent on the politicians and the government. The color of a person’s skin does not determine whether or not they are an enemy. It is their behavior that determines that. Politicians have gained way too much political power that they don’t want to give up by stopping their constant rhetoric about racism.

      • Ricotta

        They may legally have the right to vote, but they shouldn’t.

        We don’t let children vote because they’re not mature or rational enough to make intelligent decisions. Why should negros get a pass?

        • http://dailystormer.com/ Angry-Young-White

          Because, because, MUH JUSTICE AND MUH EQUALITY!

  • cuchieddie

    Send the afrikans back to where they came from and I don’t mean Detroit.

    • RedEyeJedi

      As long you as you get off MY LAND, and go back to Europe with the rest of the Nazi’s

      • Vunderlak

        Your people were a warrior race, had been since the last Ice age. Do not cry your crocodile tears just because you lost. Do you cry for the other tribes that you slaughtered?

        • RedEyeJedi

          Learn about us, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw, instead of generalizing.

          • Johnbraavo

            Why should people learn about the Asian that had the numbers to wipe out the settlers, but couldn’t get over there hate for other tribes to over come the new threat?

          • RedEyeJedi

            I’m a bit confused by two things
            1. What “Asians” are you talking about?
            2. Is English your second language?

          • Johnbraavo

            Native Americans (Asians) and no English is all I have lol and I am not very good at it. Talk about Nazi’s, grammar Nazi. So now because I am not very good at writing I should shut up right? And tell us what tribe are you apart of Chief?

          • RedEyeJedi

            Still don’t understand anything you are saying, so it is pretty difficult to respond.

          • Johnbraavo

            Know wonder your people got wiped out.

          • RedEyeJedi

            Because I don’t speak Illiterate?

          • Johnbraavo

            So you do understand me. Lie much chief?

          • RedEyeJedi

            Well, that was the first time you wrote anything that was in English
            This being the second.

          • Johnbraavo

            You’re nothing more than a filthy liar,you understand what I wrote but you played the grammar Nazi card,just like some filthy liberal playing the race card..So piss off chief, and remember who took your land and I hope you lose sleep knowing you will never get it back…

          • RedEyeJedi

            No, you just aren’t making any sense.
            I will try to understand your point, if you make one. So please, calm down a second, and slowly type out what you are trying to explain to me
            Also, not being able to further explain your point means one of two things
            1. You don’t get the point your trying to make
            2. You don’t have a point to make

          • Johnbraavo

            “Calm down” hmm, telling me what to do,lying out your ass..Is this you Obama?

          • RedEyeJedi

            So you have no point to make, your just attempting to be a troll

          • Johnbraavo

            You’re not truthful enough to have a conversation, with so piss off chief.

          • Johnbraavo

            So what tribe are you from chief?

          • Ricotta

            Redskins immigrated to North America from Asia during the last ice age.

          • RedEyeJedi

            That’s the Theory. Emphasis on Theory
            And that is what I figured he was talking about, but I still don’t get the point it is attempting to make, if there is one to make.

          • http://dailystormer.com/ Angry-Young-White

            You obviously don’t know what the word theory means.

          • RedEyeJedi

            In what way?

          • RedEyeJedi

            “A theory provides an explanatory framework for some observation, and from the assumptions of the explanation follows a number of possible hypotheses that can be tested in order to provide support for, or challenge, the theory.”

          • http://dailystormer.com/ Angry-Young-White

            LOL You can use Google. Congrats.

          • RedEyeJedi

            Just letting You know part of what it means.

      • Johnbraavo

        lol How many tribes did your tribe slaughter? And the European was here before you Asians.

    • Ricotta

      Lincoln should have gone through with that plan instead of illegally occupying Fort Sumter.

    • Realist

      Troll. Probably a robot just like Ricotta below.

  • ra44mr2

    Come on. This cant be real. People cant possibly be THAT dumb right? “we dont want our neighborhood to get better” Really?

    • Ricotta

      Is this your first time reading about the self destructive nature of American negro? Where do you live where you’ve never seen this kind of behavior before?

      • Steve

        Well I guess I have heard of it, but did not want to believe it. I know Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would go broke if they were not somehow involved with the “self destructive nature of the American negro”. Dr. Martin Luther King is crying in his grave, while people like Jessie and Al are raking in the big money.

      • ra44mr2

        Im aware but this is a bit…excessive? Ridiculous? BLATANT? I mean come on this is something you would think a white racist would make up. And they did it to themselves. ITs like a bad racist joke.

        • Ricotta

          Stereotypes exist because they’re true.

  • I think your dumb

    Hmmmm…. Seems like there are quite a few McDonald’s, KFC’s, Walmarts, Carl’s Jr’s and Targets near the NE corridor. Yeah, the Development Commission is really exaggerating about that “food desert” claim. In fact the only Jack in the Box I can find in Portland is on Martin Luther King Blvd. The irony…. Supersize me.

  • Bdawg

    So how is it okay for blacks not to want whites but not the other away around

  • 1704212

    Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    • lamesingram

      better get a big knife for that nose

      • 1704212

        That’s the best you could come up with toady?

        • Ricotta

          What was that? I couldn’t hear you over the sound of the oven heating up.

          • 1704212

            What oven is that toad?

          • Ricotta

            The one with your name on it.

          • 1704212

            So Toad just what is it you’re trying to say?

          • http://dailystormer.com/ Angry-Young-White

            Ha!

  • rhondajo3

    No matter how you look at it, it is racial discrimination…

  • gentri-fcked-nation

    To these angry black people: Why not try assimilation? Do we have to “axe” nicely?

  • justaman

    I guess they feel there wouldn’t be much stuff stocked at the store they’d want to steal.

  • Joe

    You misspelled activists.

  • Madam Vonkook

    The world seems to be getting more and more absurd!This is a clear case of racial discrimination.They might as well start putting blacks only signs up..racial discrimination is fundamentally wrong regardless of whether it is whites against black people Black people against white people.I grew up in a black community in the south and I can tell you black communities need a grocery store like trader joes where they have more fresh food options at a reasonable price as opposed to Winn Dixie ,FoodGiant or Kroger who have limited gmo foods and pay their workers 3 dollars less an hour…and even less to part time workers

  • Joel

    This is one of the most ridiculous and blatantly racist things I have read. Is it 2014 or 1962?

    • Steve

      Something this stupid would not have happen in 1962. Especially in Portland Oregon.

      • Joel

        I was thinking more along the lines of segregation with the 1962 reference.

        • Steve

          I understand. My point is that back in 1962 there was no segregation in the Pacific Northwest. My very first experience with segregation in the Northwest, that I can remember, was in 1969. That was when the schools started the busing between schools. And that only lasted for less then a year.

  • TM

    Can’t qualify for that gubbamint cheeze if you have legitimate work opportunities. Best to chase out the interlopers, and remain on the couch waiting for your fair share of what others have earned.

  • Jake77

    Great illustration of the desire for “racism” to persist. As long as there is “racism” blacks can continue to justify failure as a culture. The majority of blacks are killed by other blacks and in the twisted minds of the race-baiters like Sharpton it is because of white people. Until any culture decides that it and it’s members are responsible for their own survival and success in life they will always be political pawns. The Democrat party throws out some bs lines each election cycle about white racism, Republican racism and that’s all she wrote. They get the votes without actually doing anything for the black community. Blacks need better schools and a hand up not a handout – but the Democrat party has spent the past 50 years keeping them poor and dependent on the government. They push this lie of “only we care about you and we are looking out for your best interest” but what they don’t ever let be known is that the last thing they want is to have strong and independent black community who can stand on it

    • jake77

      It’s own two feet.

  • Sue Hanson

    This project would bring income into the black community, as well as reliable and nutritious food and jobs for many people from the same community. Those who oppose it are sabotaging their own people. Do they really think that joblessness and below par food are inheritently black territory to be preserved?? what is the matter with these people??

  • doc

    Now, THAT’S racism…… imagine the hatred, outrage and headlines in liberal media if this was something a predominantly white community asked for

    • Sue Hanson

      True. But what is truly mindblowing is that they are so intent on keeping white people out that they are willing to sacrifice steady income to black business people and jobs to people in the neighborhood, in order to accomplish black exclusivity!! Completely insane!

      • Tom223

        I wrestled with this very question. At first it would appear to be of benefit to have whites move into the neighborhood – if one were a home owner. However, if everyone rents or is on assistance and outside money comes into the community raising the value of real estate, as renters, they could be forced to move as property owners could charge higher rents. Unfortunately it comes down to viewpoint. Does a culture see opportunity or does it see how to be a victim.

        • Sue Hanson

          Would you move into an entirely black neghborhood just because they had a Trader Joe’s?? There are Trader Joe’s all over town. I don’t think that is the issue.

          • doc

            Agreed, Sue… the issue is the plain discriminatory (racist) language used by the “oppressed” residents of the area that want to keep whitey’s out….. since they refer to whites as “non-oppressed” people, it seems logical to think they see themselves as still oppressed… regardless, they are totally racist.

          • Sue Hanson

            Keep in mind that this, so far, has nothing to do with what the residents of the area want. This is only between a black construction company and a few black activists/politicians. I’d like to hear what the residents have to say.

          • Tom223

            I agree. I was looking for a more rational reason for the objection to a new TJ’s than just racism. Just because some people have a fear doesn’t make it true. Non the less, if they have the fear they will still act on it. I just think there is more to the story than only the racism point.

          • Tom223

            I get it. You get it. But I don’t believe they get it, they’ve said as much. This wouldn’t be the first time in history a group of people acted based on an irrational perception. Sometimes these articles are way too limited by the author. They often leave out important aspects.
            On the surface the comments by the black leaders sound quite racist.

    • Ricotta

      I wish we could just throw a fit and start a petition and force the negros to stay out of nice areas.

  • Jb Davis

    absolute proof that not all who are in “political powerful” positions of authority have the sensibility to use that position to better those it has influence over. in short proof there are idiots in high places and also proof that discrimination is not always against the blacks.. if i had law degree i would teach these idiots within the law by suit.

    • Tom223

      This sort of idiocy exist at the local level and all the way up to the federal government. That’s the greatest argument for limiting the power of government.

  • Tom223

    Here come the white people – oh my. It figures this article would get a lot of blog activity. Probably most white people in America are getting pretty sick of being called racist and blamed for the failure of blacks when they are neither racist nor the cause of the degraded state of affairs in the black community.

    • Sue Hanson

      You can’t force them to have a Trader Joes in the neighborhood, and TJ wouldn’t be okay with that either. but why are these black people opposed to black people having jobs, business income and good food right there in the neighborhood?

      • Tom23

        It would also create opportunity for local entrepreneurs who have businesses or want to go into business since there will be opportunity to setup shop near Trader Joe’s – which will draw consumers from the neighborhood an beyond.

    • Steve

      You are 100% correct. The blame goes to the Jessie Jackson’s and the Al Sharpton’s. They have gotten sinfully rich off of the backs of the Black people.

  • Slydog34

    They would have to bus people in from outside to work there!

    • Sue Hanson

      Why? I hope that is a sarcastic statement. It’s perfect! Jobs for local people and money for local business. Who said the employees would be white?

      • Slydog34

        Yes, it was sarcasm and yes, it would be perfect. But only if the people in that neighborhood want to be self reliant and actually want the jobs. Doesn’t pay nearly as well as gubment assistance.

      • Whiteguy88

        Well, they want them to work don’t they…

  • greg

    now if I were a Black business owner and wanting to open a store in an affluent, predominate white neighbor and they went to the city counsel and said that it would attract to many blacks, who do you think they would call, you bet Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be all over this. This is the biggest form of reverse racism that you can have, it happens both ways but only action is served for the minority population, stop the racism and discrimination both ways.

    • Steve

      As long as we have the Jesse Jackson’s and the Al Sharpton’s this problem will never go away. It is to bad that the Black’s don’t understand this. If the Blacks really understood what Martin Luther King was all about, they would tar and feather Jesse and Al.

      • Jake77

        Martin Luther King Jr. is probably one of the most incorrectly understood leaders in history. These days, many blacks want to be identified by skin color rather than just another American. MLK wanted people to be judged by their character rather than by the color of their skin.

        • justin

          Is that why he was unfaithful to his wife?

          • Jake77

            So what’s your point. “he was wrong”, “people should be judged by the color of their skin?”
            Got any other irrelevant data?

          • justin

            I love how your putting quotes around words that your suggesting I believe. If you keep this up you won’t need anyone to have a discussion with, you can just “air quote” their response.

            My point is that it’s crazy that someone could preach that people should be judged by the quality of their character while cheating on your wife after having plagiarized your doctoral dissertation. Not incredibly consistent.

          • Steve

            And you know this how?

          • justin

            Look it up. The FBI surveilled the affair and threatened him with it. He also plagiarized a good bit of his doctoral paper. I’m just suggesting that MLK was right, we should judge people by the quality of their character.

          • Steve

            Not trying to argue, just wanting to know where you got your info. I was a teenager when MLK was shot and I remember the FBI, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, and Walter Kronkite telling us that he had strong ties with the communist party.

          • justin

            Dr. Abernathy’s 1989 biography. Also, David Garrow’s biography. Certainly won’t be mentioned in the mainstream media, but it’s all over the place if you care to find it.

          • Steve

            Thank you.

    • Tom223

      If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. Doesn’t matter who is dong it to whom.

    • sbozich

      There is no such thing as “reverse racism”. Racism is racism.

  • Zarathustra

    They will just build another liquor store or fried chicken joint in the space instead. Exactly what the community needs.

  • FatGunMan

    that’s GOT to be racist!! Can you imagine if that was said about attracting black people. WOW!

  • Raejean

    I’d call this cutting your own nose off to spite your face. Otherwise, it’s just as much a civil rights violation as any other, to block white-owned or white-patronized businesses from opening in black neighborhoods.

  • SoBro

    The sad part is the people that live in this neighborhood probably don’t even know what the “activists” are doing on their behalf.

    • Johnbraavo

      Hitting the nail on the head. That statement you made could be applied to about 90% of this country.

    • Sue Hanson

      Yes, I saw that, too. I hope that this news will get out into the neghborhood so the people there can make the decision for themselves. These moronic activists seem to think that to be truly a black neighborhood it has to be backward and unemployed.

  • simplulo

    I am black, and I am an activist, and I would kill to have a Trader Joe’s here in Berlin.

    • Johnbraavo

      How long have you been black? lol Just kidding. So here we have a proclaimed black activist that see’s the capability of capitalism as being a tool to help his people(black) end the blight of the of the black man. You know you go against about 95% of the black activist groups.

      • simplulo

        I am a hardcore libertarian activist, so yeah, I “see the capability of capitalism.” I also see the negative effects of Drug Prohibition, welfare, and public schools. Those are the sources of the black man’s plight, shackling black men, women, and children respectively. I suggest you consider the role of the largely white drug prohibitionists and teachers’ unions.

        • Johnbraavo

          And don’t forget crony capitalism, and the destructive policy’s on the family..Are teacher unions mostly white? And I agree with you on the drug war nothing pisses me off more then folks thinking they have the right to legislate free will. Limitless welfare and corrupt media doesn’t help..Libertarian activist? like a Ron Paul type?

          • simplulo

            Most libertarians like Ron Paul, and so do I, but my libertarian philosophy crystallized many years before I ever heard of him, largely thanks to Cato. I am one of the original organizers of the Free State Project, and I organize translations of the Philosophy of Liberty animation: http://JonathanGullible.com

          • simplulo

            BTW, Ben Swann will be speaking at the Free State Project’s Liberty Forum, 20-23 February: http://nhlibertyforum.com

        • Sue Hanson

          The idea that there would be some kind of whitey infiltration just because there’s a TJs is nuts. There are Trader Joe’s stores all over the Portland area. No reason why these folks shouldn’t have their own where it’s handy to get to.

          • simplulo

            Blacks also shop at Trader Joe’s. I wonder what percentage of the local blacks wanted a TJ’s? Probably just a noisy few were allowed to speak for the rest. I hate it when whites don’t allow blacks to be diverse, but I hate it worse when blacks do it to themselves.

        • Tom223

          Three great areas to address. I wonder if there would be any change in the action of the teachers’ unions were they predominantly black or Hispanic for that manner. It is a self serving entity that doesn’t give a rat’s back side about the kids. I don’t think any particular race in Washington has a monopoly on promoting the welfare state. Whites and Blacks there are equally zealous about it.

          • simplulo

            I find that blacks disproportionately favor school choice. I find that blacks support welfare and Drug Prohibition the same as whites, rather like so many Latin Americans support the Drug War there. It’s the primitive Draconian instinct.

        • BambiB

          Jeez, don’t stop there. Almost EVERYTHING about government sucks. Government takes too much in taxes, enacts asinine laws, enforces those laws with a disproportionately heavy hand. It rapes the poor and working classes to make the rich even richer. It’s peddles and panders its power to those with enough money to buy elections and it works to keep people ignorant of its true methods of operation.

          When I think of all the good that government has done in the past 50 years or so, I think of maintaining interstate highways and… and… and… someone help me out here.

          • simplulo

            Germany does great highways; the US gets cool exploding hardware–the world’s best weapons–and opportunities to put it on display. And don’t forget that $100B space station flying over your head, where people with the right stuff do lots of cool stuff. But seriously, while such squandering of tax dollars weakens us, it doesn’t have the corrosive effect on society as the the three shackles that I listed above.

  • Tannim

    So what we have here is a community group opposed to bringing in local, cheap, high quality groceries and good-paying jobs to the area, based on some ridiculous idea of reverse racism (reverse meaning black vs. others, not the other way around). So much for improving the local people’s lot in life, I guess.

    Maybe Trader Joe’s will transfer their resources from Portland, who doesn’t want them, to Colorado Springs, who is clamoring for one!

    • me

      “Reverse racism” would be treating all people the same, meaning no discrimination at all. The kind of behavior described in the article is called racism.

      • Tannim

        Wrong. You describe equality, not racism. I explained the term rather clearly above.

        • CantStandStupidPeople

          Your “definition” of reverse racism is asinine. Racism isn’t about being solely anti-black. All races can be a victim of racism. YOU are wrong Tannim.

          • Dusty

            You’re on the internet. Why don’t you go look up “reverse racism” before you make a fool of your self. The name you chose only makes you that much more ridiculous.

          • Tannim

            Go reread what I wrote and get back to us when you understand it.

        • Space Ape

          I believe you are reverse correct!

          • Tannim

            You would be wrong. Read what I wrote.

      • Larry

        Tannim is correct. Reverse racism is defined as racism perpetrated against the dominant racial group an a society

    • Sue Hanson

      This is not blacks against some other label, it’s blacks refusing to take care of their own with improved shopping and jobs in their own neghborhood. It’s blacks holding down blacks. Disgusting. In my opinion, it’s worse than racism.

      • Tannim

        Yet in doing the latter, they do the former.

    • Sue Hanson

      There are TJ stores all over the Portland area. This one would just be handy for them to get to.

      • Tannim

        Either way, my point stands.

  • crankyoldone

    Whoa ! That is soo racist ….Dude !

  • Liberty or Death

    Progressives don’t care which way they play the race card as long as it forwards their agenda. In their minds The End Justifies The Means”. This also shows that they also don’t give a damn about their “communities”. Time for people to start leaving Portland??

  • http://globalpoliticalawakening.blogspot.com Global Political Awakening

    Why did you choose to leave out the following information from the source article? “activists said the development would price black residents out of the area…Critics said the development would displace residents and perpetuate income inequality in one of the most rapidly gentrifying ZIP codes in the nation…The Portland African American Leadership Forum said the development commission had in the past made promises about preventing projects from displacing community members but hadn’t fulfilled them”.

    • Jake77

      It would be better to concentrate on solving the problem of the black economic condition.

      • http://globalpoliticalawakening.blogspot.com Global Political Awakening

        It appears that Ben Swann’s staff is scouring the headlines looking for any article which casts minorities in a “bad” light which is made more obvious by the fact that the editors exclude any information from the source article which provides a less biased impression. I like Ben Swann and appreciate his work; therefore, I hope he will take action to address these concerns. This article is similar to the article by Kirstin Tate in which she selectively edits out information from the source article, as well, http://benswann.com/new-york-government-shells-out-10-k-for-21-year-olds-sex-change-operation/.

    • Dynamic

      Thank you!!! I’m SO upset at the sentimentalization of this article! This is not at all what I expect from Ben Swann articles. They need a better editor.

      • Dynamic

        *sensationalization

    • bd1143bc

      You’re a racist.

    • Qari

      Because it is based on bad economics. If someone took your house and doubled it’s value, you could continue to live in the area, or you could sell your house and be rich for doing nothing more than owning a house in a place where the property value went up. Prices won’t go up just because white people live there. As long as there is a demand for the cheaper goods that exist there now, there will be suppliers to provide it.

      • Dynamic

        Prices would go up because richer developments are usually the next step. I know you may not know, but this happens often. Its generally white vs. black but it is really all about the money. A lot of times what happens is that the homes are bought at a ridiculously low price and then refurbished in resold at much higher values.

        • Qari

          The houses can only be bought if the person living there feels like the sale is good. If the buyer thinks it’s a good deal he will offer the deal. Voluntary trade is based on the idea that both people value what the other person is offering more than what they have. I live in Jacksonville, and our city is sometimes segregated and sometimes not. Our north side has 3 classes of people, the rich people who need to live by the airport, broke white people and broke black people. There are really nice shopping plazas for the wealthy middle class people, and then there is the cheapest meat place I’ve ever seen 3 blocks away. It’s not impossible to have poor and wealthy people live next to each other.

          • Duh

            You are assuming the residents are homeowners…

          • Qari

            If you look at the neighborhood, it’s all single family homes. Unless they all rent them, and rent them from “non-oppressed people” then someone from the community will benefit from the higher prices of land. If it’s like my hometown they are modest houses, but the land value increases and they can turn a really good profit for something which had very little vlaue in the past.

          • pbfrank13

            “It’s not impossible to have poor and wealthy people live next to each other.”

            There’s actually studies showing that this is a net benefit to the neighborhood in terms of increasing income mobility, education levels, lowering crime rates and substance abuse among other side effects.

          • Qari

            That is very exciting! Is there any way you could point me to a study, or maybe even where you found it and I can snoop around?

          • pbfrank13

            I wish I saved the article linking to various studies if I had it bookmarked I would have posted it, but unfortunately I am going off of memory, which on the internet make it credible of a claim.

          • Qari

            No worries, I would have loved to see it though (Iam pretty much the same way.)

  • Dynamic

    I think what they’re afraid of is that if a Trader Joe’s is put into a community that is of a low socioeconomic background (and black) people of a higher socioeconomic level (that is usually white) would move in. It might not be that they are afraid of white people moving in or don’t want diversity, What usually happens when a neighborhood is seen as “more desirable” is that those with more money build more expensive houses and businesses, thus raising the land value to levels in which those with less money cannot afford and are thus “forced” to move out. Although race place a part in this, the headline is clearly sensationalized as there is no quote in the article that states building a Trader Joes would “attract more whites.” They’re afraid it would end up forcing the OPPRESSED out. I know it seems like racism, but it’s truly just fear based in the fact that this does indeed happen. Its fear based in history. THINK CRITICALLY!

    • Qari

      Rising property value is really good if you own property in that area. If you look at the street on google it’s all residential homes. Rising prices is actually really nice, since they can turn a profit if they want, or have better collateral for loans. I don’t know if Portland has a property tax, however, which might be a problem, depending on the rate.

      • Derp

        This is of course assuming that said individuals own their property.

        • Qari

          If you look up the place in question on google maps, it’s a bunch of single family homes. These are not high rise apartments. These properties probably have very little value at the moment (for Portland standards) but increased home values could mean nice benefits for the homeowners.

  • bd1143bc

    They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.

    Imagine the faux outrage if it was a majority white community saying this.

    • D Scott Horton

      My sentiments exactly.

    • talkslow

      Just because white neighborhoods don’t “say” these things doesn’t mean they don’t do it. White people build things that only benefit themselves ALL OF THE TIME. see country clubs, expensive high rises, communities organizations with membership fees, etc

      but OMG!! black people don’t want a trader joes!! THEY’RE RACIST!!! lol get a grip

      • bd1143bc

        Racist.

  • granny good-food

    It’s hard to imagine a neighborhood not
    wanting a TJs, but let me ‘splain something that is not immediately seen
    in this article that colors the Black activists as being stupid for
    rejecting progress. They are smarter than you think.

    The impetus
    behind the TJ project is REDEVELOPMENT (“Portland Development
    Commission”). Make no doubt about it. Redevelopment is the UNKNOWN
    GOVERNMENT and will make predetermined decisions for people that they
    did not necessarily want nor vote on. It benefits favored developers,
    lawyers, bond brokers, and consultants over property owners. All that
    the development commission needs to do is to claim the area “blighted”
    and they immediately have four extraordinary powers held by no other
    government authority —

    1. exclusive use of all increases in property tax revenues;
    2. to create bonded debt without voter approval;

    3. to grant business subsidies, or give public tax money directly to
    developers as cash grants, tax rebates, free land, or improvements.

    4. to condemn private property, NOT JUST FOR PUBLIC USE, but to
    transfer it to private owners. What “Mom and Pop” shops are being
    trampled in the neighborhood to make way for the TJ?

    I applaud
    the Portland African American Leadership Forum and Mayor Charlie Hales
    for standing up to the bureaucrats and for the local community and the
    rights of local property owners.

    • Tom223

      We can thank our insane Supreme court for deciding to flush down the toilet the idea of property rights. Add that to an unaccountable & unelected commission and the citizens get screwed by the system they allowed to develop.

    • Lefty

      Thats why Portland will end up like Detroit……..a piss hole of poverty and crime

    • Jay Dubya

      Wow. “The rights of local property owners.” Sounds like you are anti-growth and anti-property rights. If the Redevelopment boogie man is so bad, how could it exist is such a liberal, grassroots area? You are championing the politics of racism and slander to serve your own, self-justified ends. Lefty is correct.

    • Michael X Cowley

      “What ‘Mom and Pop’ shops are being trampled in the neighborhood to make way for the TJ?”

      According to the article, “The land, which sat UNDEVELOPED [emphasis added] for years . . .” So, I would argue, no ‘Mom and Pop’ shops are being trampled. No big box stores are being trampled. No fast food chains are being trampled. Nobody is being trampled because the land was undeveloped.

      • Tannim

        Unless Mom and pop are selling vacant lots, in which case they can move to Detroit and make a killing…

    • r

      Obviously the reasons you cited are correct. The statement that they would be opposed to any development of land that solely benefit African Americans backs up your claim. Oh.. wait! No it doesn’t! It shows that the reason behind their rejection is simply put… racist. Good try though Mr. Liberal.

      I know you are liberal because you ignore the clear truth and try to put some ridiculous spin on it.

  • The_Dadster

    This article should have been titled –
    “Keepin’ it real – the victim/entitlement mentality”

  • Kerry Redmond

    Good, don’t waste your time there, come to Colorado Springs, we would welcome you with open arms!!!

    • Me

      I love Colorado Springs! I was there a few years ago on a missionary trip and had the opportunity to walk around town a bit!

    • Tannim

      AND HOW! :-)

  • Rodney Pere’rah

    Come to Boulder, Colorado!!!

    • Wallace Rogers

      Read Rosa Corey’s “Agenda 21″.

    • Tannim

      They open in Boulder next Friday. Not kidding. 1906 28th St

      Boulder, CO

  • Mister E

    Well how racist and prejudicial of them.

  • EndCorruptCorporatocracy

    The sad thing is that black folks overwhelmingly do not have access to
    affordable good, wholesome, healthy, *real* food… the likes of which
    is sold at TJ’s. But at the same time, urban development and
    gentrification are in essence weaponized against minority communities
    (and everyone else, too, depending…. gotta love delphi meetings and
    all the other corporatocratic NWO / fake “social democracy” BS disguised
    behind “development” and “environmental” initiatives….). Unfortunately, Obama seduced minorities and young sufferers of white guilt into
    voting for him en masse, but he is the worst Oreo(TM) Cookie imaginable,
    as most of what he does is destructive to the poor and minorities; he
    works for “the man” / banker NWO Fabian pseudo-socialist front. Tragic
    indeed.

  • Joe Mosley

    The Blacks are their own worst enemies.I really don’t care what happens to them,They are not my problem.They have made me feel this way.

    • pbfrank13

      Don’t generalize. Not all blacks are in favor of this. Just like not all whites support the KKK. It’s comments like yours that we can’t have a real discussion on things that matter. Groups are made up of unique individuals, making the individual the smallest and most important minority in need of protection.

      • Wallace Rogers

        Exactly. One of these days the stupidity will vanquish. Mr. Mosley talks as if he is separate. Do you feel abandoned Mr. Mosley? You do understand that we can rise up against all tyranny united as one people who decide globally to take freedom and let it ring like a liberty lightening bolt through the ears of those who would rather try and divide us and with success I might add, considering your rather ignorant reply, and in addition the resolution you offer in that reply is also equally as ludicrous, Mr. Mosley.

        • Chris Meyerson

          While Mr. Mosley’s comments are Brash and for the most part ill-conceived.. I would have to say that bashing him while the so called leaders of a said community spout this type of crap is also ill-conceived to put a mild point on it at all.. Do you really think you change the thought process of one older man… Why would any investor want to invest in a neighborhood that says don’t come here and we will fight you every inch and is echoed in the same chambers from the local government. Things that make ya Go Hmmmm…

          • Potawatomi13

            MalWart does it all the time! Most intelligent working folks DON’T want them around! Nevertheless they still spring up just like toadstools in your lawn. Unwanted and destructive of local business and decent paychecks and fair jobsite treatment.

          • Wallace Rogers

            It will never be ill-conceived to bring light on the fact that these racial issues are nothing more than an attempt by a few to dominate, rule, control, and enslave the many. It is a technique, and it is utilized effectively. Concentrating on a small band of ignorant people when we have “no free speech zones” or we have the National Defense Authorization Act, which gives one person the authority to take away your freedom, no trial, no jury …. prison. But lets not focus on the greater good for the globe, instead let us remain fixated on minor propaganda filled articles that seek to divide us.

        • bcspratt

          But the Portland African American Leadership Forum did not rise up to bring freedom, they rose up to bring racism and tyranny.

          “The construction project, which was to include a two large anchor
          buildings and 10 retail shops, was promised to an African American owned
          construction company.”

          This is pure racism based crony set asides (tyranny).

          “They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.”

          If that’s not in your face racism then what is?

          • Wallace Rogers

            As you look left the government run off to the right with everything. And when I say everything, I mean, all the money, rules, rights, privileges, land, resources, technology, protections, etc etc. So as we remain fixated on small inconsequential bands of ignorant people and their actions, we lose the ability to come together and truly make a better world.

        • original|copy

          can’t reason with stupid. but u can try to educate

  • James Hartzog

    Let them put a McDonalds there instead, karma will always find its target.

  • Shane Williams Sr.

    Wait…what? They can do that? So if a store that brings blacks into a community shunned in the same manner would be racist? I think there is room for a lawsuit based on racism.

    • hells_unicorn

      Sorry to break the news to you Shane, but racism only exists when a non-white person is the victim. If you doubt this, ask anybody who uses the term “racist” on a regular basis.

      • Shane Williams Sr.

        The sad sad truth my friend. the sad sad truth

    • original|copy

      maybe its not about race. maybe its more about the dissolving privately owned small business.

      • mds

        Really doubt TJ would be _competing_ with existing businesses. Try again.

  • AINT NOBODY GOT TIME FO’THAT

    Open up a Walmart instead so they can go shoplift at their own leisure since it’s easier than earning your own freaking dollar, budgeting and shopping…That’s too much work for 90% of blacks, AIN’T NOBODY GOT TIME FO’ THAT!!!!!!!!

    • Shocked American

      Your grammar is terrible! I’ll correct it for you.

      Ain’t nobody got no time fo dat.

  • Bold Counselor Marine

    Well.. it brings jobs .. and well, that does not fit the model of those in welfare..

  • Bradley Hill

    Oregon is a Progressive slum state anyway…Those people down there love their Welfare and Food Stamps. Jobs? What’s that?

  • LetsTryLibertyAgain

    More Trader Joe’s cherry chocolate chip soy ice cream for me! Bwa ha ha ha!

    I’m not sure what’s worse, the racist comments in the article attributed to local “community leaders”, or the racist comments under the article. I expected better from the people who visit BenSwann.com, but then again, this is the internet.

  • Roger Jordan

    where’s my foot? I can’t aim without a clean shot of my foot..oh, there it is!

  • Potawatomi13

    “Gentrification”! So now it’s not a good thing to make a black neighborhood more prosperous and less backward?! What a stupid and deliberately backward reasoned piece of illogic this!

  • Amber

    “Non-oppressed people”? That sounds like someone who believes in white privilege. They WANT this to be a class issue.

    • original|copy

      agreed. dude clearly missed the mark or intended to do so

  • asdfjbk

    For anyone who is shocked by this, look up the history of Kwanzaa. Specifically, the seven principal’s of the “holiday.” Now look up The 14 Words of the Aryan Nation.

    Both are horrible examples of discrimination.

  • original|copy

    Spent some time on this.. I’m not so sure this is a race issue as it is an issue regarding big business and independent ownership. Ignore the bigoted rhetoric in this article for a second and what you have is an issue predominantly focused on preserving local economy.

    What’s being pitched as an issue of race and ignorance is likely
    much more involved. The author gives this attitude like “look at these
    stupid racist African Americans, they don’t want to develop jobs and they hate
    white people,” now that wasn’t said but it is certainly implied…just
    look at the immediate response from most in the comments above as proof.

    It certainly is some slick, shock producing, spin from an author (who
    must be an unbiased investigative journalist since he is a) another
    minority…Persian and b) subjected to racism from people of the entire color spectrum) and therefore neutral on the topic to weigh in.

    But what if he were a white (or any person of any ethnic background)
    writer, who choose to instead write about a story where a neighborhood banded
    together against a cause, and through a common interest sought political
    support from an organization that also supported their sentiments.

    Now what if that neighborhood happened to be black- a population of
    people in this country who disproportionately face substantially higher poverty
    levels, substantially higher conviction/crime rates, have significantly less
    political representation, belong to poorer socioeconomic status within the
    population at large, and WAIT a history of repeated and calculated efforts by
    both mass media and its own government to be demonized in the public eye for
    essentially their entire history in the United States. Only this time they
    played a card from a deck that has so often been laid out on them: political
    warfare.

    I’m clearly no black activist and definitely not educated enough on
    this subject to speak with any authority/credence to the argument I’m going to
    make–but simply through my first impressions on what I believe is not an
    article about racist black folk, but something that this country will not admit
    to nor dare mention in any public address. And that is, the establishment fears
    nothing more than a unified, organized, and politicized black community working
    towards equality in a non-violent fashion. I’d even go further and say that the
    establishment is even more fearful of non violent black political organizations
    that were standing up against a topic that no political party wants to have any
    say on, class warfare. If there was any minority who could coalesce to a
    significant voice who would not only represent that minority but also echo the
    problems of every social class that is not in the upper class- it would be
    without a doubt Black America.

    Again not well versed on African American history in the US, nor can
    I confirm claims about to be made, but based on observation and deduction
    alone: any significant Black movement with the potential to cause great
    disturbance in the status quo, has been effectively snuffed out. Their
    political leaders marginalized, their social leaders assassinated, and most of
    all- their people all too often depicted in stereotypical fashion on every form
    of media (from mainstream ‘news’ to Hollywood characters).

    Now back to what I believe this is truly about: the issue where a
    neighborhood boycotted a national grocery chain from bullying their way into a
    market already sufficient with their own means of distributing goods, one that
    preserved the security of private small business owners. And you know how I
    know that the greater underlying issue about this story is actually about
    Corporate America v independent ownership: there is only 1 sentence which
    mentions how the land was appraised for 2.9 million dollars. In the following
    sentence, “The land, which sat undeveloped for years, was offered to the
    chain for $500,000 in an attempt to bring high paying jobs and prosperity to
    the neighborhood,” attempts to justify this gross unwarranted disparity of ACTUAL property value and the MUCH more attractive, subsidized ‘welcome-to-the-club-of-the-corporate-privileged’ price by sandwiching a negatively spun statement before disclosing- the severely reduced price, followed by the subsequent further (and unnecessary) intended benefits the
    company would provide (which are speculative, not guaranteed benefits). The article then closes out with the salaries of Trader Joe’s Managers falling in the six figures range, leaving the reader feeling that a great opportunity has passed
    over Portland due to racism.

    My instincts tell me this author made a conscious decision to either
    address this story as a polarized issue involving race (and depicting African
    Americans in this particular community as ignorant stereotypical racists,
    uninterested in job growth and economic betterment) or between a much more
    controversial topic that would require he excavate past the distractive debris
    of bigotry and focus on the inherent albeit buried, problem of corporate
    bailouts. One being a slam dunk shock factor, no brainer, I’m right their wrong
    piece of slander and the other being a story which would need a select audience who would be open minded to connect some distantly spaced dots. The story for the people who only read things at face value clearly won. Or maybe no other story actually exists and I just took this too far. Not so sure I did, because all of this is coming from first impression and like I said before, zero
    research done.

    What was most impressive to me about this black activist group in
    Oregon, was their success. Regardless of their involvement in the facilitation
    to victory for this African American neighborhood in Portland, Oregon, the
    result is still the same. Forget this seemingly bigoted rhetoric which sounds
    ironically unfitting, whatever the reason this organization rallied behind,
    even if it were to keep ‘non-oppressed peoples’ from flocking to this area, at
    the end of the day there ain’t gonna be no Trader Joes in Big Mama’s house!

    There’s so much to life when you just stay black and die.
    -mos def #isitblackhistorymonthyet

    • mds

      If the TJ is a _franchise_ then it is independently owned… So… next argument, please.

    • Inspector Fu

      wall of blathering text.

  • Lillith

    I can’t help but wonder if there is a political motive for keeping out a business like this. People might work for the store. They might get off of welfare. They might see their former way of life as a trap. They may even start learning more about what they are putting in their bodies having such a store full of organic veggies and alternatives to the crap Wal mart claims is food. They might change their minds about their own political positions. There may even be a dominoe effect and more businesses and jobs would lead others down the same path. Gotta keep the area dependent on a socialist system so they’ll keep voting for the left. Keep them broke and sick so they need the government. Alinsky tactics.

    • April Lamba

      It;s because “black activists” don’t give a shit about black people ex. Jesse Jackon, Al Sharpton etc. They don’t want blacks to be smart with their money or open their own businesses without government aid, or live a life other than attached to a feeding tube to the government. If ALL black Americans were self-sufficient, well-educated and out of poverty the democrats would lose their base and those “black activists” (actual race-baiters) would lose their “jobs” and money-mine and REAL intellectuals and activists would take over.

    • vofact

      right on Lillith.. you have the real issue that is going on…keeping the poor/minorities down and hope they keep believing the lie that the dems will help them and vote for them. Mlk by the way was a republican! go figure??????

  • Evelyn Evvy Marinaccio

    THAT IS IT FOR ME!! YOU RACIST BIGOITED PIGS ! YOU DON’T WANT THIS STORE BECAUSE IT WILL ATTRACT WHITE PEOPLE ??? ARE YOU , YES YOU F’N KIDDING ME ?? OR MAYBE THERE WOULD BE AN OPPERTUNITY FOR YOU TO GET OFF YOU FAT ASS AND GO TO WORK EACH DAY , AWE YOU WOULDN’T THINK OF THAT WOULD YOU?? OH MY , THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO HIRE “WHITE PEOPLE—YES WHITE PEOPLE” OH MY, WHAT THEN , WILL YOU COMPLAIN THE “WHITH PEOPLE TOOK YOUR JOBS , THAT YOU DIDN’T WANT IN THE FRIST PLACE” SO SICK OF ALL YOUR B*LLSH*T…SO GO AWAY , DON’T GO AWAY MAD , JUST GO THE F*CK AWAY, QUICKLY, GOODBYE

    • truthtime

      What backwoods town are you from where you have the audacity to tell someone to go to work? Get a grip, you sound ridiculous. Obviously you dont knw what gentrification means. This isnt about race. Re-read the article. And quit pretending you care so much about being welcomed into a black community anyway. If it bothers you that much go move to a black neighborhood. If not then hush and stay secluded in your suburb.

    • Sol

      You are just as racist as anyone who doesn’t want to “attract a white population” by assuming that African-Americans in general don’t want to work. I know plenty of white people on welfare too who choose not to work.

      • MissMe

        Exactly. Thing is per statistics there are more white people on welfare than any minority. Ms. Evelyn and you spelled OPPORTUNITY wrong. God Bless you!

    • Wallace Rogers

      I see that the government has been quite successful in their propaganda. You see, we divide, they conquer. Let me tell you straight out I live right smack dab in the middle of Detroit, MI. I am white, most of my neighbors are black. And everyone here works their butts off! So, until we come together we are doomed! Do you hear me!? UNTIL WE COME TOGETHER, WE HAVE NO HOPE!!! Immerse yourself in learning about the tyranny, corruption, and lies! Know why, how, and when your constitutionally protected rights are being violated. Read the very first line of the very first amendment of our constitution and then ask yourself why we have “no free speech zones” in the very place that is supposed to uphold the constitution in the 1st place!

    • HBH

      Caps lock is on.

  • truthtime

    The writer of this article is clearly race baiting w that headline. Not 1 Word of the body matched the headline. The person interviewed was simply stating that they have neighborhood stores, probably owned by those in that predominantly black area and that they dont want a Trader Joes to come in and be the first step to gentrification, putting their ‘mom and pop’ establishments out of business. This same thing happens in small towns all over america, that arent majority black. Just ppl not wanting to lose their businesses, regardless of race. The person who wrote this comes off as ignorant, yet has managed to get ppl ralled up/ attention for his article even though the body says nothing to support the title… goal accomplished… I mean seriously, what kind of idiot do you have to be to read this whole article and then still blindly accept this stupid headline. Since youre all so intelligent, think for yourselves. If a white business owner hears about a competitor moving in town theyre gonna try to oppose it if possible. Happens all the time. Please go read or something to inform yourselves! This is not a new occurrence in any neighborhood, dumbasses!

    • Katt

      Please read and interpret before you discuss. The quote that you are using as the basis for your argument about the neighborhood stores is FROM Trader Joes. They are saying that they run neighborhood stores and that if they are not wanted then they will not go into that neighborhood. The title of the article is exactly what it says!! Black people don’t want Trader Joes because it will bring too many white people to their community!!

    • Duh

      The only difference is that Trader Joe’s pays much more than minimum wage and offers 401k’s…they use local farmers to source their produce. They don’t sell soda with high fructose corn syrup or any unnatural product. Apparently you need to reread that article and perhaps do some research on trader joes… they aren’t your typical store,. That store would have helped a black community more than it would have hurt it. Plus every item Trader Joe’s sells with their own store brand logo is GMO free where possible, and a dollar less than the competition. Stores like TJs we need all over America because it isnt run like a wallmart and it pays something called a living wage… by doing so it gives back to the community…

      • SickOfTheStupid

        You are thinking of the Trader Joe’s from years ago in California , the franchises are not near the noble ventures of the originals.

        • Duh

          Everything I stated about TJ’s is still true today. Another point I was trying to make is that the OPs remark about mom and pop shops being affected is invalid because they don’t come close to sourcing the same type of food. So people would be free to find the products and brand names elsewhere that are not sold at TJ’s… keeping those very businesses in business.

          • SickOfTheStupid

            I refuse to shop at our TJs , most of the products and produce are being manufactured for it a few hundred miles away in Mexico , not locally and they treated the staff like crud , they have massive staff turn over in the store and that tells me they in fact are not treating their employees like you claim . It is absolutly positivly nothing like the TJ’s I shoped at out in SF when I was in culinary school

          • Duh

            I guess i should have clarified my experiences have only been in PA and NJ… but the ones i have been to here were run well. :/

          • SickOfTheStupid

            I am in New Mexico , and go to Denver often the TJs there is much more like I was used too……I think the problem is TJs bit off more than they can chew and cant give each individual store much guidance or oversight and the local manufacturing aspect is not working out in all their locations.

          • Tannim

            Love to know how you anything about the TJs in Denver since they don’t open until next Friday. Or are you referring to the TJs in NM?

      • Cjc King

        Good call.

    • American Avant Garde

      You misread the quote; that was trader Joes representative was saying that because they run “neighborhood stores” they won’t open up a store if they get any resistance from the neighborhood.

    • mds

      Err… You are ignorant. The authors of articles do not pick the Headlines. The headlines come from the Editor.

    • mds

      The “does not j_solely_ benefit African Americans” about kills your argument here.

    • MJK

      Apparently you read a different article than the one above. There are comments in that article which, if race reversed, would have Sharpton’s ugly mug trying to get in front of a camera.

      would “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations.”

      doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.

    • April Lamba

      Look don’t lie, most stores in majority black neighbourhoods are owned by other minorities esp. immigrants example korean, chinese, italians, arabs, pakistani etc. Most black neighbourhoods hardly have black stops (and if they do its usually run by a Caribbean or African immigrant). They are hating on Trader Joe’s bc they are a famous white-brand, and black activists only look at colour and never at what actually benefits the community. If you really hated the store why don’t you just NOT buy from there? Make all the employees black so they can get as much money and benefit from the store, and those employees will give money to “black shops” you keep talking about (as though they exist in abundance). This would run Trader Joes OUT OF BUSINESS!
      This is the main problem of black activist. All they do is whine and look at color, history or the past. NEVER the future and being proactive and planing!

      • Cjc King

        Perhaps it is not the name that they do not like but the corporatization of America.

        • Tannim

          Yet they buy at fast food joints and WalMart and all sorts of groceries by P&G, Kraft, General Mills, Tyson, etc…

    • Cjc King

      Your response was great for the most part. you had me right up to the part where you included dumbass. To me that just defeats the whole point you’re trying to make. why can’t it be just someone who does not have your point of view. If everyone that does not think as you do is a dumbass I guess that would include me and everyone you know. Peace out.

    • CSSXCIV

      The person speaking of running neighborhood stores is a Trader Joes employee. He states that they(Trader Joes) run neighborhood stores and if a neighborhood doesn’t want them they don’t go into that neighborhood. Try taking a night class on reading comprehension before you bash other people for not reading.

  • Daniel Kirsner

    http://www.drdarden.com/…/art…/articles/artJonesAWK.html

    An Arthur Jones Parable

    “Why
    are so many people,” I asked Arthur, “still hesitant to apply the
    sensible, logical, strength-training concepts that you developed in the
    1970s?”

    Arthur
    replied, as he often does, with a parable. While I’ve written about
    this particular parable in my “Nautilus Bodybuilding Book,” the story is
    worth repeating.

    “Imagine
    you are on a hiking trip through some rugged desert terrain,” Jones
    said. “You see a figure in the distance. It’s an old man, bearded and
    half-naked, on hands and knees, with his fingers clawing at the hard,
    sandy earth.

    “You ask, ‘What are you doing?’

    ” ‘I’m digging for gold.’

    ” ‘How long have you been at it?’

    ” ‘Weeks — months maybe. It’s painfully slow work.’

    “You
    notice the old man’s bloody fingers, his raw and callused knuckles. You
    say, ‘But listen, man! Digging with your bare hands is a pretty
    inefficient way to prospect for gold. That hole’s only a couple of feet
    deep. Let me loan you my shovel.’

    “You
    reach into your backpack, pull out a lightweight, tempered-edge spade,
    and drive it into the ground. Then, you show the man how he can break
    and scoop the hard sand much more efficiently. In less than five minutes
    you have demonstrated to the old fellow that he can make more progress
    in a few moments than he could in a month of using his bare hands.

    “Then,
    an amazing thing happens,” Jones said. “That old man’s eyes fill with
    hate and his face flushes angrily. He charges at you and grabs the
    shovel from your hands. He’s now preparing to throw the shovel, or
    perhaps even try to beat you with it.

    “You
    quickly retreat, and get the hell out of the old man’s range, as the
    shovel comes crashing down behind you on the hard sand.”

    That’s not the end of the story. After a longer-than-normal pause, Arthur continued:

    “If
    you return to that rugged location in the desert a year later, what
    would you expect to see that old man doing? Would he be using the shovel
    properly and have holes as big as school buses spread over the
    immediate and adjacent surroundings?

    “No,
    absolutely not! Instead, the prospector would be at that same spot —
    with a somewhat bigger hole — still digging with his even-more-callused
    fingers. And there, in plain sight, only a few yards away . . . would be
    the unused, and now rusty, shovel.”

  • Tyler

    The gentrification complaint that whites will drive up property values and force blacks to move out is NO different than the complaint that blacks will drive down property values and force whites to move out. They are equally racist, but it’s okay for blacks to oppose other races living in their neighborhood under the guise of it affecting property values. To hell with these double standards liberals propagate.

    • haroldcrews

      Who cares if something is ‘racist’? It only matters whether it is true or not.

    • April Lamba

      Look making your community better looking and presentable is NOT a bad thing. If the people living there are too poor to pay rent after fix up their community there is something wrong with the people their and the government and not local businesses or big business. Why would anyone want to live in an undesirable place just to have subsidied living or low rent? That is disgusting and horrible way of thinking! If everyone in the neighbourhood is poor and on welfare than THAT needs to change! They need to bring better jobs and skilled labour to those communities to bring them up to middle class and out of American poverty! It is NOT a hard thing to do, as many immigrants who came from dirt poverty in the 3rd world have easily overcame there struggles!

      Also. from my post below. If you really hated the store why don’t you just NOT buy from there? Make all the employees black so they can get as much money and benefit from the store, and those employees will give money to “black shops” you keep talking about (as though they exist in abundance). This would run Trader Joes OUT OF BUSINESS!
      This is the main problem of black activist. All they do is whine and look at color, history or the past. NEVER the future and being proactive and planing!

      Have you every hear, “Actions speak louder than words?” I am 100% sure those activist knew the people in the community were going to work and buy from there AND be happy doing it, and that independent thinking and being happy for the “white man” made them livid.

      • Cjc King

        You know for the most part I agree with your statement. There is one thing you seem to have overlooked. There are some people in life who just do not see any pleasure in having more or getting rich as you might say. This makes for a more complicated discussion because they have a right to live where they are and on the other hand, a company has the right to open where they feel most beneficial to them. How color has to do with any of this I do not know. If they build there and it fails it was a bad business decision. Furthermore I do not know of anyone who has moved beside a store just to go shopping. Peace out.

  • susandaytoday

    Bring one to clermont fl

  • haroldcrews

    Looks like the greatness of diversity only goes one way. Diversity is meant to empower minorities at the expense of whites.

    • talkslow

      At the expense of whites??? what white people do you see being taken advantage of in this story??? *looks far and wide* *sees nothing*

  • mds

    “Doesn’t solely benefit African Americans”?!?!?!
    Go back to Africa, you _racist_!!

    • MissMe

      We would still be there if your Grandfathers hadn’t have forced us off our own land. God Bless!

      • Jeffrey Burcham

        Too bad your great-grandfathers in Africa sold you into slavery. And what about all the WHITE slaves held in Africa from the 1600′s to late 1800′s? Guess they don’t teach that in your schools, huh? Warring tribes in Africa would sell the prisoners/slaves they captured from other tribes-they would seel or trade them to WHOEVER, so don’t try and act so high and mighty. And you can go back anytime you want, nobody is stopping you. Oh wait, no welfare in Africa! Can’t get that check and food stamps each month over there can you? Ignorant ass.

        • HBH

          It may be also interesting to know that a considerable number of Cherokee Indians possessed slaves as well.

      • Jorge Caicedo

        Actually you were sold off by your own…

      • Ricotta

        The African slave trade was started and employed almost entirely by Jews. gg nub

  • Mordecai Irony

    Not sure about ribs, but I’ve seen watermelon at TJ’s.

  • Chet Richards

    Negroes bitch about segregation, then seek to segregate themselves. Now if we could just keep them out of white areas.

    • April Valenzuela

      Wow

    • Brandi Thomas

      No where in this article was segregation mentioned. You’re using the internet so I’m pretty sure that you are aware that it’s no longer 1945. My guess is that you just don’t know what the word “segregation” actually means

      • Jorge Caicedo

        Brandi, it may no longer be 1945 but you can’t deny that many blacks do want to segregate themselves voluntarily….ditto for whites

  • Tmack

    Another crack house will be so much better than a Trader Joes…

  • nuzzybuzz

    Very stupid people. Want to keep their “brothers and sisters” down so the ” bad white man” will have to take care of them!

  • detox

    Here comes the neighborhood!!!

  • Golden Bear

    Is this real life? Blacks gonna black.

  • Dee Dee

    Many were for this project, many were against but why are people so offended that some people in this community did not want a Trader Joes? That just seems so stupid to me. How is that affecting your life? You didn’t even know about it until this slanted article and ridiculous headline. Why does it make you so angry? And why are people saying, FINE, leave them oppressed and racist. Um, no, the community is not oppressed and racist and guess what, there are grocery stores there , and this is a thriving community.

    Many people may think that Trader Joes is a lovely store but wouldn’t consider it a grocery store, neither do I. Many people might think (and many did) that a Trader Joe’s wasn’t worth and/or shouldn’t get an over 2 million dollar subsidy as a multi-billion dollar corporation, maybe some in the community felt that the money could have been spent another way, maybe some just wanted a different grocery store, maybe some just didn’t want a bunch of trendy fake yuppie liberals hanging out in the neighborhood, who knows, you don’t, I don’t, but why the fu** is it pissing people off so bad, that’s just cray cray. It’s a ridiculous reason for people to be so angry and hateful, and it’s by design. It’s like feeding candy to a baby with you people.

    Did anybody actually bother to even read the letter? It’s got good points. Plus let’s flip the script. Let’s say as a black woman my business partners and I own a hypothetical widely known and popular hip hop clothing store. Now let’s say that in your hypothetical white and Christian community I break ground and you folks subsidized it for me to the tune of 2.6 million dollars even though my corporation is a multi-billion dollar corporation. I stick my popular store right smack in the middle of your Starbucks and your Trader Joe’s right across the street from your mega church. If you don’t think for a second that a large number of the pearl clutchers in your hypothetical community wouldn’t be up in arms about that, you’d be delusional.

    • Brandi Thomas

      I was wondering how long it was going to take before someone left a comment with actual substance. Every black community is not a ghetto and DeeDee you’re absolutely right! A store that sells “urban apparel” would definitely not make it any where near a predominately white affluent neighborhood.

      • Dee Dee

        The people of that hypothetical community would shudder at the thought, lol! Shameful jounalism(?).

  • Matt

    If the community doesn’t want them, I support that. Like I supported the Communities that fight to keep Walmart out. I hate Walmart, also they’ll have to live with the loss of jobs. Communities should have the right to keep a business out. I believe in a Real Free Market and Real Capitalism, but also support communities rights also.

    • Tannim

      I don’t think anyone is disputing that. The issue is the utterly lame reasoning for doing so. However, committees, like all collectives or groups, do not have rights. Only individuals have rights.

      • jbo5112

        Committees have rights because we elect or appoint them to make decisions on our behalf. It all goes back to being a Republic. The problems come in when people in power are corrupt, but that happens with any sort of government design.

        • Tannim

          Negative. Rights are individual and exist because the individual exists. What you describe are privileges granted to groups by individuals. The difference is that the group can have privileges taken away by the one granting them. Individual rights are not dependent upon permission from others. That difference is the reason why the Founders took extra care to differentiate them in the Founding documents. Being a Republic has to do with indiviudal rights being protected from the tyranny of the majority. There is no such thing as collective rights, and there never has been, despite what the courts think, unless one is living in a socialist state where the collectivist “rights” of the state trump everything. Once you go down that path, then you wind up with the idea that the larger the group, the more “rights” they have, and both equality and protection of the minority, even down to the individual, goes out the window and we no longer are a Republic. This has been the end-goal of the statists since the nation was founded–elimination of individual rights in favor of full state control.

    • Dennis Victor

      My concern would be whether or not the actual community was for or against the developmental or just those leaders who benefit from spreading or perpetuating a victim life style. There are some who benefit from keeping their constituents on the welfare plantation.

    • HBH

      They shouldn’t have the right if its based on racism and bigotry, no.

  • ajweberman

    Trader Joe’s has the best deals in town. We have seen Blacks unable to operate stores in their area and Koreans move in. And trader joe’s hires plenty of blacks and is a union shop. The blacks want an open air market like in Africa.

    • Pat

      Maybe you shouldn’t speak of races being so homogeneous. Some does not equal all. I do not think the same as all other white people.

      • ajweberman

        Blacks vote the same way – for another black. And judging from the Million Man March they are the biggest racist group in US

        • Pat

          Really clown? Because I live right near Detroit (a city with about 80% black population… highest of any major city) and they just elected a white mayor.

          And let’s see… black voter turnout in 2012 was a little above 60%… and of that almost 10% didn’t vote Obama. So about half the black population did not vote for Obama.

          It’s about individuals. Let me give you an example.

          Incorrect = Whites are racist and use unfair stereotypes against entire groups.

          Correct = ajweberman is racist and uses unfair stereotypes against entire groups.

          Got it now?

          • ajweberman

            I went to Michigan State in the early 1960′s. The reason Detroit elected a white mayor was because they couldn’t find an honest black one. I loved that city and hate to see it destroyed. You are wrong 90% of blacks who voted voted for Obummer. That is what counts not those who for whatever reason failed to vote.

          • Pat

            Go Green. I graduated in ’05.

            They had 10 people running in the Primary, and Duggan (the white guy) still won the most votes by far (And he was a write in candidate!)>

            And also, when was Mayor Dave Bing a liar? He’s been pretty honest when he was mayor. And even a couple of the primary candidates seemed like good, capable people. Besides… How many elections did Coleman Young win? And his whole platform was basically lies and fiery rhetoric….

            And, as I said. Black voter turnout was a little over 60%. And of those that voted, about 10% did not vote for bama. So of the TOTAL BLACK POPULATION that was registered to vote, about half did not vote as you claim they “all” did.

            “failed to vote”. I take issue with that phrase. Some choose not to vote. That’s not a failure.

            My point, again, is that you cannot paint an entire group of people the same just because a majority, or hell, even a Super Majority are one way. It’s individuals that matter. And the more you focus on this group, or that group… the more you play right in to the liberal game of BS group rights to the detriment of individual rights.

          • ajweberman

            my daughter’s at Stanford so I wore a Spartans sweat shirt and she a Stanford. She refused to bet on the game because he knew State would win. I offered her odds,.

  • HBH

    There are a lot of black people who don’t understand that their contempt for “whiteness” is extremely racist

    • Tannim

      You find that in every race directed at any other race, unfortunately.

      “Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.” -Yoda

      • HBH

        Basically the concept of whiteness is that white people are the reason for all the adversity that black people face. It is basically dehumanizing white people into being a problem that needs to be solved. Its racist, because it is a concept that is suppose to make white feel like garbage for being white and for wasting value space that black people could use to gain advantages.

    • JACKI TIGG MATHIS

      You got that right!!!

  • Joe

    How about reporting the real story, which is that the City of Portland almost got away with coddling another multi-million dollar corporation like it was business-as-usual. They were virtually going to give away the property at a fraction of the market value ($500,000 out of an assessed $3 Million), a discount that was only ever extended to the wealthy corporation, which rips of the City at least as much as the specific neighborhood.

    What’s more, you’d think that Charlie Hales doesn’t believe in gentrification or something, because he’s reported to saying the store would “be a good fit”, but that again is lazy reporting that almost seems designed to heighten false impressions of us vs. them, as Hales does not at all deny that gentrification has had “destructive” effects on the black community in Portland. He just talks out of both sides of his mouth.

    At the end of the day, if you’re still not convinced, this could just be chalked up to the market doing it’s magic, you know. Trader Joe’s could have gone ahead and continued to build on the site. They weren’t forced out. It’s not like they were denied the space. They chose to leave.

  • seicheinverga

    The community group is moronic but that is another story. Why does the Portland Dev Co have all this land and power anyway? Ironically, without the crony capitalism of incentives that TJs (like Whole Foods and “food deserts” in Chicago) probably would not waste a nickel on lame ROI locations. How about no incentives, and let the free market decide. Suckas, they bribe us with our own money.

  • D. Nic

    Does not surprise me…They would rather set on their as*es and suck up welfare instead of having a business come in and add to their community……Typical…..have no use for these lazy worthless bums…And to say it would attract to many white……lol lol…..cause they dont want to work so the white and other races will go for the jobs…

  • John

    Also, according to the left, black people don’t eat fresh produce because no one will sell it to them, but then, Trader Joe’s would prove that entirely wrong and so it must not be allowed. The “Food Deserts” must be protected at all cost.

    • HBH

      Agree. Ya, food deserts are the reason why people gravitate to Mcdonalds and KFC. Guarantee people would still choose fast food if there were fresh produce next door.

    • JACKI TIGG MATHIS

      What crap, they won’t sell fresh produce to them? The problem really is that they don’t want the fresh produce.

  • John

    Next up, black and liberal activists whine about Portland being a “food desert”.

  • usetolive

    You folks are really jumping to conclusions. Who said these folks are on welfare? Your underlying racists views bubble to the surface. I lived in Portland and I am pretty sure I know the area this article is referring to. These folks are just trying to protect their Mom and Pop stores…I don’t blame them. It is not to keep out white people! Those folks loved to see us when I brought my family their way to eat at their establishments! They are protecting their own!

    • HBH

      Did you read the article?

      • usetolive

        The article is slanted B.S. written to get the responses it is getting.

        • HBH

          “The Portland African American Leadership Forum, along with the Mayor Charlie Hales, sent letters to Portland Development Commission citing that they were “contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement of the African American community.” They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.”

          In other words, no non-blacks allowed.

          • usetolive

            Exactly…now you are getting it. Protecting their own! You start bringing in these businesses and soon enough the property values go through the roof and force them out…thus letting the white man reclaim the land he stole from the native Americans!

          • HBH

            Why bring Native Americans into this? If you’re going down that road, then neither black people deserve that land. And whats wrong with improving the economy of an area? Who says that black people wouldn’t benefit as well? Some may actually own property in that neighborhood and would be able to sell their land for several times the price they paid for it if they wanted to.

          • JACKI TIGG MATHIS

            Especially if there was a Trader Joe’s there.

          • JACKI TIGG MATHIS

            WHICH MAKES THE BLACKS THERE RACISTS!!!!

      • ChantelleMoore

        usertolive cannot read, must be a demmy.

    • ChantelleMoore

      Layabouts and do-nothings, Obama voters. See, as long as Santa Obama is paying these people to NOT work, why have a store that creates jobs? Sitting on their ever widening ass is a lot more fun as the checks arrive and the pot is smoked!

      • usetolive

        And you are a racists piece of trash that needs to own up to it!

      • ChantelleMoore

        They’re dancing a jig to Obama’s plantation tunes! “Step for the Masta Obama” says Chuck Schumer, Axelrod and Hillary”. We white people simply want blacks as well as all others to have equality in all areas, lets be friends, neighbors, coworkers, co- business owners, success for all! But Obama thronesniffers and rump swabs want blacks to quit being uppity and stay in line and vote DEMMY. Progressives enslave blacks, conservatives want us ALL to succeed. Allaha Ackbar Obama!

    • Trin Kiger

      Right on, usetolive, you nailed it!

    • JACKI TIGG MATHIS

      But,….. they don’t need to be racist about the fact that white people own the store, and pay people better, the store didn’t say that they would only hire whites, I would think locals would be given opportunities first, no matter the skin color!!!

    • jbo5112

      There may not be an unemployment problem, but if business were booming in the area, then why does no one want to develop the empty property?

      Just because they welcome a visitor doesn’t mean they don’t want the visitor to move into the area either. A staunch Muslim area in the Middle East would be happy to have an American tourist to overcharge, but would resent me opening shop to sell double bacon burgers, mini-skirts and bikini tops.

      A lot can be lost/twisted in paraphrasing a quote. There are probably too many nuances here to be concidered for such a short article. I haven’t even gotten into the viability of mom & pop stores (even in the absence of chains) , the reasons chains do well & their benefits vs drawbacks (benefits to the area are rarely discussed), or any underlying tax/regulatory problems.

      However, this is still good reporting by today’s standards.

  • David B

    It’s not “The Man” that keeps black people down. They do a good of job of it all by themselves.

    • eric90230

      Yes. The premise of liberal policy is that minorities are too stupid and weak to take care of themselves, so they need their superiors — the government elites — to run their lives for them.

      • Sun

        That’s stupid. Governments are needed for society to function. And incompetent government just means incompetent leaders and politicians not the structure.

        I can point to Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Switzerland, and various other countries.

  • JusticeDied

    I wonder if the actual people in the community even knew that these activists were purporting to speak on their behalf.

  • ChantelleMoore

    See, as long as Santa Obama is paying these people to NOT work, why have a store that creates jobs? Sitting on their ever widening ass is a lot more fun as the checks arrive and the pot is smoked! Trader Joe is a racist chain for even suggesting something this nice. Trader Joes might as well put up crosses and burned them! OK, now that we have driven them away, everyone back to doing what you were doing in the area – absolutely NOTHING but loafing and asking working folks to pay for you and illegitimate kids.

    • Jeff

      You racist B… black neighborhood = unemployment, drugs, and illegitimate kids? Lord have mercy.

      • HBH

        Jeff, this forum has no place for your bigotry.

        • Elynne

          If you read carefully enough, you will realize that Jeff is replying to ChantelleMoore and paraphrasing her message. The question now is: which one is the bigot?

    • kriegland

      Could not of said it better.

      • Elynne

        You used “of” improperly. The sentence should read “Could not HAVE said it better.” If you are one of those people who want English to be Our Official National Language, you should learn it properly yourself.

        • HBH

          There was no need to capitalize “Our Official National Language.” Additionally, your second sentence contains poor grammar. “The sentence should read” is not correct English.

          • Elynne

            I capitalized my words purposefully in order to make a point. My second sentence is perfectly fine grammatically. You correction makes no sense, since it doesn’t correct anything that I wrote, but just rephrases it.

          • Elynne

            HBH ~~ when I read some of your other posts, It appears that we are on the same side of this issue. But from some of your other posts, I think that you are misunderstanding the intent of others. But maybe I’m the one who is misunderstanding.

    • Elynne

      Chantelle, generalize much?

  • Jeff

    Ya’ll are just racist.

    Portland’s population (2010 census): 603,106, 71% white / 6% black

    Sounds like they ought to have the right to a community if they want one. You don’t see too many people pissed off about chinatowns (since WW2, I suppose).

    • kriegland

      Maybe that 6% should you know… Go else where.

      • Jeff

        Maybe it’s racist pieces of crap like yourself they don’t want around their kids… you know, just in case that sentiment swung towards a lynchin’ or beat-down on a bad day. I’d want you (regardless of the race you happen to identify with) outta my neighborhood too!

      • E.J. Burger

        no they should just be tolerant of other races and stores that bring in high wages and quality products.

    • HBH

      You are racist if you think it is ok to kick a business out of town, because it would attract people with the “wrong” color skin. Its no different than shutting down the community pool in the 1960s because too many black people were coming. What’s with your contempt for other races?

      • Jeff

        See response above. And Dee Dee’s post below.

    • E.J. Burger

      So if a black store owner wants to open up shop in a predominantly white neighborhood… And the town council says “We think this shop will attract too many black people. We won’t allow it.” Do white people have the same “rights” to community. I didn’t know “right” to a community in American meant excluding other races but your own. That sounds like something the KKK would want to do. smh.

      If you reverse the statement and it turns racist surprise it was already racist.

      • Jeff

        Dude, it’s about maintaining minority culture. In case you haven’t noticed, we’ve readily partitioned our neighborhoods off long ago based on income and culture. Is it wrong that a black neighborhood wants to keep it’s locally owned stores? Nah!

        Are black PEOPLE welcome in most white neighborhoods? Yeah. Do black people always feel comfortable living in those white neighborhoods? No way… It’s about minorities wanting their own neighborhoods with a CULTURE (family, art, food, etc) they identify with. If you’ve ever been to Portland, you’d realize that there is no shortage of neighborhoods welcoming to white people (and a few scary ones especially welcoming to folks like kriegland and ChantelleMoore to the south).

        Just because a large grocery chain like TJ’s was not given the go-ahead by the local community to open (on subsidized land no less) doesn’t mean anybody was harmed here… It was a community taking a stance against gentrification. It’s happening all over the place, driving up real estate, and pushing out locals who have lived there for generations. So, forgive me if I’m spouting off racist remarks here, but I think minorities have the right to resist economic forces they perceive to be pushing them away from places and people they identify with. Further, name one place where black folks are currently making white neighborhoods uncomfortable places to live.

        Instead, most of the posters here spout off generalizations about unemployment and food deserts like they know something. So yeah, on a spectrum of racism, I’m cool with a little exclusion if the end result is a minority population being harmed. From that little island of racism, I maintain that some of the posters here are disgusting human beings, and folks like yourself are ignorant to the fact that there remains a great deal of racism oriented toward the displacement of ethnic minorities.

        • Sun

          If this was reversed, it would be screamed “racist” til dusk until dawn.

          I wish Europeans have that level about kinship you displayed.

          • Jeff

            Huh?

      • Dee Dee

        That’s actually a good point but only made halfway. Let’s expand on your hypothetical analogy. Let’s say, hypothetically, that it was a widely and wildly popular hip hop/urban clothing store whose roots were in the black community. Now, let’s say that they came in to an affluent, white neighborhood to set up shop smack dab in the middle of their Starbucks and Trader Joe’s directly across the street from their predominately white mega church. Now let’s throw in that the people of the community were expected to subsidize them to the tune of 2.6 million dollars even though they were hypothetically a multi-billion dollar corporation. And since we are talking hypothetically, heck, now let’s pretend like they are a conglomerate and also own a chain of wildly popular soul food restaurants, whose roots had also been established in the black community, so, they are going to break ground for a restaurant as well right next to the clothing store. If you don’t think for a second that some of the pearl clutching white women in that neighborhood wouldn’t be raising hell about that, you’d be wrong. Why are you so bothered by it? How does it affect your life that this community may have determined they were good without a Trader Joe’s, it’s not that big of a deal.

  • Ken Dixon

    A white owned business tries to move into a predominantly black neighborhood, selling healthy food and creating good paying jobs on a piece of land no one else wants to touch and the local “community organizers” have a hissy fit and chase it away. Brilliant.

  • Connie Campos

    Wasn’t it the first lady that was complaining about “food deserts” in black neighborhoods. She said there were no nutritious alternatives because convenience stores were the norm instead of a “real grocery store.” Wait until she reads this story!! :-) What? Wanting to bring opportunity and good paying jobs? Unheard of.

  • Brandi Thomas

    CAUTION: if you are just joining this discussion beware, most of the comments listed contain opinions fueled by racism and bigotry it’s purest form. Black does not equal welfare, drug using, promiscuity or laziness, but you wouldn’t know that from the words provided by the majority of those who commented.

    • granny good-food

      Well said, Brandi. The tone of the article paints the Black activists as stupid for rejecting this “opportunity”, but the exact opposite is true. I think they may know something that was not revealed in the article — directly, anyway. I would like to know what your thoughts are on the opinion I wrote at my facebook page as Granny Good-Food. Thanks.

      • John

        Apparently, black people don’t think black people are competitive. Mexicans, however, have no problem competing. I gues maybe one group gets free money from the government and the other doesn’t. Unless you want to ascribe it to some other issue.

    • Bill B

      And just so we’re clear: it’s ok for black elected officials to say a business will attract too many white people. But, it’s not ok for whites to voice disgust and contempt? Warning: if you are just joining this conversation, beware! A double standard exists.

    • John

      Oh, please. Nice strawman creation. You just make half a dozen with one sentence.

    • John

      How about if you explain the racism embedded in this African American’s statements –

      “It sent the city a letter saying it would “remain opposed to any development in N/NE Portland that does not primarily benefit the Black community.” It said the grocery-store development would “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations.”

      Mayor Charlie Hales and the urban renewal agency’s executive director, Patrick Quinton, signed a letter in January that described what they said was the commission’s contributions “to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement on the African American community.”"

      And then explain for the class how taking away work from African Americans is good for African Americans –

      “Trader Joe’s is based in Monrovia, Calif. Its store would have been the anchor of a two-building development that included space for four to 10 shops and 100 parking spaces. A company owned by African-Americans in Portland had been slated to build it.”

  • Sebastian Ossa

    probably a bad move health wise, unless they have a replacement with quality groceries.

  • Opinionated

    This is just down right ridiculous! Maybe they should put up McDDonlads instead. I bet they wouldn’t complain then, since they’d be getting another “get fat” factory to go play in.

  • mitchie124

    Stupid racist!

  • Dyslexia2222

    Half the comments made by people on here I bet would not say in a open forum. hide behind social media, cowards…

    • Draken

      Welcome to the Internet Generation :(

      • Dyslexia2222

        Yes and I believe blocking their blessings were wrong and there was no real logic behind not allowing TJ to open in the community.. Economic development..$$$$$$ provides jobs for ALL PEOPLE.

  • James

    “displacement of the African American community” WTF?? It’s a store, that blacks can freely shop at also. Can anyone imagine the shiite-storm if white people were saying a store would attract too many black people. I feel sorry for the fools that don’t want this store in their community, what a sad bunch they are.

    • Brian W

      couldn’t agree more with ya man. this ranks HIGH on the stupidity list. Not to mention the racial undertones it makes. if the roles were reversed the media would be having a FIELD day with this.

  • Josiah Moss

    There are a number of black people that are waking up to these so called black activist/politicians. They are full of crap. It’s not like a mass of white people will start coming to a poor black community to get some TJ’s to buy. This is for employment of blacks in their neighborhood and good healthy food. The food is one of the biggest problems in these community. We know bad food and water causes bad mental and physical health.

    • Bill B

      Even if a mass of white people did go to that store, what’s the problem? Money is being pumped into the community. Jobs will be created. For the love of God, the building contract was granted to a black owned construction company!!!! What is wrong with these people?!?!

      • Josiah Moss

        These are the black so called leaders. I’d say more than half of these communities know they are full of it. They just don’t know what to do or have the resources to progress. Only thing is to vote these people out and vote for neither parties.

  • Geeky Grandma

    This is nuts! A store doesn’t exist to make political statements, it’s there to serve the community, employ people and make a profit. Or is that the real problem, giving poor people the opportunity to get off the welfare plantation?

    • Maranatha

      Then they should put it in a white neighborhood where the majority of welfare plantations have always been and remain to this day. Don’t be crawling at demons in someone else’s yard when you’ve got them in your own. There has never been a white welfare recipient who has not hesitated to eat something Black folks gave them, and cooked for them; including the food stamps they still get now that WE are paying for with OUR tax money. I don’t see one white welfare plantation transient pushing up from the table and refusing OUR money; don’t think we’ll let our own starve to death just because you think only privileged whites are entitled to the fruits of our labor. We feed our own, and YOURs too. Maybe they ought to try selling that Trader Joe’s to a Black owner and try it again.

      • John

        You’re wrong, of course. Blacks use welfare at approximately 5x the rate of white people as I recall. Yes, more whites are on welfare, but not by many. This is what happens when you provide “racism” as an excuse for everything that goes wrong in your life, instead of lack of ambition or work ethic.

        • Maranatha

          You use racism as an excuse. There has never been a Black person who lacked ambition or work ethic, maybe they don’t like the idea of licking some white arss of the rest of their lives trying to get past something President Obama can’t even get past. If that’s not an example of what happens when you try, I don’t know what is. And with all that racism that’s been tossed at him left and right, the rest of us know that nothing we ever did, ambition, work ethic and all, was going to transcend racism. There’s the proof of it in DC right now. That’s YOUR excuse for keeping it up. I didn’t invent it and just the fact that you would tell a lie like that says all it needs to say about you. Most of the Black folks on welfare ARE working el stupido. Call it the “WalMart philosophy.” That ain’t nobody’s fault except THEIRS.

          • Lisa

            It’s just ignorant to say there has never been and put any group of people behind those words. There are people of every race that have lack of ambition and work ethic. Look around they are all around us. I agree that black people were not given a chance for many years. But I don’t agree with that anymore. And please give me one instance where President Obama’s race has been held against him in Washington. So if you don’t agree with his policies then you must be a racist? WTH! He isn’t the first president that the opposing party didn’t agree with. I don’t agree with his policies and I could give two hoots what his race is. There are lots of politicians that are black that I agree with. I don’t care what their race is either. When the race card is thrown out there for ever little thing it diminishes really racism.

          • John

            WRONG. I’ve seen them interviewed. They say “oh, no use getting a job, the wages are low” or “I make more money selling drugs” or “I get welfare, why would I work?” There are plenty of white folk that lack ambition, don’t tell me there aren’t plenty of black folk that lack it as well. The difference is, white people can’t be lazy and cry “racism!”

      • Geeky Grandma

        I said poor people. That covers all races, doesn’t it?

        • Maranatha

          I don’t know, Does it? I mean if the construction was promised to an African-American-owned construction company, that doesn’t sound too “poor” to me.

          Black folks ain’t all that poor, some just have less money than others and consider themselves “temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

          Maybe they need to try treating African American business owners or those who want to own their own businesses in Black neighborhoods the same as they do the Asians, Mexicans, and Indians that they put in their neighborhoods while simultaneously running them out. We’ve seen that pattern of behavior, it only leads to ultimate destruction of a black neighborhood.

          As I said:

          Maybe a Black man/woman should be the one opening it. It’s really odd how they put a money-grabber in your community and think they are doing YOU a favor when the truth is, Black folks should be owning their own businesses in their own neighborhoods. They send Black people through hoops to own businesses in their own neighborhoods, then turn around and put their own businesses in there like it’s easy-as-apple-pie.

          You look up and you got Pakistanis, Asians, and everybody else OWNING all the businesses in a BLACK neighborhood filled with mostly Black renters, transients who can’t develop any wealth to strengthen their own neighborhoods and become OWNERS because they can’t get the money or business loans to do it themselves.

          Where are OUR business loans to open our own franchises in our own neighborhoods? Oh that’s right … can’t get them.

          It starts with one and next thing you know, all the Black folks are being kicked out, the taxes are being raised, and more Black folks are homeless or back in the projects because they couldn’t afford to live in their own neighborhood any more.

          • Sun

            Ironic other minorities are able to do well but Africans can’t because…”muh racism.”

            Minority on minority action. Africans don’t like getting a taste of their own medicine. On one hand you celebrate how you are displaced Europeans but then cry when you’re displaced.

            You are really a joy to read.

          • Geeky Grandma

            All I know is when I was growing up in the inner city, we would have needed a grocery like this.

          • Lisa

            We will never be ride of racism in this country until people quit dividing people by race. This store was going into a poor neighborhood. The last I checked there are poor of all race & creed in this country. Sad that this is a race issue when a business wants to go into a neighborhood and offer good job opportunities and health food options. That is the only way to fight poverty. Not by giving people handouts but by giving people opportunities.

          • John

            Black people are so amazingly self-destructive. You complain that you’re in poverty, but then a hard working intelligent black person goes out and gets wealthy and you attack him. While simultaneously attacking everyone else who goes out and starts a business because they’re not black and don’t feel guilty about getting paid for work.

            If blacks won’t work, won’t create, won’t run a business, they deserve to get gentrified out of their homes. When companies start up business, it’s nothing but opportunity and you see it as nothing but doom and gloom. First thing that would happen is I’d be there with my company looking to do part of the construction.

      • Sun

        “Then they should put it in a white neighborhood where the majority of welfare plantations have always been and remain to this day.”

        Lol.

        Is that why most minority majority based cities are trash and ghettos? The best cities, in terms of living standards, have a European majority.

      • Madt Smithson

        Wow Maranatha, you don’t even know how wrong you are.. I eat food prepared by “Black folks” all the time and I love it! I don’t think it matters what race owns a business at all.. As long as I like the products and survive then it doesn’t matter. I have lots of black friends and I don’t look at them different one bit! Screaming racism every time something you don’t like happens is wrong. So too is rejecting a company because of the predominate customer base. Think about it, how well do you think it would go over if a mostly white neighborhood rejected a company predominately shopped at by black people…? It’s a double standard and very hypocritical..

        • Maranatha

          It is, isn’t it? Yet, nobody says JACK when it’s done to Black folks. Ditching Black folks wasn’t a problem at all, but when they turn around and fight back, that’s a problem. Sounds kind of sketchy, like Palestinians being terrorized and when they fight back, they BECOME the terrorists for defending themselves. This isn’t about what YOU see from your small perch, this is about what is eternally and systemically a part of this nation, and racism is just as ingrained into the fiber of the American flag as its red/white/blue threads Do you deny that because you have a “few Black friends” who probably like you as much as you do them?

          • Mickey

            you sure are an angry little bugger aren’t you? Maybe you need to get laid.

      • Mickey

        are you saying that Trader Joe discriminates against black business owners?

  • Brian W

    The stupidity levels that abounds in their “decision making” is STAGGERING!

  • JACKI TIGG MATHIS

    Bah, leave them to their Piggly Wiggly, oh wait, that’s too far south.

  • Chris Powell

    Maybe they would approve if they changed the name to Trader Jerome’s lol

  • Maranatha

    If it was a Trader Joe’s owned by a Black person, it wouldn’t attract whites. They’d hate it just because it’s owned by a Black person.

    • Robin

      Yeah I always background check grocery stores to make sure their owners have the same race/religion/politics as myself before shopping there.

    • John

      “If it were”. We speak English in America.

    • Bill B

      You are aware that this country is 71% white, about 12% black and is governed by a black president, right? Who do you think elected that Marxist Kenyan? Survey says: White people!!!! So, I guess that debunks your dumbass comment, huh?

      • John

        It’s easier to defeat truth with charges of racism because, well, there are no facts to use.

      • SmartPatriot

        Yknow the fact that you referred to the president as “that Marxist Kenyan” negated your entire argument, however your idiocy is right in line with Ann Coulter’s (congrats, Im sure your parents are proud). who has the idea that “we elected a Black president so obviously America is not racist”, is using the shortcut to thinking. Mr Obama was elected despite of a certain faction of racism, not because it no longer exists. the fact that you would even invoke the “Marxist Kenyan” canard proves that racism is alive and well in certain quarters, again I congratulate you on your embrace of cliche. Your response and it’s tone essentially underscores her point (while I may not agree with it 100%, you are the person she is referring to who probably would not shop trader joe’s if it were a black company as evidenced by the implied racism in your response). While not everyone who dislikes the president does so from a racist place, its clear you do.

        • Jake77

          He got money for college as a foreign national. Regarding his birth certificate it is a moot point as far as his presidency goes but I question the integrity of any person who accepts a doctored and photoshopped document from the white house. They clearly presented a phony birth certificate there is no question about that. The question is why. or rather the question is why would any honest person of any color accept a phony document as proof of anything. This president could commit murder and no one would say a word. Oh wait he has done that. He’s murdered over 120 kids with drone strikes. No one seems to care about that. Obama is a disgusting ass just like Bush and Clinton.

          • SmartPatriot

            there is no rational response that can be made to someone who says ” question the integrity of any person who accepts a doctored and
            photoshopped document from the white house. They clearly presented a
            phony birth certificate there is no question about that”. that is simply put a lIE, completely illogical and false. I would respect birthers more if they just said “Im not comfortable with the president being Black” because spin it all you want, that is all that it is period. Little to do with his policies, little to do with anything but what ive said, and a bunch of people who dont want to admit it to the world or themselves.. Some who I honestly dont even think realize or understand that this is why they feel that way. Moreover it is demonstrative of an abject paranoia. the government cant even deliver your mail without glitches, amazing that so many anti government conservatives place so much stock in its ability to mastermind such an intricate hoodwinking of the world. seriously you sound like a nut.

    • Sun

      Your stupidity knows no bounds.

    • Tom223

      Wow! Now that is the biggest load of manure on this page. You have been sold a false idea that “all white people are racist and hate black people”. This is a ridiculous remark and not based in fact. Clearly it is you who harbors the true hate here. You want to know who is responsible for your success or not – go look in the mirror. You are responsible for your own life.

  • Pamela Jones

    White people have had hundreds of years of offended every other race on the planet, so who cares if you are offended by this. I don’t blame them at all. Keep your neighborhood for yourselves.

    • Invalid

      wow. just wow Pam. Keep your neighborhood for yourselves? what happens to the other 3/4 people in this neighborhood that aren’t African American? they have no say? I bought a house and in my community everyone of any couture is welcome.

    • BlessPapaBenny

      Pam, has anyone ever told you before that you might be anti-White?

  • Sarahlizzy

    That’s too bad, I love Trader Joes’s good store lots of fresh food. Good prices, great service. Doesn’t matter in what neighborhood it is, they’ll miss out on all the good stuff they have, oh and the service… they’ll miss out on great customer service where employees actually like their jobs. Stupid move by the politician, they must like Whole Foods better.

  • John

    I destroyed an article about food deserts once because I actually bothered to find the quotes from store managers who said that they had to SCALE BACK on selling fresh produce because……black customers wouldn’t buy it. Another quote from a leftist counted that only 1 black person in 20 had fresh produce in their cart. Yet tried to blame the lack of demand on the lack of “selection”. Because black people just will NOT buy vegetables and fruit if they can’t have kiwi or arugula. Nope, not tomatoes, not potatoes, not bananas. That’s their story. Also, I handly found Google Street Views of Mexican fruit stores with fruit sitting right out in the street which, well, where is that desert exactly??? In your MINDS.

    • The Right Fight

      Food and diet are obviously a part of culture.

      I don’t mind anyone picking their choice of diet, and I don’t really mind that many people seem to make poor choices (compared to my own biased opinion).

      But I think it’s ridiculous that politicians and citizens would argue “equality” on one hand and then, on the other hand, try to create an inequality based upon race or ethnicity (or religion, or whatever).

      It really shouldn’t matter if a bunch of “white people” show up at Trader Joe’s or if a bunch of “black people” show up at Safeway or Kroger’s.

      Seriously … isn’t it time those “anti-racist” politicians and community organizers stop proclaiming that what everyone else does is “racist”? They sound like an Aryan Nations web site … proclaiming that everything the “others” do is an attack on God and Country.

      Trader Joe’s in a “minority” neighborhood … why not?

      Let the marketplace decide if that is a good business idea.

      If it’s good for the shoppers, then the business will prosper.

      The political activists should shut up and go home.

      • John

        This is exactly how white communities talked about black people during the early to mid 1900s so….revenge I guess. Be racist towards white people and keep them out of their neighborhoods. But the funny thing is the idea that white people will bring UP the neighborhood and so…..black people don’t want that. The irony. Might prevent them from getting food stamps? What?

        • The Right Fight

          LOL … I’ve heard of people being “uppity”, but never “downity”.

          I suppose it’s possible, but it doesn’t make much sense to me.

          Why would anybody want to help folks who are “downity” … except maybe the government agencies that exist to help people stay in poverty?

  • John

    I think it’s amusing that the charge is that the company is racist for wanting to serve black people, when it used to be the exact opposite – you were racist for NOT wanting to serve black people. You just can’t win in America anymore.

  • timfromla

    Here is the FULL story: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/12/portland_african_american_lead.html. Here we go again, big government using a corporation to stomp on the people and kick the working people out.

    • John

      Right. Because economic development, construction and jobs are a kick in the teeth to people on welfare. Not sure how increased economic activity kicks out workers though. Seems to me it’s non-workers that get the boot.

      • timfromla

        So here’s a better offer, keep government off the backs of the people, allow them to make a coop farm, let them work the lands and sell their fruits and vegetables and make money…and pay taxes too.l

        Oh and speaking of welfare, more white folks than blacks are on welfare

        • LTE2

          “Oh and speaking of welfare, more white folks than blacks are on welfare”
          .
          I am so glad you pointed this out. That really explains this Portland neighborhood’s problem, doesn’t it?
          .
          “allow them to make a coop farm, let them work and sell their fruits and vegetables and make money”
          .
          Maybe PAALF would be better off teaching them how to do that instead of chasing away a business?

          • timfromla

            I am so glad you pointed this out. That really explains this Portland neighborhood’s problem, doesn’t it?

            Yup.

            I am so glad you pointed this out. That really explains this Portland neighborhood’s problem, doesn’t it?

            Maybe it’s time the people took control of their own lands and not corporations

          • LTE2

            “Maybe it’s time the people took control of their own lands and not corporations”
            .
            You still have to do the work. Coming out with a list of demands is not doing the needed productive work.

          • timfromla

            So maybe it’s time for the community to start a community farm, get the tax breaks afforded to corporations and start selling to the communities as well as the supermarkets. Imagine getting people who have business degrees, have a business plan, create a vision and mission statement, take out a low interest loan, hire people to work and manage the farm and then make a profit for the community?

            They can start a “B” corporation and create income for the people…thus keeping the profit in the community and not ship it back some 2500 miles to bentonville Arkansas.

            Your thoughts?

          • LTE2

            “Your thoughts?”
            .
            Constructive and useful and far better than the solution PAALF cooked up.
            .
            Farms in many states get nice tax breaks, in New Jersey, it doesn’t take much at all to get a tax break for farms there.
            .
            They may not have to form a corporation, it could be set up as a non profit. I would assume as long as they do not dramatically undercut their competition, this shouldn’t present a problem.
            .
            Biggest problem might be to get a business school graduate to lead such an operation. Banks and high tech are much more sexy as employment options.
            .
            Anyway, in the US, there is room for corporate type farms as well as small co-ops types. I am sure if the people who work the farm are part owners, they will have not only a vested interest, they may accept the lower wage farming many times pay in exchange for a cut of the profits.

          • timfromla

            Then instead of just complaining on both sides, we need to bring it up…like we’re doing here. As for banks, there are credit unions and small community banks.

            Also, you ever tried to start a 501(c)(4)? Too much paperwork, a “B” corp is a lot easier and 40% of the profit goes to a nonprofit. The other 60% is taxed at a lower rate.

            Time to go up to Oregon and share the idea. Maybe I’ll contact the local Unitarian Universalist church and get them to work it.

          • John

            It’s not their land.

        • Tom223

          That’s an interesting idea. What’s stopping you from starting a coop farm?

        • John

          There’s absolutely nothing standing in the way of them making a coop farm except, oh, $500,000. But they don’t want to pay for the land, they expect it to be given to them, which will then go to waste.

          Speaking of welfare, you’re WRONG.

          http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

          More blacks are on welfare than whites. FURTHER, black people are SIX TIMES more likely to be on welfare.

          • timfromla

            Uh, did you see who took the report? Try a more reputable source like the New York Times:

            http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/who-benefits-from-the-safety-net/

            And is it bad that white folks are on welfare? Even Wal Mart is pissed that the Republicans are cutting food stamp:

            Wal-Mart: Food stamp cuts to hit profits
            http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/31/news/companies/walmart-food-stamps/

            Wal Mart relies on white folks being on food stamps, why? Because the more money white people spend, the more profit they make.

          • John

            Your “reputable source” conflates programs like social security and medicare with welfare. They are different things. I’m talking about just welfare, getting paid to not work.

          • timfromla

            Uh, with all the welfare cuts, how does one survive? Really? Also Social Security is a supplement to welfare if you are disabled or retired. Medicare is a supplement to Medicaid, so the stats you see is just one aspect.

            Also, how many able-bodied people do you know does not want to work and make more than $200 a month? Blacks? Apparently, the posters think so, but still, whites use more of the social service than blacks…because the whites are in the majority in the U.S. Ain’t white privilege great?

          • John

            But even if you take ANY of your stats, the rate of black usage is higher to a LOT higher than that of whites. Except maybe SS as it is a universal program.

            Also, the pay equivalency in most states is now higher than minimum wage and over $20/hour in many states. So why would one bother to work? Ain’t black privilege great?

          • timfromla

            Actually, where social services are concerned, blacks and Hispanics use the less.

      • SmartPatriot

        John see my above post, it is not that ” economic development, construction and jobs are a kick in the teeth to people on welfare”, but historically gentrification has not favored blacks or the poor in general, so the suspicion of such a move by Trader Joe’s as seen through that lens is understandable I will give you that this probably is not the company to make this stand against, trader Joe’s is not wal mart. Also Timfomnia is correct, there are many more white people on welfare than black, however the whites on welfare are not as easily demonized and marginalized as being ‘the problem”

        • John

          Gentrification means that anyone who works will be better off an anyone who doesn’t will be worse off. But why should people who are lazy take away job and opportunity from those who want it? I guess if you’re on welfare, you want to keep the rent low, not get off welfare and get a job.

          Tim is NOT correct. There are more black on welfare – 40% compared to 39%. But blacks are 6x more likely to be on it as well.

          • SmartPatriot

            Wrong John, for starters given the fact that blacks are only 13.1% of the U S population, by definition more whites are on welfare if for no other reason there are more OF them. that is not debatable. with respect to whites one could make the argument that proportionately compared to the percentage of whites on welfare the percentage of blacks is higher,and there are many socio- economic reasons for that as well. That however in no way means that there are MORE blacks on welfare than whites.

            Gentrification does NOT mean that anyone who works will be better off, if rents go up beyond what those who already live there can afford and they are pushed out as a result, they are NOT better off. You also probably believe that everyone who is poor, is so because they are “lazy” that has been dis proven time and time again, that is not opinion, it is fact. there are many cultural and socio -economic factors in play when it comes to poverty for both whites and blacks. The REASON that some would reject the idea of such a store coming into their community is BECAUSE that with it often comes a change in the cost of living there because of clientele that it brings as well.

            Im not saying that these people are right to oppose Trader Joe’s, what I AM saying is that there is a historical context to their fear of such change. When gentrification happens often those who make less than the young professionals etc who move in are forced out because they cannot afford the neighborhood anymore, and in many cases are not wanted there by the new residents. we can go back and forth all day long but the reality that it is just not as simple and bumper sticker ready as saying ” If you’re poor its your own fault”, that is just idiotic.

          • John

            Well, you’d better contact the government and you tell them that their internal stats are wrong. The only way whites outnumber blacks is when you add in hispanics. 40% on welfare are black. 39% are white. This is the stat from January 2014, in which the number of blacks on welfare has finally surpassed the number of whites. So cling to your old stats all you want, or call the government and complain, but either way, the rate of black welfare is 6x that of whites.

            Americans are lazy. That’s why they all want government jobs. People aren’t typically poor because they are lazy, but because they are from a dysfunctional family and live around dysfunctional people.

            No, idiotic is preventing Trader Joe’s from opening a store, providing fresh produce and healthy food and then complaining about no jobs.

  • Maranatha

    I got no beef with Trader Joe’s, all considered, they do a helluva job of taking care of their employees … better than some of this WalMart mess we got out here. I think the problem is Black people watching their own neighborhoods turn whiter and whiter because they can’t get business loans to do business in their own neighborhoods, that also being a devisement of racism and bias in the lending industry, one of the causes of predatory lending and the crash of the US economy.

    Somebody had to take a stand.

    Those who started the “rip off the black folks” predatory lending schematic got a serious wake-up call on how interrelated Black America is to the rest of the nation, so ditching them by using their desire to own homes screwed Wall Street bad.

    They ended up getting a taste of their own medicine. That oughta learn ‘em.

    In the meantime, I think Trader Joe’s is a good company. The problem comes in when folks start thinking Black folks should be ‘grateful’ for something that is just using them as eternal consumers instead of owners and keepers, which just keeps the same old cycle of poverty going and does nothing more than inflate the welfare roles for working people.

    • LTE2

      “Black folks should be ‘grateful’ for something that is just using them as eternal consumers instead of owners and keepers,”

      .
      Then the Black folk better start up some businesses. PAALF seems better at opinions on how it should be done than instead of showing how it is done.

      • Maranatha

        Then the white lenders with the loans they so easily give to Asians, other whites, Mexicans, and Pakistanis better start treating Black folks who apply for business loans the same as they do everyone else who opens businesses in their neighborhoods.

        • LTE2

          “Then the white lenders with the loans”
          .
          Going about 350 years or quoting Malcom X won’t get you those loans.
          .
          Maybe if groups like PAALF devoted their energies to things like finance development and pushing for micro loans, the black community might advance.

        • Tom223

          That is just an excuse. “we can’t make it because no one will give us money.” It doesn’t work that way. The bank never loans money unless they can get a pound of flesh. Besides I’m sure it wouldn’t bee too hard to find some government legislation that favors a Black person getting a loan over me as an evil white male. Maybe we should change up the names a bit. We can stop using black and white and say something like “Saintly Victims” and for whites we can just call them the “Evil Americans”. Wow. I’m glad I finally got that figured out.

    • Michael Lotfi

      You do realize that the government did this correct? Not Wall Street. In fact, the Clinton administration made it illegal to NOT give them houses and thus moral hazard was born into the market.

      • Maranatha

        And the result was what? Are you actually saying what it sounds like you are saying? That it should have been ILLEGAL for Black people to buy HOMES in their own damned country with their own DAMNED money? Is that what you are saying? I certainly hope not.

        • Dan

          No, what he’s saying is that it should never have been legal to give those who have bad credit the biggest debt that anyone will ever have in their lives. The American Dream isn’t handed out, it’s earned.

          • Maranatha

            Then I wonder why what Black people EARNED ended up becoming a “dream” for everyone else, and a nightmare for the ones who actually did the earning for everyone else’s dreams to come true.

            There was no “dream,” or even any equitable laws or constitutional rights for anyone who didn’t have white skin in THIS country. Didn’t ever happen.

            Still hasn’t.

            Knowing this country’s history, it never will. Unless more Black people do what these people did and demand to be treated the same as white business owners in a white neighborhood, or Asians and Mexicans in Asian and Mexican neighborhoods.

            All your words do is prove that the folks who kicked Trader Joe’s out are right to do so.

            There’s a bigger picture here and maybe you don’t want to see it because you also think Black folks should continue in the frame of reference and context in which white America placed it 522 years ago.

          • Tom223

            Net Worth of some prominent Black Americans
            Oprah $2.7 Billion – primarily from white America.
            Sean Combs $550 million.
            Robert Johnson $550 million
            Tiger Woods $500 million
            Michael Jordan $500 million
            Magic Johnson $500 million
            Jay-Z $460 million
            Bill Cosby $450 million
            Sheila Johnson $400 million
            Tyler Perry $350 million
            What a racist country – clearly there is no way for a black person to make it in this evil white place. Note that they made it happen, it wasn’t handed to them.

          • Jake77

            You are talking extremes of wealth and poverty. The vast majority of Ameircans whether they be White, Black or any other race don’t fit into that category.

          • Jake77

            What Black people Earned did not end up becoming a “dream” for everyone else. Drive across this country and look at the white poverty that abounds. They would not agree with you either. What have you personally earned that was taken from you and given to everyone else.

        • what.

          No, he is saying that it should be illegal to give people loans to buy things they cant afford.

        • Tom223

          It’s not your “own DAMNED money” if you are borrowing it. If it were your money you wouldn’t need a loan. Who’s spinning the truth?

      • SmartPatriot

        Actually no that is a right wing canard, from the same people who attempted to blame Barney Frank for the housing/financial crisis saying he caused it by “forcing the banks to give loans to people who couldnt afford them”,which is patently false. While the Clinton administration did make it illegal to refuse qualified buyers on the basis of say color, it did not in any way force the banks to have to give a house to someone unqualified, the banks did that all on their own by allowing 100% financing, zero closing cost loans where buyers walked away with money, at closing, or by encouraging people who can only afford a $200,000 home to buy a $500,000 home because at the incredibly low interest rate the payment would be within their budget, not clearly mentioning that when said loan rate “adjusts” their mortgage would go up in some cases exponentially. Banks did this because “WALL STREET” WAS selling those same loans as “mortgaged backed securities”, while at the same time betting against them by taking out insurance against their inevitable default, hence the term “Credit default swaps”, of course the poor dopes who bought the homes at the lower rate could not afford them when their rates adjusted, and there is your housing crisis. The standards for loans became drastically lowered by banks because wall street was making so much money off of this cycle that they began pushing the banks for more loans, and more aggressive loans at that. THAT was “moral hazard”. So nice try once again blaming the poor for all societal ills but the reality is that it was wall street, combined with unsophisticated/greedy buyers that caused the crisis but that does not fit neatly on a bumper sticker or into a ten second sound bite to be easily digested by our A D D society.

        Having said that, in this case the community might be cutting its nose to spite it’s face. Someone else said ” since when is economic development a bad thing”? well traditionally when it comes to gentrification, blacks and the poor in general, have ended up with the short end of the stick so the mistrust of a move like this as seen through that lens become a bit more understandable however this is probably not the company to make that stand against.

        • Tom223

          The government passes the laws that control the behavior of the banks. No one person (Barney Frank) is responsible for what happened but Barney did not remotely do his job pretending like nothing was wrong when it definitely was. He was in charge and had his responsibilities which he did not fulfill.

          • SmartPatriot

            Right so you think after some forty years of deregulation particularly in the financial sector, starting with Reagan, continuing under HW Bush,Clinton then accelerating under W. and hundreds of financial sector lobbyist covering Washington like locusts, all of which led to the practice of these bankers making billions, ONE MAN: Barney Frank should have been able to stop it all?. that is just not realistic.

          • Tom223

            That’s not what I said. He was responsible for oversite and should have said something as it was his job to do so. Instead he just said all was ok and shrugged his shoulders when the mess came crashing down. He had his responsibility and failed. Doesn’t matter what the other asses did he still failed. 5 wrongs don’t make a right.

          • SmartPatriot

            No, you DID say “Barney did not remotely do his job pretending like nothing was wrong
            when it definitely was. He was in charge and had his responsibilities
            which he did not fulfill” which indicates a belief that he didnt do something that he could have, to stop it, and simply put youre wrong. Look im not saying “Barney frank was infallible”, there is more than enough blame to go around, Hank Paulson is a huge factor, Greenspan an even larger one who fought for both deregulation and championed the soundness of derivatives as investments. The bottom line being that Lotfi’s initial statement about Clinton being to blame for creating moral Hazard by making it illegal NOT to give loans to those who were not qualified aka the poor, is fiction, period, just not true.

          • Tom223

            It’s still a true statement. Frank did not remotely do his job. The amount of packaging and trading the banks did for just one year prior to the crash was a huge portion of the problem. He could have slowed or stopped those actions if he had just said something. You may think he didn’t have that much power, look at what happened to IndyMac bank. One politician makes an unfounded remark and they suddenly are bankrupt. None of those government people who allowed this mess are responsible for this mess. Including Paulson and the presidents etc. etc. They all did it. As long as the politicians are bought and paid for by the bankers / corps there will be no true liberty and no honesty coming out of Washington from any party.

    • Tom223

      Wall Street did not get screwed. They lost money and the government just handed over billions in tax dollars so they could cover their losses. That’s what’s wrong with the government. They allow Wall Street and the bankers to make lots of money when the economy grows and when it crashes they just hand them our money. Wall Street can’t do any of this if government doesn’t allow it. Both Republicans and Democrats are responsible for this. They pretend to be looking out for the voters and all they really do is look out for the corporations and bankers that put them into office – Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty for this mess. And when the government prints and 85billion dollars out of thin air each month the poor get hurt the worst. They don’t give that money to the poor they give it to the rich corporations.

      • Maranatha

        Spin it any way you want to spin it, they stacked the chips so they could not lose no matter what happened.

        They walked off with the money invested, the properties, the government’s money, and their own, and now they really are, so they imagined themselves to be, “richer than God.”

        It was no accident, however, no matter which way you spin it. They got exactly what they wanted out of this, and the rest of us are paying for letting them do it to us.

        it’s called “Monopoly,” only Monopoly starts off with everybody on a level playing field. That never happened in this country. Ever.

        End Game.

        • John

          I just want to say that I feel like your attitude contributes more to the African American cultural situation than anything else…get over your race…you are a freaking American…act like it.

        • Tom223

          The most important point you are apparently missing is that it is the Democrats and Republican and our President that allow this to happen. Obama wanted the very thing you are speaking against. It starts with Elected officials who pass the laws and control the government checkbook. If everyone concentrates on the asses who profited they will miss the true demons behind the whole situation.

        • Jack Savage

          It starts out on a level playing field? Seriously? Where in the hell do you think the prospect of the American Dream came from? Billie Holiday, Booker T Washington, George Washington Carver, Althea Gibson, Alexander Lucius Twilight, Hiram Revels, James McCune Smith, Rebecca Lee Crumpler, Madame CJ Walker. These are people who brought themselves out of what ever rat hole they were in and went on to accomplish something. They didnt do it by whining about where they were, they focused on where they wanted to be.

          Race baiting is race baiting. It doesnt matter how you dress it up or try to soften it. I have many friends of all races and they say the second they hear an argument use Malcolm X or entitled, they flick their hearing switch off. These are people who came from the barrio, the ghetto, the white trash trailer parks, and went on to get Ivy League educations, own businesses, and make contributions to society.

          This would have provided jobs, end of discussion. Nothing else you can say about it. When an economy is as low as ours has gotten, this is a company that would have provided good jobs, healthy alternatives, and benefits. And yet, an African American group said they didnt want it in the community. Then maybe they should suffer the fates of other communities that turn down economic development, like Detroit (white and black), Chicago (black), West Charlestown WV (white). Shoot yourself in the foot, you should suffer the consequences.

          • Maranatha

            So stop race-baiting and being in denial about things as they currently are,

            Because if you’re coming through town with that “And you too can be George Washington Carver-Althea Gibson-Billie Holiday-Booker T Washington-Alexander Twilight-Hiram Revels-James McCune Smith-Rebecca Lee Crumpler-Martin Luther King Jr-Malcolm X-Madame CJ Walker-Harry Belafonte-Tyler Perry-Louis Farrakhan-Marcus Garvey-Haile Selassie-Oprah-Barack Obama-Chris Gardner” isht if you will only TRY harder, wish harder, think more positively … you, too, can probably think your way into being “John Wayne,” or at least one of Marian’s characters, or “Harry Callahan” or “Walker Texas Ranger,” yourself. Or maybe you think you can BE George Washington if you only wish hard enough; or perhaps you can reincarnate yourself into Ronald Reagan if you only blink twice, spin and twist, hop up and down on one foot, and wish real real hard. And don’t forget to close your eyes while you’re a-wishing or the magic may not work.

            GTFO.

            Barack Obama did ALL of it, exactly like he was told to do it, and all he’s gotten is racism tossed at him from Day 1.

            He’ll never get around to admitting it, but the rest of us already know what that race skunk looked like when it showed up to challenge him in January of 2009, birthers and all. I was “wishing” and “hoping” it wouldn’t happen, and it did, and all that did was confirmed the worst–brought to light what we already knew to be truth.

            In the meantime, back over here in the REAL WORLD, People are what they are and they shouldn’t try to be anyone else.

            God didn’t create all Black people to be THOSE Black people, and the sooner you get a truth about acceptance through your head, the better.

            I’m not Madame CJ Walker and I’m not trying to be. You think I should? Really? For what? You’re not Ronald Reagan and you never will be, you won’t even be elected President like a Barack Obama, so you can’t be gallavanting all over the place comparing all Black women to Whitney Houston and Beyonce and some other blinged out superstar that they will never be. They are they and we are we.

            If your little backwards “hope” dreams came true, all homeless people would be Chris Gardner and have good-paying jobs as brokers at EF Hutton or Edward Jones first thing in the morning. rrriiighhhttt.t…… LO-freakin-L! In the meantime, go sell that “hope in a bottle” to Barack Obama. To be sure, he’ll be right there with you. At least I think he still believes it; but it’s hard to tell these days. If he had any sense, he’d walk out, too. LOL!!!

            I gave up on this country a long time ago; and I ain’t the only one. I’m just one of the few who got off the plantation of James Crowe III Esquire and don’t have to be sitting around nodding my head in agreement about some isht that never happened.

            This country is the Great Whore of Babylon and it only took it what? 60 years to get to this point. The only greatness it ever had PRIOR TO THAT was what Black slaves built it into.

            Black people can’t even go to college, get three degrees and work for 20 years and surpass racism in this country; so the sooner you stop playing head games and being in denial about it while simultaneously race-baiting yourself, the better off you will be and the better-positioned to actually attack the ISSUE instead of me.

            if God had meant for us to be THEM, those whom He chose to do what they did; they’d be where we are instead of where they are/were.

            I can honestly admire those who were given their gifts and talents by God with a proper acknowledgement to the fact that 99% of the Black people in this world will NEVER be them and shouldn’t even attempt it. I will give them their respect for the innovations and the unction. It was predestined to be.

            Those are folks did what they did and got the eff on; it has nothing to do with me personally.

            They made history. I admire it, I respect it…but that is predestination, not self-determination. They were chosen and no amount of hard work or effort would have made them what they ended up being. God already had them pre-picked for their time and destiny, it was their job to do and they did it. I’m damned proud of ALL of them too.

            Everybody can’t do what they did and we are under no delusions about “secrets of the universe” and “powers of positive thinking.” If that were true, then everything people “think” about is theirs.

            You keep trying to put folks on that broken record bullshyt to try to draw attention from the fact that ACTION is the only thing that matters.

            Wishing, hoping, dreaming, planning … rrriiighhhhttt.

            The sooner you get around to accepting Black people for what God created them to be instead of trying to compare them to folks they weren’t meant to be, the more peace you will have in your own short-sighted tiny world.

            Maybe YOU need to take a closer look at those people you listed.

            Maybe they are telling YOU that Black people are a hayell of a lot smarter than you would never give them credit for. We may not fit into your delusions of grandeur, but we ain’t stupid either. Not the majority of us, though I have to admit, we got our ‘crazy’ just like you got yours.

            Go deal with them demons.

          • Jack Savage

            For someone who claims to be so educated, you sure do talk a might bit southern.

            I came from trailer park trash. Got good grades in school, went to the military, went to college. Went through college as a single parent raising three children. I worked hard, and I have a life that I want.

            The amazing part of all that crap you just wrote above, is it is just that, self loathing, self hating, country of your birth place (I assume you are an american) hating bullshit. If this country is so bad, I implore you, seek life elsewhere.

            Black people cant get three degrees and get past racism? Why is it such an inner city thing where I see the most racists (of all races)? I live across the street from a Hispanic, my backyard neighbor is black (and a small business owner in a predominantly white town … Ellijay, GA look it up). There are countless people in my town of all ethnicities, And yet, here I hear people again, telling me it cant be done. I tell anyone that says shit about racism or it cant be done, to try again.

            I went in the service as a racist, swastika on my arm and everything. I was partnered early on with a HUGE Haitian man from Washington DC. (That would NOW be my backyard neighbor). I have a Tazmanian devil on my arm covering that once atrocious symbol of hate, and it is in honor of that huge sailor, that pulled me out of more scrapes than I care to count. A man I took a bullet for, who took a knife for me. Who was there when my daughter was born, and who I am god father to his son.

            You cant read so much past your own hatred (The US is the Whore of Babylon)? That you dont realize that I wasnt saying BE those people, but rather BE LIKE those people. Their race did not define them. Their intelligence did, their contributions to this country, defined who they were and how they are looked at. You are allowing your own piteous view of your environment to define who you are. You are defining yourself as a racist, no one else. When you finally realize that you are responsible for your own place in this world. Maybe then the negativity can stop.

          • Jack Savage

            The saddest part of being a racist is, when you come from a family that has every ethnicity in America, under one roof.

          • Maranatha

            Yeah yeah yeah … the only time they do is when they stay out of white-controlled jobs and resort to teaching, nursing, funeral homes and hair/barber shops or decide to become “token Negroes.”

            I’m free to say it, I’m retired; and most of them are still working and can’t weigh in. Yet.

            I will say this, respect your elders … the south raised this dad-blamed country.

            When I say what I say, I’m done with it and nothing you say or do is going to change it.

            You can’t change facts to fit your own agenda. It is what it is.

            Yeah, yeah “Go to Iraq.” “Go Back to Africa.” “Go to another country.” I’ll sit my arss right here and keep doing what I’m doing and there ain’t isht you can do about it.

            I’ve never set foot outside of this country to so much as visit Canada, Mexico, or the Virgin Islands, so if you’ve been outside of it, I’m more American than you are. Traitor.

            I’ll give you another clue: I’m Scots-Irish, too. Them baby daddies that upped and left their Black children abandoned and deserted on those plantations and farms didn’t lend much credibility to anything you are saying, or attempting to say. Catch that “southern bop” and deal with it.

            Effin’ southern and proud and I wasn’t even born in the south. I was born in Colorado, now say something evil about them just because that’s where I’m from.

            But that’s what you get for making assumptions and telling people what to think in places you can’t even go and will never see or experience for yourself.

            Unlike you, I’ve seen it ALL; not just my white side — but hayell, if I was white, you’d love the FANTASTIC truth coming from “Scarlett O’Hara”. You people really need to stop watching TV and movies.

            There are actually real Black people who don’t live in the fantasy in your head.

          • Jack Savage

            You are more American are you? I am a traitor? Where are your discharge papers? Your enlistment papers? Please, we can compare pedigrees, I dont have one bit of a problem with that. Because I stepped outside of this country to serve it? Seriously? I am one percent of the one percent, retired military. Served alongside members of all races, and proud of everyone of them to call them my brothers.

            Grow up (yes grow the hell up), get over your ignorant and immature self, you are what is wrong with America these days, the entitlement section of this country, no matter the color. White on welfare, black on welfare, doesnt matter to me, get off your ass and work.

            You are no American I would stand beside. Glad that you could show your ignorance.

            Southern, you dont even come close. You talk nothing of self reliance, just self hatred. Im a third generation American. A white Hispanic (you know, those that came over here cause Franco was killing off whomever opposed him).

            I work with three men that are more dark than I, they work as Data Center Operating Engineers, and I guarantee you they are not the “token blacks” They are here cause they are intelligent, innovative and worked their asses off to get here. One is my boss.

            Sorry, reading your input just makes me sad for this country. Division, is how a country falls. I have seen it. I dont give a rats ass if you are pink, brown, or yello with purple polka dots. You are still a racist, and thats a fact you cant change. Period, end of discussion. No one alive today is responsible for what happened 200 years ago. Just like none of YOUR African ancestors that sold other Africans into slavery are alive and responsible. Grow up, get your cranium removed from your posterior, and help fix whats wrong with the country. not make it worse. All you do is perpetuate hate. You can call it what you want. You are why people think they need to play the race card. To be honest, I am so glad my mother gave her life for her partner, to show ignorant people that race doesnt matter. She didnt see black or white. She saw only American. And taught her son a very valuable lesson in the process.

    • what.

      helluva _ is not an actual word
      You don’t learn’em…. you teach them
      How on earth does developing a piece of land, that has sat empty, and providing jobs to a community hurt any one or race?
      Is this an actual argument and theory people believe????

    • Daryn

      Marantha….if you want to be mad at who “ripped off” black folks, it’s time to look in the mirror. It’s attitudes like your own that are holding blacks down. Are you even aware that it was blacks that sold blacks into slavery and that the first American slave owner was BLACK?
      This store would have helped blacks earn 75K but of course, you’re happy it got shot down. That really helps blacks save up to own those stores you want to be black owned doesn’t it? And yes……..the city SHOULD be grateful that someone was willing to come in and give jobs on a parcel of land that brings ZERO income, zero tax income, etc. Trader Joes would have brought millions in the long run compared to the ZERO it’s collected the past 5 years sitting vacant.
      You should really think about what you want to write before doing it because the only thing shining brightly through is your racism.

    • john doe

      Name one ALL black neighborhood where there are all black business owners who are thriving, the neighborhood has very little to no crime, good schools, two parent family’s who take their children to school, etc.? You can’t because it doesn’t exist.

      Getting more black business owners will not change the behavior of many blacks in black neighborhoods, that ruin it for the blacks who have been raised with respect, dignity, self control, strong values, morals and ethics.
      It starts in the home. That’s the root of the problem.

  • deejayaz

    Idiots come from all races.

    Wouldn’t want a thriving and growing business, that takes good care of employees and customers, to bring revenue and jobs to a neighborhood.

  • Maranatha

    Hate to say it, (NOT) but it’s long past overdue that some Black neighborhood took the “big hit” and took a stand and said we want Black-owned businesses in our neighborhoods just like you have white-owned ones in yours.

    Keeping Black people on this eternal consumer hamster wheel doesn’t do any of us a bit of good, and if that means losing a Trader Joe’s in the meantime…so be it.

    WE need to be owners, investors, and producers and JOB CREATORS, and we should have the opportunity to do it in our own neighborhoods just like they do.

    All this is doing is taking us right where Malcolm X said it was going to end up anyway. We’re watching his words come to life. How many Black folks haven’t figured out by now that integration, while not an entirely bad thing, led to assimilation and all assimilation to white America did was kill our ambition and work ethic and continued to allow others to eat at the tables that we had prepared and weren’t able to eat from ourselves.

    America GOT rich on our backs, and we look up and can’t get a business loan, and get ridiculed for SOME OF US being on welfare, as if there is an issue with us NOT wanting to forever remain nothing more than consumer slaves and plantation workers on someone else’s welfare job.

    Hayell, white welfare recipients eat on our tax dime and I don’t hear a peep about there being a problem with that. But I digress because of folks who love pretending like Black folks don’t pay taxes and all the people on welfare are Black. Even if that were true, it’s EARNED welfare…paid for IN FULL about 350 years before any of us were born.

    • Tom223

      It seems you are under the impression that most business owners were handed a pile of cash to start a business. This is not true. In most cases people pinch the pennies and when they save enough they risk it all on starting a new business. And most of them fail within the first 3 years. This myth that it is just given to white people is insulting. People save and risk it all for years and work 16 hour days to make a go of it and if they ever do make it and are successful they get to be treated like some sort of criminal or racist because they were successful.
      The banks care about their own profits. The politicians care about their own reelection and if a person or a community wants to improve their economic situation in life they need to figure out how to do it on their own. That is how it has always worked in America. The myth that the black population seems to have accepted is that you can’t achieve success because someone else wont hand it to you. Nobody will ever hand it to you. It has to be made on one’s own two feet.

      • K

        I’d like this 1000 times if I could.

    • Tom223

      You give yourselves too much credit. The percentage of blacks is not that high. You think the German, Irish emigrants who outnumber the black population by a huge amount didn’t contribute to “America GOT rich on our backs”. You can’t get rich off of a population that costs trillions of dollars to keep alive. The Democrats have spent the past 50 years convincing the black population that the reason they are economically depressed is because of all the racism of the white people. That was very true for a long time in this country but when the Republicans pushed Civil rights legislation in Washington – despite Democrat efforts to stop them – things were changing. Now Black America had the greatest opportunity for equality and economic success. The Democrat party saw votes and did not want Black America to be independent. So they passed welfare laws that would break up the Black family. And convinced those same people that they could never make it on their own but rather needed the Democrat politicians to make it ahead in the world. Well guess what the Democrats have been telling that same lie for over 50 years and unfortunately Black America has for the most part bought into it. You want to succeed it must first be realized that depending on politicians to create wealth and success is pure folly. You have to do it on your own and as a community.

      • john doe

        Exactly. Many blacks are taught to play victim. They’rte a victim of society, of the system, of government, of the police, education system, etc. It’s everyone else’s fault but their own.

        I don’t see Jews playing victim, the Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis… only blacks do this and they do it frequently. Not saying all blacks have this mindset but a lot do. And they think the only slaves during the history were blacks. Very uneducated and uninformed to say the least.

    • Randy Clemens

      If you don’t want a Trader Joe’s at that spot, fine. Make way for another liquor store, pawn shop or “pay-day lender”. Those are the businesses that prey upon everyone – not Trader Joe’s.

      • Maranatha

        They’s white, too. We could never figure out why white folks won’t build liquor stores in their own neighborhoods, but come to Black neighborhoods to buy their liquor and drugs. Why is that, especially since they are the ones planting it there in the first place? Why not move your drug-liquor-ripoff isht into your own neighborhoods and let those who want it come to YOUR neighborhoods to purchase, especially since nobody but white folks are profiting off that, either.

        • Tom223

          You think a business owner decides where to put up a store based on skin color. They put the store where they think people will buy their product. You are ignorant and there is not much that can be done about that when you have developed hate for white people.

        • Randy Clemens

          Marantha – also, if you look within a 2-mile radius of most military bases’ main gates, you’ll find liquor stores, pawn shops and “payday” lenders. It’s typical of business owners with money who prey upon those with little income.

          Do I think TJ’s falls into that category? Of course not. I think, if built and staffed correctly for the demographic, TJ’s would be an excellent pillar of the community – no matter the color of the CEO’s skin.

          I’m not naive and I don’t live in a vacuum – I understand the concerns you bring forth. The possibility of changing the socioeconomic dynamic of the community has been a concern for decades.

          It’s situations like this that everyone needs to shed philosophy and grab a hold of pragmatism. Toss the theory in the garbage basket and create a common sense solution.

        • Coontaquantaqunitay X

          I’ve yet to see a Specs in da’ hood. Those ‘white business owners’ are smart enough not to put their liquor store where black crackheads will rob it.

    • Devin

      You must not understand how incredibly ignorant and racist you sound. A piece of advice that might help you here: stop identifying with the black race and identify with the human race.

      • Maranatha

        Once your racist arss disappears and there IS a human race, I will. But not ONE SECOND before that happens will I EVER budge.

        You can fool some of the Black people most of the time, but you can’t fool all of us 24/7.

        When I see white people stop ‘identifying with the white race’ and ACTING human, you’ll see me driving that train.

        Until then, I’m dealing with what is … not what you want ME to see.

        Throw the brick and hide your hand all you want. I got tricked by that little “human race” lie before. It’ll never happen again. EVER.

        • Devin

          That’s sad. Btw, I do identify with the human race. Not white people. Mainly because i’m not white…

        • Devin

          As long as you hold a grudge and aggression in your heart then you have nobody to blame but yourself for not rising to bigger and better things. Blaming other people for your own shortcomings will keep you and ‘your people’ from ever getting out of the ghettos. Btw, it was black Africans that enslaved other tribes and sold them to the Europeans for use on plantations in America, but African Americans found a way to blame whites for that… …again.

          • Maranatha

            Sounds to me like you got a grudge with people who tell the truth.

            This isn’t about “white-blaming,” this is about truth-telling. You can’t twist the facts to fit your own personal agenda no way no how.

            In the meantime, we got history books, scientific evidence, BOATLOADS of news reports, statistics, analytical reports on the effects and impact of racism, the psychological trauma of consistently being subjected to it — and being as to how Black people are the creators of the ENTIRE HUMAN race, beginning with Africa; your assumptions about who I’m “blaming” are fallacious and erroneous, to say the least. I know what role WE play in it, and that’s continuing to play footsies with those who have told us in no uncertain terms for 522 years what they think of us and what they would like to see happen to us in the long term.

            Ain’t nobody blind to all that, no matter how badly you wish it was. Then Barack Obama gets elected President and all the stuff we’ve been saying about this country from the very start comes to life right in front of our eyes. There it is. In living color, blueray AND 4D.

            We’re the ones who invented all that “Human Race,” “Kumbaya,” “Peace in the Middle East,” “Colors of the Rainbow,” “America is a Nation of Immigrants,” “We Shall Overcome,” “Heal the World,” “USA for Africa,” “We’re All God’s Children” stuff in the first place.

            You might want to talk to those who have refused to hear all of that noise coming out of Black people’s mouths from Day One; not me.

            You aiming at the messenger instead of attacking the MESSAGE.

            In the meantime, ahma do what I do UNTIL IT ENDS.

            When there IS no such thing as racism any more, when Black people are treated the same in the courts, in the schools, in the workplace, in the business arena, it ends, AND NOT ONE SECOND SOONER.

            You can’t mess with the demons in my yard when Satan’s Annual Self-Esteem & Planning for the Future in America Conference is hanging out sunning, tanning and eating watercress sandwiches and munching foie gras in your own.

          • Devin

            Arguing with you is pointless. You’re just another bigot with blinders on. I feel bad for you in a way…

          • Maranatha

            Your own bigotry is telling on you.

            You got a problem with Black folks who are tired of being consumers and wage slaves.

            I don’t feel bad for you. It’s typical and EXPECTED behavior. Nothing changes no matter what WE do to change it.

            Sounds like SOMEBODY finally got tired of the typical bullshyt. Good for them.

            You’re having this “virtual argument” with the wrong person. Education counts and I have one. I know the history of this long-term BS. Not just the part you want us to see in that tiny little “Black shoebox” neatly packed away in the corner of your brain.

            Tell me, is it hard trying to keep 60-70 million Black people crammed into that little small tiny space that they occupy in your little race-obsessed head?

            Take it to your own folks who like leveraging Black folks for money and then don’t want to REinvest in that which feeds you. Maybe they will cry with you; I’m sure they are “feeling your pain.”

            You’re not a racist, you just don’t like the idea that Black people can’t be controlled with that small-minded isht any more.

    • Shaquisha

      Welfare has not been paid for in full by anyone. In case you haven’t heard, our current welfare system is actually running on a deficit. That means that everyone paying taxes now is paying for the people currently receiving welfare. I understand that what happened to the black Americans during the days of slavery and civil persecution were wrong, but I didn’t commit those atrocities, and I never would have, so I don’t thing it’s my responsibility or burden to have to make up for what old white bigots did over 350 years ago…

    • Ryan

      lol @ Paid in full. If you propose that we give credit to specific races for the efforts of their forefathers, which many racist black people do, I GUARANTEE you would not like the equitable distribution of the “earnings.” Which race created this country and fought for independence? Which race’s ingenuity and ideology created this great democratic nation? If you want to talk about contributions and who “deserves” anything, you might want to remember that your race’s contributions to this nation only began to be seen in the last century.

      The beginning of your post was well put and I agree with it. When large corporations only provide low level jobs and deny the operation of similar local businesses it is often not a good thing for that community. However, I lost all respect for your argument when you, and any other racist, suggest that today’s white people somehow “owe” black people and should give them money from their pockets and the food from their tables. Everyone, white or otherwise, is sad that there was slavery of black AND WHITE people in the past. The fact that black racists these days try to take advantage of this feeling to get what they want is pathetic.

    • john doe

      Opening a Trader Joe’s in a black neighborhood is a great thing. That means blacks can get jobs and eat healthier food instead of Popeye’s chicken or McDonald’s every day. But you can;t see this because of your agenda you feel a need to push which has caused you to have tunnel vision.

      Yes, you are right, you (blacks) need to be business owners BUT many choose not to. You think because a predominantly white neighborhood has pretty much all or all white business owners means they chose to not allow any blacks to buy/start a business in that neighborhood?? That thinking right there tells others how you are one to look at everything as an issue of race if you don’t like something.

      I see you also don’t know history. You think blacks were the only slaves… Irish were owned by the Brits and had it much worse.. every race/ethnicity has been enslaved at some point in history. Do you know that Arabs are the biggest slave owners of blacks throughout history and right now, today, in 2014, there are over 200,000 black slaves in Sudan that are owned by Arabs? Of course you don’t because it’s clear you are someone who only parrots what others have taught (brainwashed) you to be true and you never actually took time to research, learn and find that much of what you are saying is incorrect/propaganda.

      So you equate blacks to being on welfare as people who ‘choose’ not to get a job and actually work for what they get because you think they are being enslaved by the ‘white man’???

      And you think there is a vault somewhere with loads of money to give out to welfare recipients? Whose money do you think that is? The governments? haha. It’s taxpayers. EARNED welfare? They didn’t earn a dime of it. And I used to be on welfare but welfare is there just to help you through a hard time, not make a career out of collecting money from those who work their asses off. Understand something, the government cannot never give to those that do not have without taking from those that have. This is a fact. Please educate yourself.

      A little history lesson here for you – do you know that the KKK was predominantly made up of Democrats and Republicans tried to abolish slavery and Democrats tried to block it 6 times, yet blacks continue to vote Democrat and you’re still poor. Why? Because they enslave you to get your votes. Do you know that Abe Lincoln was a Republican? Of course you don’t because you’ve been fed lies and you believe them because it suits your narrative.

      The liberal wants to put people on welfare, which is not set up to help people get off of it but it’s now a life long career for many. They want minorities and now Mexican immigrants to depend on the government so in return you vote for them. The conservative wants to try to help you not go on welfare by allowing small businesses to be created, providing the government gets the hell out of the way, which Obama does not want to do.

      Please do lots of research before you show just how ignorant you really are. And no, I am not a conservative but if I associated myself with any party, it sure wouldn’t be liberal/progressive.

      P.S.- In the end, Malcolm X retracted much of what he believed because he realized his ideology was wrong. Research it. ;)

      • Robert49

        Don’t forget all the liquor stores, payday and car title loans that seem to be concentrated in black communities. Heck no, can’t have a business that provides opportunity for high paying jobs and healthy low priced food for the black community. Does not seem they want betterment for their community to me!

    • Hard worker/Makes his own way

      You didn’t earn anything and your great great grandparents would be ashamed at you claiming you can ride off of their coattails. Have some self respect and earn your own way.

    • Ariel Rainault

      I believe welfare is used by many nationalities…for you to think is it is just white and black is narrow minded. I think it is an issue that people are so reliant on welfare and also brag about it. PEOPLE like that are destroying everything that every activist against segregation fought for. Seriously! A bigger picture is here. You need to stop thinking you are so entitled because the misunderstanding is arrogant people tend to think they are entitled and the people suppressing you want you to believe these are entitlements when really it is our rights being taken because of greedy assholes. They are not entitlements they are rights and if you look at the world today it is all about diversity. Not going to get very far with a one way view!

    • Robert49

      Hey why don’t you go rant to the black youth of your community and tell them to quit acting like jackassess, get their education and possibly further their education at the college level and then get the skills needed to start a business and make it prosper. Therefore creating jobs for the people in your community. Give a man bread and he will starve but teach him how to grow his own wheat, then he will never starve!

    • john doe

      Watch a number of David Caroll’s videos and you’re learn a great deal about of what’s wrong with blacks and black communities.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QU1r6WmsYQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UU1g1imYIlcjt47kuHjlBzZA

  • Mickey

    I don’t get it, this doesn’t make any sense. They are the highest paying grocery store chain. How does that not benefit the human race? Why does everything always have to be a black and white thing? Stop with the drama and just enjoy the job opportunity.. damn we will take the jobs out here in CT if you don’t want them in YOUR neighborhood. Clearly ungratefulness comes in all colors.

  • SHOTGUN285

    “contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement of the African American community.”

    Translation: We don’t want whitey moving into our neighborhood and risk diluting the solid lock we have on the black voters. We prefer to keep them trapped in a cycle of poverty and victimhood so we can keep them voting for us indefinitely.

    • Draken

      More typically the gerrymandering process is used to ensure that the black vote is either suppressed, or so concentrated that one seat is lost despite a significantly larger minority community. I can’t deny the possibility that a local district wants to control the ‘black vote’ but again historically it is more likely used to repress then promote.

    • Dee Dee

      You are aware the mayor is white, no?

      • Devin

        That doesn’t mean he isn’t going after the black vote.

        • Dee Dee

          This person said, “we don’t want whitey moving in so they can keep voting for us”. Voting for who? Whitey’s? Again, the mayor, the governor, the senator, all of the commissioners and the city auditor are white, so it’s a bit confusing.

          • Robert49

            Please explain in some detail what the state governor and state legislators have to do with a business chain deciding to be able to set up a business in a perspective community. Would not matter if the governor and senators were pink skinned because the state elected officials usually don’t take time out of their day to interfere in to if a grocery store chain moves in to a city or county in their perspective state. Unless you can show where the state governor and senators have had a secret plan to not allow high paying jobs in to certain communities because of the color of the skin of the people in the perspective community> In this case a black community.

          • Dee Dee

            Yeah, my point exactly, the post that I was responding to was the one that was blaming “whitey”, their word, not mine. They said,

            “contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement of the African American community.”
            “Translation: We don’t want whitey moving into our neighborhood and risk diluting the solid lock we have on the black voters. We prefer to keep them trapped in a cycle of poverty and victimhood so we can keep them voting for us indefinitely.”

            Who is “us” in that comment? The comment makes no sense. For people to be freaking out this bad because this community opted to not have a Trader Joe’s in the neighborhood is loony.

  • justanothername

    DAS RACIST!

  • rb2424

    Who’s racist now?

  • Roiyar

    I’m Black and see how dumb that action is. Trader Joe’s give people access to inexpensive organic foods rather than all that GMO food found in most stores located in the African American Neighborhoods. This is very dumb of the leaders to block them for such an ignorant reason.

    • Tom223

      That may be the biggest loss. Trader Joes is a great place to shop. Good food, Good prices and the employees are happy.

  • Rick Sprague

    All
    I know is that while all of us at the bottom of the economic chain keep
    on arguing over racism then they win because we are distracted….its a
    class scam not a racist one so as long as we are divided on the the
    subject and keep arguing amongst ourselves they can keep organized and
    do whatever they want…………..COME ON WHITE PEOPLE,BLACK
    PEOPLE,ASIAN PEOPLE………WE THE PEOPLE AND WE ARE DIVIDED….the real
    fight is with our government and corporate America not with each
    other…ALL OF US NO MATTER WHAT RACE IS PLAYING INTO THEIR HANDS LIKE A
    BUNCH OF MOTHS TO FLAMES…VERY PREDICTABLE,VERY CONTROLLABLE…
    3 minutes ago · Like
    Rick Sprague Corporate
    America operates on trends,statistics and predictions that we make
    easier because of our predictable actions…the biggest scam in America
    is being perpetrated upon all of us and all we can do is argue about
    black and white?I would gladly fight beside any race to reclaim our
    country from the greedy bastards who bought it but we will remain
    stagnate and dumb to the facts as long as we let trivial arguments take
    center stage

  • Chuck

    Maranatha-

    Heaven forbid some of your community members get hired at Trader Joe’s, make good money, save up, then open your own store in the area. You need money to make money. Perhaps your neighbors are sitting on a significant amount of monetary capital just waiting for the right opportunity to invest, or perhaps they’re sitting and waiting for someone to hand them the keys to their own store.

    Good luck, I’m sure your plan of restricting capitalism should pay dividends.

  • Atl girl

    The Trader Joes where I shop has many different races shopping there all the time.

  • Rick Sprague

    Black neighborhoods,white neighborhoods,asian neighborhoods,italian neighborhoods?Where are the American neighborhoods?Why segregate and continue this old way of things?

    • KikenJuden

      Because ni%%ers are a plague and destroy every place they infest

      • Rick Sprague

        I’ve seen some pretty nasty “all white” trailer parks myself which would indicate a similarity so your response is irrelevant…I feel sorry for your narrow minded views but hey you are entitled to your own thoughts and opinions…not an intelligent thought or response at all

        • Rick Sprague

          no wonder the people who control this nation have so much power over the rest of the population…no organization and uneducated thoughts…we are doomed

      • Tom223

        No race has a monopoly on virtue. Every one of them has good and bad in it’s ranks. I wonder where you think you personally fall on that spectrum in your race.

    • talkslow

      You tell me. Ethnic communities don’t purposely segregate themselves. They are boxed out of neighborhoods by the white majority.

      • Dwight Bisher

        You are so ignorant and full of shit. Black racist idiots. You can’t fix stupid.

        • talkslow

          OUCH! some old white man who doesn’t know a thing about racism and poverty in america insulted me on the internet! how will I recover? How can I go on??

          • Tom223

            He is out of line. I appreciate your expressing ideas rather than dwelling on hate.
            I’ve been white my whole life and I have never seen a white community box out other races. I’ve never experienced such a conversation take place. I’ve never seen a committee of white people meeting to plot how to keep the other races out.

          • talkslow
          • Jack Savage

            He is not out of line. Talk is perpetuating the exact same cycle she preaches against. Can anyone see past that hypocrisy?

          • talkslow

            oops, i dont shoot unarmed white boys and deny white people housing or loans or make them feel uncomfortable in public spaces or perpetuate stereotypes of them in the media or make them feel undesirable or unwanted just because of the color of their skin. YOUR people do that. so see past your own hypocrisy! xoxo

          • going up

            Hey, don’t you have some Google article to go read to support you idiotic beliefs. You know, Google, the company that has been around for about 14 years… Mostly doing business on the internet which has been around for about 20 years. Yeah, the two together have all that history that goes back thousands of years… Google has all the answers, I read that on an article that Google pulled up.

            I get my lessons and knowledge from what I actually experience. From traveling around the country and actually experiencing the diversity that is the USA. maybe the people at the top are corrupt, but I can’t tell you how much love I experienced when I was living on the streets playing my guitar for change. My friends were eating out of dumpsters and jugging to get to the next city. There are a lot of generous people out there black and white alike. People will take you in and feed you. People will make a bed for you and support your hopes and dreams. Maybe you should move to a better neighborhood and find some better people to hang out with. There are parts of the world without racism. You have to get off the computer and go find it.

          • Jack Savage

            There is no helping our younger generation.

          • Jack Savage

            My people? You mean the black side of my family? The Latino? The hispanic? The asian? The Chicago side? The Hawaiian side? The Catalan side?

            Exactly which side are you referring to? Ever hear of the Ray family, a lot of entertainers, and politicians in that family. And kinda funny MY people are every shade from Irish white to Haitian black, so please again, what people are you referring to. My one cousin is married to a black man, one aunt is married to a black man, one uncle is married to a black woman, another is married to a Japanese lady. One of their children is married to a black woman. Another is married to a Latina. And their third child is married to an Estonian. My grandfather was white and grandmother was Catalan. My significant other was mixed race. My cousin Nichy is of Haitian descent.

            So again, what are my people. As I said, oh yeah, I was a trailer park kid. Atlanta, in the middle of the Atlanta Children Murders. Lost four friends. So please again, tell me what are MY people?

            Blacks invaded a home only yesterday in the metro Atlanta area and attacked a 52 year old unarmed man. Should I judge them by their actions? Should I judge ALL bloacks by their actions, of course not. Where I live, the gang bangers are guess what…. WHITE, and normally just as racist as any other gang (see gang exclusivity) If this white man; in FL, I would assume this is what you are reffering to, shot unarmed teens he needs to be convicted. With the current testimony, I would say he needs to see the needle. That is not a WHITE thing, or a BLACK thing. That is a lack of compassion, and is irregardless of race.

            I was denied a housing loan. Does that make me “special” no, it makes me looking at too much of a home loan (thank God, cause the market crashed a year later).

            If I am someone that tries to start a conversation with a person irregardless of their race, does that make me a better “whitey” or does that make me a better person? Im a 1%er, I served in the military, and because of that, I learned to see past race, the man next to me defending my life, can not be counteed on because he is white, black or whatever, but rather, because he is a dependable soldier. My first partner was from the Barry Farms area of Washington DC, imagine that, inner city and the country boy. He now lives across the street from me, and people know him to be a dependable, hard working perfectionist, who gets the job done right and on time.

            Read your statement, and then see how loathing it is. Of another race. Its time America stopped being divided. Just yesterday a prominent sportscaster, in referring to Mike Sams coming out of the closet, quoted civil rights activist Audre Lorde, who said “It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences.”

            You see, my PEOPLE, are Americans, and I dont care what identifier they use, as long as they have a good heart, and a love for their country, themselves, and their fellow man.

        • Gh0zt36

          We’re racist ? We’re not the ones pushing businesses out of town because it will attract too many whites.

      • Rick Sprague

        boxed out of neighborhoods by wealthy people in power who stand to make $ off of the current set-up…not by the white majority…stop being so black and white and realize that if your poor you are subject to the very same thing as any race…lots of projects out there that are predominantly white with the same dead-ends as anywhere…realize that a very few people are controlling the rest of us by manipulation of our system and money…it just so happens that all of us poor folk behave predictably and would rather point fingers at each other instead of realizing that collectively we are the majority but need to work together

        • Rick Sprague

          somewhere there are a small group of wealthy men laughing and predicting…”hey man don’t worry they are poor white people and will just blame blacks and the blacks will blame them and we can continue our robbery of american prosperity while they try and figure out who’s fault all of this is and hey we can probably make a bunch of money off of it as well haha”…”yeah we can shove all the poor people into a few different areas ultimately segregating communities to further divide the majority

          • talkslow

            lets not act like that small group of wealthy men aren’t white. they are. that’s a fact.

            and this ~we all need to get along~ stuff is BS. poor whites never gave a shit about poor blacks. they tormented us, lynched us, and ran us out of their neighborhoods. and guess what? their attitude toward us still hasn’t changed. so there’s not gonna be any, “oh lets band together to make life better for all of us” because ya’ll still hate us.

          • John

            talk – You’re only fostering the hate/ignorance that killed and enslaved black people (among other races) for so many years. You cannot speak for anyone other than yourself. I’m white, I don’t hate you or anyone. I hate the notion that people think race dictates intention/intelligence. Enlighten yourself; learn how to love people.

          • talkslow

            ah, john, it’s you who needs to be enlighted, and i’ll be glad to point you in the right direction! whenever you have free time, you can google the following:

            critical race theory
            white privilege
            race and poverty in america

            and you’ll find out tons of things that you never knew before! however, if you decide not to google these things, then i’ll have to assume that you WANT to remain ignorant, and that you’re not the progressive person that you thin you are. either way, enjoy your day!

          • John

            You have no idea what knowledge/history is crammed into my head. Please save me the dread of your supporting your continued division with google articles. I’m well aware of atrocities committed over time. I’m well aware of slavery, Hayti and the dismemberment of the thriving black community in America, the atrocious laws that overwhelming affect the black community, etc…. I’m also aware of how much power you possess…not because you’re black or white, but because you’re human. Your frustration cannot possibly be about racism. If it were, you would not support the idea that “whites still hate blacks.” That holds about as much logic as saying all blacks are criminals (which is clearly not logical).

          • John

            I’ll leave you with this: If you can’t actually love and care about all humanity, you can’t actually love and care about the black community. The black community is not just black. It’s made of many shades of brown, and sometimes white. When is black not black enough? Do you subscribe to a reverse “one-drop” rule? Your skin doesn’t make you a person, your brain does; and all humans have the same brain. Humans, not race, make up a community. So when you demonize the very people that fight FOR you and strive to live WITH you, because you hold a grudge, misplace your anger and think that skin tone creates bias; you may indeed be the one perpetuating the injustice of prejudice.

          • talkslow

            lol this is the dumbest thing i’ve ever read and i read half of these comments. you really don’t know anything about race or racism. sorry for thinking you were an informed individual!

          • John

            You’re not doing anyone any favors.

          • John

            You really, truly can’t see how you’re hurting yourself. Good luck to you.

          • John

            …and in doing so, severely hinder yourself.

          • talkslow

            did you really not read the links? wow dude. i was trying to help you but i guess you don’t want to step out of your comfort zone, and i have no desire to argue with someone who is only trying to prove their own agenda and not learn from anyone else. bye!

          • John

            Nice try. Did you really not respond to the comment that seems to invalidate your argument?

          • John

            …and are you really asserting that if I read your articles, I’d automatically agree with your horribly flawed point? You can’t see the forest for the trees. You’ve been so busy in your tirade against “white people” that you failed to notice I never took a position on the substance of this article. I merely objected to your comment that “yall still hate us.” You then created a illogical equation to “prove” my desired ignorance (regarding nothing specific). Then, you somehow assumed that I have an agenda. There are very many flaws in your arguments that can be torn apart easily; and that subsequently prove my point. You need to get out and connect with some new/different people. I wish you the best, and sincerely hope you one day fully understand the true battle.

          • talkslow

            thats a lot of words sir, but it still doesn’t change the fact that you’re purposely refusing to educate yourself.

          • going up

            Our county is full of descendants of the enslaved. Why is it I never hear a single one of them bitch about being enslaved in the 1800′s to build a railroad? how about being rounded up for concentration camps in the world wars? Or do you not know what I’m talking about? Help yourself to a history book.

          • talkslow

            probably bc you have no black friends. you can’t fool me going up!

          • Rick Sprague

            wow talkslow….maybe you should organize a debate with th KKK so all you racists can hang together and…well hate each other…stupidity and stubbornness knows no boundaries or race…I will however continue to seek like-minded humans to bring justice to the human race instead of arguing with stubborn racist people who only want justice for “their own kind”….aint nobody got time fo dat

          • going up

            I am in a music project with a lead vocalist tat is black you idiot. I ate thanksgiving dinner at his parents house. Get a life.

          • talkslow

            LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO omg you just proved my point. i dont even have to argue with you guys.

            “I ate dinner at a black guy’s house once! there’s no way i picked up any prevalent attitudes about blacks that have been force fed to me by society and the media since my birth! you should reward me for doing no further research about race in america!”

            lmao i cant believe people like you exist for real

          • going up

            He’s my close friend of 7 years you ass.

          • going up

            I was talking about Chinese decedents you idiot. I think that flew past you.

          • LTE2

            “white privilege”

            .
            This one always cracks me up and is another refinement as to why blacks do not have a supermarket.
            .
            I was watching a black professor go on about this and all I could think was, If it weren’t for your cushy “privileged” college job, you probably couldn’t do anything else for a living (well maybe he could stack tomatoes in a Trader Joe).
            .
            Trader Joe saw an opportunity ignored by a black leadership going around saying white privilege. Blacks need to replace the collection of professional parasites that claim to represent them with a group who knows how to open up a grocery store.

          • talkslow

            he has a nice job as a professor but he can still be stopped and frisked by the police! he can be denied housing or a lone simply because of the color of his skin! and if not him, than his friends and family! that’s white privilege! you guys dont have to go through that! if you don’t understand that then maybe you need to read more or something, idk! not my problem bro!

          • LTE2

            “he has a nice job as a professor but he can still be stopped and frisked by the police!”
            .
            After listening to that lecture, he should have been arrested for loitering.
            .
            “he can be denied housing or a lone simply because of the color of his skin! and if not him, than his friends and family! that’s white privilege!”
            .
            If no whites were in jail or prison that would be a stronger argument. I am not saying it’s fair, I am saying there are problems with Blacks and Hispanics and crime and this does bleed over into the greater community that does not misbehave.
            .
            In the city I live in, these 2 groups commit the greater amount of crime and by a wide margin over other ethnic groups. The police spend most of their time patrolling the areas they live in. Realism? Maybe protection of the better people in those neighborhoods? This might be seen as profiling but it is good public safety too.

          • Rick Sprague

            who cares what color these few are?This is how we will all continue to be robbed…stubbornness and refusal to be a team…sorry that you carry so much hatred for another group of humans based on their skin color…I guess we can spend our time hating each other and continuing to let people manipulate us based on two wrongs make a right

          • kyle reese

            Are you for real? Do you really have that attitude? or is this a joke? Did you forget that it was whites killing other whites in the civil war by the thousands that gave you the right to speak your misguided views on this forum? And theses guys are right, we either get along now, or we get along when we’re all in chains picking cotton for the globalist bankers.

          • going up

            Amen

          • going up

            Who cares what color the wealthy people are? I’m white and I’m not wealthy. I also have to fast a few times a month because i run out of food to eat. I’m so tired of hearing idiots complain about white people in power. I’m white and I’m not wealthy. if this was a science experiment it would have disproved the age old white=wealthy formula people like you have been using as a scapegoat for your mediocrity. This rich people you speak of are of another mindset and are corrupted by greed. Their color is not important If they were black they would still oppress and take from the less fortunate. What point are you trying to make?

          • talkslow

            the point is:

            wealthy white people are the ones in power

            wealthy white people are the ones that historically abused black as well as other ethnic minorities

            minorites in poverty have to deal with systematic racism (i know ya’ll don’t know what that is, google it) and poverty

            whereas white people just deal with poverty

            ergo

            blacks and other minorities are hesitant to trust white companies that move to their neighborhoods

            what part is complicated?? no one is saying that blacks and other minorities aren’t capable of taking advantage of each other. we are. but in the US, we don’t have the power to do so. this country is OWNED and CONTROLLED by wealthy white people. (if you try bringing up obama i will laugh bc you are so, so misguided) and these people have done lots of SHITTY THINGS to blacks/minorities that you probably never learned about in your disney-fiend american history classes. things that they would never do to white people.

            and thats why we dont want white owned corporations coming into our communities. bc they’re not there to support us. they’re there to make money off of us.

          • going up

            Again, it had nothing to do with the color. These rich people you speak of developed technology and the economic system. They were white back then, so it never go diluted. If they were black they would still be corrupted and in power… So you say “no one is saying that blacks and other minorities aren’t capable of taking advantage of each other. we are. but in the US, we don’t have the power to do so.” What does that mean? Are you saying that you want the power to take advantage of poor people and sit in the wealthy chair of hypocrisy? Are you saying you want to continue the suffering and the taking advantage of the less fortunate? I bet you would love to sit in that chair. You want it? Take it? stop crying like a puss and take it like they did. ok? in the mean time, I don’t want to hear you cry about what was done to other people. Fix yourself man. You will always be at the bottom and you have nobody to blame but yourself. Just to clarify I speak to you – Talkslow – Just you… Not your race. I only see one race.

          • talkslow

            you’re wrong and you refuse to do more research to better youself. sorry i can’t help you anymore than i’ve tried. its a shame that all you allegedly “educated” people are so adverse to other people’s opinions + experiences

          • going up

            I don’t need to search outside of my own conscience to find truth. I know what actions I am responsible for. I assure you, I have played no part in oppressing anyone. If you came to my door in need, I would give you the shirt off my back and I would feed you. I would give everything I could to help anyone in need with good intentions. If thats not good enough for you, go live somewhere else.

          • asdff

            you’re a narrow minded idiot.

          • LetLoveRule

            I’m white and I definitely don’t hate you or any particular race. That I can promise. Now I’m going to go to lunch with my black boyfriend and his half black/half hispanic daughter and pray that your hatred for others unlike yourselves will diminish over time and your heart will soften and the past will be left in the past and the present moment will be where you live. People will be people; some are VERY difficult to love, or even like, but it has nothing to do with the color of their skin and everything to do with their heart.

          • going up

            Agreed

          • FUkishima’d

            talkslow, you are on a bandwagon. It’s the same one that rode the Nazi’s into Germany. consider YOURSELF the racist.

      • going up

        Yes they do. Did you read the article?

        • talkslow

          *whispers* one article doesn’t equal all of american history sorry to say *pats you on the head* you tried tho

          • going up

            Nice imagination. Maybe you should write a book. You seem to have a knack for the dramatics.

  • cyberslammer2

    You negroes are idiots….the proof is who you voted into office based on color.

    • Rick Sprague

      pretty sure more than 60% of the people who voted for Obama were white but why does this even matter?The real problem is that it is apparently much easier for any one of us to just blame each other than it is to get to the root of problems and take action…you know actually impact the our own futures instead of letting others do it for us and then complaining about the outcome and pointing fingers

    • SmartPatriot

      yeah? and you didnt vote AGAINST him based on color? Romney was probably the most flawed candidate to ever run for the highest office. yet home schooled, low wage earners like yourself still voted for him BECAUSE HE WAS THE WHITE GUY. see? I can make ridiculous statements too. PS they have not been “Negroes” since the 60′s. I see what you did there.

    • Kyle Reese

      That’s just dumb. I’m glad you don’t represent most whites. Obama is a criminal because he is a CIA inserted president that was born outside the USA and works for the globalists bankers and has committed treason against the American people. The fact that he is half black has nothing to do with it. Sure it may have got him the minority vote, but there is a lot of black people right now that know they have been “Conned” and may look at a future presidential candidates character now instead of the color of his/her skin. This being the case I’m sure most black people will think twice before electing a murderer into office (Hillary Clinton) during the next election. Or at least I hope so.

    • Maranatha

      The proof is who YOU voted into office based on color long before he ever got there. Negroes were idiots to vote for anybody before Obama, because the rest of them were the same racists that they will always be and went down in history as. Yet, Negroes voted for ALL of those crakkas based on skin color and nobody said a word about that.

  • talkslow

    I can understand the rationale behind this. They opened up a target in Harlem a couple of years ago, and I remember reading an article about how only 27% of the people they hired lived in the neighborhood. This isn’t a matter of not wanting to better your own community, it’s a matter of not wanting your community to be taken advantage of, as minority communities often are.

    But, the racists in these comments will probably never understand that. *deep sigh*

    • mike

      In what way are they being taken advantage of? 27% is better than 0% and often community is defined by city section and NO STORE hires exclusively from one small area.

      • talkslow

        bc trader joes is a known yuppie attraction, and once white people start shopping there, it’s gonna be less “let’s hire people from the community” and more “let’s hire people who look the way we want to look. yeah, not that your resume wasn’t impressive, it’s just that you don’t really fit the trader joe’s *image*.” and then you have only white store leaders and managers. which means the people making the most money aren’t putting it back into the community. pretty simple.

        • going up

          Actually I’m white and I make less than 20k a year. I shop at Trader Joe’s. Oh yeah, my friends also shop there and they are in the same income bracket. Oh, and a few of those same fiends are black… If you are profiling the people that shop at a grocery store you are being ignorant and bias. basically you are no better than what you stand against. Do you really think that rich “yuppies” are going to drive into a less privileged neighborhood to shop at the trader joes? Please, check yourself.

    • Gh0zt36

      Exactly , finally someone who get’s it . that’s why I will boycott any black owned businesses or businesses that want to move into my neighborhood. Because I don’t want to be taken advantage of either.

      • talkslow

        lol please tell me how you can be taken advantage of by a black owned business in your neighborhood. i’ll wait.

        • Rick Sprague

          all small poor communities are taken advantage of…how do you not see this?Ok so now you have identified that a small group of “rich white men” have held you back and took advantage of why does it matter what color they are when there are so many other white men,women and children are so poor and taken advantage of as well…of course the ways of those in power can be labeled racist…their lineage and power goes way back…just realize that they are a very very small percentage of whites who angrily disagree with them and their practices so I am siding with you…………your fight isnt against all white men just this small group of them of which I also believe to be lowlife scum that take advantage of others and I am sure there are millions who share my opinion…if not then I guess I am wrong

          • Rick Sprague

            we have both pointed out the same enemy but apathy and stubbornness will only ensure their victory…see you on the soup line at the fema camp haha

          • talkslow

            dude, if you were really a good person, you would google the things i was talking about instead of arguing with me on the internet. you guys talk are all like, “educate yourselves” but are never willing to look at another person’s links. i’m literally giving you access to other people’s perspectives and yall choose to remain ignorant. thats crazy to me.

          • Errant

            You’re conflating a few relationships there.

          • Rick Sprague

            i dont see any links and all your responses are the same…”that’s racist…you’re racist”

          • talkslow

            control + f, search “links”. it’s really not that hard, unless you dont know how to use a computer in which case you probably shouldn’t be commenting on the internet anyway.

        • VOICE 0f R34s0n

          ummm.. wait. if a black owned business opens a store in an affluent white neighborhood, then the way I see it they are taking advantage of all the money that’s in the area. that’s called capitalism. and it works BOTH WAYS. the only businesses that “take advantage” of black people are the predatory title and payday loan companies that are in EVERY shopping center in black communities (at least those that I’ve been to)

          • talkslow

            that doesnt make any type of sense because we weren’t talking about an AFFLUENT white neighborhood. an average white neighborhood, how would it suffer if a black owned business opened up? but i guess that’s a different discussion about classism which i don’t think any of yall are ready for.

            but let me just cut to the chase and tell you that it couldnt happen anywhere bc there really aren’t any black owned businesses powerful to take advantage of entire communities so there’s nothing to compare it to in real life. it can’t happen. black people don’t come into white neighborhoods and force people out of their homes the way white people do (gentrification).

          • VOICE 0f R34s0n

            I was making a comparison. How does opening a business in any community “take advantage” of the community? How would this community have suffered by the opening of a health food store? how does any community suffer by new, good paying jobs being introduced to the community? …And yes they do come into communities and force white people out. I’ll give you an example (and this has happened in other cities as well) Birmingham, AL: A friend of mine lived in an average, middle class to upper middle class neighborhood in the centerpoint area. This community was targeted as a project to help poor and minority people own their own homes. Poor and especially minorities were given subsidized mortgages, to make these houses more affordable. As those people moved in, the property values plummeted and crime rates went through the roof. Almost all of the middle class white people had no choice but to move away. Within five years My friend’s parents lost over $20k by selling their home, in which they had substantial equity before. Property values never recovered in this area. Now, 20 years later, the area is majority african american, and has seen a huge economic downturn, with empty businesses everywhere. the mayor at the time? Richard Arrington, an african american.

          • VOICE 0f R34s0n

            Let me clarify. this was a project spearheaded by said mayor

          • Rita Bookman

            OK, I’m convinced you are a troll. There is NO WAY somebody could actually mean/believe the stupid $h!t you are spewing. So in the spirit of a troll, I applaud you.

        • Gh0zt36

          they will bring in family members and ” ni99az from the hood ” to work at their store instead of hiring white people. Just like you said Ill be oppressed too !!

    • Robert49

      With that slighted attitude, all your communities have to look forward to then are liquor stores, paycheck and auto title loans businesses. That is not nor ever will be progress. Lets deal with reality on hiring. You cannot name any major business chain that hires exclusively from the community in which it does business! Hell I know folks that work at the local Burger King that do not even live in this town in which their place of employment resides. You also can’t prevent a business from hiring someone just because they don’t live in the local community nor even in the city of which the business is located. Unless of course you want to violate a host of federal and state employment laws?

      • talkslow

        exactly. these communities leaders knew that they couldn’t prevent a business from outsourcing jobs to people who didn’t live in the community. that’s why they voted against it.

        also liquor stores aren’t the only thing that’s in black neighborhoods, jfc. your racism is showing dude.

    • Jack Savage

      That Target store hires ONLY from within Harlem or the neighboring Washington Heights, Manhattan area. When I lived in the area I frequented it quite often, and the Target Warehouse. So, if you have an article. Post it.

      Problem is, everyone wants exclusivity, welcome to America, there is no room for that shit here. In my town we have black businesses, Mexican businesses even crazy Long Islnaders who own business (trust me they are their own ethnic group!!!!) And guess what? Wait for it…. wait for it… I live in the deep South, in a RURAL MOUNTAIN community. You know, where everyone thinks racism is rampant. How about it is a place that wants to open up JOBS, to ANY community, I dont care if it is Black, Red or Indigo, what the f@Ck is wrong with people!!!!

    • blastah

      even if only 27% of people from the community are employed, still that is a 27% reduction of unemployment in that community! How could you possibly be against that? Black people are plain stupid.

      • talkslow

        you’re a plain racist! but don’t worry, your time will come when whites are the majority in the country. see you then!

        • Terry

          What exactly do you mean when you say “your time will come.”?

          • talkslow

            this is what i mean when i say that ya’ll hate us. you would rather reply to my comment than tell off the above poster for commenting something as blatantly racist as “black people are plain stupid.” as a matter of fact, that person got two likes for posting it. you guys hate us, for real.

            THIS is why poor communities will never band together. we don’t trust you, and with good reason. you guys don’t check each other when you’re being racist. you just allow it to continue, and then wonder why we don’t like you.

          • Terry

            You didn’t answer my question. You don’t know who I am what I like or what color I am and I’m not responsible for anyone but myself, so don’t give me that trash. What did you mean when you said that? If you think my job is to call out a hater, then that’s what I’m doing. Yall are both racist. wake up

    • youjustcan’twin

      talkslow,

      I don’t know what happened to my first attempt to post by I will try again. I grew up on the Uppereast Side (NYC) during the 70s and 80s when 86th Street exploded. For those that are unfamiliar, 86th Street is the NYC version of a mall with chain stores on top of chain stores. It also happens to be in the center of an extremely affluent and white neighborhood. The result of this development was that it brought in a huge influx on non-white shoppers and even put many white owned mom and pops out of business. Many if not most of these new shoppers were from Harlem.

      So here is the thing, for many years black leaders pointed to 86th Street as a symbol of corporate America’s racism – claimed they would take money from African-Americans but they wouldn’t open in their neighborhoods. That of course has since changed as, like you pointed out, many have gone into Harlem and invested in the community (especially 125th Street). But it appears there are some, like you, who now think this is bad. How is now doing exactly what black leaders demanded be so bad? Remember, by not going into Harlem (originally) they called these companies racist.

      • talkslow

        i like your approach so you get a nice response from me.

        new businesses in minority neighborhoods are a good thing. new businesses who profit off of the neighborhood but dont put that money BACK into the neighborhood are not. if people spend money at a business but that money doesn’t go back into to the community, that community collapses. were the people working at 86th from harlem? was 86th street giving their money back to communities or corporations?

        i don’t know if you’re still familiar with nyc, but there are a couple corporations on 125th. you think that starbucks gives money back to the community? you think the mac store on the corner and the h&m across the street dedicates money to helping out harlem’s poor and homeless? do you think they invest in better schools, better resources for the people of harlem?

        if trader joes takes that lot then it’s never going to belong to the people of harlem again. and that’s what the politicians were worried about.

        • youjustcan’twin

          When I took my elderly mother to the movies (on 86th) this past Tuesday I’m pretty positive the Hispanic woman who took my ticket didn’t live on 89th and Park. I don’t think the young African-American gentleman at Best Buy (on 86th), who helped me pick out earphones for my nephew this past x-mass, does either. If you are from NYC, or even familiar with it, we have subways and buses and many (probably most) people don’t live in the neighborhood they work. I’ve been to Target in Harlem and while the majority of the employees might not be from Harlem, the majority are black – trust me, it’s not a bunch of white guys from the UES taking jobs away blacks.

          If you didn’t know, the city is trying to turn Harlem into a new technology corridor – trying to bring tech start-ups to the area which will help the city AND community including those that currently live there. In fact, due to a donation from a former exec of the “evil” Goldman Sachs they are building the country’s largest free WiFi hot spot in Harlem – a 95 block free zone from 110th to 138th. This will basically give every kid in the area free internet access as well as incentive for businesses to come in. The moral of the story is it’s not a choice between doing what is good for the community or what is good for outside businesses. You can do both at the same time.

    • VOICE 0f R34s0n

      ok… i would be interested to see how many people in the neighborhood applied, or were qualified (for certain positions) what you see as being taken advantage of, others might see as providing convenient shopping for the neighborhood. how is opening a new store taking advantage of a neighborhood. explain that please. I’m sure that anyone in that community could have gotten the job if they really wanted to and presented themselves as employable. but, some people see racism where there is none.

      • talkslow

        dude you see my replies all over these comments. just cause i’m not talking directly to you doesn’t mean i haven’t answered your question 30 times already.

      • VOICE 0f R34s0n

        ..and white people can’t win. target opened that store after being called racists for not opening stores in minority communities. Now, they’re “taking advantage” of the minorities by opening stores in those communities. wth?

        • FUkishima’d

          the whole tactic of it is division….there will be NO compromise, no working together, that is NOT what these groups desire.

    • Brooklyn

      You might want to call the Target location and ask for an update on the racial demographic of their employee pool, because your statement is absolutely false as of last week. Also, please don’t call upon statistics that came from an unnamed article “[you] remember reading” without so much as a date, author, or any sort of publication reference to back it up. This is the internet — Google it and provide the link, otherwise it just fans the flames of an already volatile issue with nothing but conjecture, which is irresponsible.

      (Note: I’m not particularly concerned with whether I get a nice response from you, because I’m not here to gain your approval. However, I will ask that you spare me the hypocrisy you’ve been populating your responses with thus far, because it won’t fly here. White and black alike, if you’re racist, you’re racist. No such thing as “reverse racism” or ‘justifiable racism” — it’s just racism. Suck it up and at least own your rhetoric.)

  • Rick Sprague

    We only suffer the woes that we carry with us and give value to…refuse,resist,organize and attack…we cant keep arguing over who has it worse and why.We need to over-come it and realize we stand in the way of ourselves.Believe that while we are trying to figure out who to blame our future are being predetermined by someone else

  • John

    Race-bait…Eat up everyone.

    • da equalizer

      Yup, drink the Kool-Aid. While they are doing that, I’m busy learning how to hunt, fish, live off the land and the grid, generate my own power. All these liberal race baiters are screwed when it all goes down. If you don’t have those skills and are misfortunate enough to be stuck in a big city when the government shuts off the grid, all the race baiting skill in the world wont keep you alive. To a hungry cannibal – white meat tastes just as good as dark meat.

      • John

        Also while they’re doing that, (in addition to hunting and subsisting) I’m trying to uplift, rather than divide, the members of my community (all races) for the progression/advancement of society.

  • mike

    I’m curious as to what would qualify as benefitting the black community?

    • Gh0zt36

      liqour stores , gun shops , and pawn shops. Oh and also some more prospective white knockout game victims.

    • talkslow

      black owned business, including markets, general stores, clothing stores, etc. ideally by people who live in the community. when you work, shop, and live in a community your money stays in one place, thus allowing that community to thrive.

      • VOICE 0f R34s0n

        you’re an idiot. a racist idiot. The land had been vacant for YEARS. If a black owned business had wanted to, they could have developed the land, but they didn’t. this proposal would have also been a shopping center that would have done just that… opened up opportunity for black owned businesses. Instead, the land will continue to be vacant. These black activists hate white people so much that they can’t see the benefits of these types of businesses. This development would have brought high paying jobs to the neighborhood. that’s not beneficial? your perspective is highly idealistic and biased. “They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans” replace african americans in this sentence with white americans. then what do you have?

        • talkslow

          the entire basis of the declaration of independence. duh.

          • VOICE 0f R34s0n

            Not my question. if a white man had made that statement in today’s world, he would have been blasted into oblivion and alienated for being a racist. am i correct? but because he was black, his racism is ok?

          • talkslow

            yup, because a single black man stating something prejudiced doesn’t even compare to the entire US government treating blacks and other minorities like shit for the last 200+ years

  • Ashley

    Just one more reason Portland is the stupidest community in the world.

  • Worf

    I don’t give a damn about the color of any business owner in my neighborhood as long as they run a good & fair business. And there are proprietors of every color in my hood. These kinds of tactics are ultimately self defeating and hurt neighborhoods in the long run. Trader Joes is a good company but if you want to protest a store opening up that actually harms the neighborhood, then try protesting the next liquor/scratch ticket store.
    -white guy living in a 70% Latino majority neighborhood.

  • Mark Whittington

    Ok, first, they didn’t ‘force’ TJ’s to do shit–TJ’s doesn’t go where they aren’t wanted. And they are awesome, and you are idiots; your ancestors shoulda taken Lincoln up on the free boat ride home.

  • Avocado Punk

    They just don’t want white middle class people living near them or shopping there.

    • VOICE 0f R34s0n

      why? that doesn’t make a damn bit of sense

  • Professor Bill

    WOO, after reading a few of these comments, I truly believe Dr King’s dream of “every man judged by the content of his character and not by the color of his skin” is decades off and the people that voted for Obama are the people tat stand in the way! Talkslow, you REALLY need t take an economics 101 course. I really think in all the years I have taught college, I have NEVER heard of anyone so out of touch with reality.

    • talkslow

      lol like college teachers can’t be racist?? (you are btw)

      “I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”

      Martin Luther King Jr

      LMAO do some more research next time professor! ;)

      • idk

        ok talkslow why dont you remove your black panther shield for a minute and listen to an educated opinion for once. i am about as white as they come and i’m often ashamed to know i come from a line of people who oppressed native americans and forced their removal from their homeland and enslaved africans. but for you to categorize all whites and say “yall still hate us” is about as ignorant as a white racist. you are severely being blinded by your own stupidity.

        • talkslow

          if yall dont hate us then why are we more likely serve longer prison sentences for lesser offenses? if yall dont hate us then why do yall claim we only accomplish things because of ‘affirmative action instead of admitting that we’re just as smart and talented as you are? if yall don’t hate us then why can’t i read an article about black people in 2014 without seeing the n-word in the comments? huh??

          • John

            Isn’t it disgusting when white people say “Yall black people are all on welfare, killing, stealing and doing drugs!”? Why do they say that?…because they’re ignorant people who have heard reports that some people (who are black) have committed those crimes, then those ignorant people ridiculously claim that because some black people have committed crimes, ALL black people commit crimes. How is what you’re saying any different? What about all of the white people that fought to end slavery, fought for civil rights, married black people, etc. etc.? What about all the black AND white people that live together and love each other and realized that greed, ignorance, hate, exploitation and violence are always bad qualities that affect all people?

          • talkslow

            easy. because when i stereotype white people, nothing happens.

            when black people are sterotyped, they are denied housing/jobs and shot dead in the streets. i know you can see the difference.

          • John

            You have no idea the effect you have on society when you further stereotypes. When you use ANY stereotype, you’re telling the world that using stereotypes is useful and ok. Then they in turn use stereotypes against you. I don’t disagree with you about the plight of the black community in America; but I differ in that you think the problem is white. I think the problem is ego. You think racism is a source. I know racism is a symptom. Even Rev. King said that when you hurt your brother/sister, you hurt yourself. That’s why he said you should love your enemy and not treat hate with hate. Because using hate against hate only creates more hate….which was the problem to begin with.

          • talkslow

            stop. racism is a source. black people are in poverty today because white people enslaved us, and then when they released us we weren’t given the same tools as they were to garner wealth and affluence. how can we open schools for ourselves if they wouldnt let us read? how could we start businesses if we were sharecroppers? THAT’S racism. not me going online and posting a few comments about gentrification. if you deny this as a fact than you have no notion of history, point blank.

          • John

            You need to chill. You keep coming at me with your assumptions about me. I don’t deny what you said. I never said it WASN’T racism. I never said it wasn’t wrong. I said that racism is NOT the source. Racism in ALL the cases you mention are the result of human ego. Racism is not exclusive to white people; and there’s no qualitative difference between a white racist or a black racist or an hispanic racist. That’s part of what King preached. Without the ego, racism can’t exist. Without racism, the ego can still exist; thus, race isn’t the source, ego is.

          • John

            It shouldn’t be more important to you that a racist is white. It should be more important that a racist exists. To defeat racism, you must approach it truthfully and with love; and to do that, you must understand that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. There are no varying degrees of injustice, it’s always the same. Racism is injustice, and therefore racism anywhere is a threat to equality everywhere. A stereotype anywhere is a threat to the abolishment of prejudice everywhere.

          • going up

            What century do you live in?

          • Rita Bookman

            Another “oppressed” person I see. I would think that the very SECOND America elected a black president, that black people would stop blaming white people for their shortcomings. You can no longer say that its not possible to achieve the highest of goals, now that the highest of positions has been obtained by a black man. Stop playing the victim and get off of your @$$ and do what you want to do in life. The only person standing in your way is YOU…..not this invisible “the man”. You don’t know of ONE SLAVE!!! So stop using the slavery card. Yes there are racist white people in the world, but there are also racist blacks as well, yourself included. The only way it will end is if EVERYONE makes the effort to end it…not just one side.

          • going up

            You are in your own reality. This collection of posts demonstrates how alone you are in your view. Some of us sit at home reading fiction and believing everything we see on the web/tv (you). The rest of us go out and see the world as it is. You can rant your idiotic, senseless BS on this site and any other site. It doesn’t change the reality I live in as well as many others. I don’t care about your reality, I don’t live in it and If I did, I would leave. You are outnumbered. The rest of the racists that think like you are being shunned from society. you are a dying breed that will drown in your own hatred.

      • VOICE 0f R34s0n

        how do you misconstrue anything professor bill said as racist? explain that to me PLEASE! NOTHING about this store moving into the neighborhood would have hurt the neighborhood in any way. It would have, however, helped the african american owned construction company, provided higher paying jobs to the people of the community, and opened up retail space in the proposed shopping center, possibly for african american owned businesses, and possibly even raised the property values in the area. Sooooo.. why block them? I’ll tell you. racism. not on the part of white people, but on the part of those black activists.

      • John

        The great problem facing modern man is that, that the means by which we live have outdistanced the spiritual ends for which we live. So we find ourselves caught in a messed-up world. The problem is with man himself and man’s soul. We haven’t learned how to be just and honest and kind and true and loving. And that is the basis of our problem. The real problem is that through our scientific genius we’ve made of the world a neighborhood, but through our moral and spiritual genius we’ve failed to make of it a brotherhood.

        Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      • John

        “I am afraid that many among you are more concerned about making a living than making a life. You are prone to judge the success of your profession by the index of your salary and the size of the wheel base on your automobile, rather than the quality of your service to humanity.”

        Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

  • Shaney

    Evidently they dont want a high paying job opportunity in the “oppressed neighborhood” that would be too much incentive to get off welfare. They rather have vacant crack houses and junk lots to benifit the local drug economy

  • david in lancaster, ca

    as someone wh grew up in Inglewood, ca. I saw business owners of all races. Money benefitting a community is money regardless of who its from. How is turning away trader joe’s because it would attract a certain demographic not blatantly racist?! oh that’s right, when its black/latino/whatever race people its not racism…its the struggle. everyone else is racist…geez!

  • david in lancaster, ca

    BTW im not white. Im of Hispanic descent and DETEST victimization complexes exhibited by ” minority” groups. Call me a “uncle Juan” if you want I don’t care

    • talkslow

      i mean, you said it, not me.

      • FUkishima’d

        you spew hatred at every turn, I think your soul is rotted.

        • talkslow

          lmao but you’re the one who’s username is “fukishima’d”. you think radiation poisoning is joke but i’m the one with the rotting soul?? get real.

          • FUkishima’d

            No, I don’t think it’s a joke in the slightest, I think it is the MOST important issue of our world, which I try to bring awareness by using the avatar.

          • FUkishima’d

            I apologize for my comment, I got sucked into the negativity.

        • Ricotta

          Her soul isn’t rotted. That’s ridiculous.

          Everyone knows that negros don’t have souls.

          • FUkishima’d

            That is a disgusting thing to say.

  • Happyandhealthy

    Talkslow: The most interesting thing about this. It has sat UNDEVELOPED and the city offered it at a deeply discounted price and it was contracted to be built by an AFRICAN AMERICAN OWNED CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. Mrs. Obama has also spearheaded the efforts to get stores opened in “minority” neighborhoods that offer healthy food options at a reasonable price–that is Trader Joe’s in a nutshell. It would’ve made for healthy kids and families in a predominantly black neighborhood at an affordable price. White people don’t move into a neighborhood because of a grocery store that opens up. Not to mention if it’s a “white yuppy store” then isn’t it quite likely that there’s already one IN the predominantly “white” neighborhoods thereby negating the need for those residents to move?? It also was going to have “multiple stores” …. but unfortunately we’ll never know who those would’ve been leased out to or what types of stores (*gasp* Could it have been a “black” owned store?), FYI: here’s a google map of the multiple TJ’s already in Portland (and they’re NOT all yuppy white neighborhoods) https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?gl=US&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=104883357795813870153.000452428b1f013013efb

    • Steven Newman

      “There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy, and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. … There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” — Booker T. Washington in his 1911 book, My Larger Education

  • VOICE 0f R34s0n

    wow..
    “highest paying grocery store” $10-$20 an hour for just employees,
    up to $75k a year for supervisors.. how does that not benefit their
    community directly? Of course this is just another example of race
    baiting.. but, this statement of no we don’t want good paying jobs in
    our neighborhood is just mind boggling.. as is the statement of
    increasing the desirability of the neighborhood being a bad thing..
    they think that white people would force them out of the neighborhood..
    really? REALLY? didn’t black people force white people out of their
    neighborhoods?! A LOT of neighborhoods!? unbelievable

    • saltydog

      Do you honestly think they’re going to hire those positions in that community? No, they’re going to higher somebody from the suburbs who drives in to work.

  • VOICE 0f R34s0n

    …and
    the statement of “oppressed populations” really? is handing out food
    stamps, welfare, and healthcare considered oppression now?

    • talkslow

      more white people benefit from food stamps, healthcare, and welfare than black people do. oops, you’re a racist!

      • John

        You quoted the Rev. Dr. King earlier; that must mean you believe he had something useful to say. He also said that you should love your enemy. You’re only dividing your fellow man, which in turn hurts you.

      • 1704212

        Blacks make up only about 12% of the population of the United States and I’m sure that percentage wise they use a lot more Welfare then Whites.

      • VOICE 0f R34s0n
        • talkslow

          uughhh why do i have to explain basic things to you people

          there are more white people in america thus more white people benefit from food stamps. therefor there’s no correlation between being an oppressed population and receiving government benefits and you should have never posted that dumb comment in the first place.

          • VOICE 0f R34s0n

            wth do you mean by “you people” oops YOU’RE A RACIST

          • Ricotta

            Gross welfare recipients means absolutely nothing. It’s all about per capita, and by that measure you spooks take the cake by a huge margin.

            Do they even teach math at Jiggaboo High?

          • VOICE 0f R34s0n

            Now that’s racist

          • Ricotta

            Everything we do is racist according to the “enlightened” negros crying about social justice and “white privilege”. Why keep trying to be PC when they’re gonna accuse you of racism anyway?

          • VOICE 0f R34s0n

            Correction: I’m assuming that by Oppressed populations they mean POOR minorities. despite the “white devil” government’s best efforts to help these groups they’re still claiming oppression

        • VOICE 0f R34s0n

          look at the percentages. the percentage of minority populations on welfare is greater. by oppressed populations i’m assuming they mean minorites. and by the way how do you know what race I am? I live on a reservation @ssh0le

      • uoeaueoa

        you are distorting the facts. Yes absolutely more white people use food stamps than blacks but there are a lot more white people than blacks. Only 13% of whites are on food stamps while 34% of blacks are on them

      • dangerFML

        If by benefit you mean to say that white people make more money at their businesses accepting EBT (food stamps), renting their properties out to government subsidized renters, and getting high paying health care jobs/selling health insurance…then yes. White people do benefit from social welfare programs more than African Americans.

      • Tim Wise

        6% of whites are on welfare, more than 50% of all ni99er savages are on welfare. Cut off all welfare and Section 8, let the apes starve!

        • John

          You’re making yourself sound like an idiot.

  • John Nonamey

    Plain ignorance. .

  • Chris Bowen

    That tells you all you need to know right there.

  • Danny

    There is big business in keeping black people down. People like Al Sharpton and Obama have perfected this trade.

  • Unknown

    I call bullsh*t!

    Why would a store that’s a direct competitor of Whole Foods, build
    in an impoverished community? The stores prices, paired with the area where
    they wanted to build, would be a recipe for disaster. No one that makes the
    money to pay those prices would travel to those neighborhoods to shop. Let’s
    just be honest, it wasn’t going to happen from the beginning..:-)

    • Sorry to break it to you…

      Trader Joe’s is very cheap compared to Whole Foods; I would not call them direct competitors at all. I live in Brooklyn, where as you might guess “oppressed minorities” are legion. Go to the Trader Joes, the only one in BK, any day of the week. You will see an abundance of diversity, including immigrant families and many, many African-Americans. Why do we all shop there? Because it’s cheaper than our other options in our poor communities. Dead serious. Learn about it.

    • saltydog

      have you shopped at trader Joes? Their prices of basic stuff are very fair and competitive, milk, eggs, bread, cereal, chips, canned goods, wine, beer are all better priced than at the supermarket and usually a high quality. And their prices are certainly going to be better than those mom and pop markets where they try and charge you $1.50 for a box of mac’n'cheese.

      • Gh0zt36

        1.50 for mac and cheese is very fair I think .

        • saltydog

          bad example, I’d be terrible on price is right. I just meant that their prices are usually much higher than a normal grocery store or walmart or target or whatever.

          • Reverend Ken

            Most mom and pops buy at Costco or Walmart then just jack up the price.

          • saltydog

            I also suspect a lot of them a fronts for other things. I used to live across the street from one and you could probably count on your fingers the number of customers they had in a day, there is no way they could be affording the rest on the place with what they sold.

    • aurens66

      Trader Joes has lower prices than our local discount chains, particularly on gluten free items, which would typically cost 3 times as much. hopefully this group will change their minds, particularly if the store stays empty, more people coming in, more tax revenue.

      • Michael Heath

        I’m almost positive they were being sarcastic…..meaning white people wouldn’t travel to that neighborhood either way. The smiley face is a dead giveaway!

  • Gayle Wendell

    What this tells me is that this minority group in this neighborhood is content living on welfare and has no intention of progressing or helping their children reach for higher goals. This tells me that they are content with a low income community and drugs and crime, and unfortunately it reflects the rest of their minority brothers and sisters. Trader Joes is not affected in the least. Gracious! They were doing this neighborhood a favor. Imagine the opportunity! Oh well, I sum it up with one word….FOOLS!!!

    • beth

      Do you even live in this neighborhood? Why would you feel you have any right to comment if you don’t?

      • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pet-Agree-Dog-Training/267410594145 Jillian Gray

        Did you read the article? They ran out a company that provides high paying jobs and great healthy foods at a low price. They would rather not have that luxury that I drive and hour to get to just because it will attract white people. I think her assumption is pretty good.

        • John

          No, her assessment is that being weary (however misguided) about a business is the same thing as favoring drugs and poverty…which is entirely irrational. If that’s the connection Gayle is going to make, I think it’s safe to assume she has a bias tied to her message.

        • Tim Wise

          It would have probably gone out of business pretty quickly, anyway. Ni99ers ran the grocery stores out of Detroit with all the usual ni99er thievery. Then they whined about racism, as usual!

          The USA really does need a race war!

          • BobNoxious46

            I don’t understand what the Niners have to do with this. Do you not like the fans or the whole football team?

          • tafg

            That’s the 49ers. He’s talking about the 99ers, that’s a baseball team.

      • Gayle Wendell

        Well, I’m not black, so no I don’t live in that neighborhood, and I’m basing my comments on my right of speech if that still applys to those who don’t fit the minority genre. Since this property has been vacant (and for sale) for some time, and was sold and at much lower price, I can only imagine that a business such as Trader Joe’s would have generated jobs, and opportunity’s for that neighborhood. Here again, being shut down for trying to help. Fine. Kick opportunity away. I’m not crying.

    • John

      That’s a horribly illogical and twisted statement.

  • usmcmailman

    SCREW all these racist coons !

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pet-Agree-Dog-Training/267410594145 Jillian Gray

      Irony

      • Gh0zt36

        More like cause and effect.

        • http://fashionurbia.com Fashion Urbia

          what was the cause ? this made up story ? read the real story some where

  • Kate Antonich

    I would like to cordially invite them to Great Falls, MT!!

    • http://fashionurbia.com Fashion Urbia

      no one lives in Montana don’t be stupid

      • Dayme

        Don’t jock Ricotta’s style!

  • Guest

    “Hey let’s open Moe & Joe’s Liquor instead. Then a strip joint can open at the other end. A nudie book store. A “Head Shop”, drugs, pandering (prostitution)… Hell the sky’s the limit.They’ll bring down the surrounding community better and faster than anything you can think of. Plus imagine all the drugs and crime that would be brought to the area? Police stats would be up. Gun crime will be on the increase. Neighbor Watch would be more active. Just a boom to the community. More taxes to combat the blight of society. More Police Officers, Firefighters, Medical personnel, lawyers, judges…it will never end. Isn’t than discrimination? What if the manager is black? Would that be OK? Reverse discrimination is still DISCRIMINATION. If they don’t want to prosper, let them die on the vine and be done with it.

    • dangerFML

      We are the ones that have to pay for it through our taxes though…

      • http://fashionurbia.com Fashion Urbia

        you know you don’t pay much taxes stop pretending

  • McOrin Lima

    “Hey let’s open Moe & Joe’s Liquor instead. Then a strip joint can open at the other end. A nudie book store. A “Head Shop”, drugs, pandering (prostitution)… Hell the sky’s the limit.They’ll bring down the surrounding community better and faster than anything you can think of. Plus imagine all the drugs and crime that would be brought to the area? Police stats would be up. Gun crime will be on the increase. Neighbor Watch would be more active. Just a boom to the community. More taxes to combat the blight of society. More Police Officers, Firefighters, Medical personnel, lawyers, judges…it will never end. Isn’t this discrimination? What if the manager is black? Would that be OK? Reverse discrimination is still DISCRIMINATION. If they don’t want to prosper, let them die on the vine and be done with it.

  • gretchen

    Bring that store to Laramie Wyoming

    • Ricotta

      Nobody lives in Wyoming. Don’t be ridiculous.

      • http://fashionurbia.com Fashion Urbia

        lmao

  • Ricotta

    Anyone else eagerly awaiting the upcoming civil war and ethnic cleansing that will follow?

    • John

      No. That’s a horrible thing to propagate!

      • Ricotta

        You can’t bake a cake without breaking 40 million eggs.

        • John

          That’s sick. I don’t want any cake.

          • Ricotta

            That’s fine. More for the rest of us.

    • Tim Wise

      The country needs to be cleansed of the apelike, subhuman ni99er! Bring back the lash and the noose!

  • Joseph J Mauceri

    And we’re prejudiced?

  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pet-Agree-Dog-Training/267410594145 Jillian Gray

    Yeah, let’s keep whitey out with their money and jobs. Before you know it they’ll start landscaping and someone might actually want to live here.
    I seriously want to know how this would be handled if this were a white group trying to keep out the black population specifically because it doesn’t support white people. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Ridiculous, the civil war is over move on.

  • MollyPitcher28

    Imagine if this were reversed!
    No black stores in our white neighborhood!!!
    My God, the hue and cry coming from the blacks!
    Why, Al Sharpton would be hemorrhaging fecal material into his anal cavity!

    • http://fashionurbia.com Fashion Urbia

      unfortunately this story is a lie and untruthful . please read from other sources the true story. The city was selling historical property at a huge discount to trader joes and that is why the protest.

      • whitegal

        What I understood was that the property was unsold for quite some time…therefore becoming a blight! Trader Joe’s made an offer and it was accepted…

      • me

        yes its been there since the dawn of time…historical

  • Superman

    I am black and while I don’t see the benefit of the actions taken in this story I am equaled as disgusted by the comments here. I too do not understand the logic of the actions taken in this story but at the same time when I hear or read a story about the stupid actions of a few white people I don’t damn the entire race or stereotype them either. The notion of some liquor store, drugs, pornography store or any other obscenity is crazy. I could watch To Catch a Predator and look at statistics assume all or most white men are pedophiles, or look at all the new stories of female teachers with students and assume that most white women are pedophiles but logic shows that it just wouldn’t be true. So yes, as a black man I find the so-called leaders in this neighborhood to be incredibly stupid and the decision ridiculous, I also find the comments attacking the entire black race, equally as stupid and ridiculous. The pedophile thing is an example of how when you look on the surface you can easily and ignorantly damn an entire group of people, if you don’t like it done to you then don’t do it to others. I applaud Trader Joe’s efforts and find those blocking their attempt to be disgusting and foolish.

    • KamranAlAssad

      I think you and white Americans need to sit down at a conference table and discuss your grievances and the best way to move forward, I am not joking I think this is the best way to proceed.

      American news sites are full of racism, if I go on bossip I see anti-white racism if I go on tmz I see anti-black racism, it all comes from Americans though.

      • Jack Savage

        You are so right. And it needs to be done on the community level. (City, town, or county) because what works for some, will not work for others.

    • timfromla

      Actually, you need to look beyond this story:

      Portland African American Leadership Forum sends blistering letter
      with demands on MLK Trader Joe’s project: Portland City Hall Roundup

      http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/12/portland_african_american_lead.html

      The Trader Joe’s development will increase displacement of low-income residents and “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations,” PAALF wrote.

      “Given the long-standing list of promises made, and yet unfulfilled by the PDC to prevent community displacement, PAALF is and will remain opposed to any development in N/NE Portland that does not primarily benefit the Black community.” The group also denounced the development’s lack of an affordable housing component

      It’s called Gentrification. Also, if Trader Joe’s were to have been built, the profits from T.J. (and every T.J. around the nation) ends back here in Monrovia. Therefore, as I mentioned above, why not give the community back the land, create an organic garden/farm and sell to the supermarket. It’s simple to do: http://www.backtoedenfilm.com/

      Imagine a water-free farm?

      • BambiB

        So, it’s about discounted land prices for Trader Joes, and the lack of freebie housing for blacks? Okay. Those are both wrong. The idea that any business should get tax breaks or discounted land prices is wrong because it expresses a preference for that business over all others in the community. It should be a criminal act for any legislature at any level to give any business a break that competitors don’t get because government should not be in the business of picking winners and losers.

        By the same token, haven’t the blacks gotten enough? Isn’t it time for them to get off the “free ride” train? Is it anyone’s fault that they are too stupid or lazy to subsidize their OWN existence? It’s not as if there isn’t ample opportunity – but too many of them would rather make a living selling crack cocaine or drive themselves into poverty with unfulfilled dreams of being the next NBA superstar or rap musician [sic]. The reason blacks want to hold up this deal is there isn’t enough WELFARE in it for them?

        So let’s cut welfare across the board. No more corporate welfare. No more “I’m a victim” welfare either.

        • timfromla

          Wow, really? Blame the blacks for being lazy? So why is it that blacks are picked on and not:

          Citigroup
          Bank of America
          AIG (American International Group)
          JPMorgan Chase

          And others receive bailouts in the trillions, make a profit and still rip off people? I prefer blacks or any ethnicity, including the poor whites in the south receive money so that they would spend the money and strengthen the economy.

          Henry Ford, uber-conservative realized that in order for Ford to do well, he would need to pay his employees so well that they can afford the car. More than 105 years later, when the economy tanked, Ford did NOT ask for TARP and did well. How so, the loss in profits Ford experienced paying his employees a living wage, resulted in profits beyond belief.

          So by giving welfare to the poor whites in the south, I live in California, so we receive less in taxes than the south, the better and stronger the economy is. Banks are tight with their money, on the other hand, North Dakota, which has its own Stat-run bank has the lowest unemployment rate in the nation at 2 percent.

          By keeping the money in your state, by spending money, even with welfare, would lead to a strong economy. BTW, there are more whites on welfare than blacks, because whites make up more than 70 percent of the U.S. population

    • dmgng

      Again, people don’t research for more information but tend to believe one story. How do you know if it’s not biased and isn’t printing the whole story, just like Fox News twisting the truth to what their listeners want to hear? Read and open other websites on the issue where other commenters post. Read all comments and see what its all about, rhetoric. I would recommend you find out when your city is having a city council meeting and see how many businesses are either approved or turned down in opening a store or retail shops in certain communities. Residents either approve or turn down the project and they all get to speak how they feel about the project. The Planning Department may have approved the project but it comes down to the residents approval in the end. That’s what happened with TJ’s, the black community nixed it!

  • Slim_Strontem

    Comfortable in their suffering.

  • Tim Wise

    If it was the other way around, you’d never hear the end of it. The USA needs a race war! Bring back the lash and the noose, it’s the only thing the subhuman ni99er understands!

    • John

      Get out of here, troll.

      • Guest

        Tim Wise? A troll? Do some research. Unless it’s not the real Tim Wise…then, well. Overall, a Trader Joe’s? Yes, maybe. A strip mall where the other businesses may have no lasting power? Nah. I’d say no thanks, in my neighborhood, too, which, is, predominantly, white.

    • tramps

      What are nininety-niners?

    • http://fashionurbia.com Fashion Urbia

      you are all alone in that,

    • Jack Savage

      Yeah, I think that is not the answer. The answer is everyone to come together as americans, not white, not black

    • Tom223

      This conflict does not stem from actual race characteristic but from 50 years of hidden third parties generating lies and hate between races. Politicians and activists have been making a living race baiting to line their own pockets and get elected. Government policy has been specifically designed to keep Blacks in America poor and dependent on government. In order to keep this racket going they have spent hundreds of millions of dollars on campaigns and activist causes convincing Blacks that they can’t make it on their own. The white man is their enemy. And because of how poorly they have been treated they will receive welfare – as long as they have a broken home. The Black community has been under attack ever since civil rights law was passed.

    • Hart Noecker

      omg your mind is f*ck’d, homie.

      • Tim Wise

        I hope those ni99ers you love so much rape and kill some members of your family. See how much you love the apes then!

  • Tim Gillette

    Really this is messed up, next week those who would have jobs from this project will be begging us to feed them and give them higher wages to serve unhealthy food at a fast food chain..
    Yes lets throw out opportunity so we can stay on unemployment, or have low paying jobs so we can complain about how the white man makes more money than us.
    The problem with activist they are always in favor of taking the WRONG action.

  • http://fashionurbia.com Fashion Urbia

    why would you completely lie about this story ? almost none of it is true

    • Qari

      What parts aren’t true?

      • lash

        the suspense is killing me

      • Lazlo

        The part about a respectable business wanting to open a store in a neighborhood infested with feral Blacks.

  • AsktheWhiteGuy

    Charles Shaw is definitely unwelcome in that neighborhood. Trader Joe’s wouldn’t have been rejected if they had agreed to sell fortified wines such as Thunderbird, Night Train, Mad Dog 20-20, and malt liquors such as Olde English 800, King Cobra, Crazy Horse, Schlitz, and Colt 45.

    • Qari

      You seem to be a connoisseur of such beverages judging by your extensive knowledge. Do you have a particular favorite good sir?

    • kweeuu63

      Obviously, you’re not from Portland.

  • Rusty Updegraff

    wow.so am I understanding this correctly, if white people make the neighborhood basically a better place to live with their Trader Joe’s, gentrifying it, then does that mean blacks bring it down and they want it to stay that way. So then if a store opened in a predominately white neighborhood or say a soul food restaurant or a hip hop club that drew blacks to it, then it would be okay for a white organization to stop it? Got it. Hypocrisy.

    • Zendigger

      I was wondering the same thing. Also, what about some of the products from africa they sell, like the kenyan Coffee? Can’t they give a brother from Africa a break?

      • Andrew

        Well they could, but by the same logic you should be charged more for American raised products, because you’re NOT American…

    • ABRAHAM WEINSTEIN

      Who is talking about gentrification? How do whites make any neighborhood better? Comprehension problem? The issue is property being sold to Trader Joes at a far less price than the people in that African American community would have been charged. Most African American communities suffer the same BIGOTRY across america with property grotesquely overpriced when it comes to them attempting to purchase and in many cases they are outwardly DENIED purchasing. This property went from 3 MILLION for African Americans to 500,000 dollars for whites…WHY THE EXTREME PRICE DROP? Because the desire of whites is to keep African Americans oppressed/uneducated/in poverty, lacking business and it is done by making it impossible for them to start a business/keep a business.

  • holleyhobby

    wow…..America has been thrust into this ridiculous racial issuing of everything…If you look at the facts of the racial makeup of America, it is predominantly Caucasian, which means no matter where or what the hell is built it will with probable certainty see Caucasian customers, and since when has that been gentrification? Having politicians who rally for “Black Communities” is like rallying for segregation all over again…WTF???? Slipping backwards folks!

    • Ricotta

      I’m down for a return to segregation.

      How many people do you think we can cram into the Detroit area if we build a wall around it?

    • ABRAHAM WEINSTEIN

      Obviously your “FACTS” are extremely skewed. The majority of people (90 percent to be exact) in america live in the cities…. Every major city in america is predominately AFRICAN AMERICAN, hence whites are the true MINORITY in america and whites being barely 5 percent of the worlds population are a tiny minority in america and on the planet. With that has come the endless lying in order for them to have great political representation in order to keep the power structure in place that has benefited them and them only since SLAVERY. It really is a shame that given the financial state of america, the fact that it is 2014, the horrendous unemployment situation in america, the political strife etc we are still looking squarely in the face of BIGOTRY that has destroyed more destructively than any war ever has.

      • kweeuu63

        Portland, however, is not predominantly black.

      • Bbbbb

        Hey dumbass where did you learn math? Majority is >= 50%

        Americans 308,745,538 100.0 %
        White 223,553,265 72.4 %
        African American 38,929,319 12.6 %
        Asian American 14,674,252 4.8 %
        Native Americans or Alaska Native 2,932,248 0.9 %
        Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 540,013 0.2 %
        Some other race 19,107,368 6.2 %
        Two or more races 9,009,073 2.9 %

        • bd1143bc

          Math is a racist.

  • LibOne

    The “Mayor” and the A-holes ( of which he is one) from the Portland African “LEADERSHIP” are part of the PLANTATION OWNERS that want to keep the minorities in this country DUMBED DOWN, IGNORANT and DEPENDENT on others. They’re NO different from the slave owners of old! PATHETIC!!

  • dmgng

    Leaders of the Portland African American Leadership Forum said they were pushing back against the city’s history of displacing African Americans, not Trader Joe’s planned store at Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and Alberta Street. Another thing is that it wasn’t going to be just a TJ store but a retail
    shopping center. What’s the purpose of bringing in ‘white’ retail shops
    and how long before they leave?

    For goodness sakes, how many employees do you think Trader Joes would hire? What’s all the fuss about; it’s not a supermarket but a health food store. Why should TJ be forced down a predominately African-American black neighborhood? I’m sure it’ll fit better in a mixed neighborhood, don’t you think?

    By the racist remarks on some comments there’s still a long way to go, if ever in
    America, where all people will be treated equal, regardless of the color of their skin. Racism has always been alive but in a subtle way of suppression, not with our first black President racism is rearing it’s ugly head and striking in oppression again!

    • UkraineTrain

      It’s a grocery store, not a health food store.

    • Crunkomatic

      I don’t think it’s racism. I think people are tired of a culture of jack@ssery that many blacks have embraced, the same culture that drags them downward more and more.

      • ABRAHAM WEINSTEIN

        IT is the same racism you are spewing in this post. Condemning a people you obviously don’t know….

    • kweeuu63

      It isn’t a predominantly black neighborhood now although it used to be.

  • Dick_Gosinya

    And people wonder why we can’t have anything nice. Hope the local African-American community holds out until some Korean or Muslim conglomerate buys up the property and builds a liquor store, pawn shop and check cashing place. Then the locals will be happy.

    • ABRAHAM WEINSTEIN

      Did you even read the article Dick?? The property has sat in the African American community for years with a price tag of nearly 3 MILLION dollars. That price keeps pretty much any small to medium sized business from ever being able to afford setting up shop there…a COMMON PRACTICE. TRADER JOE entered the picture and all of a sudden the price of the property was adjusted down to 500,000 dollars for them?…Why not for the African Americans in the community?. The fight was not and is not over Trader Joes, which was/is welcomed…It is over preference being given to Trader Joe over the community, which also had plans to develop the area, but were kept from doing so because of the high sale price. This same practice is done across america and is why places like Harlem, Watts, Compton, Chicago etc can not have much development in their African American communities…it is because whites OWN the properties in those communities and make it IMPOSSIBLE for them to start any type of business without first laying down HUGE sums in real estate costs and start up costs, but when a white business desires to start a business in the same area, they are given concessions of all type from the city/property owner/state to get started…

      Learn facts before you open your mouth.

      • Eliot Whitney

        Abraham- if the property sat in the “African American community for years”, why wasn’t it developed by the African American community instead of sitting vacant? Are you suggesting that a minority business offered to purchase the property and was denied based on race? Maybe the property owners got tired of an empty building and wanted to do something constructive…. Thanks to morons like you, it will continue to be an empty building, generating zero jobs, a blight on your community.

        • Randle Maliki

          It’s amazing how you all never truly understand what you read. Eliot Whiney, please read the story again. Then read it five more times before you respond. What Abraham Weinstein said hit the nail on the read. But I guess some people will never truly understand.

        • kweeuu63

          Actually the buildings on the land were torn down years ago.

      • kweeuu63

        When the land was cheap, the black community didn’t develop it. I lived in that community for over 15 years. They could find a partner for development.

        • Hart Noecker

          They land was bought and held onto by the PDC, who have been gobbling up land and pushing families out of their homes in NE Portland for 50 years.

          • ksn2020

            They’re so bad and heartless! Wahhh!!!

      • Jack Troughton

        A) You have to prove that a white person owns this particular place (and not a Jewish white person, cause that’s Jewish person- a very conspicuously absent character in looking at who owns what, racially…)
        B) You then have to prove racism, and not simply sterile captialism is the reason for the pricing.
        C) You need to present a valid reason (that others agree with) why people need to segregate themselves along long-disproven lines, and hence why people of a different colour being near blacks is so damaging for them (it’s kinda like trying to prove why gays shouldn’t marry each other near Christians…)
        D) These people are racists, why are you defending racism?

  • Sean McLaughlin

    True racism right here folks. I wouldn’t care if a black owned or Hispanic owned or middle eastern owned, etc. business located in my neighborhood. Because good people are good people period.

  • FUALSHARPTON

    Now why isn’t the community being sued? Why hasn’t this reached national news? The racist bigots in that town that want a blacks only neighborhood!

    • kweeuu63

      They won’t get it here in Portland because there aren’t enough black people.

    • Jack Troughton

      Too many self-hating whites backing them up. “Oh please whip us some more, superior African AMericans. People who have nothing to do with us enslaved people who have nothing to do with you, and it’s all our fault!”

  • auth

    “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations.”
    The only reason you are still oppressed, is because you continue to oppress yourselves, with idiocy like this. No one else is oppressing you. Grow up already.

  • allan pochop

    Well it is hard to deal with dumb people, but stupid, there isn’t a chance.

  • wingman

    Omg I thought we white people were supposed to be the racists here : O Blacks are hypocrites and they are the TRUE racists!

    • Jack Troughton

      Whites are the least racist group going AND the most harked on because of it. You could literally pick any other demographic, and they’re more racist, in worse ways.

  • Gsquared

    Amazing! The Trader Joes in my neighborhood has a healthy mix of all races shopping and working there. Do they think black men and women don’t eat healthy? What an insult to their intelligence!!! And how racist to want to keep a race out of the neighborhood. Man, if that was reversed…..

  • POA

    “They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.”

    That’s not racist at all. The truth is black leaders hate blacks. How dare someone try to bring good jobs to a black community? Stay poor and oppressed at the hands of your own black leaders. That’ll show those white devils! smh

  • kweeuu63

    I lived in the neighborhood in Portland where this store was going to go. When we moved there in 1991, it was predominantly black but it isn’t predominantly black at all anymore. It’s very mixed. This was a completely stupid move by the black community. One of their protest points was that the land was worth over $2M but was sold to TJ’s for $500K.

  • Gringo

    Wait a minute…I thought whites were only racist against blacks? Now blacks have the power to keep whites out of their neighborhood?

    • bsmsnudge

      It’s not that simple, implicit with the opening of a Trader Joe’s would be the disruption of established communities via the process of gentrification.
      I won’t repeat that which Hart Noecker has written just above, but he gives the gist of it pretty well.
      From my perspective, I am an old white guy that lives in a house that until a couple of years ago was not trendy and thus my taxes were reasonable and reflected the services that i received from the city.
      Over the last two years, the city has converted old schools into expensive loft type apartments, it has promoted itself as an art Mecca and subsequently the property values have soared, my taxes have doubled in the respect of that increase in value. The upshot is that myself and others living locally, (some for three generations in the same house) are being forced to move and it is disrupting entire neighborhoods because of it.
      Now you might think that that is just fine, well I happen to disagree and honestly think that de facto leveraging of people out of their homes in the pursuance of profit is disgusting.

      • Linda Mitchell

        So, i just want to understand this… a company that will bring in high paying jobs to black Americans, after a black owned construction company would build the building, and this company offers low prices for quality products…. but that is an attempt to: “contributing to the destructive impact of gentrification and displacement of the African American community.”

        Yet it is OUR race that holds them (black Americans) down? I am speechless!

        • Hart Noecker

          I wish you were speechless. This had nothing to do with Trader Joe’s and everything to do with the backroom deals of the PDC.

          • Linda Mitchell

            Well aren’t you the clever one. I do not remember speaking to you! Since you have chosen to put your two cents in, I will rephrase my opinion. The black community accuses the white community for never doing anything for them except holding them down. A company known for going above and beyond for their people (employees) who wanted to bring employment to the area, is turned away because white community is now trying to destroy the black community. I’ve heard the expression cut your nose off to spite your face.

            Then there are completely RUDE people like you who exist only to try and make others feel bad. Fortunately, i have thick skin.
            ———————————————————————-
            Bsmsnudge: I understood what you were saying about property taxes. I can’t speak for this company, but sometimes, people really do want to do the right thing. I don’t feel that I personally would call them just a typical corporation who doesn’t care about people. Clearly, this is not true since they are trend setting and they go above and beyond to take care of their employees. My neighborhood is mixed race and my son would love to be able to find a job with a company like theirs. There aren’t any jobs around here, unfortunately.

          • Hart Noecker

            The so-called ‘black’ community, as you put it, isn’t accusing, or asking, anything from any ‘white’ community. They are asserting their own rights over their own community, nothing more. If you’re so offended by that, perhaps you’d brush up on that whole personal Liberty thing.

          • Linda Mitchell

            Provided I’m not blamed for holding someone down, it is their decision to turn away jobs and opportunity.

            I see you are the spokesperson for this “community.” Apparently, you are offended by everyone who doesn’t agree with you 100%. I have no further desire to engage in “communication” with you, because you are incredibly rude and argumentative. Go find someone else to make your entertainment for the evening/morning.

          • Hart Noecker

            I speak for nobody but myself. Again, nobody has asked you to do anything other than have empathy with those fight to stay in their homes.

          • Jack Troughton

            Sorry, clear your head up: they’re fighting to keep white people away from their homes. Because of their unresolved prejudice.

          • Deva Bryson Winblood

            I believe most people could get behind you on that aspect. However, it was not presented that way by the people pushing for it. They used specific skin color references. As people stated, that is what makes this racist. If it had simply stated “poor community” and left the black part out it would not have been racism and I doubt it would be getting this reaction. In fact, I doubt it would have even been a news article here. What people are reacting to here is the very clear and obvious racism. I am no fan of racism, sexism, insert-ism, bigotry and bias. I do not believe separatism is desireable. People that still believe that are one of the reasons racism still thrives in some places. There are plenty of poor caucasian people as well. I’ve been one most of my life. That doesn’t mean I do not also have indian, and african american ancestry. It simply means the dominant genes from all my ancestors came out white. I am definitely a pale skin. Though I NEVER judge a person by skin color, gender, etc. I wait and listen to what they say and how they act. This action (at least the way it was phrased) is no better than that of the white people who practiced separation in the mid-20th Century. They had similar reasons they used to justify such separation as well.

            EDIT: Personally I think racists should move. If they are forced out of their separation then perhaps their racism will quit being a circle jerk and will stop growing. Perhaps they’ll start thinking of people as human rather than as black/white/yellow/red.

          • Xavier

            Oh bullshit. There is no “own community”. You can’t demand racial equality then demand “white” businesses be kept separate. What would happen if a white neighborhood refused to let a business locate there because it would attract too many black customers? Perhaps you should brush up on that whole personal Liberty thing.

          • Hart Noecker

            There is a community. Don’t be blind.

          • Xavier

            I was quoting you. Try again, troll.

          • Hart Noecker

            You don’t live here, you don’t know the community.

          • john doe

            And that community is made up of individuals and individuals can move in, move out, buy a business or close it down. Free will. Free market. This is not a dictatorship the last time I checked… but then again, Obama thinks it is and it’s clear every time he opens his ignorant mouth. I will bet all my money you voted for Obama… twice

          • TheSlot1942

            ” They are asserting their own rights over their own community, nothing more.”

            I’ll have you remember your own words the next time a “non-oppressed” community attempts the very same thing. Attempting to sound educated and/or enlightened does not necessarily make one so.

          • Apollo N. Morales

            There is no right over a “community”, they do not have a right to dictate what other people can and can’t do with their own property. The only rights are individual rights, and if those particular individuals do not want to sell their property then they have a right not to, but no community board has a right to command and control what particular individuals do for the sake of the so-called community.

          • john doe

            No, no, no, liberal progressives don’t see people as individuals. They see them as part of society. If you have a child, it’s not your child, it’s society’s child. That is how their warped minds think.

          • Ricotta

            Their welfare cheques and food stamps sure as hell aren’t coming from black taxpayers.

          • Jack Troughton

            They’re actually being racist. You can’t exclude people from anything based on their skin colour. Else, everyone can.

          • john doe

            And they have that right, BUT then blacks (not all, just the ones that do) need to stop continuing to blame others for their failures (aka- lazy asses)

          • john doe

            BTW- That’s called discrimination based on race. That sir, is RACIST. I know, facts make you uncomfortable when they don’t play into your narrative.

          • john doe

            Is the bubble you live in made of saran wrap or plastic?

        • bsmsnudge

          It is not a black or white thing, it is a capitalist thing, money at the expense of any that get in the way.

        • john doe

          I know, it makes sense right? That’s because they want blacks to continue to live in poverty so they depend on government and liberal politicians get their vote. It’s that simple. But MSNBC and CNN will continue spewing race baiting garbage and black whitey. Excuse me – conservative whitey.

          • Linda Mitchell

            I do see the politicians and media to blame for the fuel they love to add. Too bad no one is focusing on how to improve relations between the black and white communities.

          • john doe

            Well don’t expect Alice Sharpton and Messy Jackson to improve relations. All they know how to do well is continue to divide.

      • Jack Troughton

        And look at that! You’re a dirty old reprehensible pale faced cracker! It’s almost as if you needn’t be black or brown to suffer oppression and discrimination and… these people are just racists with thinly veiled sentiments!

      • john doe

        Soon as you said you agree with Noecker, that is when I stop reading your comment. Not sure what you being forced out of your home has to do wit Trader Joe’s wanting to open a store in a black neighborhood. But okay.

  • Hart Noecker

    The core tradition of urban dehumanization is the driving force for Western cities: the accumulation of capital. Where people gather to share and commune, there exists a concentration of institutions with profit motives derived from dividing and displacing. After all, you can’t make much money in real estate if everyone stays where they are. You have to leverage political and economic mechanisms to coerce people out of old homes – by force when necessary – and into new ones. Fortunately, there are marketing terms like ‘sustainable’, ‘green’, and ‘smart growth’ to mask the malevolence of disaster capitalism. Linguistic adaptation is the key to socially acceptable economic purging.

    So going back to the OP, when PAALF refers to “non-oppressed populations”, they’re speaking of those people privileged enough to overcome or even gain from these market forces, which, historically, are middle-class whites in Portland. Even if Trader Joe’s brought in jobs for a few people from the community, undoubtedly property value goes up. Which is fine if you’re privileged enough to own property. But if you’re a lower class who rents, you’re going to be forced out. It’s important to remember gentrification comes from ‘gentry’ which literally means ‘higher class’.

    http://rebelmetropolis.org/urbanicide-the-murder-of-cities/

    • jomo

      what junk.
      where do think all these people will come from and just how long will it take to displace all the blacks that you claim are entitled to live where they are in poverty with no chance to improve their lives?

      the idea that tons of white folks are rushing into the area to buy homes because trader joes opened a store is so laughable it hardly needs a response were it not for the arrogant claim you make that it is true.

      while you are being so sensitive to the needs of those who dont want jobs and a better living area i notice you dont offer a plan to actually achieve it.

      typical of people that wear invisible badges but understand less than zero.

      perhaps free money is the answer you only know?

      • ksn2020

        It’s typical. Sensitive guys like Noecker sit with their IPhones, laptops and every other convenience known to man and bemoan how awful capitalism is. Whatever.

        • john doe

          Isn’t it ironic, lol….They bash the very thing they enjoy

    • Apollo N. Morales

      Noecker just spews out leftists anti-capitalist rhetoric to justify nonsense and backwardness. The only thing that is going to get people out of poverty is capitalism not more leftists controls and regulations based on “social justice” and “democracy”. If you got the government out of real estate and had a truly free market would you even have Portland Development Commission?

    • Jack Troughton

      Corelation is not causation. There are plenty of rich people of all shades and backgrounds in America by now for none of that to be relevant to this issue. Notice how your statements DEMAND the caveat of “generally”, “historically’, and the like to cling to any semblance of truth. You know yourself that these are statements held up by the surface tension of people afraid to call them bs for fear of being labelled some kind of “____-ist”. I know you know this.

      This is just racism being given safe haven, pure and simple.

    • john doe

      More ignorant comments from you. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

    • spinworthy

      You are correct in your analysis. In this situation, it really is a matter of poverty and the dynamics of real-estate capitalism. Most poor urban dwellers (regardless of ethnicity) do not hold title to property, and are lifelong renters, regardless of whether the state is footing the bills. When considering the returns on their property investments, it is a given that the option to sell or develop becomes very attractive. In either case, the poor tenants must go.
      In this case the poor community is largely ethnically cohesive and has unfortunately chosen to play a hand from the ‘race card’ deck. Here we see a common, non-racially motivated capitalist dynamic, being cast as a racially-centric issue. This needs to be called out for what it is. These people definitely have a point in respect to their decision to safeguard their economic interests, it’s just that the racial spin is unnecessarily polarizing.

    • Jake77

      “if you’re privileged enough to own property”. You are indicating property is just given over to the “privileged” as if they didn’t work their asses off to qualify. Thy studied in school and or had a good work ethic and moved up in the company they worked for or saved their money and risked it on starting their own business. “Privileged” – load crap. They earned it.

      • Hart Noecker

        You’re indicating a misunderstanding of your own privilege.

  • Xavier

    This is great. Portland black leaders have admitted, in writing, that they don’t want to assimilate into American culture – they want to run a separate society within a society, and want to get special treatment to protect that society. Sound like any other groups you know?

    • Hart Noecker

      So you’re admitting you won’t assimilate into American culture by being racist?

      • Xavier

        Go get better trolls. No wonder they put you on the overnight shift.

      • Jack Troughton

        No, the black people in Portland are refusing to assimilate through THEIR racism. You’re very confused.

      • john doe

        Wow you’re truly dumb

      • Jamie Wilson

        Dude, “I know you are but what am I?” is not really a valid debate strategy.

  • Xavier

    New employees start out at $10-20/hr., supervisors make $45k-75k/yr. and store managers bring in six-figure salaries. Also, the company makes regular contributions to employee 401k accounts.

    Another fine example of “White devils keepin’ us down”.

  • Evone

    Seriously people… So who made the decision? Did they vote? This was a great opportunity for them to make better wages for themselves and look what they did to the construction company that was African American. They screwed their own from prospering. Just more sickness in the black,white polka dot green thing. Let it go people. If you want to live in a lower “class” I hate that word because it means separation, but if you never want to get better then just sit there and rot. You have choices just like everyone else fro God sake start making good ones ahhhhhh. Seriously this is just wrong and they are still pulling the black verses white card. It was a long time ago and I didn’t make anyone a slave. Bad things happen to us all if you continue to carry around the heavy baggage of what happened 100′s of years ago then you will always feel like that is how you should be treated. I am so proud to see African Americans, that have thrown the baggage out and they are living as everyone should be living. Free and abundant. They are the only ones now, holding themselves back. Sorry needed to rant. Peace and Prosperity to every living being here upon this world.

    • fred

      we are all still being punished for zionist slavery

      • 12grace

        Jewish slavery?

  • Thomas Slavin

    If folks are walking around calling themselves ‘oppressed’, then they are. But only by themselves.

    • jomo

      silly comment

      • Jack Troughton

        Yours WAS a silly comment. Odd that you’d point that out yourself though…

      • Tom223

        The Blacks in America are being held down by lies – provided by those who would use them. If they ever got started for real no amount of political activism to “help” them could stop them from succeeding. Over and over again they are told to hate white people because white people are keeping them down. As long as they focus their energy on hate they will never focus it on what’s necessary to climb out the hole that was dug for them by politicians and other haters.

        • Defiant

          Thanks Captain Obvious! But I must agree…

  • Forebearance

    In the “predominantly black” neighborhoods in the city where I live, there’s actually a reverse Darwinism occurring. Whenever there is a drive-by shooting or some gang-related violence, the victim is almost always a black teen who was working 3 jobs to support his mother and siblings, sang in the church choir, was a member of the Boy Scouts and planning to be a doctor. The black “communities” — if you can even call them that — are devouring their future hope.

    • 12grace

      It’s very sad.

    • Tim Wise

      Don’t forget they were also an aspiring cRAPPER and promising affleete!

  • Pat Davis

    Wish they’d open a Trader Joe’s closer to where I live. How come only cities of over a quarter million population are considered for a TJ’s store.

  • ess

    Of course, the issue is a bit more subtle than a story on Ben Swann’s site is likely to report. Living in northwestern cities is far more expensive than in most parts of the country and gentrification is a real issue:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/02/portland_african_american_lead_2.html

  • Jack Troughton

    You could show a little bit more conscience in reporting this. This is a very serious offense. This is open, actively cultivated prejudice. When they say “racism isn’t dead” this is like, poster-child exemplary.

    • Lee

      Racism, bigotry, sexism… etc., are far from dead, good sir. Only things that died are, chivalry and critical thinking.

      • Anthony Buisc

        Exactly, case in point: The author’s lack of critical thinking in executing his reporting of this story.

        Here’s the REAL story: If the City and State insist on subsidizing the private sector, Portlanders insist that those subsidies should go to local mom & pop businesses, not to giant out of state franchises like Trader Joes.

        Why? Because an inflationary increase in property value due to an influx of wealthier SUBSIDIZED businesses and building contracting, causes a displacement of local mom & pop businesses and the WORKING CLASS (predominantly white) COMMUNITY.

        That’s right, what Michael Lotfi forgot to mention is the fact that the neighborhood
        in question is a predominantly white neighborhood, as most of the
        people in Portland are white, just like me. I should know, I live in
        Portland.

        Which is why ya gotta love how all the fake libertarians come out in droves to show their true colors when it comes to their love for corporate welfare subsidies to non-local businesses like Trader Joes.

        I mean, are these people libertarians? Or are these folks in favor of corporate welfare subsidies? Because that’s the real issue here. All the other crap characterized in this article is just that; a pile of nonsense derived from the authors own ignorance of Portland business, politics and/or his apparent bias or desire to get more internet traffic to the site.

        Shameless, but it worked.

        • 12grace

          The left has attacked Trader Joe’s all over America so the issue for you is not racism but you can’t really say that for the government .

      • Jack Troughton

        Ofcourse they’re not. I said that.

        Chivalry being what? The expectation of men to provide, protect, sacrifice, fight, and even die with dutiful enthusiasm is still present today, we’re just more accepting if women ALSO choose to do this, though just as accepting if they don’t. So I’d say it’s misandry and it’s far from dead.

        And critical thinking well, you’ll have no argument from me there.

  • religionandhistory

    So we build them little pink houses and keep the poverty alive to strengthen the liberal voting block. Those we deliberately impoverish by policy and procedure watch blindly or in fear as they decade after decade economically destroy themselves and their neighbors ?

    • Todd Clemmer

      Progressivism: ain’t it great?

  • http://timsticle.com Tim Cox

    This is as racist as white activists getting mad over a soul food restaurant opening in a predominantly white neighborhood

    • Lee

      I’m black and I agree lol

  • Deva Bryson Winblood

    Interesting thing I just thought of. Do you realize what would happen if an organization like the PAALF existed for white people? There would be an outrage. Portland Area Caucasian Leadership…. PACL…. Do you think such an organization would be permitted to exist? I seriously doubt it. There would be shouts of outrage about racism. I am white and I’d be shouting about it too. How is it possible such an organization as PAALF exists without a similar outrage? Why not just call it Portland Leadership Forum and leave race out of it? Only answer I can think of is racism, and discrimination.

    • Jake77

      You are correct. It doesn’t take much effort to see through that veil to hypocrisy. Along with the entitlement attitude comes the “entitlement” to only apply principles of right and wrong to the “enemy”. In their minds, two wrongs do make a right. And they can do just about any wrong they wish because they’ve been mistreated.

  • Uncle_Meat

    Of course this isn’t racism. Only white people are racist. What do you expect in Libtard land where white guilt flourishes.

    • Lee

      FINALLY someone admits it.

  • Pete

    Would you open up a Trader Joe’s in downtown Toronto, please? It sure would save me a lot of money in gas and airplane tickets!

  • Todd Clemmer

    Whats really humorous is that most whites (not all) who shop at Trader Joes agree with the activists.

    • Jake77

      Possibly. I don’t agree and neither do my family or friends. Unfortunately some people spend their lives in sickening sympathy for others and want to pity them rather than encouraging them to make in I life on their own.

  • ChantelleMoore

    You see, They’re dancing a jig to Obama’s plantation tunes! “Step for the Masta Obama” says Chuck Schumer, Axelrod and Hillary”. We white people simply want blacks as well as all others to have equality in all areas, lets be friends, neighbors, coworkers, co- business owners, success for all! But Obama thronesniffers and rump swabs want blacks to quit being uppity and stay in line and vote DEMMY. Progressives enslave blacks, conservatives want us ALL to succeed. Allaha Ackbar Obama!

    • slobis

      So much anger, so little else…

  • Jaytee2

    I really question the validity of this story. I entered the title in Google and not one reputable or national news site is reporting this story. All of the reports are from individual, mainly conservative blogs. Fox News, who would be all over this type of reverse racism story, hasn’t even reported this. Sounds like another urban legend gone wild. With today’s economic conditions and high level of unemployment, this story sounds as reputable as Cinderella.

  • jay2010master

    So
    lets get this right. Blacks which have one of the highest health risk
    in the world, some of the poorest communities, and constantly complain
    about low wage jobs have an opportunity to get a store that pays a
    decent wage, provide healthy food at a discount, and possibly make you
    more healthy. Hmmm. This coming from a person who is married to a black
    woman – so don’t even say I am a racist. It sounds like the supposed
    leaders of this city are idiots for one, and two blame everyone else
    (white) for their situation without regard of trying to change it. Dumb.
    I would chalk this up to the wingnuts like Al Shaprton that get these
    people to follow stupid policies.

    • Jaytee2

      Apples for 1.49 a lb vs. $89 cents a pound is not a discount. 1 lb of ground beef for 3.99 vs. 5 lbs. for $8.99 is not a discount. You’re not racist…just unrealistic

      • jay2010master

        If you want higher wages you need to pay higher prices. This is simple economics. Also the food is better than the crap that other stores sell. If you make a decent wage you can by those apples for 1.49. This is what I call a short sighted reason to not leave a store come in and let them try to bring their workers to a living wage instead of poverty. Unless these people really want to live on welfare – or should I say everyone else’s dime then so be it.

      • jay2010master

        I would say that you are not realistic if you expect higher wages without paying more in price for the consumption of those said services or products. Unless your liberal, maybe the math makes sense to you to take the money from others to pay for the difference of those apples. What you are doing then is stealing from a person in the form of an allowance, welfare program, or tax credit (like healthcare) to subsidize what you don’t want to pay for or supposedly don’t make enough money to pay for.Funny thing is that if you were making 12 or 15 hour you would be able to pay for those apples at the higher price and raise the standard of living for your family and many others. But it sounds like the liberal streak tell you to keep asking for hand outs from others and not help yourself – even when the opportunity exist.

      • 12grace

        Someone is buying the food.

    • 12grace

      I think your point is well-taken, It’s too bad that Americans are afraid to give their opinion with out having to state they aren’t a racist. Ever notice, how the real racist are usually the one’s casting dispersions on others?

  • Lee

    It’s hilarious, I am actually black and I find the decisiabout absolutely idiotic, especially if they don’t seem to help pull those people in their community out of the hole, on top of that, I wonder if any of the benefits were disclosed to the people of the neighborhood, because “the leaders” could very well be a bunch of idiots and if I was stuck there as a young person who wasn’t at the time able to move, I’d be pissed.
    That being said, the rest of you idiots, don’t throw all black people under the bus, many of us work hard and don’t wait for “ow gubment checks” as someone else put it. I hate people in general because aside from people like that in the article there are idiots in the comments section spreading bigotry and say “I’m not racist”, along with the “OBAMA IS A MUSLIM ANTI-CHRIST, and this is his fault, the Jesus in my toast told me so.” Sometimes, all you have to do is step back and watch the sides that hate each other fight and see how alike they are. But continue, I was angry at first but now it’s laughable.

  • Anthony Buisc

    Awe, ya gotta love how all the fake libertarians come out in droves to show their true colors (pardon the expression) when it comes to their love for corporate welfare subsidies to non-local businesses like Trader Joes.

    Are you people libertarians? Or are you folks in favor of corporate welfare subsidies? Because that’s the real issue here.

    But poor Ben Swann, he must be so hard up for internet traffic that he’s willing to shamelessly play the race card while virtually ignoring the real story; an inflationary increase in property value due to an influx of wealthier SUBSIDIZED businesses and building contracting, causes a displacement of local mom & pop businesses and the WORKING CLASS (predominantly white) community.

    That’s right, kiddos, what Ben Swann forgot to tell you is that the neighborhood in question is a predominantly white neighborhood, as most of the people in Portland are white, just like me. I should know, I live in Portland.

    (shakes head disapprovingly) Way to be the poster children for Fake Libertarianism, er I mean, Idiocracy…you all play into the hands of neoconservationism like foolish liberals play into the hands of neoliberalism.

    • Anthony Buisc

      Here’s the REAL story: If the City and State insist on subsidizing the private sector, Portlanders insist that those subsidies should go to local mom & pop businesses, not giant out of state franchises like Trader Joes.

      All the other crap characterized in this article is just that; a pile of nonsense derived from the authors own ignorance of Portland business, politics and/or his apparent bias or desire to get more internet traffic to the site.

      Shameless, but it worked.

      • Lee

        Oh, I like you. But people with a superiority complex will always be drawn to stuff like this. It makes them feel better about themselves.

    • William Douglas Sandberg

      The racial factor still applies though, this is in Northeast Portland, which has the highest concentration of blacks, right? I agree this is an economic issue but it doesn’t negate the fact that the economic issue applies largely to blacks in that particular area of the city.

      • Anthony Buisc

        The falsely inflated price of property value due to the influx of subsidized out of state corporations, effects every working class stiff who lives in Northeast Portland, and the city as a whole.

        That’s the point this article fails to recognize. The blue collar struggle doesn’t discriminate as to which neck it surrounds.

        The author of this article is the one playing the race card.

      • Lee

        Why is it always about race? Here he brings up the point that’s not what it’s actually about, and here you are trying to drive it in there. *evil grin*

    • dave

      so you are telling us black activists and black politicians are running trader joes out of a white neighborhood because it might attract more whites? Why do I find that hard to believe?

      • Anthony Buisc

        Regardless of the complexion of ones skin, the falsely inflated price of property values due to the influx of tax-payer subsidized out of state corporations, effects every working class stiff who lives in Northeast Portland, and the city as a whole.

        Get it? It’s the same type of effect NAFTA has on the country as a whole, because corporatism outsources and centralizes services that can be provided through more local, decentralized mom & pops franchising. That’s what lifts a community, a city, a state, and a nation out of poverty and into economic prosperity, not state subsidies to giant corporations.

        That’s the point this article fails to recognize. The blue collar struggle doesn’t discriminate as to which neck it surrounds.

        It’s people like yourself and the author of this article who are playing the race card.

  • community organizer

    I owned a restaurant a few years back on the same block where this TJs would have been located. There is way more to this story than meets the eye. The bottom line is yes, the African American neighborhood is testy about the gentrification issue, and the PDC certainly has reached out to them, but in more of a way to shut them up than to actually include them. There was an African-American bakery on that same block that went out of business after about six months. They secured the loan directly from the PDC and then refused to pay it back! Then, they scrambled over to the Willamette Week — an alternative weeklie in Portland — blaming gentrification and non-white support for their failure when the bulk of their support came from young whites who lived in the neighborhood! Most blacks preferred to shop at corner convenience markets that sell alcohol and cigarettes, preferring Hostess Ho-Hos over artisan baked goods. Also the fact that a Safeway — with a full baking department — existed just a half a block north certainly didn’t help (this is why business plans are important). Apparently from my sources — which at the time worked directly inside the PDC office — this business received their funding (well over 100k) without prior experience of running a business or even a business plan! Instead of finding qualified African-Americans in that neighborhood who had the skills to run a successful business — and they are many, trust me! — they just doled out cash to a few so they could say they tried to include them. The fact is, they are the fabric of that community, why would you not want them to be part of the success of the neighborhood? I wish I had a dollar for every qualified, college educated African-American that I knew then that stopped into my restaurant to eat and showed me good business plans and complained that the PDC showed zero interest in them. I believe the PDC only wanted them to fail — a cheap price of doing business — so they could just move on to their original choices who were waiting in the wings. There is not enough space here to reveal the many problems and the profound arrogance of the PDC. What it boils down to is this: The PDC loves their opinion and feels as if they are the king-makers of the community. They patronize local African-Americans by tossing out loans here and there without actually considering if they are qualified. The PDC likes to come off as “progressive” and “honoring diversity” but only in a condescending nature. This deal certainly could have been done, had the PDC employed qualified people who know how to bring communities and corporations together, instead of pissing them off. To run a successful economic development organization in this city takes both business and communication skills! The sooner they dump these arrogant, Chris Christie-esque unprofessional types and hire brilliant and skilled professionals who know how to piece together these delicate neighborhoods, the better off this great city will be. It’s just not enough to run about touting yourself as “progressive” and “diverse,” you actually have to BE IT!

    • Lee

      You sir, are awesome. I learned something new that I was unaware of, plus changed my view. BUT unfortunately majority of the bigots who commented previously won’t see this, and the ones who will, will continue on their path of a narrow minded view.

    • Draken

      Any chance you could share some more stories on the subject?

  • Millie Zeiler

    It’s amazing that even in the 21st century racism continues to run rampant for no good reason at all.

    • Lee

      Be the change. As crappy as it is, it is better than what it once was. Bigotry, racism, whatever still runs the most rampant in the most isolated “communities” when they’re the size of who countries, we call them xenophobs lol. In any case a lot of it is solely based in fear, whether it’s the fear of a certain group taking over another group, a group losing their identity in some way, or the fear of not having major power to change their environment in someway. Unfortunately, a lot of the the fear is based on things which happened in the past and most of the fear is passed down from generation to another as protection in a sense. Most people don’t understand it unless they experience it firsthand. To simplify it in the least, and yes there’s a possibility of offense here, but I don’t give a damn at this point, think of a wounded animal, whose been mistreated, and you’re a loving person who is trying to help out. That wounded animal won’t trust you. Sure it may warm up to you gradually, but their will always be the douche bag kids in the background throwing rocks and yelling at it, becoming a firm reminder on why it shouldn’t trust you. Oh, on top of that it snaps at you to leave it alone, but the dickish kids in the background yell, “See, that’s what they do!” Now obviously there’s a huge difference between humans and animals but it’s an analogy in its simplest form.

      • 12grace

        Racism in America is worse than it’s ever been. Examples:1. Groups of Black people are kicking, punching and hospitalizing innocent non-black people everywhere in our country, on a daily basis. And the government does nothing about it and in fact, it’s called a game. 2. Hate crimes seems to mostly cover ugly crimes against Black people….where is equality of law? 3. In schools, the newest mandate, tells teachers they are not allowed to punish minority kids aka Black kids. So White or Asian kids can be punished but nor Black kids? Anyone been to the city schools lately? And the examples go on and on…

        • Lee

          That last one is for in fact bs. Teachers still punish students based on their behavior. I know because I’m friends with teachers, and Asian people are minorities as well… don’t v worry about the violence thing, it’s still WAY higher rates of black on black crime lol

          • 12grace

            I am unable to post links on this site to show you that the gov’t has NOW insisted that schools NOT punish Black students for misbehaving. So do a Google search and find our for yourself.

            Your comment about Black on Black crime doesn’t excuse Black people for attacking, kicking, punching and worse innocent White.

            Attacking innocent people of ANY race, is wrong, So maybe you can laugh yourself sick over those facts.

    • diamond dave

      racism will be here 4 ever, sorry but thats the truth, been like this from the beginning of life on this planet and you will not change it

    • Linda Patterson

      Thanks to the muslim in the White House who has set race relations back 100 years, he had done more damage than the kkk ever thought about doing and by the way most of the kkk were dumbocraps.

  • subframer

    “The Portland African American Leadership Forum” can go ____ itself.

  • wallery

    Perhaps if they built a run down version store from old lumber and screen doors, reduced the hours and pay and the quality of foods and goods?
    Perhaps if a white neighborhood said they didn’t want a cheap store in their area, they would be called racist by blacks?
    Perhaps some people really don’t know what is best for them and that is why they are in the shape they are in?
    If what you’re doing isn’t working- perhaps a thought should be given for a change in future plans? But that might work and we don’t want that…do we?

  • Alayna

    I really hate that these leaders are telling their own people they can’t shop at higher end places like Trader Joe’s. Trader Joe’s is a company, that’s not for white people or black or Hispanic people or whatever, it’s for humans, most of which are in the more wealthy of the population, and blacks CAN be apart of that population.

  • 12grace

    So it’s OK for trader Joe’s to cater to black people but not white people? Sounds racist, huh? This racist administration’s attitude has trickled down. This is disgraceful.

  • abinico

    No wonder the blacks are poor – they are stupid.

    • Lee

      Good sir, I’m not poor, nor am I stupid to any extent of the imagination.

    • kevin11falcon

      you’re a embarrassment

    • Anthony Buisc

      If you believe in tax payer subsidies to giant corporations instead of local businesses, then you’re not only stupid, you should do the world a favor and insure that you and your kids refrain from procreating.

      • diamond dave

        sometimes the truth hurts

  • I am what’s in my brain

    How the hell does this not further the stupid outdated notion that phenotype defines an individual?? Race is stupid, people should buy, live, eat and defecate wherever the hell they choose to despite of the amount of melanin in their skin. Humanity is very very stupid sometimes. Individuality should be encouraged instead of segregation and cultural clumping based on a very small set of genes. Why don’t they just open a Church’s Chicken on the lot that only plays hip-hop and further stupid stereotypes forever?

    Damn it, I’m not “white” and I like Trader Joe’s! (Ohh, that must mean I’m “white on the inside” because only white people buy there… bullshit!).

    • I am my brain

      Add: I’m definitely not white on the inside, I have parts that are red, blue, pink, brown, yellow, purple, etc. inside me, just like you and everyone else that is any “race” that has ever been invented by whatever culture, which varies depending on what part of the world you happen to be in…

  • canalway

    Looking over my shopping list right now. Hey does anybody know if Trader Joe’s Heroin is fresh and do they offer specials on needles?

    • Anthony Buisc

      I take it you fail to grasp that the neighborhood in question is predominantly white.

      That’s Ok, the author of this idiotic article failed to mention the fact. But still you’re still a bigot as far as I can tell.

      Thanks for showing your true colors!

      • ramblinmo

        Where did you see that the neighborhood is predominately white?
        AP article on Yahoo linked in story “PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The Trader Joe’s grocery-store chain has dropped a plan to open a new store in the heart of the city’s historically African-American neighborhood after activists said the development would price black residents out of the area.”

        • Anthony Buisc

          You seem to have missed the reference to “*historically* African American neighborhood”, operative word being HISTORY.

          That was before Portland experienced it’s latest round of gentrification. And no, that gentrification process of artificially driving up local land value to the detriment of the local working class community and mom & pop businesses, is not a race specific issue.

          IT’S A CLASS ISSUE….a working class issue.

        • Anthony Buisc

          I live in Portland. Born and raised!

  • francisco

    Did all the neighbors who could have used the store agree with The Portland African American Forum? Or is this organization just a few vocal self-appointed leaders who like the power to bully grocery stores while claiming to speak for all the people there?

    • Qari

      I think the issue is that the parcel was being sold at a discount to Trader Joe’s while everyone else had to pay the regular prices which was multiples of what it was offered to Trader Joe’s for. I can understand their disagreement, as this is injustice.

  • L84dnnr

    with the PDC, PAALF, Mayor. and the local people all working against each other, I’m sure they will be successful – in their hopey changey dreams.

  • http://www.youtube.com/kokutv kokupuff

    I think the message here has been oversimplified. Gentrifiers come in all colors, for one. I live in a developing neighborhood in Brooklyn, and while I may look like everybody else, I’m no “better” than the white people who stick out like a sore thumb here. If people were to have more involved conversations with me, they’d realize that my presence is as much to resent, if they are anti-gentrification, as the others.

    (If to be completely honest.)

    Getting that out of the way, a Trader Joe’s in my neighborhood would be completely devastating. It would impact so many local businesses, and lead to shutdowns. While I would personally benefit from their presence, I know it’s not really “good” for us.

    So it’s not so much a “Screw white people!” sentiment, but more of—is adding a Trader Joe’s to that tract of land beneficial from a community standpoint? Will people stop going to Mom’s Grocery Store or Pop’s Meat Market?

    It’s a similar argument to Walmart, but a bit different in that, yes, Trader Joe’s aren’t typically in impoverished neighborhoods, so having one in yours does increase its visibility, and make it more attractive to speculators. So I can understand why people have heightened emotions in that regard.

    Reducing people’s concerns to black vs. white is a bit insulting though. If that’s all people are gleaning from this, it sounds like there was a louder minority in this case.

    • LTE2

      “Will people stop going to Mom’s Grocery Store or Pop’s Meat Market?”
      .
      It appears in this case, the Mom’s and Pop’s are already long gone. That 10 additional smaller stores that were going to be added to the Trader Joe’s store, indicates that neighborhood didn’t have many retail outlet options.
      .
      Instead of making a stink, PAALF could have spent it’s time trying to arrange financing so a few of the satellite stores could have been leased by blacks. This would have been productive leadership by that organization.

      • http://www.youtube.com/kokutv kokupuff

        If that’s the case, I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. No need to drive out commerce if the area is dilapidated, or if there simply aren’t enough resources. Seems then that the reaction may have been hasty and myopic.

        It would’ve even been beneficial to also agree that local applicants be considered first for employment.

  • Charles Hollier

    None of this makes any sense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000183721392 Kaycee Andersen

    Proof that the sole purpose of black political organizations ISN’T to elevate African Americans but to keep them in poverty and oppression. Isn’t that slavery?

    • SNuss

      To quote Pres. Bush #43, it is ” the soft bigotry of low expectations”.

  • diamond dave

    why would they build it in a black hood ? when they would of lost more money than they made , with the stealing and the robberies and breaking into cars , trader joes dont sell rims for your car or fake eyelashes or fubu clothes

  • DeeDee

    BNot bringing Trader Joes to an all black community because it may bring whites to the community and gemderication is so idiotic. bringing Traders Joes to any community is good business sense. it forces the neighborhood grocery store to step its game up, fresher foods, quality, good paying jobs, which will allow many families a better quailty of life. disposable income to shop at the other retail stores I can go on and on. This was a bad choice for the community.

    • SNuss

      No, we need to change the generational dependency class that Leftists established with the War on Poverty, and instill a sense of individual initiative, so they can earn a good living, without government aid.

  • joecorea .

    I can see the issue though. The only way to get rid of the gang killings is to have the black communities displaced and dispersed. That is what they tried to do in Chicago, it didn’t work. The million dollar question is, exactly how do you help a black community, especially when they don’t want you there? We know giving free money through welfare is a total failure. What to do?

  • Pamela Ann-Hyatt Hutchins

    I think they should have a state run grocery store where “people” get there free food, i guess i shouldn’t say free, the working class are paying for your free shit…and make it mandatory that they buy nutrisious food and not all the HOHO’s DING DONG’s chips and soda pop they sit around and consume, and then want us to pay for there fat, sick and lazy asses, just saying

  • Zeek

    Another “food desert” in the making…

  • Sally

    Well you can have your chicken and waffles. Dumb f$&ks.

    • Michael Cashaw

      Does this reply make you feel better?

    • John Munro

      communications skills are easy contrary to popular belief. If you would not like it said to you do not say it. In the bible it is known as he golden rule.

  • Michael Cashaw

    As a person who has seen gentrification, and the effects it tends to have on minority communities, I understand the fear of gentrification. I think Trader Joe’s might want to do something similar to what Starbucks did in Atlanta with Magic Johnson.

  • Linda Patterson

    I have decided that you can’t please blacks regardless of what you do, we support them with welfare, free food with food stamps, free medical care, free cell phone and then when someone comes along with what could mean a good job and good pay for them they don’t want it, oh wait, that is why they are on welfare to begin with, they don’t want a job.

    • Anthony Buisc

      The majority of people on welfare are white.

      Why do the most idiotic people chime in on these threads?

      • jmark80

        Do you understand “per capita”? Before slinging around insults, it would be interesting to note the actual statistics.

        Do you understand hispanic vs white? Do you understand racial makeup in the US? Do you understand the actual numbers, or are you just parroting simplified numbers because they support your myopic worldview?

      • BettyWhite0321

        Check again. Remember now, blacks only make up 13 percent of the US population. http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

    • Michael Cashaw

      You seem to think it is only Blacks who are receiving Government assistance. When, from a numbers stand point, the majority of people receiving these assistance are not Blacks, but White Americans. So stop the race baiting. What these folks are attempting to do is stop gentrification, which is never good for the citizens of the targeted community.

      • WTF

        but the blacks disproportionately are on some form of government assistance. It you break it down , the same way crimes stats are analyzed, you would find that the blacks lead the pack.

        • Michael Cashaw

          This is where one must understand numerically, and percentage. A larger percentage of the Black population receives some for of Government aid, but numerically more Whites are on the dole. I would also check the FBI Crime Reports, because you might find something different.

          • jmark80

            Sure, lets talk about them.

            What specifically did you disagree with him on? That per capita far more blacks receive government assistance, or per capita, that they commit many times more crime? I will provide you with the statistics when you decide what you take issue with.

          • Dee Dee

            Here ya go, thought i’d help ya out with your stats.

            We can start here. While people of color make up about 30 percent of the United States’ population, they account for 60 percent of those imprisoned. Read that again, I’ll wait.

            Now here’s another. 1 in every 15 African American men and 1 in every 36 Hispanic men are incarcerated in comparison to 1 in every 106 white men. You got that, right? Okay, now let’s move on to the arrest statistics.

            Hate crimes 2012:
            Of the 5,331 known offenders, 54.6 percent were white and 23.3 percent were black. The race was unknown for 11.5 percent, and other races accounted for the remaining known offenders.
            http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2012-hate-crime-statistics

            Forcible rape 2012 13,886 ttl
            9,027 white 65%
            4,512 black 32.5%
            183 American Indian or Alaskan Native 1.3%
            164 Asian or Pacific Islander 1.2%

            Aggravated assault 2012 299,943 ttl
            188,505 White 62.8%
            102,371 Black 34.1%
            4,312 American Indian or Alaskan Native 1.4%
            4,755 1.6%

            Arson 2012 8,827 ttl
            6,500 White 73.6%
            2,083 Black 23.6%
            141 American Indian or Alaskan Native 1.6%
            103 Asian or Pacific Islander 1.2 %

            Offenses against the family and children 2012 81,762 ttl
            53,760 White 65.8 %
            25,698 Black 31.4 %
            1,740 American Indian or Alaskan Native 2.1%
            564 Asian or Pacific Islander .07%

            White males are leading in quite a few areas actually, the majority in fact,here’s lots more for you to look at if you want, sources above cited here as well.
            http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

            Here’s a few more:
            Arrests, by Race, 2012

            In 2012, 69.3 percent of all individuals arrested were white, 28.1 percent were black, and 2.6 percent were of other races.

            Of all juveniles (persons under the age of 18) arrested in 2012, 65.2 percent were white, 32.2 percent were black, and 2.5 percent were of other races.

            Of all adults arrested in 2012, 69.7 were white, 27.6 percent were black, and 2.7 percent were of other races.

            White individuals were arrested more often for violent crimes than individuals of any other race, accounting for 58.7 percent of those arrests.

            The percentages of black adults and white adults arrested for murder were similar, with 49.3 percent being black and 48.3 percent being white.

            Black juveniles accounted for 51.5 percent of all juveniles arrested for violent crimes. White juveniles accounted for 61.6 percent of all juveniles arrested for property crimes.

            Of the juveniles arrested for drug abuse violations, 74.0 percent were white.

            White juveniles accounted for 55.2 percent of juveniles arrested for aggravated assaults.
            http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

            And just one one more, (I just like to be thorough is all):
            Characteristics of offenders
            Race and crime in the United States
            (Note: According to the legal systems of the United States, Hispanic and/or Latin American persons are referred to as white.) For 2012, law enforcement made approximately 12,200,000 arrests nationally, down 200,000 from 2011. Arrested offenders in the United States tend to be male, over age 18, and white.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

            Okay, done.

          • jmark80

            I’m not sure what the point of that was. Do you disagree with something I posted? Absolutely nothing you just ranted on about had anything to do with what I said. Do you understand the term “per capita”, because given the statistics you just gave, it appears that you are the one who needs assistance in statistics.

            By all means, let me know what you disagree with, and I will provide you relevant statistics, instead of a wall of texts that has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

          • BettyWhite0321

            WOW seeing as blacks only make up 13 percent of the population, they’re really holding their own. Are you trying to say that you’re afraid Trader Joe’s employees would just end up victims?

          • Dee Dee

            Well BettyWhite0321, that tends to happen sometimes with gentrification, the area has historically been a residentially segregated black community so many people have just been pushed out is all. Looks like those that remain are still being attacked because they opted no on this Trader Joe’s even though there are 3 other Trader Joe’s within a 4-7 mile radius of this exact location. Seems pretty silly to me but obviously it has pissed a bunch of people off. You can read more about the affects for this particular community here if interested, although I highly doubt you are.

            http://www.pdx.edu/honors/sites/www.pdx.edu.honors/files/Hosford.pdf

          • SNuss

            @ Michael: Sorry, you are wrong. Blacks on government aid outnumber whites, both in percentage of the races, and in actual numbers of people.
            See: http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

          • Michael Cashaw

            Please show me where I am wrong? Yes, 39.8 percent of blacks receive welfare, while 38.8 of Whites receive welfare. This is just as I stated, but as I stated before, from a numbers standpoint, more Whites receive welfare than Blacks. Now from here one can figure out the number of Blacks, Whites, Asians, and others who receive welfare. If Blacks make up around 13% of the US population, and only 39.8% receive welfare, the number of Blacks receiving welfare is less than the number of Whites.

          • jmark80

            Holy shi…are you serious?

            Michael….seriously man. Your reading comprehension skills are not up to par right now.

            39% of the TOTAL welfare recipients are black. Not 39% of the number of blacks in the nation. Only about 4% of the total population of the US is on welfare.

            Yes. More blacks total are on welfare than whites. If you move the goalposts to per capita the numbers become even more extreme, with many times the percentage of blacks on welfare than whites.

            You are simply wrong.

            http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

            http://weaselzippers.us/157047-liberal-myth-debunked-in-new-report-on-welfare-statistics-more-blacks-than-whites-are-on-welfare/

            http://topconservativenews.com/2012/05/more-black-people-are-on-welfare-than-white-people/

          • Michael Cashaw

            As I have said before, numerically more Whites, but from a percentage stand point, more Blacks.

            http://www.rollitup.org/politics/538011-more-whites-welfare-yes-but.html

          • jmark80

            So in your world, 38% is now a larger number than 39%. Thank you for the random internet forum guy link. I will stick to the US Department of Health and Human Services who say otherwise:

            http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

            Percent of recipients who are white38.8 %Percent of recipients who are black39.8 %

  • Anthony Buisc

    Articles like this are a great way of displaying how far the libertarian movement has yet to go in coming to terms with it’s own cognitive dissonance.

    You so called libertarians hate subsidies to the private sector unless they’re for a businesses that displace Portland’s local working class mom & pops business and community.

    Furthermore, the neighborhood in question is a predominantly white neighborhood. I should know, I’m born and raised here in Portland.

    So you all sound like absolute fools and hypocrites. I love libertarians, when they’re actually REAL libertarians. You all are no better than liberals who pay lip service to one tired trope after the other.

    • Zionistout

      Oh yeah many of the libertarians are bad. I thought I was one for a while. But so many of these libertarians spout the same kind of crack pot BS the neocons and liberal leftist spout it is sickening. Like free trade/world trade being good for the US, many Libertarians support open borders and amnesty and illegal immigration. Libertarians are most liberals and neocons dressed in new packaging. That sums up 95% of libertarians nicely and accurately. You will find many just parroting old neocon and liberal talking points. Lets open the borders, free trade is good for the US economy, Americans have to compete with foreign labor and it goes on and on. If I believe in that kind of stuff I would vote in the two party one party dictatorship. lol

  • Mike W.

    Actively resisting progress and growth for what is being considered “their people” is just plain stupid. Not to mention, making a clear distinction between African Americans, and the “rest” of us, is racist and flies in the face of decades of a hard fought fight for equality.

    • Zionistout

      I have too disagree. I have no problem with people making choices that benefit their race/community. I have no problem with people resisting “progress” that is actually attempts at certain groups to hurt another race/group/community. I have no problem with people resisting growth for the same reasons. Now I am white so that means if I want to protect my race or community of white Americans from attacks or things that are bad for me and people of the same race as me than that is called racism. But when other races do it it’s perfectly fine. In this instance I think the blacks made a bad decision. But they made it so it’s their call and they have to pay for their mistakes and bad calls.

      • Michael Cashaw

        To attempt to protect oneself from economic devastation, is not racism, which gentrification (reverse White Flight to use a term) is to most communities.

        • jmark80

          Because:

          “Gentrification is typically the result of investment in a community by local government, community activists, or business groups, and can often spur economic development, attract business, lower crime rates, and have other benefits to a community.”

          Is a horrible horrible thing.

          Are you seriously calling that “economic devastation”?

      • Dee Dee

        They have to pay for their mistakes? That’s a bit dramatic, it’s one corner lot, one store, not that big of a deal. Many were for this project, many were against, who cares, but why are people so offended that some people in this community did not want a Trader Joes? That just seems so stupid to me. How is that affecting your life? You didn’t even know about it until this slanted article and ridiculous headline. Why does it make people so angry? And why are people saying, FINE, leave them oppressed and racist. Um, no, the community is not oppressed and racist and guess what, THERE ARE EVEN GROCERY STORES THERE , contrary to the notion that they are all living in mud huts and this Trader Joe’s was going to come in and save them all, this is actually a thriving community.

        Many people may think that Trader Joe’s is a lovely store but wouldn’t consider it a grocery store, neither do I. Many people might think (and many did) that a Trader Joe’s wasn’t worth and/or shouldn’t get an over 2.6 million dollar subsidy as a multi-billion dollar corporation, maybe some in the community felt that the money could have been spent another way, maybe some just wanted a different grocery store, maybe some just didn’t want a bunch of trendy fake yuppie liberals hanging out in the neighborhood, who knows, you don’t, I don’t, but why the fu** is it pissing people off so bad, that’s just cray cray. It’s a ridiculous reason for people to be so angry and hateful, and it’s by design. It’s like feeding candy to a baby with some people.

        Did anybody actually bother to even read the letter? It’s got good points. Plus let’s flip the script. Let’s say as a black woman my business partners and I own a hypothetical widely known and popular hip hop clothing store. Now let’s say that in your hypothetical affluent, white and Christian community I break ground and you folks subsidized it for me to the tune of 2.6 million dollars even though my corporation is a multi-billion dollar corporation. I stick my popular store right smack in the middle of your Starbucks and your Trader Joe’s right across the street from your mega church. If you don’t think for a second that a large number of the pearl clutchers in your hypothetical community wouldn’t be up in arms about that, you’d be delusional, hell they wouldn’t even let my community have liquor by the drink forever.

        You guys are hanging on to this article (and I use that term loosely) accompanied by it’s ridiculous headline by Michael Lotfi who thinks the mayor of Portland Oregon is black according to his post on his Facebook page The Liberty Paper which states,

        “According to activists and the black mayor, too many white people would come….”

        The mayor is white, lmao, and I can’t find anywhere in the letters that states, “too many whites would come”.

        C’mon guys, don’t be so easily manipulated, this is honestly just not that big of a deal, it’s just slanted as such, intentionally.

        • jmark80

          You are either being disingenuous or simply deliberately obtuse.

          “A new Trader Joes will increase the desirability of the neighborhood to non-oppressed populations….”

          The entire letter rails against the intrusion of whites through the warped lens of “displacement”. You are making an active choice to not see the racism involved in this. Not only against the evil, wealthy white people, but to the black residents whose leadership apparently believes incapable of living in an area seeing economic prosperity.

          • Dee Dee

            I could say that exact same thing about you, that in fact you are the one that is making the choice to not see the racism, and I can definitely use obtuse for you in that you don’t recognize the intentional slant on this article, badly so,so where would that leave us? And why put displacement in parentheses, are you saying that it doesn’t happen? Now that would be disingenuous of you. How about you guys let the residents of Portland worry about it? Is it affecting your life personally? I am concluding that you presume that this one store was going to change everybody’s life? Put all of that aside though, have you read through the thread of this article? Some of it’s pretty disgusting. Do you see this as a good thing?

          • jmark80

            1. “I could say that exact same thing about you, that in fact you are the one that is making the choice to not see the racism…”

            How so? Explain to me how wanting to open a store is a sign of racism.

            2. “and I can definitely use obtuse for you in that you don’t recognize the intentional slant on this article, badly so, so where would that leave us?”

            You were the one insisting that this had nothing to do with “too many whites coming” when that is exactly what the letter is addressing and why I posted it.

            3. “And why put displacement in parentheses, are you saying that it doesn’t happen?”

            I put displacement in parentheses because it is only the word being used to hide the inherent racism of the action. The letter makes it abundantly clear that whites are not wanted, and that any money spent in their neighborhood should only benefit blacks. How you can deny that racism is an exercise in cognitive diossonance that I cannot even begin to understand. Just back off of your soapbox and picture this exact same letter being sent by a white community. How do you think that would go down?

            4. “How about you guys let the residents of Portland worry about it? How did it affect your life, this one single solitary Trader Joe’s??”

            Because this sort of thing affects everyone, and it is why people should stand up to racism no matter who it is coming from. Racism affects everyone, and deserves to be called out and stomped on.

            5. “I am concluding that you presume that this one store was going to change everybody’s life? ”

            Presume away, it doesn’t make you any more correct. In fact it appears that the writers of the letter were the ones making this assumption.

            6. “Put all of that aside though, have you read through the thread of this article? Some of it’s pretty disgusting. Do you see this as a good thing? And honestly, it’s one corner lot, one store, and this community opted no, is it seriously that big of a deal?”

            Yes I did, yes it is, no I don’t, and yes it is respectively.

            Just like an act of racism against blacks in a small town in Alabama is a big deal, so is this.

            7. “Let me ask you this, do you think that if these activists were to come in to an affluent white neighborhood and ask that they be integrated in to that neighborhood then started asking for close to 3 million dollars in subsidies to start their businesses that it would go well?”

            Stop making strawmen. No I don’t, and I would expect an outcry of righteous anger. Also, I don’t believe in subsidies for anyone, let alone rich corporations.

            8. “For people to be freaking out this bad because this community opted to not have a Trader Joe’s in their neighborhood is just loony.”

            Ah, Reductio Ad Absurdum. The sign of an untenable position. This has no more to do with Trader Joe’s than the transit system had to do with Mrs Parks. The pendulum of racism has been allowed to swing to the point where it is completely acceptable to discriminate against whites. The hypocrisy of stating that it is loony to care about this issue is hypocritical at best.

          • Dee Dee

            1)Explain to me on just simply opting no to a Trader Joe’s is racism. It is their community, no?

            2)Did you read the letter to see if any valid points were made?

            3)See your answer to #7

            4) And they opted no, so the community was active and opted no, no big deal.

            5)I actually recognized some valid points in the letter so I guess we are at a stand still here.

            6)See # 7

            7) See # 7

          • jmark80

            1. Simply opting “no” would not be a big deal. Opting no with the stated reason of not wanting to attract other races is racism. Or do you deny this?

            2. Yes. And some were. I share the dislike of subsidies and in no way feel that Trader Joes should receive one.

            3. I don’t see how my reply to #7 applies here.

            4. Yes it is a big deal. If a small community of white people decided to ban together to (supposedly) advance the cause of white Americans, and wrote a letter to teh city stating that a new clothing store that sells hip-hop clothing lines was not welcome, because it may attract other races…that would be racist, and worth speaking out about.

            5. I don’t disagree with everything they stated. I would be upset too if my tax dollars were being used to subsidize a rich corporation. That money could have gone to other uses.

            6&7. You will have to be more clear on your replies. Judging by the responses to your rants, the evident truths that you see certainly aren’t recognized as very evident at all. I explained myself fairly succintly and clearly, I don’t think it is asking much to request the same.

          • Dee

            Not “trolling” you, honest, I just saw this and I did want to respond to the first thing. This is not an overnight situation regarding the overall project of this area, this community has historically been a predominately black community and according to census data now, only about 14 percent. So, with that being said, I honestly do not see that as being an irrational request, not to the degree that it warrants this incredibly hateful reaction. Obviously everybody in the community should benefit from changes but you do not see where things have perhaps(?) leaned a bit disproportionately in that sense looking at those numbers? Here is some additional data on this community, to me it just isn’t as neat as “black people just don’t want nice things” like the majority in this thread feel, i’m sincerely thinking that if one were to carve out the sensationalism behind the headline it just does not warrant everybody reacting the way they are to it in this particular situation. In Essence some may just be saying, hey can we have any say anymore? Okay, honestly wasn’t trolling, just had a hard time keeping up with the responses and going back I did want to reply to #1. And I actually meant it, I enjoyed the conversation, it was way better than the recent reply, **ck off you liberal POS, lol, which is funny because I would have voted Dr. Ron Paul had he made through the primaries, and after much deliberation as to whether or not to write him in, I finally opted for Governor Johnson.

            http://www.pdx.edu/honors/sites/www.pdx.edu.honors/files/Hosford.pdf

            http://news.streetroots.org/2013/07/16/neighborhoods-are-made-more-brick-and-mortar

          • jmark80

            Well now I just can’t hate you.

            I also voted Johnson when I couldn’t vote Paul.

          • Dee

            Ah hell, you can hate me, keeps the thread lively :)

          • Dee Dee

            1) Explain to me on how just simply opting no to a Trader Joe’s is racism. It is their community, no?

            2) Did you read the letter to see if any valid points were made?

            3)See your answer to #7

            4) And they opted no, so the community was active and opted no, no big deal.

            5) I actually recognized some strong points in the letter so I guess we are at a stand still here.

            6)See # 7

            7) See # 7

            8) Totally disagree, and that’s cool.

        • BettyWhite0321

          You’re right! I’ll point this out when I don’t want black people hanging out in my neighborhood.

  • anonymous

    Huge mistake. Trader Joe’s offers many organic and healthy options of food and groceries at better prices than most grocery stores. They offer many options that many can benefit from.
    This is a shame.

  • Justin Adams

    I hate that this author headlined this the way he did, basically throwing fuel on the fire that is a growing trend of inverted racism. The reason that the community fought the new store was to combat sudden gentrification, which in no way helps the community. But gentrification aside, the author’s phrasing is meant to insight a reaction from middle to upper-middle class white people whom as a demographic has been trending away from racist ideas. What this kind of thing does is convince the less informed of that demographic that they are being discriminated against by black communities(which will generalize out into black people as a whole). This creates spiraling resentment and serves only to hurt race relations. Basically what I’m saying is that this author is a douche for using a community’s defense against class warfare to make a buck, especially at the expense of social equality.

    • Zionistout

      Oh no it doesn’t make me thing blacks are being racist. It makes me think blacks are being stupid…again. I would love to have a Grocery store near me that would pay $10 or even $20 an hour to new employees. All the Grocery stores near me pay $7.50 an hour which is my states legal minimum wage.

    • jmark80

      So creating jobs (well paying jobs at that), raising property values, lowering crime rate and spurring economic development is now a negative?

      Really?

      There is something to be resented here. It is the perpetuation of poverty and the cyclical nature of it being exacerbated by the very leaders who claim to be trying to help.

      “They also said that they would remain opposed to all development of the land that doesn’t solely benefit African Americans.”
      That isn’t “inverted racism”, it is simply racism. Just step back and imagine if that was said by whites. Seriously, imagine it.

    • anonymouse

      The Politician in that neighborhood is behind this all the way because of gentrification.
      This happened in the ’80s in Chicago around Wrigley Field.
      The ward alderman, Helen Schiller, did NOT want to improve the neighborhood because the local population would change and the
      people that voted for her would NOT be able to afford the rents in the area once the neighborhood improved. She was right !!!
      The house next to the firehouse sold in 1985 for $185K. It was razed, rebuilt and the new property housed 3 condos at $1mill each.

      • Jim Turner

        That was Uptown, a very different neighborhood

      • Jennifer Jardee-Borquist

        I don’t think it’s accurate that Mayor Hales sent a letter to the developer. He just stupidly said “Yes, housing is a good idea”. The site cannot support housing because of its split sewer line.

    • Jennifer Jardee-Borquist

      He headlined it this way, because the PAALF in their demand letter states: “PAALF is and will remain opposed to any development in N/NE Portland that does not primarily benefit the Black community” Notice, that they use a capital B. In their demand letter, it was used 13 times.

  • Overseas American

    Fine, give them a liquor store to rob.

    • James Dore

      lol well said.

  • WTF

    Give them a 99Cent store, Dollar General, smoke shop, pawn shop, or better yet, a marijuana dispensary, then they will be happy.

  • canalway

    Neighborhoods are never stagnate. They change all the time. It depends on which way it goes. These days you get either Obamafication with decay and corruption or gentrification with better economic opportunity and jobs. The whiney activists seem to want the former.

  • devin

    FUK BLACKS THEY RUIN EVERYTHING! GO BACK TOO AFRIKA

    • John Munro

      an attitude of hatred many parents once taught their children if you have nothing nice to say? Say nothing…..

    • ShesBlack

      We apparently ruined your literacy too?

    • James Dore

      you are proving yourself to be just the same part of the problem as the groups mentioned in the post above. True, the “black” organization mentioned did pull a very big stupid (fearing financial improvements in the lives of their communities and a higher amount of “white” traffic), however responding to racism with racism is even dumber than the origonal stupid act.

  • a

    s’all that white man food.

    Please humanity. You have different colors of skin to better adapt to the position of the sun. You all come from different parts of the world with many varying cultures.

    Whatever, if we survive for a few more thousand years, we will all be the same color.

  • Dee Dee

    I have a question for you Michael Lotfi. Why use “black” activists versus just activists? For instance, my community has formed a petition/group before that our little town paper did an article on and I am in a predominately white area but nobody said white activists want to bring liquor by the drink to their podunk town. Another example, in the post on your Facebook page, where you posted the exact same story with yet another stupid headline, used as the status was, “According to activists and the black mayor too many white people would come… ” and yet the mayor is white. I mean I see how obvious this is to get everybody riled up to hate some complete strangers but at a minimum, and seeing how your tagline is “News You Can Trust”, get the simple sh** straight, it just looks dumb. Oh, I found that on Google by the way. That’s G-O-O-G-L-E. Why does it bother you so bad that this community didn’t want a Trader Joe’s? Would you even give two sh*** about it had the activists been white? It’s pathetic and those even more pathetic are the ones lapping this twaddle piece up and reacting with anger about it. It’s just a Trader Joe’s people, you’re going to be just fine, promise.

    • Jim Turner

      “Black” is what they are all about, it is crucial to the story

      • Dee Dee

        I gotcha, so had they been white activists in this black community you’d be cool with everything, is that right? Had this headline read WHITE ACTIVISTS AND POLITICIANS FORCE TRADER JOE’S GROCERY OUT, everything would be okay then?

        • jmark80

          Play the martyr more.

          The letter from the PAALF made it extremely apparent that this was race based, but it is interesting that you try to flip the race card around on the people who find this disturbing. Nothing like a little hypocrisy in the morning.

          • Dee Dee

            Lol, you find this “disturbing”? That a community opted no to one single solitary Trader Joe’s on a single solitary lot? It’s their community no? Yeah, sorry I can’t really find that “disturbing”. But since you brought it up, PAALF is 20 people, why bash an entire race of human beings that are complete strangers to you based upon this letter from these 20 people?

          • jmark80

            1. “Lol, you find this “disturbing”? That a community opted no to one single solitary Trader Joe’s on a single solitary lot? It’s their community no? Yeah, sorry I can’t really find that “disturbing”.”

            Yes I do. Just like I would find a racist action in any community to be disturbing. That you find it as no big deal speaks eloquently of your inherent bigotry.

            2. “why bash an entire race of human beings that are complete strangers to you based upon this letter from these 20 people?”

            There is that whole martyr thing again. Please find any post, or even any part of a post by me that bashes anyone? I am a social liberal/Libertarian with an interacial family, and find racism to be disgusting. The difference between us is that I find ALL racism to be disgusting, while you apparently only care about disparate ethnic groups.

            The sheer amount of doublethink required for this is amazing.

          • Dee Dee

            I would not agree that you are a Libertarian jmark80, but it’s cool if you think so, I do not have to agree with you. But, if you were, to me anyway, you would have already known the grossly disproportionate rates of minorities incarcerated to non compared to arrests made by race when you asked for statistics in the thread, which has nothing to do with a Trader Joe’s, but whatever. I provided those by the way. I’m thinking you and I probably won’t come together on this, what do you think?

          • thatguy12

            You miss the point entirely. Its stated in the letter that they are opposed to it because it would lead to gentrification8fication(making people wealthier) and would increase the whites in the are, one reason being stupid(yeah lets keep people poor!!!) and one being racist. Either a) youre trolling in which case I’ll say well played, or b) you don’t understand either of the conxepts youre arguing, in which case I’ll shake my head and move along.

          • jmark80

            I can’t honestly tell if he is trolling me, or simply cannot see the inherent racism of his own arguments.

          • BettyWhite0321

            Who gives a shit.

          • Dee Dee

            My point exactly Betty!

          • Dee Dee

            She, and no, I can’t, but I actually appreciate the conversation. Have a good day.

          • Dee Dee

            Who’s saying keep people poor? There are 3 other Trader Joe’s in the area within 3-7 miles, can they apply there?

          • Jennifer Jardee-Borquist

            Seriously Dee Dee, who drive 7.7 miles for groceries?

          • jmark80

            1. “I would not agree that you are a Libertarian jmark80, but it’s cool if you think so, I do not have to agree with you. ”

            You could be right. I tend towards minarchism more than anything, but the libertarian party tends to align more closely with my socially liberal, fiscally conservative, pro-Constitution views, and I identify more with them than any other party.

            2. “But, if you were, to me anyway, you would have already known the grossly disproportionate rates of minorities incarcerated to non compared to arrests made by race when you asked for statistics in the thread, which has nothing to do with a Trader Joe’s, but whatever.”

            I am very aware of the statistics involved in crime and the judicial system. However, I am unsure why you keep linking me these specific statistics as they have nothing to do with what I was speaking to, which was to the poster speaking of assistance/crime stats.

            3. “I’m thinking you and I probably won’t come together on this, what do you think?”

            Given that you appear to have a laser-like focus on avoiding what I am saying in the first place…probably not. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him intellectually comprehend the logical fallacies of his preconceived notions.

          • Ethan Robertson

            Your posts have gotten old. Next issue!

          • jmark80

            Thanks for adding to the conversation. I may not agree with Dee Dee, but at least He/She is providing intelligent conversation and responses.

    • Michael Lotfi

      Why don’t you ask the group why they need to identify as being exclusively black? Perhaps they can answer better than I.

      • Dee Dee

        Oh, so you’re just upset with this group, these 20 people, is that right?

      • Dee Dee

        Oh, so it’s just this group that you’re mad at, just these 20 people, is that right? Looking at this thread it’s hard to tell if it’s just these 20 people that people are upset with, or what, but that is who has pissed you off this bad?

        • Jennifer Jardee-Borquist

          The Executive Director of PAALF lives in Tigard, guess where that is Dee Dee…not in Portland…it’s a suburb. This development would not have impacted her life, but it DOES impact a huge number of people who have supported having an anchor grocer on this site (we wanted TJ’s 12 years ago). Now, the site will probably be empty for another 10 years until we get a Grocery Outlet.

          • Lea Dyson

            Put a Dollar General in the lot and everyone can be happy.

    • Michael Lotfi

      True or false: the group is called the “African American Leadership Forum”?

      • Dee Dee

        So if they left out “African” you wouldn’t be so pissed off about it? You live 2300 miles from there with a Trader Joe’s right down the road from ya, why so mad? Not to mention there are 3 other Trader Joe’s in the area, 3-7 miles from this location, soooo, they can go there?

        • Jennifer Jardee-Borquist

          Dee Dee…see my reply above. The location of this TJ’s would have benefited many low-income people.

        • Michael Lotfi

          No one is mad other than you. Where do you see me being mad? I’ll ask you again… True or false? The group specifically, explicitly call themselves the “African American LF”?

          • Dee Dee