Are Libertarians Creating “Chaos” In Elections? (Video)

By: Ben Swann
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Ben Swann Virginia Election

I talk about the outcome of the Virginia race for Governor and whether or not Libertarian candidates are creating “chaos” in the electoral system.



  • Ben 2.0

    A simple run-off system would eliminate the “spoiler” phenomenon and allow people to vote their consciences. Viable alternative voices could then emerge.

  • anarchobuddy

    It is curious that this is described as “chaos.” It’s as if we are being told that having more than two [barely distinguishable] choices is a bug of the electoral system, not a feature. And I would have to agree with that idea: I have little doubt that those in power would like the electoral system to remain one in which incumbents and the two party system are well established and have special advantages over third parties and independent challengers. Calling this “chaos” makes this desire quite transparent and explicit.

    To that, I say I’m glad that at least they are being open about it. But I hope such trite platitudes about “democracy” or “rule by the people” or “rule of law” would not be used to describe the status quo. They can’t simultaneously call this chaos and still expect people to trust in the electoral system we were all taught was a necessary and sufficient means of justice, liberty, and whatever else the government claims to provide us.

  • Rick Herron

    If you want to see real impact, come see what the Liberty groups are doing in Clermont County Ohio We are not fighting City Hall, we are becoming City Hall.

  • Rich Helm

    This has got to be dumbest thing I’ve heard for Swann, Glad I didn’t waste any money on him with this kind of IDIOCY.
    They only chaos we’ll get is Demonrats winning more and further ruination of our country. With this reasoning Swann must be giddy over ObamaCare and millions of people losing their health insurance. Of course anyone who voted for Obama deserves to lose their health insurance.

    • Sevenpercenter

      Promote more ethical Republicans and you wouldn’t have that problem. The seven percent are sick of the false paradigm and people like you that are so brainwashed.

      • Rich Helm

        Hey brainwashed dim-wit, try working on your own ethics and intelligence. I didn’t say anything addressing Repub, so you have NO idea what I think. You are only making ASSumptions. So, if anyone is brainwashed, it is you.
        And Libertarians have their own ethical problems when they waste peoples money on elections they KNOW they have no chance of winning. Are you so delusional that you think they can win with only 7% of the public.?? They were especially ethically challenged in the VA governor race where their candidate was NOT even a true libertarian and he received funding from the Democrats to ONLY be a spoiler.
        Try not attacking people you don’t know. Instead try addressing the issue and start thinking for yourself for a change, instead of being an mindless parrot for the party that helped the FAR leftist win. Which will only help damage our country even more. Way to go Losertarians.

        • g.johnon

          it appears that sevenpercenter was paying more attention to what you were saying than you were.
          when you say get the libertarians out of elections to have a better chance at stopping the chaos and ruination of democracts then who, if not republicans, were you pitching for?
          way too obvious and your denial way too pathetic.

          • Rich Helm

            More pathetic ASSuming.
            As I said, Keep the Libertarian think tanks and keep promoting the ideas & philosophy but stay out of national elections.
            But let me be more clear. I’m saying get rid of the Libertarian “PARTY” and stop helping Demonrats win.
            Libertarians should be running in the Repub party (like Ron & Rand Paul) and working to reform it. Help the Tea Parties kick out the GOP establishment.
            Swann’s idea is STUPID. Something constructive needs
            to be done. Not chaos but united focus on bringing the Repub party back to the right. We need libertarian conservatives in control and making constitutional arguments that lead back to freedom, personal responsibility and prosperity.
            NOT CHAOS!
            A third party is guaranteed failure for that party and our country.

          • g.johnon

            as long as the republican party is pitching a right wing Christian theocracy married to corporate bankster capitalism and trying to pass it all off as a free market system, it is no better than the democratic party.
            Fabian sociofacism is no better than Marxist sociofacism.
            psychopathic leadership is a bad thing no matter what convoluted platform it is standing on.
            until we the people take election process back from the wall street mob, parties do not mean anything good.
            yes Obama has sold us out. but that doesn’t mean we should forget that dubya did too.

          • Rich Helm

            “Christian theocracy” what utter idiotic nonsense.
            As long as you live with that kind of fantasy bouncing around in the vacuum of your skull and waste your vote on third parties YOU are the the problem. Instead of working to reform the party with limited gov’t libertarian philsosophy, you wallow in paranoid stupidity of “Christian theocracy” nonsense. I’ve wasted too much time on your foolishness. You’ve jumped the shark.

          • g.johnon

            ooooh scathing!

            apparently you have no capacity for paying attention to the world around you.

            here are some examples that have the potential of allowing you to learn a thing or two:

            http://www.prosebeforehos.com/article-of-the-day/11/02/how-christian-con-artists-took-over-gop/

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

            http://theocracywatch.org/

            http://www.globalresearch.ca/christian-fundamentalism-permeates-the-republican-party-sarah-palin-s-links-to-the-christian-right/10167

            http://www.salon.com/2012/08/05/republicans_slouching_toward_theocracy/

            to be fair, just enter the words into your search box. my binger found nearly 16 million results that you can take your time with rather than thinking that I may have cherry picked a few to make my argument. actually I just picked the first few in order. no cherry picking needed.
            sad how the ignorant resort to snarkiness when they have no real argument.
            in other words, this is common knowledge, what rock did you just crawl out from under?

          • crazyredneck

            Basically, what Rich Helm is saying is that if Rand Paul were a Democrat and Harry Reed were a Republican, he’d vote for Harry Reed. Doesn’t it make perfect sense?

          • Rich Helm

            I said nothing of the sort. So no, you make ZERO sense but perfect NONsense. You are “crazy.”

  • Mike

    Giddy up! We are doing that in Colorado. Recalled two of the jerks and now working on a third. Recall Hudak!

  • UncommonStats™

    I am a big fan of yours however I recently discovered you are involved with WeAreChange. The co-founder is a 32nd degree mason. Why would you align yourself with such people?

    • Coolstorybro

      Cool story bro.

      Not even close to true about Luke and his buddy.

  • barb47

    The guy, Sarvis isn’t even a Libertarian. He wants GPS in your car and bill you for every mile you drive, for gay civil unions, for EPA. His largest donation was from a guy who contributed to O’s campaign….etc , etc

    • pbfrank13

      user fee is better than gas tax or property tax to pay for said roads. problem is the state runs roads rather than competing businesses and I doubt a user fee would also repeal gasoline taxes as well as property taxes that pay some of the cost. I honestly don’t know a thing about Sarvis but a user fee would be far more ethical than the current system.

  • Hope101

    Thank you Ben. I agree 100%, and it can’t happen soon enough.

  • Area504

    Really? This post is disappointing considering that so-called “libertarian Republicans” (like Ken Cuccinelli) have no respect for the concept of liberty at all (sodomy law and over-aggressive AG, anyone?) I’m sorry I donated to you, Ben. I thought better of you.

    • pbfrank13

      I didn’t realize Ben was endorsing the GOP or a party in particular. He seemed highly critical of the GOP and Cuccinelli IMO.

  • Hope101

    On a Tuesday morning in early November people get out of bed and repeat the same powerful habits they have for many years. Some light a cigarette and some start the coffee. Then dress in colors that compliment one another; Perfect their hair style; Give the kids their favorite pop-tart before sending them to school. Then the power of habit sends them to the polls to vote for a Republican or Democrat regardless of how many other people happen to be on the ballot; How few jobs there are for people; How many new people have been added to the food stamp program; How bad schools have gotten; How many wars we’re in; How low interest rates are for savers; how hard it is to afford health care; How huge the deficit and debt are; How much money cronies devote to their favorite new protectionist laws or candidates; How close we are to the next bubble collapse and how many bailouts come after, but nobody goes to jail, because “there is plenty of blame to go around.”

    The power of habit can be good or bad; Fastening your seat belt might be a good one. I quit drinking alcohol 32 years ago and smoking 30 years ago; turned off the TV feed 2 years ago; quit giving a dime to journalists who forcefully present opinion as fact and fact as opinion and stopped voting for Democrats or Republicans many years ago. I know how to break bad habits that are destructive. Perhaps it’s time to start a Voters Anonymous 12 step recovery program for powerful habits and addictions in voting. We need a power greater than ourselves to restore us to sanity. We have hit bottom but that often happens without and addicted person noticing.

  • Mayur

    Unfortunately, gonna have to disagree with ya on this one, Ben. Even if someone like George Stephanopoulos gives a fair interview to a Libertarian, they’re only doing it because they know they’ve got no shot to win and therefore by giving them attention, they’d effectively help that Libertarian candidate siphon votes away. But as soon as you become a serious contender to win, they will do everything they can to either attack you or black you out, a la Ron Paul when he was THIS close to winning Iowa. To think that the media will ever lend Libertarians credibility is giving the media way too much credit. What might be interesting as a future investigative story by you, Ben, is to run a study examining VA Libertarian voters’ second choice for Governor or none of the above.

  • Tim Utz

    Either people believe in liberty or not, to say free markets, constitutional government, freedom choice in labor pool and so on, then whine when a candidate who is not carrying your brand of water bucket legitimately gains ballot access is hypocritical at best. Let ideas, concepts, thoughts and political choice reign supreme. Under the conservative thought of free markets politically we would naturally have a better product, candidate and resulting better government. http://www.timutzforhouse.com

  • jbo5112

    Seems wrong for VA to allow a governor to be elected with a minority of votes. They should require a runoff election.

  • JewelieDee

    Until people stop believing the lie that 3rd party candidates are bad for the country, nothing is going to change. If enough “chaos” is caused, then it may occur to the powers that be that the system is broken. I refuse to vote Democrat or Republican just because someone is afraid it will siphon votes away from one of these two corrupt (and in fact, identical) entities.

    • Karolyn

      You are right; Dems or Repubs are just the opposite side of the same coin for the most part. Look at the way they treated Ron Paul; they were running scared of the delegates and votes he was getting and they will do the same again but maybe we can get it changed.