EXCLUSIVE: Adam Kokesh, A Modern Day Political Prisoner?

By: Kristin Tate
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Libertarian activist Adam Kokesh has been in jail for 114 days (92 of which he was held by the feds) with no bond, no bail, and no trial. 57 of those days were in solitary confinement.


Clearly, this Kokesh fellow is a dangerous threat to society… Right?

Nonsense, say many of those who know Kokesh well. In fact, they argue that Adam Kokesh is anything but dangerous.

Let’s start with the facts: On July 4, Kokesh uploaded a video of himself loading a shotgun in Freedom Plaza in the District of Columbia. With the Capital building behind him, the activist said as he loaded his firearm, “We will not be silent; we will not obey; we will not allow our government to destroy our humanity. We are the final American Revolution. See you next Independence Day.”

D.C. gun laws are some of the strictest in the U.S. As reported by ABC News, “The District has a litany of laws on the books that make it more difficult to obtain some firearms, impossible to obtain others, and illegal to carry any loaded gun in the city.” Just being in D.C. with a loaded firearm, even if it is legally registered, is a violation of the law. D.C. laws also ban gun owners from carrying firearms openly or concealed in public.

On July 9, not even a week after producing and uploading his video, Kokesh’s home was raided by a SWAT team.

Jeffrey Phillips, Kokesh’s manager, said, “Five different government agencies came to Adam’s home. They had several helicopters, something like 30 police units. They flash banged his house.”

Carey Wedler, Kokesh’s girlfriend, was at his home at the time of the raid. She was in the shower when it began.

“I was washing my hair in the shower when I heard Adam scream, ‘The police are here!’ I threw a skirt on and left the bathroom… there was smoke everywhere because [officers] had thrown a flash grenade,” she said. “I walked to the top of the stairs. They pointed guns at me and told me to put my hands up. Cops were streaming into the house and you could hear helicopters above.”

The next few hours were a hellish daze for Wedler, Kokesh, and his six employees who were also in the home during the raid.

Wedler said, “There were about eight of us total. Activists would come stay with him, and he would give them free rent in exchange for work. The officers cuffed us — we kept asking why they were arresting us and they wouldn’t answer. Adam kept asking for a warrant and they refused to show it.”

The cuffed group was forced to the ground for hours as the raid took place.

“Most of the cops covered up their badges. It was so shady,” Wedler said.

She also recalls how harshly the cops treated them. “One of our guys had his cell phone and was trying to record what was happening. Some of the cops noticed, pushed me out of the way, then punched the guy in the head,” she said. “At another point Adam asked to use the restroom and he got kicked.”

Wedler had asked to use the restroom repeatedly throughout the incident — it was “that time of month” for her. After asking officers if she could go to the bathroom several times an “officer told me a female officer was coming to escort me to the restroom. She never came. Out of 30 police officers there, not one was a woman.”

Finally, after several hours, some male officers took her to the upstairs bathroom. “Blood was dripping down my leg. All these male officers were watching me,” she said.

Officers claimed they found drugs in Kokesh’s home during the raid (“magic mushrooms”). The activist was arrested for possession of an illegal drug, and possession of an illegal drug while in possession of a firearm. The officers finally showed a warrant as Kokesh was being taken outside and put into a cruiser.

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Wedler vehemently insists that Kokesh never used “shrooms.” She said, “I know that Adam doesn’t do shrooms. I can say, whatever they found, I never saw it in Adam’s house.”

Wedler claims she and her group watched officers carrying brown bags “full of matter” into the basement before emerging with the illegal drugs. “Officers kept coming in and out of the basement. We literally watched some of them carrying brown ‘evidence bags’ with matter in them down into the basement.”

Phillips, who was not present during the raid, said the situation is “very odd.” He said, “The month previously Adam was arrested twice and got off because the state didn’t have a good enough case. The police hate him. This time, they knew they had to get him on something. So it is very likely that they actually planted mushrooms on him. When Adam made the D.C. video, he expected attention from police. We knew police were coming, so why would we leave drugs out? We had actually done a clean of the whole house because we expected police to show up.”

He also mentioned that “Adam has never even spoken about, nor does he like mushrooms.”

Wedler said that Kokesh’s house was left completely destroyed after the raid. Here are some images of the home after the police cleared out at 1am:

Kokesh’s story, which was already unusual enough, took another strange turn last week.

On Wednesday, his attorney, Peter Cooper, quit the case without giving a reason. Those close to Kokesh are shocked.

“Cooper is a buddy of Adam and represents him whenever he gets in D.C. trouble,” said Phillips. “There’s no reason for him to just leave other than [the feds] got to him. He was scared away by the government basically. The court appointed Adam a new lawyer who has no idea what he is getting himself into. They obviously do not want him to have a good lawyer, and we had a good lawyer.”

Wedler said, “I imagine we’ll find out why Cooper left later, but for now they can’t discuss it.”

Still, what frustrates both Wedler and Phillips more than anything is how harsh the police have been while dealing with Kokesh’s case.

Phillips said, “If you went to D.C. and shot someone, you’d probably get bail. They didn’t give Adam bail — and he didn’t threaten anyone or hurt anyone. He was only making a political statement.”

“While everyone may not agree with Adam’s way of doing things, he is and has always been very peaceful. He has never been a dangerous person,” said Wedler.

“As strong as Adam is, I talked to him yesterday and he didn’t sound very good,” said Phillips. “They could keep him for ten years if they wanted to. And they will — they want him out of the picture. They don’t have to explain themselves to anybody. They can do whatever they want.”

He concluded, “Adam is a modern day political prisoner. And we’re not supposed to have political prisoners in this country.”

 

*Editor’s note: Multiple attempts were made to contact Peter Cooper. If and when he returns our calls, this story will be subsequently updated. 

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Kristin Tate is a multi-media reporter for Breitbart News and BenSwann.com. Dedicated to fearless journalism, she regularly works on undercover stings with James O'Keefe to reveal government waste, abuse, and fraud. Tate was a Young Americans for Liberty (YAL) Chapter President and Founder. She will continue to fight tirelessly for individual liberty and free markets through new media. Visit Kristin's website at www.TheLibertarianChick.com.

  • J

    I’ve read almost every story you guys have put out since July. This is the first time I’ve made a comment on a story. Would you all please look into this story a bit more? I can’t imagine being treated like this by police. No one should have to be treated like this in America. Is there any way we can bring more attention to this story? Why has he not been allowed bail? Can’t the case be dismissed if he wasn’t provided bail? Isn’t it criminal abuse if he is put in solitary for no reason? There are so many things inherently wrong with this story, it makes me feel like something has to be done. I don’t want more people to be afraid to peacefully defy the government. But when events like these take place, I’m sure it dampens the revolutionary spirit, which is exactly what the government wants. Please do all in your power to bring more attention to this.

    • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

      Actually, there are hundreds of thousands of people treated like this all the time in American’s injustice system. Most don’t have the kind of celebrity that Adam Kokesh does.

      He has not been given bail for political reasons. People in DC want to shut him down. But the case won’t be dismissed for that.

      He was likely put in solitary because of his celebrity. Many are put in solitary for less than that.

      • ctlovesnathanhale

        Yep, I’m tickled every time I read that someone is shocked by this kind of treatment. This is routine treatment, practised on the poorest, most ignorant Americans so they could roll it out on everyone. Now that they are, get ready for your taste of police state tyrannical thuggery where freemasonic pigs, liars (currently spelled lawyers), and judges make up crimes, physically and mentally abuse their victims, and get raises for it.

    • I am not anonymous blog.

      I know Jordan Page, a friend of Adams, and he said much of this same story to me months ago.

      • purplediamond

        I just met Jordan Page Saturday night in Las Vegas & yes everything in this article is true.

  • 10n20blackbirds

    Let me be clear. This is being done to send a message. They have the power to silence you, they have the judges and law enforcement under their control and they can threaten your attorney into dumping you. You will keep your mouth shut or else.

    • g.johnon

      ok you have been clear. being pissed off at a corrupt government can be a dicey and dangerous thing. ummmm…duh.
      they are corrupt and they have “power”. but WE THE PEOPLE are legion and just starting to get a little bit ticked.

      • eric

        Hate to be cynical, but honestly, look around you. Do you see average people ready to throw their bodies in front of the gears and risk their livelihoods and families to stop this horrible machine? I don’t see 10% of the population ready for that, and most are still unaware of the full extent of global tyranny. We have at least another 10-20 years of degradation left before the American people simply won’t be able to stand it anymore, and at that point revolution (or at least revolutionary societal change) will be a natural – dare I say deterministic – reaction.

        • g.johnon

          eric, these days you can’t afford not to be cynical.
          couple things here. first off, the American revolution was carried off by less than five percent of the population of the colonies, so ten percent doesn’t sound so bad.
          we are in a pretty typical prerevolutionary stage today. history shows us that is is pretty much all the same. the “machine” acts like it is invincible because it thinks it truly is. the people are all but without hope. ten to twenty years, I don’t think so, but what do I know. still gotta keep the arrow pointed in the right direction and keep the faith in the people, afterall, the people always have the last say. just ask hitler or mary Antoinette.

        • g.johnon

          10%? well considering that the American revolution was pulled off by less than 5% of the population of the colonies, it sounds like we are good to go.
          10-20 more years of degradation? I don’t think so. we will be in a hellfire world war long before that if we do not reel in this machine.

  • CTS

    I don’t like the way Kokesh has done some protesting but this is ergregious conduct by a police state apparently. “Found shrooms” is a typical plant, I know this from family experience. Is there some way to support Kokesh?

    • lotan

      He behaves the way he does to expose how corrupt our system is. At least he gets results, though this time, I’m sure he doesn’t like it =

  • Chris Moschini

    It sounds like he made the mistake of saying yes when he was asked if he’d waive his right to a speedy trial. NEVER say yes to this. The entire justice system is desperate for you to do so, and will try to sneak it past you any way they can. I am glad to see he will at least see trial, but a public defender hired by the state is not going to give him a fair trial – he’s screwed if he can’t find privately hired defense. I hope he does.

    One major problem with this article – twice the people who like him call him non-violent:

    “While everyone may not agree with Adam’s way of doing things, he is and has always been very peaceful. He has never been a dangerous person,”

    The guy cocked a shotgun in the middle of DC on Youtube, this argument doesn’t hold water. The people who knew and loved the Unabomber refused to believe they had the right guy, the people who knew the Boston bombers all said they were nice guys, etc etc etc. You can’t call the people who know and love a potential criminal and take their “Great guy” remark as evidence you’ve got a non-violent person on your hands.

    I’m not saying that’s evidence he wouldn’t act on his claims. I’m saying it’s not evidence of anything, for or against him. When it comes down to it either he was lying (bluffing) or he was planning to be violent, so his case is not going to be an easy one.

    • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

      It’s highly unlikely that he waived his right to a speedy trial since he has consciously counted on forcing one.

      It is ridiculous to compare Adam Kokesh to the Unabomber or the alleged Boston bombers. That’s insane. Sure, firearms figure prominently in Adam’s public image, but he is not accused of harming anyone with firearms or any other weapon. He is not accused of even threatening anyone.

      Adam is accused only of possessing a firearm, which is a harmless act carried out on a daily basis by hundreds of millions of people.

      Is he a modern-day Gandhi. No. But he’s light-years closer to that than he is to the Unabomber. Please.

    • DB.Coupe

      True. It isn’t evidence, but it substantiates his background. He is a veteran with a sound mind, albeit questionable judgement in regards to bringing and loading a gun in DC.

      All of his demonstrations have been peaceful until they were provocated by police suppression that wanted to silence their free speech. It is evident all free speech is being increasingly suppressed. The police operated out of prejudice and inevitably conspired against him.

      As for your comparison between bombers and Kokesh. Kokesh never had a bomb, never committed any acts of terror. He was a devote American fundamentalist. Unlike the two examples you give who seemingly harbored suspicious resentment of America, Kokesh did not. He had disappointment and only sough change through peaceful, although contentious measures.
      You only deduce two possibilities either he was bluffing or planning to be violent. That is a narrow assumption that does not take into account his political campaign and background that he is fighting for. Honestly, think about it, why would he commit an act of violence? To get more Americans to support his cause by hurting them? No. It was a peaceful demonstration

      • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

        He brought the firearm to DC as an act of civil disobedience. It was courageous. It was no accident but a conscious act in defense of everyone’s right to defend their lives from aggression.

        Adam is no fundamentalist. He is an anarcho-capitalist.

        • DB.Coupe

          Wrong word choice on my part. I meant to say he believed in the fundament foundations of America..I will recant and edit my post to say he is more a constitutionalist – as he has been known to say of himself.

          Also, Idealistically Adam sought the ” dissolution of the federal govt”.. Is the fed govt considered state? I ask because ancho capitalism primarily includes the elimination of state.

          • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

            Of course the federal government is a state. Absolutely.

        • DB.Coupe

          Courageous as it may be that is a subjective opinion not everyone shares unfortunately. I just assert it was contentious in the eyes of American citizens. Of course, it was not an accident

      • Chris Moschini

        Yeah, I’m not comparing him to the bombers, I’m comparing the people who care about him to people who care about anyone. The point is that if you find someone who loves another person, that person is going to say “Great guy, would never hurt anyone” regardless of whether they’re Ghandi or James Holmes.

        So again I’m not asserting he’s the equivalent of the bombers or anything – I’m asserting that one cannot assert he’s violent OR non-violent on the basis of loved ones standing up for him. That’s what loved ones do – it proves nothing.

        • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

          Not true and in any case, we don’t have to rely on them in the case of Adam Kokesh since there are ZERO accusations anywhere saying that Adam has used or threatened aggressive violence against anyone.

          Adam is demonstrably NOT a violent or dangerous person.

    • Linda Gonzales

      Part of his activism is challenging unjust, unconstitutional laws, but the rest of his activism appears to be about changing people’s hearts and minds.

      When he spoke out against the war he gained the respect of the peace activists and brought Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) into the mainstream. When he protests again bad drug policy’s, he teaching people that drug users are not criminals and should be treated more humanly. Drug use is not a crime because there is no victim. If a drug user steals somebody’s property to pay for his/her drug habit, than yes,they need to be held personally accountable. But using drugs should not make you a criminal. I think most people are coming around to this idea; examples Washington and Colorado.

      But, he picked up a shotgun and all of a sudden he’s a threat to society? No, Adam is pointing out another obvious social issue that needs to be outed. Not all gun owners are criminals! I tell people all the time, I don’t own an assault rifle, I own a defense rifle. That’s what a train for, that’s what I’m taking responsibility for, that’s my birthright.

      We can blame media and politics partly for this misnomer. The only time you hear about firearms in public is when some idiot goes to a gun free zone and kills a bunch of kids. You don’t hear about the lives that are saved and crimes diverted everyday because some good guy with a gun challenged some aggressor. But, in actuality, it’s gun owners ourselves who are partly to blame for societies ignorance on this issue. Most gun owners don’t want people to know that they are carrying, I understand that. But if we don’t come out of the gun cabinet soon, we will continue to lose our rights. We have lost so many already. There are thousands and thousands of gun laws on the books right now. Every one of us is violating something that we don’t even know exists. We could be treated like Adam, or worse and have no legal standing for recourse.

      If that means putting on my designer dress (to show I’m not militant) and waltzing down the streets of DC with my AR strapped to my back, so be it. The gun does not make me a criminal. In the end, I think that is what Adam is attempting to demonstrate. That’s why I will stand with him. I hope some of you will too.

    • 8yerbrain

      Adam Kokesh advocates the non-aggression-principle. It’s all he’s ever advocated. A free man, by loading a gun shouldn’t automatically be denied bail and labeled a dangerous person. By your standards…EVERYONE could potentially be a danger to society and should be locked up. I find that absurd. What the hell happened to “home of the brave”?

      • Chris Moschini

        On a basic human level, brandishing a weapon of any kind is a threatening act. I’m not arguing he belongs in prison for that – I hope that those reading my post take note of my intentional separation of legal and human factors in the case. To spell it out better:

        * From a legal perspective, this guy is probably screwed. But don’t mistake the law for what’s right – I don’t. It does coincide sometimes, but not always. He needs an actual, private lawyer. It sounds like his friend really bowed out because he’s been able to handle the easy stuff, and this one’s tougher.

        * From a human perspective, the guy brandished a weapon and announced a threat. That’s not going to win him friends hearing about him for the first time by reading articles like this. I’m not saying that means he belongs in prison, but I didn’t write the laws. The people he’ll be dealing with now will likely be a jury, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this action hurts his case with them.

  • DB.Coupe

    Share the story. Make it virally known. Perhaps in the near future a fund or kickstart will be made to supply him with the means to get a better lawyer. Although, it seems like they will do everything to suppress his right to a competent defense lawyer. I agree, the precedent of this story is troubling. There seems to be no accountability for police or federal wrong doing even when it isa blatant breach of individual rights and national laws. I am interested why, if not already the NRA has not backed Kokesh, they could take the case and supply defense lawyers…assuming they share similar views on gun rights.

    • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

      The NRA is a fairly conservative organization. Adam is a little too radical for them.

      • DB.Coupe

        Yeah, good point.

  • Truthel Hunden

    Unreal. I hate assuming, but I will assume he 1) researched the legalities of open carry of a shotgun in D.C. and more specifically in close proximity to a federal building, etc. and 2) the legalities of loading said shotgun in same area. If all this was legit, police had NO reason to raid him. Is his indefinite detention due in part to NDAA? I’ve read it, it states they cannot detain Americans, UNLESS they are suspected domestic terrorists. This case needs national attention, if he violated no laws in D.C., several of his constitution rights are being violated. Perhaps the ACLU should take this if they are done defending LAMDA.

  • Truthel Hunden

    Unreal. I hate assuming, but I will assume he 1) researched the
    legalities of open carry of a shotgun in D.C. and more specifically in
    close proximity to a federal building, etc. and 2) the legalities of
    loading said shotgun in same area. If all this was legit, police had NO
    reason to raid him. Is his indefinite detention due in part to NDAA?
    I’ve read it, it states they cannot detain Americans, UNLESS they are
    suspected domestic terrorists. This case needs national attention, if
    he violated no laws in D.C., several of his constitution rights are
    being violated. Perhaps the ACLU should take this if they are done
    defending NAMBLA.

    • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

      Nothing NDAA-related. They are keeping him on a couple technicalities like a screwup on his address in their paperwork. They’re really keeping him because he pissed off a lot of people in DC by calling for armed revolution. It’s a political case.

      • Truthel Hunden

        If they’re keeping him on paperwork technicalities, and no charges get filed, I would think he’d have a pretty hefty lawsuit he can file for his civil rights being violated?? I’m not a lawyer, but it seems like common sense. I’m seeing: unlawful search/seizure, unlawful imprisonment/detention, violation of 1st amendment, 2nd amendment, etc, etc.

        • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

          Oh they have charges filed against him. The charges were filed back in July. They have their reason for holding him. It’s simultaneously legal and bullshit.

    • Nikki B

      He did violate laws in DC. Specifically, gun laws.

      • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

        No, he didn’t. Heller vs. DC established several years ago that DC’s guns laws are unconstitutional in whole or in part. What’s more, the second amendment to the constitution guarantees that government will not interfere in everyone’s inherent right to keep and bear arms. Also, he’s considered innocent *unless* proven guilty in a state court of injustice.

      • DB.Coupe

        That’s ambitiously inaccurate.

        • Nikki B

          Really? Because *right in the story*, it says:

          “The District has a litany of laws on the books that make it more difficult to obtain some firearms, impossible to obtain others, and illegal to carry any loaded gun in the city.” Just being in D.C. with a loaded firearm, even if it is legally registered, is a violation of the law. D.C. laws also ban gun owners from carrying firearms openly or
          concealed in public.

          And since
          “On July 4, Kokesh uploaded a video of himself loading a shotgun in Freedom Plaza in the District of Columbia. With the Capital building behind him, the activist said as he loaded his firearm…”, he broke the law.

          So please explain how what I said was inaccurate?

  • Kyle Kendall

    A good go forward fact finding topic for Ben Swann!! If he is legit, Kokesh, then he is the type of person that awakens that revolutionary spirit in any true American. And if he is truly being hidden for fear of inciting said revolution, all the more reason to get the truth out!

  • http://thekingofmontana.blogspot.com/ Mark Anthony Given

    THE REAL CON-AIR WAS PACKED! If it was designed for 128 there were over a hundred belly chained up and ready to fly. You know how in the CON AIR with Coppola, where the inside of the plane had been gutted to look like pens and individual holding cells with anxious bad men waiting to spring? I didn’t see any of that. I was on it several times and it was pretty much what you would expect from the US Government, adequate, professional and well maintained. It was four seats on each side just like a commercial air line, you set in the order you were in. The women sat up front and were already on the plane. Seven or eight all business US Marshal’s, a couple women all dressed in bloused Jump Boots and US Marshal dark Blue and White Lettering uniform and would just love someone to get out of line and they save the day and get booted up the line. After we got going the atmosphere changed from Red Alert to were almost home and a few passed out Baloney sandwiches with Fruit and Granola Bars and bottled water. Then came by and offered Aspirin and extra Bottled water. I swear to you, I was on it several times between ’86 and ’98 when I maxed out, it was the same every time. Flew to New York, Miami, New Orleans, Dallas-Ft. Worth and back to El Reno, Oklahoma, its home base every day. And if you upset their little program in any way, you get left in some hillbilly jail in the middle of nowhere and your Paper Work would get there on time, but you were gonna be late. Weeks, maybe months behind schedule. And if they told the Judge you messed with the“Air Marshal’s,” that was your ass, your case was going to the bottom of the Docket, and they ignore your cries. Throw your Habeas Corpus Petition in the garbage! I’ll say it again: Do Not under any circumstances piss the government off as you. You will rue the day. I can’t tell you the number of guys I see in jail who took on the government, talked stupid to the Court, file motions just to be filing shit. It always ended the same way: Buried so deep in the Federal System it will take three months for your Mail to find you!!! Most people like me knew a day on this thing could save you weeks of cross country prison van nightmare stories I could tell you about…. The Real Con Air by Mark Anthony Given reallifeheist dot com

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  • Alesia

    This is able to happen in the “Fundamentally Transformed” America. I think we should be afraid.

    • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

      Fear works to their advantage. Be courageous instead.

      • sharonhansen209

        That’s what Adam did and he is essentially being tortured for it and yet there is no victim. Totally unconstitutional. The unjust will be reckoned with come judgment day and that day can’t come too soon for me. The uninformed voter has no idea who is a good candidate and who is a bad one. It’s a toss up for the majority I would guess. The presidential counts are supposedly impossible from last election though I have not verified that with my own eyes and yet nothing is done about it.

  • Alesia

    I also watched the infowars.com clip on how the FEMA troopies are being taught to come in and confiscate personal weapons. Of course that action would only be necessary if “MARTIAL LAW” were declared. I am horrified at what we are allowing to happen to our country under this administration.

    • Gaston Glock

      Good thing I live in Kentucky. KRS 257.104 Rights to acquire, carry, and use deadly weapons not to be impaired during disaster or emergency — Seizure of deadly weapons during
      disaster or emergency prohibited —
      Application of section.
      1 No person, unit of government, or governmental organization shall, during a period of disaster or emergency as specified in KRS Chapter 39A or at any other time, have the right to revoke, suspend, limit the use of, or otherwise impair the validity of the right of any person to purchase, transfer, loan, own, possess, carry, or use a firearm, firearm part, ammunition, ammunition component, or any deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.
      2 No person, unit of government, or governmental organization shall, during a period of disaster or emergency as specified in KRS Chapter 39A or at any other time, take, seize, confiscate, or impound a firearm, firearm part, ammunition, ammunition component, or any deadly weapon or dangerous instrument from any person.

      3 The provisions of this section shall not apply to the taking of an item specified in subsection (1) or (2) of this section from a person who is:
      (a) Forbidden to possess a firearm pursuant to KRS 527.040;
      (b) Forbidden to possess a firearm pursuant to federal law;
      (c) Violating KRS 527.020;
      (d) In possession of a stolen firearm;
      (e) Using a firearm in the commission of a separate criminal offense; or
      (f) Using a firearm or other weapon in the commission of an offense under
      KRS Chapter 150.

    • g.johnon

      actually that particular video was filmed in new Orleans during the dubya rule. pick a party, any party, throw yourself behind it and you are a loser.

  • CreepyAssCracker

    The sad fact is, as long as the masses keep getting their handouts from government, the masses will not care about how much freedom is stripped away. This isn’t a right vs left issue; this is freedom vs slavery. The very government we the people put in place to protect our freedom, is the oppressors of our freedom.

    • Don Damien Orbea

      amen

  • Gregory Alan of Johnson

    There are many “political prisoners” on the land-mass of the “United States”. James Timothy Turner among them. People are kidnapped for exercising their rights that the muni-corp, regardless of level, do not recognize of a subject-citizen of the 14th amendment. NOBODY can be a “United States citizen”, because it is a Trust (paper and ink), and no living vessel (flesh/blood) can be such. Keep that in mind the next time you’re asked that question or asked if you are a “resident” (another paper/ink entity of commerce). Go find a law dictionary and look up pertinent terms from the above stated amendment.

    • Ambassador David

      “NOBODY can be a “United States citizen”, because it is a Trust (paper
      and ink), and no living vessel (flesh/blood) can be such.”
      That is where the ‘Graven Image’ or Person comes in, so that we can pretend to be a Dead Thing rather than a living being and therefore able to play a part in another directors production.

      Good to see you getting around and sharing in this and opther forums brother Gregory,, I have been seeing you alot lately here and there.

      • Gregory Alan of Johnson

        Thanks. I don’t ‘believe’ I’ve had the honor of your acquaintance.

  • Guest

    Hate to say it, but he broke the law quite egregiously (regardless of the fact that some feel it is unconstitutional). Also, THAT’S WHY HE DID IT. So, really he brought this on himself. Now, he should get a fair trial and not be held indefinitely, but regardless of the shroom thing, he DID break the law. And, just to fend off the guy that says it’s “ambitiously inaccurate” to say it was against the law and the guy who ignores the fact that it is STILL LAW despite being ruled unconstitutional, I quote the above article:

    “D.C. gun laws are some of the strictest in the U.S. As reported by ABC News,
    “The District has a litany of laws on the books that make it more
    difficult to obtain some firearms, impossible to obtain others, and
    illegal to carry any loaded gun in the city.” Just being in D.C. with a
    loaded firearm, even if it is legally registered, is a violation of the
    law. D.C. laws also ban gun owners from carrying firearms openly or
    concealed in public.”

    So, yes, it IS an unconstitutional law, but it is STILL a law which he knowingly and intentionally broke.

    • freedom1st

      How many times has your pretend president broken the law and spit on our Constitution because the little boy did not get his way??

  • Guest

    Hate to say it, but he broke
    the law quite egregiously. Also, THAT’S WHY HE DID IT. So, really he brought
    this on himself. Now, he should get a fair trial and not be held
    indefinitely, but regardless of the shroom thing, he DID break the law.
    And, just to fend off the guy that says it’s “ambitiously inaccurate” to
    say it was against the law and the guy who ignores the fact that it is
    STILL LAW despite being ruled unconstitutional, I quote the above
    article:

    “D.C. gun laws are some of the strictest in the U.S. As reported by ABC News,
    “The District has a litany of laws on the books that make it more
    difficult to obtain some firearms, impossible to obtain others, and
    illegal to carry any loaded gun in the city.” Just being in D.C. with a
    loaded firearm, even if it is legally registered, is a violation of the
    law. D.C. laws also ban gun owners from carrying firearms openly or
    concealed in public.”

    So, yes, it IS an unconstitutional law, but it is STILL a law which he knowingly and intentionally broke.

    • DB.Coupe

      Yes, it was an act of civil disobedience. It was non violent and only criminal in the eyes of a criminal system. So yes, he broke a criminal law created by politically influential criminals. The law is invalid no matter how you write it or enforce it.

      We shall see how it unfolds.

    • 8yerbrain

      Bad laws (ones without victims, unlike murder, rape and theft) are only followed by cowards and sheep.

  • markexists

    Hate to say it, but he broke the law quite egregiously. Also, THAT’S WHY HE DID IT. So, really he brought this on himself. Now, he should get a fair trial and not be held indefinitely, but regardless of the shroom thing, he DID break the law. And, just to fend off the guy that says it’s “ambitiously inaccurate” to say it was against the law and the guy who ignores the fact that it is STILL LAW despite being ruled unconstitutional, I quote the above article:

    “D.C. gun laws are some of the strictest in the U.S. As reported by ABC News,
    “The District has a litany of laws on the books that make it more difficult to obtain some firearms, impossible to obtain others, and illegal to carry any loaded gun in the city.” Just being in D.C. with a loaded firearm, even if it is legally registered, is a violation of the law. D.C. laws also ban gun owners from carrying firearms openly or concealed in public.”

    So, yes, it IS an unconstitutional law, but it is STILL a law which he knowingly and intentionally broke. There are some places where archaic laws say such things as “it’s illegal to ride a
    donkey backwards on Tuesdays.” Regardless of the stupidity of the law, it
    can still be broken. So, don’t pretend he didn’t know what he was doing or that he shouldn’t be jailed for it – because the POINT of his action was to break the law he didn’t agree with.

    • Linda Gonzales

      Than I guess Mrs. Parks should have stayed in the back of the bus too. She should have just served her time and gotten in line with the program.

      • markexists

        Well, actually, she stayed at the front of the bus. Her actions weren’t considered dangerous or a felony, though. Also, she didn’t do it to wave it in their face. She was just tired. In this case, yes the law that was broken shouldn’t be a law, but he wouldn’t have taken this action if it wasn’t still in effect. He could have organized a protest with signs, marches, and speeches. Instead, he did that absolute worst thing he could have done to make his point: load a gun in a place where it is illegal to have a weapon, loaded or unloaded, and make vaguely threatening remarks about the government. Yes, I agree that the law shouldn’t be a law, but he really shouldn’t have done this.

        • Linda Gonzales

          I know which section of the bus was for brown sickened people. She had ridden in the back all her life. Staying in the back would have done nothing to show the idiocy of the laws against her. Adam and the rest of his firearms friendly associates (like me) have also kept to ourselves, stayed in our gun cabinets so to speak. We’ve allowed thousands of gun laws (literally) to be passed against us. It’s to the point that there is no fathomable way that we aren’t criminals somewhere, some how.

          That was Adam’s point (in my opinion). A peaceful person with a firearm is no threat. That’s what makes gun laws so egregious. His other point, keep pushing us and we will defend ourselves.

          Adam has already done all the protesting and banner holding he (or any of us) are going to do. That type of ‘activism’ does nothing. We stand in the designated protest zones, around the corner and behind the wall, and no one takes our issues seriously.

          He may not win this battle. He may end up serving a decade for nothing more than standing up for others against unjust laws. But I assure you, he doesn’t desire it.

        • DB.Coupe

          Why “shouldn’t he have done this”, I think it is also important to note he anticipated an arrest.
          Wy should someone not use civil disobedience to raise awareness of encroaching injustice? Just because a law is a law does not make it right. That would be the narrow mind a forced government desires from disengaged citizens. I’m not going to preach, but I will quote a preacher

          “Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.” Martin Luther King Jr

          • markexists

            I agree that it needs to be pointed out. But the stupidity on display here is on the level of a man convincing people that there are sharks in the water by cutting himself and letting sharks eat him.

        • Tom Butler

          You are dead wrong about Rosa Parks though.

          • Guest

            He’s not, actually. She spoke in several interviews and said exactly that. That fact doesn’t diminish the importance of her actions, nor her strength and character to continue the struggle that she began, no matter how unintentionally.

          • Tom Butler

            I just don’t buy the story that Rosa Parks, a NAACP secretary, happens to unintentionally take a stand on an issue that NAACP was looking for a test case in. I don’t think it diminishes her story or what she did at all, but it is naive to think she didn’t do it to wave it in their face.

        • g.johnon

          so, the worst thing a person can do is to stand before a corrupt government and exercise both his constitutional and natural rights?

        • 8yerbrain

          What he did was bold, and arguably stupid, if one’s intentions are to avoid confrontation, not make a scene and generally live the cowards life. Obviously as an activist and a man of principle he did what he felt was correct. Namely, to live and act as a free man, and to reveal to us the nature of government as an overbearing, aggressively violent beast that’s extinction is coming. So yeah, he’s facing some serious consequences for his actions…but he’s being the change he wants to see in the world instead of just talking about it. History looks kindly on these types.

    • dddienst

      The supreme court has ruled that an unconstitutional law is NO law.

      • markexists

        I’m not arguing that point. Yes, if a law is ruled unconstitutional, it should no longer be a law. But it IS still a law and that is why he did what he did in the first place. It’s a real Catch-22. Take action to show that law that shouldn’t be a law to make a point, but said law will have a harsh penalty tied to it? Or do something less extreme like hold up signs? I see both sides of it, but my inner-me is falling more on the side of “you should have thought that through a little more, bro.”

        • Mike

          Its not a catch 22, your thinking is warped by believing statute over Law and believing legal over Lawful. Adam is being held captive over un-lawful statute.

          • markexists

            Well, as I said to another poster, it is as stupid as a man cutting himself in the ocean to prove people that there are sharks.

        • g.johnon

          ok, if what you are saying is that even unconstitutional laws are excuses for law enforcement types to act out their sociopathetic issues, then I would agree. but that does not take away from the excessive force or the planting of controlled substances. it is becoming clear who the real criminals are in this little passion play.

          • jwclark

            So far there is no proof that Mark’s “inner-me” actually exists. Neither does he know that an ancient wise man once said that “the inner and the outer man (the one with hands to act) should be at one?” Apparently the two are divided in him and he has no problem with that. I wonder which is to blame? Personally, I think it is just Mark. JWC

          • g.johnon

            i dunno jw, I get the feeling that mark is among the relatively freshly awake. I think he’s gonna be just fine.

          • jwclark

            No Johnon, He is still divided. His argument is just a posture, a kind of false verbal platform where he gives the impression to himself and others that he is actually thinking about a topic when in fact he has already made up his mind. This means in other words that this is just a verbal formula with a blank in it where he can insert his opinion which is his sole purpose. The rest is just a distraction and a seeming. The whole thing is ego bound. Real thinking is much more rigorous and willing to have self and its presumptions questioned. And in fact this is what dialectics is, the “unsupposing of suppositions.” So, do not be fooled by this dandy. He will not take you, nor anyone, anywhere! Sharing your self divided condition and holding it up as a model of thought is NOT a work of love. JWC

          • g.johnon

            aww jw, was there never a time in your past when you were in the grinder on the way to finding the self within?
            or were you just born into what you are today?

      • markexists

        But the fact that it is a law that would automatically have him labeled a domestic terrorist by protesting the way he did. If he was hoping for a court case, he did it wrong. Loading a gun where he did while making vague threats to the government ensured that he would be labeled a terrorist. And terrorists have no rights. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not commenting on the MESSAGE, I’m just saying his METHOD was wrong.

    • DB.Coupe

      Why are you posting the same message 3 time? Do you mind deleting your other posts you made under different accounts?

      • markexists

        Not sure what you mean. As far as I can tell, I posted it once. I did edit it, though, as I saw a few errors.

    • DB.Coupe

      Yes, it was an act of civil disobedience. It was non violent and only criminal in the eyes of a criminal system. So yes, he broke a criminal law created by politically influential criminals. The law is invalid no matter how you write it or enforce it.

      If a law like riding your donkey backwards is stupid then anyone who enforces such a law would subsequently be stupid, no?

      Anyways, we shall see how the case unfolds.

    • ter ber

      Many in congress pack heat. So now who are these DC laws for? beholdapalehorse.tv

    • Don Damien Orbea

      From your post: “So, yes, it IS an unconstitutional law…” We have a duty in America to highlight “unconstitutional” laws and Adam’s act is just that. “Tthere is a BIG difference between a law and what is right. It was “unlawful” for blacks to have rights not so long ago-they were merely property of the ruling class. Adam’s civil disobedience is a reflection of a moral core-would you risk your freedom/life for something you believe?

    • jwclark

      No one is saying he didn’t know what he was doing sir. That is just a sophistical fabrication. And, he was involved in political speech, a thing protected, period! And he filmed it and published it. That is speech–not a violation of the law or a revolutionary act! He, in other words, was acting within the law. It is the police who are violating the law!
      Thus your supercilious (mis) take on this is just a fabrication of what happened and that does not help anyone to think this through to clarity. Please try to think before you offer these supercilious lectures. Sure he knew he would be arrested–he is fighting a police state. But he should have been out almost immediately. He wasn’t because this is no longer the United States of America. That is the point and the only point. Don’t muddy the waters; that is no help to Kokesh or anyone who might want clarity on what is happening to him and, by implication, to them and the rest of us who have lost our republic! JWC

  • dan

    those that do not understand the flawed laws that were claimed broken OR who do not come down on the side of justice ,liberty and freedom ….someday soon YOU or your loved ones will be put in a similar position as Adam was..weather self imposed or not…you have seen and have been warned…by the very entities that will involve you….imho…..Semper Fi

  • Linda Gonzales

    From his facebook event:
    _____________________

    THIS EVENT BEGINS NOW AND IS ONGOING UNTIL ADAM IS FREE!

    Adam’s trial has been moved to November 18th. On November 6th, he will
    have a status hearing where his lawyer will file a motion to DISMISS
    charges, as well as to release Adam on bail. Although he has been denied
    bail for his non-violent “crime” THREE TIMES, by the 6th, he will have
    been in for the maximum number of days without trial. He now has a
    better chance than ever to receive bail.

    Please take five minutes to write a respectful, peaceful letter to the judge and prosecutor on his case to explain why Adam should be free!!!

    Judge:
    Judge Patricia Broderick
    500 Indiana Avenue NW
    Washington, DC 20001

    Prosecutor:
    Assistant U.S. Attorney Natalia Medina
    555 4th Street NW
    Washington, DC 20530

    This event will continue until the 6th. Let’s flood them! :D

  • http://flavors.me/thorstone137 Dustin Goerndt

    Politically, what is “extremist”? There are many claims of extremist views being thrown to the left and the right that are, in my opinion, purely subjective.

    With that, doesn’t “politics” revolve around Law? And, isn’t Law an objective tool?

    In my view, there are political “extremist’s” running a muck in this country. They are the ones who’s actions ostensibly exceed the Law; who must expel odd amounts of effort defending their actions. And we can see this on the ground and in government.

    For example:

    In government, we know that if today’s implementation of the Patriot Act was known by congress as how it would actually be implemented and part of the debate in 2001, it would not have passed as is. I see today’s implementation of it as extreme – the government continually pushes the boundaries put forth by the Act and is still trying to defend it’s right to do so.

    On the ground, an Iraq veteran named Adam Kokesh went to downtown D.C and video taped himself loading a shot-gun touting the “the last American revolution”. While, D.C. has perfectly legitimate Laws banning such actions. As a result his home was raided and he was arrested. To me the problem isn’t the legitimacy of his arrest, but how it has been and is being handled – flash grenades, officers hiding their badges, the possible planting of evidence, no bond, no bail, and no trail for 114 days – 85 of those is solitary confinement? Is this standard procedure?

    Again we return to my definition of political extremism “actions that ostensibly exceed the Law; who must expel odd amounts of effort defending their actions”..

    • http://georgedonnelly.com/ George Donnelly

      Law, as it is known today, is hardly objective. It is a tool used by the connected class to leverage government for their exclusive benefit.

      Is this standard procedure? There is no such thing. Every situation is different for these people and every day they ramp up their levels of violence and oppression.

      • Don Damien Orbea

        amen-but “standard procedure “appears to be exterminate any dissident by any means

    • Linda Gonzales

      Very good point, we’ve seen a lot of police action lately that doesn’t seem to suit the crime.

      One of the most interesting interviews/confusions I’ve ever heard was from Barry Cooper (ex narcotics officer) of NeverGetBusted.com, when he talked about how he would deliver violent, scary ‘no knocks’ to families in the middle of the night and how he could have taken the suspects into custody in a non-aggressive way instead; like pulled them over for a traffic violation.

    • Don Damien Orbea

      “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”

    • jwclark

      Dustin: Nonsense. Terrible stupid nonsense. They didn’t read the leglislation for a reason. Why do you give them this excuse and a cheap innocence that they don’t deserve? Jesus! These folks are U. S. Senators and Congresspersons! They are either stupid or they betrayed the people, and neither of these is praiseworthy. Nor can their actions be taken back! Jesus! The notion that you give someone absolute power and they won’t use it is just too too naive. Wise men do not do this. But slaves do. Why then the apologetics? JWC

      • http://flavors.me/thorstone137 Dustin Goerndt

        JWC: you’re an extremist. With that you only have 2 options: be a Hero or be a Villian. By the why you’ve bull rushed this dicussion with judgements I would have to say you’re well on your way to villiany. There is no sin in Faith.

        • jwclark

          Faith in vilians like these and apologizing for them is not faith but folly. And a lack of judgment is not openness, ever. JWC

  • Mike

    “First they came for the communists,and I didn’t speak out
    because I wasn’t a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came
    for the Jews, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they
    came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

    East coast brethren, maybe its time to go get Adam out of the pokey before there is no one left to speak for you!

    • avocadoman

      thank you, that is where this all is, and where we all are

  • r3VOLution IS NOT republican

    Where is “moose-rifle” Sarah Palin?

    Where is tear-soaked Glenn Beck?

    Where is SHOTGUN ROCKER Ted Nugent?

    Where’s “we’ll put a boot in yer’ass” Hannity?

    Where’s ROOTIN’ TOOTIN’ Rick Perry?

    Where is the NRA?

    Where is “his stare ALONE could release Kokesh” Chuck Norris?

    Where is Bachmann?

    Where’s FAKE-TEA GOP groups Freedomworks, Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots?

    WHERE ARE THE “conservative,” “from my cold dead hands” REPUBLICANS?!?!?!?!

    • freedom1st

      You are stuck on stupid or you must touch yourself to much

      • r3VOLution IS NOT republican

        Explain.

        • jwclark

          I’m afraid you got the best he has to offer RNR. JWC

    • Freethinker

      I think you should add “Where’s Ron Paul” to that list I haven’t heard anything from him either.

      • r3VOLution IS NOT republican

        Good point.

  • Mettawabe

    I like what Jim Marrs said on the Alex Jones show, “It is too late to save the country and too early to go shoot the bastards.” Adam Kokesh was a bit early in his radical protests, but he still shouldn’t be treated like this. America is no longer free.

    • jwclark

      Mettawabe: Be careful what you say. This is not funny. Kokesh did not start a revolution. But they will say that he did. Why would you say anything then that might be construed to affirm their lies? He used loading a shotgun as a political statement, which statement is protected, period! He filmed it and published it. This is “speech.” He did not shoot anyone.
      He has made his sacrifice, which he was willing to make, and he has proven his point: we live in a police state where the Bill of Rights is a dead and meaningless thing. Most of the police can live with that because they are ignorant thugs, cowards, and even assassins for a mere abstraction, a “state.”
      That he willingly made this sacrifice does not mean that we should not go and get him out. A million in Washington might do it. Other things too are persuasive, but one thing is clear: these folks understand only force, or numbers which is a promise of force. Be careful what you say. JWC

  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    I like what Adam does for the most part. Even though I don’t always agree with his tactics, he has my full support. However, something smells fishy here. I wouldn’t be surprised if Adam is part of the “controlled uprising” the government seems to be trying to propagate. It seems as if Adam is almost instigating an armed uprising while talking about a peaceful revolution. I view shill, Alex Jones in the same light. They seem to always speak about a need for a revolution and peoples rights to be weaponized, which I support, but it seems as if they’re trying to get a violent reaction out of those in the anti gov’t movement and I’m sure the gov’t would love nothing more than to squash an armed uprising. What they fail to realize is that this uprising is one of consciousness, not arms and the gov’t is and will lose this battle because they only know how to deal with violence and that is not what today’s revolutionaries represent. Sorry gov’t. Your false flags, false “truth” prophets and “provocateurs” don’t work anymore. The harder you try and force that issue, the further you advance our true cause, so in that respect, thanks for all you do. :)

    • r3VOLution IS NOT republican

      Yes. “Something smells fishy.”

      1. If “government-controlled” Kokesh is a creation to spark an “uprising,” they’ve FAILED MISERABLY – which is UNCHARACTERISTIC of our LAWLESS, LEFTIST criminals commanding our government. Seems they would use AN ACTUAL CONTROLLED PUPPET like Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck. Or their PUPPET FAKE-TEA GOP groups like Freedomworks.

      2. Alex Jones HAS STATED ON MANY OCCASION, that he STRONGLY SUPPORTS PEACEFUL RESISTANCE. REPEATEDLY. I’m struggling to understand what you think he’s “shilling”… FOR.

      Yes, my friend. Something about your “comment” smells VERY FISHY.

    • 8yerbrain

      If Adam is controlled opposition, we have absolutely nothing to fear from any of his “handlers.” They are inept. Whether or not you agree with his most recent stunt, one does have to acknowledge that Adam has played a large part in waking people up to the fact that governments (all of them) are immoral and violent. His actions were bold and courageous, and now he’s paying the price for them. I can only hope the aggressively violent response of the state in this case proves to be yet another wake up call to all of us.

    • jwclark

      This post is what I find “fishy.” First, what is your name. We can’t have a revolution “Now!” without names with bodies attached to them instead of pseudonyms hiding in a closet. Who are you, and what are you risking? And why are you hiding? Your moniker is “Revolution now while we can” but the two loudest voices who are trying to awaken people to the fact that it is almost too late, are the ones you question, even attack (Alex Jones is a “shill?”) and damn with faint praise (Kokesh) at the same time that you claim to give him your “full support!” So, if consistency is the measure of truth then this post of yours is very fishy, not the arrest and incarceration of Adam Kokesh which was predictable as he well knew. Kokesh may suffer but he has has won a significant battle which, incidentally, will come to nothing if more people like Ben Swann don’t get the word out! This includes you. Reread your post. It is an intellectual mess. Consistency IS the measure of truth. JWC

    • Libertatis

      Alex Jones frequently, repeatedly, and forcefully advocates for fighting the INFORMATION war–and NOT going physical.
      Either you don’t listen to him or you’re shilling your own agenda.

  • Don Damien Orbea

    i am old enough to remember Kent State, My Lai, Watergate, ad nauseum. I have seen first hand how law enforcement can and does plant evidence, fabricate charges and suppress lawful dissidence. “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” originally referred to marital infidelity but its principle is universal-we expect law enforcement to be just, fair and blind but men’s hearts are deceitfully wicked. Our judicial system, indeed our government was founded on biblical principles that have been abandoned as our leaders abdicate their responsibilities.

    What has befallen this man is another in a systematic campaign to exterminate any challenge to dictatorial conduct-our ONLY hope is CHRIST.

    • john smith

      Christ came to save us from our sin. This government that is on our throats – this may be us reaping years of bad sowing. Look how we treated the African Americans and Native Americans. Sowing and reaping.

      • Don Damien Orbea

        AMEN

    • jwclark

      Sir: There are no biblical principles that are not at the same time first principles! Natural Law, self evident truths, which our state papers are full of, consciously, can not be different from biblical principles. But Natural Law is universal and belongs to no one time or one people. Historically the churches have suppressed this fundamental metaphysical fact. The Founders were careful therefore to keep churchy rhetoric out of the Constitution and its preface, the Declaration, etc.
      Similarly we can go back to the Constitution both for health and for the guidance of first principles, or, “self evident truth.” Of course, go to scripture for nourishment and guidance if you like but keep it our of the revolution or there will be a revolution within the revolution, men will be at each others throats and the real enemy will kill the fatted calf and throw a party to celebrate. Do you see this? First principles DO NOT BELONG TO ANY CHURCH! They do not belong to any one teacher. Confucius is reported to have said, “Do not do to others what you would not have them do to you.” See? Therefore keep the Church, i.e., Christ, out of it and simply refer to absolutely universal and first principles which are the only thing that can unite us all–”e plurubius unum.” Unity, not diversity, is fundamental. And all the churches know how to do is fight amongst each other–hardly a model for a successful revolution, eh? JWC

      • Don Damien Orbea

        Who do you think created “natural law”-the CREATOR, ALMIGHTY GOD. The “first principles” of which you write are perfect until they are used by men, then our wicked, selfish hearts pervert them.

        You know little about CHRIST-HIS kingdom is not a church and is not of this earth-”church” has alienated more people from HIM than any other thing. HE is all that is holy-Love,joy,peace, goodness,faith, mercy, and grace. WE are FALLEN AND SINFUL and will never be in “unity” until we confess, repent and are made whole by HIS blood sacrifice.

        I hope, but have no faith in your flesh ‘that HIS “pearls are not cast before swine.” I cannot speak to WHY you believe these fallacies but i will ask you to HUMBLE yourself in the sight of GOD and HE will raise you up.

  • anon.

    Yet Liberal Media can posses “ILLEGAL” AR-15 mags in DC and NOTHING is done about that! the Feds are just tools (pun intended) of Lenninist Master OBAMA!

    • r3VOLution IS NOT republican

      Yup… right along with the “Conservative” Media (FAKE-conservative Media: FOX, Clearchannel, Townhall, Blaze, Breitbart, Hotair, Rush, Hannity, Beck, Levin, etc) and the Lenninist Master Bush.

      • colram

        Absolutely. As many are finally realizing, there is only one party and it’s neither working for, nor under the control of, you and I.

        • jwclark

          It’s good that more people are seeing this. The whole thing is a charade and a fake.
          And those who seem to be fighting for the people in the media, whether on the Left or Right, are working just to keep people stirred up and fighting amongst themselves. Rachael and Rush are made out of the same cloth and are paid to keep us at each others throats. There are no exceptions. Wherever you find a partisan you find an enemy of the people–the sun shines down on all, not just on one nation (or party) or another. That is the model. Remember, to a partisan there is no common good. There can’t be. We need to understand this. The term “Neighbor” is higher than either Left or Right. JWC

  • Silencer505

    So the obvious question is not whether this was a violation of the Constitution or if law enforcement abused their powers (yet again). The question is what are the PEOPLE going to do about it? There is not enough data here to formulate an honest opinion. I do not know much about Adam Kokesh, who his friends were, or even how deeply involved he was in demonstrating and promoting his political stance. Law enforcement agencies usually do not bring that much firepower unless the threat is a clear and imminent danger. It looks like there was a report on how local law enforcement did not like Adam but that is not grounds for the way they were treated. This whole thing wreaks of corruption but unless there are more solid facts to this case I cannot say either way.

    • 目が覚める

      reguardless of the situation, punching someone in the face for having their cell phone out? kicking someone for asking to go to the bathroom? ignoring someone who is having that time of the month, and not allowing them to clean themselves up for hours? refusing to show the warrent BEFORE storming his house? using flash grenades? does ANY of this seem legit for a video that didn’t promote ANY physical threats, any type of destruction? this whole fiasco is WAY over the top, and the ONLY reason the response to him was so over the top is to scare others into NOT vocalizing their opinions, or speaking out. They are using terror to “keep us in line” now, so i think its pretty clear the american people are in the grip of a true and powerful terrorist. If their way is so right and they have to use excessive force and fear to drive us to do what they want, i THINK its safe to say there is a SERIOUS problem, and its time for a change, hopefully a peaceful one, but sadly, i don’t think it will happen that way.

      • john smith

        well said. sadly, I don’t see a way out that does not involve some force. I would hope that our military people have gotten a clue and will at some point turn their might against DC.

        • jwclark

          Everything points the other way John. We have no precedent for the military, or the police, doing anything other than what they are told–at least on a large scale. Clearly the situation that you “don’t see a way out of” includes the U. S. Military which is peopled by those whose integrity is merely verbal and formulaic, i.e., empty. It is of course sad, but it is true I fear. JWC

          • Don Damien Orbea

            We all “need” to FEAR GOD and seek HIS wisdom as the “wisdom” of this world is foolishness.

    • jwclark

      Silencer505: Re-read the Constitution in relation to the facts of their behavior and that should be all you need. The “warrant” was bogus, and the Constitution is very clear about the rights of those who are citizens and are presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. All of this is upside down. And it is obvious.
      And you are contradicting yourself. You say that police are abusing their powers “yet again” and then say, falsely, that “Law enforcement agencies usually do not bring that much firepower unless the threat is a clear and imminent danger.” But you know that increasingly every action is treated like a swat action, especially if it is political, which this obviously is. Kokesh made a gesture which was political speech and protected by the Constitution. All you need is one good judge to end this. But where to find a judge who is also a good man, eh? This is an abuse of the system from the top to the bottom. And one more point. The government bureaucrats could not do this without the police. The police are the enforcers of this rogue government. They are neither honest nor good, nor respectable neighbors. They are hired enforcers and sometimes mere assassins. None of this could happen if they would do the honorable thing and stand down. They don’t; thus we know what they are: bullies, cowards, and assassins. JWC

  • Michael Brinkerhoff

    The time is coming………………………..

  • http://kustomdesigner.com/ michael h

    Everyone should march on the DISTRICT OF CRIMINALS with guns. They can’t stop everyone and this they know and fear. This is the reason they keep Kokesh, the illusion that they have the power when in fact WE DO. A full March on DC with a million of us with guns cocked and loaded would destroy that illusion completely.

    • Matt Whitlock

      Um, they *can* stop everyone. They have tanks with microwave dishes and sonic guns, and, if it comes down to it, billions of rounds of ammunition. Violent revolt is suicide.

      • john

        u can when u got the rite strategy

        • john smith

          agreed. they’re scared.

        • Tim

          There is no revolution that can be reasonable unless the country is in a state where our Liberties are completely gone and 2/3rds+ of the country wants to uphold the Constitution. We are NOT at that point.

          The best you can do is to spread information and try to convince people to spread the voice of Liberty to the masses. Unless you have the nation behind your movement, you are doing the wrong thing. There is a lot of work to do and PLENTY of non-violent options to restore our Republic to it’s Constitutional intentions.

          No one should be speaking of violence. Again, we’re NOT at that point. But we are on the road to that destination at some point if we fail to discuss what’s wrong with the country with the masses.

          • Mark Raymond

            What do you mean we are not at that point yet? How many more examples of tyranny do you need before you think its time? Theres been proof and examples for as long as i can remember and im 54 years old, that its been time to revolt. If you dont see that you are the problem with america.

          • Tim

            I see there are serious problems Mark, but not enough people are fully aware of it and supporting change. Without that support, if you push violence, you will turn people against you. Violence is a LAST resort AFTER you’ve got the numbers on your side and the enemy have made it impossible for the people to change anything.

          • g.johnon

            tim, many of us have been trying to peacefully inform the masses for better than 50 years. all that time the machine has just grown stronger, crazier and more deadly.
            this is not so much a numbers game, this is not a democracy of majority rule but a republic of free individuals with a constitutional promise to be free of the influence of the masses. the masses are not in play, just those with conviction enough to see freedom through.

          • Tim

            Like I said. Violence at this point will NOT work. We still have the ballot box available and our free speech rights. We have our dollars and we have online media sources that are growing ever bigger and stronger in coverage.

            YOU MUST GIVE TIME for our new media outlets to carry the messages of Liberty and the shame of the government’s violations of our freedoms to reach the ears and minds of the mass-public.

            If people move to violence before the message is understood by the masses in America and until it’s clear that the govt is squashing your rights of speech, then you are going to LOSE all credibility and support among the people.

            We have new, growing media afloat on the internet now carrying a fresh message. We still have the ballot box available. That means we are FAR from exhausting all non-violent means to restore our Constitution to it’s proper place to protect Liberty.

            I will NOT subscribe to, nor will I support violence when there are MANY options remaining and so little support from the people at large.

            The Founders gave us a Republic and yes, that Republic is weakened and battered, but the latest govt shutdown PROVES that the Republic the Founders put in place is not so easily beaten in how it limits powers of different branches. The Founders were very wise and we, as citizens need to use our remaining rights that the Founders listed to the best of our ability to make change.

            There are STILL possibilities remaining and please have faith that the Republic is not gone yet. There are tools in our system that were sounded off by the Founders that still remain and we can use them to be successful but they can only be successful if used with correct strategy, calculating mind and determined spirit. Violence is for self-defense and a LAST resort.

            Also remember, the politicians who have taken over this government and are determined to shatter it, craftily used the freedoms within our Republic to accomplish their goals. WE must take pages from their playbook and use those plays against them in return! Start LOCAL. Build your talking points from the bottom and get your conversations honed in the local political districts.

            Look at Krisanne Hall as an example. A few years ago she quit her job as a District Attorney in Florida and started a Ministry to teach the Constitution to groups of people across the country. She’s been driving her car around giving her speeches and lessons for “donations only” as payment. She has criss-crossed the nation and inspired many people, including Sheriffs, police officers and politicians. She just signed a contract to have a syndicated radio show after all her hard work.

            Folks, if that little woman can preach Liberty and successfully win over hearts and minds across the country working out of her broken down old car, then it’s clear that we have work to do and that work isn’t about violence. It’s about re-teaching our roots as a nation to a population of people who have been mis-educated in our schools about our country and what it REALLY stands for. Until we reach the hearts and minds of our own people in America with the TRUTH, then no violence can ever be successful. I still hold to the idea that violence isn’t even necessary to win back this country at the ballot box.

          • g.johnon

            tim, I do admire your passion and would do nothing to diminish it.
            I too with with all my heart that we could turn this around without violence. I an not advocating a violent revolution, just acknowledging the historical and human natures of such things.
            historically, revolutions have tended to be organic and spontaneous; not so much planned out and executed with anything resembling grace or finesse.
            I also wish that we had the time that you think we do and the tools that you describe. the ballot box, for one, is lost to us, assembly to redress is met with gorillas in armor gear wearing badges. the internet is a wonder for certain, but it is so vast and spread out that it divides us in its own way.
            basically, the system is corrupt to the point of fubar and it will not be reasoned with.
            even if you replace every politician in the land, the multinational corps and banks would still be running the show to their own ends.
            I have seen folks on this site hoping for a military coup. that may be a hope, but it could very well also be a whole new set of problems.
            its just life on the blue ball with a bunch of loony humans, so expect the unexpected and don’t waste your time looking for dull moments.
            thank you for introducing me to krisanne. she is on my favorites list now.

          • Tim

            “thank you for introducing me to krisanne. she is on my favorites list now.”

            Yeah. She is a very intelligent and reasoned voice in the Liberty movement and highly educated. She also has been in our legal system which gives her a very unique perspective in this whole deal.

            Please, introduce others to her. She ‘earned’ the place of someone that should have a voice. She has done so much work and outreach for the Liberty movement. She’s reached Sheriffs and some military (as she is BOTH ex-military and ex-prosecutor), so she has the ability to connect to the people inside the establishment and win them over to her point of view.

            She’s truly brilliant as a speaker and as a political philosopher. I truly admire how she is able to reach back to the writings of the Founders and compare/contrast their intended meaning with our world today. She’s truly a brilliant voice and we need to promote her in the Liberty movement.

          • jwclark

            Tim: as for violence as “a last resort” the Chinese say that the talk of revolution must go around “three times,” and thus they agree with you. And there are untold thousands of Americans who are still profoundly asleep. But this has to do with strategy and success, and not with a spirit’s unwillingness to suffer indignity.

            The one question you do not address or bring up is what to do it they strike first? Do we just get on the cattle cars and allow ourselves to be taken to these concentration camps (one of which is near my home, empty but staffed and waiting for something, someone) they have been building at taxpayers expense? They sent an army to Kokesh’s home because he dared to exercise free political speech! And, you know they are monitoring these websites and reading those that they think suspect and looking for something they can turn to “cause” for detainment, i.e., an excuse to send someone else down the rabbit hole.
            I think we have to face it that in a revolution the act that starts it is always on the other side, not on the side of the people who only react when the whole thing is just too much.
            So, I think you need to be careful and make it clear that you are talking sensible strategy here so that you do not give others the message that revolutions must not be started unless they can be won! This is the wrong attitude and never won anything. The whole thing is about human dignity and a willingness to at some point give up life itself rather than submit to injustice and tyranny. Again, the Founders knew that what they were doing was probably suicide, and the war did not go well for a very long time. And yet at some point they stopped talking and picked up their muskets–the 18th Century AR-15. JWC

          • g.johnon

            wake up tim.

          • chris katko

            Finally some more reasoning.
            My lord, some of these people act like we are living in some ravaged third world country. I’ve been to a lot of those countries…it’s NOT the same. So much melodrama.

      • 8yerbrain

        Matt, I only ask you to consider how our troops are mired in the middle east. Eating sniper fire and IED sandwiches on a regular basis. Mind you, this in in another country, against a foreign enemy. You really think our police and military would obey orders to shoot and kill thousands of Americans exercising their constitutional right? I think instead you would have a lot of dead superior officers and politicians.

      • jwclark

        Matt: You miss the whole point. It is about freedom and the dignity that goes along with it. It is not about saving your skin, but being proud to live in it. Didn’t you ever read about the American Revolution. That was “suicide” too and most knew it–AND the fight didn’t go well for a very long time as well. They were in fact mostly losing. In a word, it was a huge risk they were willing to take. We have not proved ourselves worthy of them and that’s a fact. And your unmanly response doesn’t help–though I suspect that what needs to be done can be done without your help. JWC

        • g.johnon

          well said jw.

      • jwclark

        And one more thing Matt; did you never hear the expression “better dead than Red?” There are some who actually believe this. That you would rather be Red than dead matters little to those who believe in human dignity. JWC

      • Bob Loblaw

        Your argument is often repeated by anti-gun propagandists to justify not being armed. If you think you have no chance against MRAPs, LRADs, ADS, and a few billion bullets, just wait ten years and see what you’re up against. Would you rather risk being shot or tased for peaceful resistance en masse, or would you rather wait until your options are either making drones in the camps or being hunted by swarms of HELLADS drones thhat have 150KW lasers on them (being developed), and tracked by an ARGUS drone. I’m afraid it’s now or never. These guys are planning things that make comic book villians look like sensible, well-adjusted indiviuals.

        It’s harder to take down 300 million people than 1 guy, and it’s hard to justify using bullets unless we fire the first shot. The problem with such a march is the possibility of some loon, even hired by them, firing said shot, or even just making a bang sound, and then we lose.

        Still 300 million americans need to stop paying to be spied on, giving cash hto AT&T or Apple, or any other corporation making up the backbone of the surveillance grid and stop using closed source operating systems, and use open source OSes, apps, and end-to-end encryption. If people did things like that these criminals would eventually run out of ways/places to get their support/workers/funds.

      • chris katko

        Notice how each of us that have posted AGAINST intentional pointless mass suicide gets attacked and accused of being treasonous, shills,unamerican, etc?
        I find that more than just a bit suspicious.

    • john smith

      sign me up man.

    • chris katko

      Hooray…let’s all line up to get shot! Woohoo…that wil fix America…a turkey shoot.
      Go ahead and be a turkey. Before you do your march you should do some homework as to what you are up against, strategically, in that area.
      Life is not a comic book or a Hollywood movie.

  • John Landry

    When a countries intelligence is this paranoid and knee jerked, it’s in serious trouble. I hope Adam is OK and wins back his freedom.

  • 4Revolution

    It’s time to march on capitalist hill and remove these P.O.S.’s by FORCE.

    Democracy in the US is only an Illusion of Choice.

    • nctenther

      You could be more successful by going to your state capital. State Nullification, Jury Nullification and Grand Jury Cases are the answer. Washington will never listen otherwise

      • john smith

        washington would be made irrelevant if enough people simply stopped paying taxes and removed all their money from the banks.

        • Bob Loblaw

          And boycotted anyone that supports the establishment. Right down to business level. If you have a donut shop and know one of your customers kicked Adam, or is an NSA agent, etc. refuse to do business with them and get your neighbors to do the same.

          It’s people like Adam that are the main reason the NSSA spies on the public, and levies an open war on them. They know that when people discover their crimes, that people like Adam will be the ones that see to it that people like Gen. Keith Alexander and Lindsey Graham and Diane Feinstein are tried, convicted and possibly even lawfully executed for treason. That is a big part of what motivates the police state.

  • beddie

    adam touts judaism. 1.7% of the population claims to be jewish. there is a jewish conspiracy in which jews run the u.s. government, media, and banking. do we even know of 100 popular goy activists? yet this one is jewish. not a freak occurence when it is a conspiracy, though what would this one serve?

    • chris katko

      ““Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.””(Soferim 15)

      From the Talmud

  • David P Mayton

    You do realize you posted Adam’s moms address on the internet right?

  • 8yerbrain

    Kudos to Ben Swan for at least mentioning Adam Kokesh’s criminal kidnapping and imprisonment. Is he a political prisoner? You bet…he’s an enemy of the state in all of it’s manifestations. Should he be free to go? Yes! Of course, YES! NO VICTIM…NO CRIME.

  • Bligghy Blas

    He was begging others for sedition. What a lowlife.

    • Bob Loblaw

      He was excercizing his right, which the highest law in the land says NO ONE can lawfully infringe upon no matter what federal, state or local laws are passed, as until our highest law is amended to allow such laws, they are invalid and unconstitutional.

      • Jacob

        The District of Columbia is a separate entity from the United States of America and thus isn’t subject to the same Constitutional laws the States are.

        • Robert Zraick

          Good, let’s get rid of the District of Columbia.

        • E.J. Burger

          LOL district of Columbia does in fact have to follow constitutional law. The gun laws were already ruled unconstitutional. They feel they are above the law in DC. The American people need to show them they are not.

          • Marco Serpas

            yeah DC is so above the law they have voting rights…

          • Jacob

            Agreed.

        • Susan Donaldson

          i ve heard thats true as well Im worried for this guy but he is drawing attention to this fact which is rather strange…

        • Bob Loblaw

          It is in the sense that it is rogue and opererates outside of law.

          The fact is, our highest law says ALL men are created equal. Not citizens, not people within the country- ALL. Until they amend it to say otherwise, they cannot (lawfully) violate people’s contstitutional rights, even if by proxy through contractors on foreign soil a la “Gitmo”.

        • Pat Poe

          Not true, I cannot agree with your statement that is the same line of thought the Boarder patrol is using they want to suspend the constitution 100 miles in from the boarder. They refuse to follow the constitution at the boarder. Two states lose all right and power according to them. According to them they are the judge dread, and can walk into any home without warrant or cause in the 100 mile freedom free zone. They can search your home without warrant, and they can beat you without penalty. That is what they imply in when they claim 100 mile constitution free zone! You are wrong, and they are wrong. That land, in the district of Colombia, is owned by the people of the USA it is under constitutional law above any other part in the land. It is to represent the people and the constitution. Do not throw away wisdom for the words of fools. The boarder Patrol work for the people, and the constitution, and are also under it.

          • Jacob

            I’m not saying the fact they believe themselves above the Constitution is right. Nor am I agreeing with the fact the District of Columbia considers themselves not part of the United States. I am simply stating the fact they made it law a long time ago, which has supported many of their Un-Constitutional laws they’ve passed supporting their Authoritarian views on the land they call the District of Columbia. Regardless of what you and I think is right, the fact is the majority of people support Washington DC without even knowing the simple facts. Perhaps this will bring attention to their injustices. Right now, however, the Constitution will not help Kokesh, unless the Supreme Court, which if the courts see Kokesh as having standing in the court of law, and if he is seen as having standing, this will most likely become a Supreme Court case, sees him as in his Constitutional right as an American to open carry in the District of Columbia he will be set free and effectively disintegrate the laws that establish the District of Columbia: making Washington DC a part of the United States. He could have effectively made an attack on the un-Constitutional laws by making himself a martyr through civil disobedience. We could see this as an act of attrition on the sovereignty of our current government or an example of the corruptness, when and if he is not given standing in the court of law to argue his Constitutional Rights.

          • Pat Poe

            Those laws only stand because those who know are to few, or called crack pot extremists, and those who do not care or understand lack the will to challenge it. Until you have Jury nullification, or the law is properly challenged in the supreme court, and the case is made, and won, the laws will stand. It is sad that the current powers that be want to link the word patriot to criminal.

          • Jacob

            They actually want to connect the word “patriotism” to support of the criminality and “patriot” to the description of supporting the lawful, which they can, by connecting the “patriot” to something illegal ipso facto making the thing they support illegal and bad as well.

      • Jacob

        Not saying I don’t agree with you.

    • Joseph Slabaugh

      Then what would you call the words of Obama, Jesse Jackson or any of the race baiters if speaking out against violators of our laws is called sedition?

      • jwclark

        Thank you Mr. Slabaugh for some clarity in a nutshell. JWC

  • Mark Raymond

    This is the same case that happened against a lifelong friend of mine in michigan. He was and still is a peaceful man. he was exercizing his rights as All AMERICANS should be doing. The feds raided him broke up his prominate business that was established 50 years. They did 4 raids on him and the last time. he was thrown in prison for 5 years because and i quote the federal judge. “You talk to much” Seeing these photos on here has brought back all the flood of anger and emotions that was and still is perpetrated on this good man. A friend of mine and a friend of our familys. Another thing you will experience in the near future if you havent already, is the disappearance of court proceedings.I.E. court transcripts, They will bury evidence and bring up old charges that may or may not have happened at all. Believe me folks this good man is in for a long ride of incarceration. They will try to break him mentally and spiritually. I didnt know about Adam Kokesh till this year. and he seems like the same caliber as my great friend is. So my advice futile as it may be is be strong dont, back down, And be ready with any help he may need. One of the best things that has kept our lifelong friend in good spirits is the support and contact of friends family and those in support of him. So keep standing by Mr Kokesh. They will throw everything imaginable against him. But whats been the straw thats breaking the camels back is the TRUTH. dont ever lower down to stating false info against the govt. keep the truth in the forefront. Evidence,evidence, evidence. Kepp it in the open as much as possible. somethings will be hard to attain but perserverence will get what your looking for.

  • rica77

    Eliminate the State, problem solved. The majority of us peacefully coexist on a daily basis. Why so many people want a minority elite to rule over them is beyond me. No one could possibly care about our best interests more than ourselves. The State is not a necessary evil. It is a fallacy, an illusion of safekeeping which merely enslaves the masses. The sooner we can open our minds and hearts to a world without the State, the better. I urge people to read anything by Lysander Spooner, Benjamin Tucker, Albert Jay Nock and other promoters of Anarchistic thought. It may surprise you how much sense these men made in their time and now. The possibility to make the world a better place for everyone is there, we are the people that can make it happen by evolving our own perspectives. It will just take time.

    • Marco Serpas

      Yes, Jorge Luis Borges also wrote about this subject- but it’s a utopian dream more than a possible reality.

      • rica77

        That is a typical and common response from many Statists. Comparing a surrealist writer (Borges) to the ones I mentioned is meaningless. As far as your “utopian dream” statement, I find that the people who believe a State has their best interests in mind to be the true Utopian dreamers because nothing could be further from the truth.

        • Marco Serpas

          Bro, have you even read Borges? A surrealist and much much more. Much of his surrealism was a critique of man and the world. Bro, again, have you even read Borges? I agree with your State statement there. Your comment is simply irrational; men created government as a means to rule ourselves and protect ourselves. Now, governments created institutions- there’s where a nation-state goes wrong.

          • rica77

            Borges writes fantasy and has absolutely nothing to do with the Anarchist Philosophers I mentioned. Whatever correlation between Borges and them you were trying to assert failed. As for your need for the State, fine – keep it. Please stop forcing it upon those of us who advocate for self governance and peaceful cooperation.

            P.S. Your adulation of Borges and his nonsense writings explains why you are such a blockhead. Peace.

          • Marco Serpas

            Obviously you are deaf to literature. So sad. Oh you advocate for self governance? Sounds like you are agreeing with me and that you want some form of government. Peace out, go read a book and it might be in your best interest to actually take a literature class or two.

    • Pat Poe

      You say that one problem with out a unified government other powers would see us a ripe pickings, and we would be invaded. The problem is not the government it is the abuse of the power they borrow.

      • rica77

        Congratulations! State propaganda works on you!

  • Jarrod Dowell

    Bust him out and then hook him up with Edward Snowden.

  • Chris

    What I dont understand is why He made a youtube video of him Loading a real gun on video… He could of said all of that without the gun and I’m sure none of that would of happened to him.. He should of thought about it better. It’s almost like he was asking for police to arrest him.

    • E.J. Burger

      The whole point was to test if we actually have a second amendment. The dc laws have already been ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS. He was asking for the police to arrest him… Its called civil disobedience.

      • Marco Serpas

        Your statements are so contradictory there EJ. You are pretty much saying he broke the law but didn’t break the law. I agree it’s civil disobedience. But inciting violence is not okay, period. This man didn’t ask people to march with him with guns out, he blatantly implied violence, government overthrow, and mayhem. I live close to the district, have friends an family there, and by no means do I want anyone harmed.

        • Angelo Manos

          “Inciting violence is not okay, period.” It’s not good to speak in absolutes. Evil prevails when the good do nothing. Evil has been prevailing for quite some time and man is entering a new period of enlightenment. You remember what happened last time right? I’ll give a hint, fresh baguettes, lots of violence, and lots of severed heads.

          • Marco Serpas

            So to do good we must turn violent? I am sure Ghandi might disagree with that notion- he succesfully led a peaceful revolution and used legislation to help his people. Have you ever been in the middle of a civil war? I’ll give you a hint- it’s not fun.

          • Angelo Manos

            “so to do good we must turn violent?” again, you’re speaking in absolutes. I definitely don’t think civil war would be “fun,” though I doubt your credibility as an arbiter on the subject. Anyway don’t worry, the american public is far too apathetic to delve into a civil war. Half the population probably doesn’t even know what civil means lol.

          • Marco Serpas

            That’s hypocritical considering “Evil prevails when the good do nothing” is as an absolute of statement as you may find. When the good use violence, the good become evil. In essence, an oxymoron of itself. Ever heard the phrase “you become what you hate?” Is that too abstract for you?

            Wow, please tell me more about my personal history and how I don’t know about civil war. Please, as you seem to be a qualified, omnipresent entity.

            The American public follows what is fed to them by the left or right. Both equal culprits in misguiding the masses. We went to civil war in the 19th century, what makes you think people are smarter now? We still go to war even though GW said in his farewell address urged to not get involved in foreign wars. People still accept bogus wars because it’s sold to them. Read “War is a Racket” by Smedley Darlington Butler and get a little educated. It’s a free pdf online.

          • Angelo Manos

            Alright bud. Have fun arguing with yourself.

          • Pat Poe

            We do not need a civil war, as we actually have legal proceedings to deal with the problem in place set out by the bill of rights, and the constitution. I for one did not agree with his call to arms. The legal proceedings set forth are not being followed by either side. What I foresee is someone trying to incite a civil war, and the government using that opportunity to strip all Americans of every freedom they do not agree with. Martial law sets the ground works for dictator ship. I see some of the actions and pushes to incite a large enough riot to institute martial law. At that point kiss your freedoms good by. If the civil war is lost we are in a world of trouble, but if it was won I do not feel the blood shed of the innocent is not made up for. The solution is to vote for representatives that will stand by the oath to office, and challenge those who seek to act unconstitutional laws.

          • Marco Serpas

            cool. i can see a government taking advantage of a revolt in that way. agreed there, no arguments. we gave up so many rights after a terrorist attack.

        • Glyn Sable

          I forget which founding father said that a man is obligated to disobey unjust laws?

          You seem to think that an overthrow of DC would purposefully harm civilians – why would they hurt their own? Did he point his weapon at anyone? Did he even fire a round? If a marine loads his rifle with one in the chamber is that inherently an act of violence or preparedness?

          You go ahead and be afraid of the big bad scary guns and never worry about the uneducated and paranoid leaders stripping them down to cap pistols.

          • Marco Serpas

            A Marine, as I am expert on the subject having served, is issued a weapon. We didn’t load our weapons in training every day and when we did it was a controlled environment. Why? Because our instructors were teaching us to respect weapons.

            If you forget which founding father said that a man doesn’t have to follow a law then you clearly need to revise your history.

            Have you ever been in the middle of war? Civilian casualties typically outnumber fallen combatants.

            Also, I don’t need guns to fight my battles. Again, please speak to me some more about how I am afraid of guns and how powerless I am without them. God, I am so powerless with guns how did I make it this far in life?

  • Devil Moma

    What exactly did he expect to happen? With the passage of NDAA, he knew from the beginning he was in a world of trouble if he got caught. He even knew the police were coming… If you want to beat the government you have to be smart not playing it stupid like Adam did. I wish I could feel sorry for him, but I don’t. You want to win you have to be better and smarter than them. Recording yourself loading a weapon in DC = stupid.

    • E.J. Burger

      So that means people should be scared and not do it? hahaha. Cower before your government slaves.

    • jwclark

      You miss the point. He expected it to happen. It had to happen because of what our government has become, a soft police state–though it is getting less soft by the day and Kokesh is like the medicine a doctor gives a patient to make or cause the disease to manifest itself. So, of course he expected it to happen. That was the point. Now more people know exactly how bad things have become. He is trying to wake people up. And you don’t do that by hiding and refusing to push against the problem a little. Why is this so hard to see Devil Moma? Isn’t it both obvious and necessary?

      • Marco Serpas

        Waking people up by breaking the law? That’s a great example for our kids. Let’s forget guys like MLK who changed MAJOR legislation peacefully. Let’s give way to violent people, who engage in criminal behavior, to lead us into bloodshed and further give gun owners a bad name. Why is this so hard to see JWClark?

        • Brian D Rea

          Rosa Parks woke people up by breaking the law….got a problem with her too?

          • Marco Serpas

            racial inequality and gun rights are two separate things. but good point in a way! She did so in a peaceful way. not by advocating violence. Thanks for proving my point. this guy advocated violence, harming people, destroying our own brothers. That is fratricide where I come from.

          • Pat Poe

            But the government is using the same tactic. Think about it. He did something they did not like now they hold him without trial in violation of due process. He is not getting an expedient trial. Many do not, and that is a problem in it’s self.

          • Brian D Rea

            I’m all for peaceful resistance; but if a brother tries to kill me and i defend myself with deadly force, is that fratricide?

  • Marco Serpas

    This is ridiculous- a political prisoner? Nelson Mandela would laugh at this idiot. First, he broke the law by loading a shotgun and then broke his first amendment rights by providing a basis for “clear and present danger.”

    Peter Cooper, his lawyer, probably left the case because he knows his buddy is wrong and doesn’t want to get involved in a ridiculous defense trial. “The feds got to him” statement is mere speculation.

    Wow, poor guy gets treated the same way as any other criminal in DC. But he can whine about it and make his case for being a “political prisoner?” We should’ve allowed John Lee Malvo to the same I suppose!

    • E.J. Burger

      The law he broke is unconstitutional nerd, also being ruled down by the SCOTUS in a case. And not getting bail for a victimless crime are you a serious person in America? I am actually kind of ashamed. Innocent until proven guilty not innocent until arrested.

      • Marco Serpas

        That’s funny, you are saying he committed a “victimless crime.” So, in other words, you agree he committed a crime.

        What is this about the SCOTUS case? Citation? Link? Outcome? You mentioned it is “being ruled down.” So it is ruled down or is that just speculation?

        • mike

          Marbury v Madison ruling. Any law repugnant to the Constitution of the United States is NULL AND VOID. You’re just a brainwashed retard who wants to be absolutely raped by the system… and WE ALL WILL BE.

          • Marco Serpas

            Okay, let’s do some thinking AND TALK IN CAPS TOO. Mike, thanks for MEDDLING into a none of your business conversation. Let me give you some facts: Kokesh’ home was raided in Herndon, VA (which the articles fails to mention). He loaded the shotgun, incited violence and blatantly mentioned government overthrow.

            Thank you for bringing up Marbury v Madison. You are right, the government cannot infringe on your right to bear arms, but it can regulate where you carry that weapon and how. It can also regulate whether that weapon can be loaded or not. The reason we need concealed weapon permits in some states (many traditional, conservative states such as Virginia which just expanded it’s gun rights).

            Again, I suggest you do your research before posting or calling someone brainwashed. As it seems you have just been BESTED in your own argument. Tard.

            http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-07-10/local/40478022_1_search-warrant-flash-grenade-roommates

          • Glyn Sable

            I keep watching you miss the point… why can the government infringe on where and when you can bear your firearm? Other than an arbitrary ruling that violates the constitution, why is this ability to regulate allowed and thought acceptable by many?

          • Marco Serpas

            Riddle me this Glyn- So do you want felons carrying weapons? How about the mentally ill? Ever heard of Virginia Tech and Cho? I lived in Southwest VA, mass murder isn’t pretty.

            Again, the ruling is law. The man is not a political prisoner. If you believe he is a political prisoner then so is every thug out there carrying an unlicensed handgun.

            That is the point here. I don’t think conservative Judge Scalia would like you saying it violates the constitution. you can carry the weapon, the governments give you that right.

          • Will Dean

            “you can carry the weapon, the governments give you that right.”

            They do? I’m not sure if you fully understand. It’s a natural right to protect and defend oneself that is bestowed upon us by God, not man. Men bestow legal rights.

          • Marco Serpas

            I don’t think you fully understand. Defense is a natural right. Carrying an artificial means to defend yourself is a right as well, which is why we have it in the Constitution. If the government is us, the People, then we give ourselves that natural right. Hence, the governments give you that right- we vote in the government. Get it?

          • rtapia

            Rights are not granted by government. People are born with them and live with them long before government is ever forced upon people. You making the claim that we only get them once government says so is absurd.

          • Marco Serpas

            We the people are the government We are declaring our rights in the Constitution. Is that clear? Yes, we are naturally born with them. The Constitution is an assertion. makes sense?

          • g.johnon

            the last vestiges of the idea that we the people are the government died in 1913. we have been overthrown by multinat corporations and banksters. and that is what this whole freeking thread is about.
            try to get up to speed marco.

          • Marco Serpas

            that is not what this thread is about at all- bro, do you even read?

            I agree with multinationals and banks. but that is not what this topic is about- at all-

          • g.johnon

            well then, just who, exactly, do you think that adam is revolting against?
            I read a lot.

          • Marco Serpas

            According to Adam is he revolting against the government. It seems to me he also does not understand that simple lobbying for legislation, which gun manufacturers do (ha, bringing in some of that corporate knowledge right?) on a fairly regular basis, is how we change gun laws.

            Loading guns and advocating full out 2nd amendment rights scares some people. Not all are educated gun owners. Take for example the mass shootings in the US- many of them had no respect for the power of guns.

            Again, it’s not the government who stops you from carrying weapons but your neighbors who do not agree with a full out 2nd amendment. Restrictions are placed by your state government. The SCOTUS case mentions that the decision does not serve as a guideline for restrictions. So go ahead and read that link I posted to the decision so you can get educated.

          • bill1978

            Don’t bother. He’s a grade B troll, or he’s typing faster than he can think. Either way, he’s missing points left and right, and whenever someone challenges him he changes the subject. Also, he said, “Bro” repeatedly, which gives him the intellectual credibility of a tortilla.

          • Marco Serpas

            Good job Bill- you contributed nothing to this conversation. Troll on, bro. Troll on…

          • Pat Poe

            Okay you actually think similar to me on this fact. To clarify for those who miss it: The government is the people. We are the government. The institution we call government holds our power in trust. When they violate that trust, and misuse that power it is our responsibility to vote anew representative into office who will not violate the trust of power.

            This now brings us to the current problem. To many people vote for a party and an idea, and do not look to weather that person will hold the power we loan them in trust. When this happens, and instead of replacing them with someone who will hold our power with respect and not abuse it, those who voted that person back in is failing.

            I did not vote them in, others did, but I still have the rights, they cannot take them away. They think they can though. They do not understand the position they are in, and excuse so many people in the past have blindly elected a party, instead of looking at who they were voting for they caused the trouble.

            I could be wrong, but I think he is just not explaining his point in a way many can understand. It is not because anyone is stupid. It is because even though we have similar ideas we have a different way of looking at it.

          • g.johnon

            felons will carry weapons and not give a rats ass about the legalities. no law will erase that fact.
            when their potential victims have sharp teeth, politeness is more likely to rule the day.
            infringing the right to defend only protects criminals.

          • Marco Serpas

            the law states you can have a weapon to defend yourself. It’s your neighbors and others who are afraid of guns who believe in restrictions. mainly because extremists like Kokesh scare them.

          • Marco Serpas

            You’re a moron- learn your law-

            http://www.loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment.php

            The Court stated that the right to keep and bear arms is subject to regulation, such as concealed weapons prohibitions, limits on the rights of felons and the mentally ill, laws forbidding the carrying of weapons in certain locations, laws imposing conditions on commercial sales, and prohibitions on the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. It stated that this was not an exhaustive list of the regulatory measures that would be presumptively permissible under the Second Amendment.

        • Glyn Sable

          can you have a crime without a victim? Can you victimize yourself and be prosecuted for it? Isn’t that what the 5th amendment is all about? Protecting you from being your own victim is your right, not an enforceable moral code.

        • Richard Alan Solar

          A crime without a victim really isn’t a crime at all if you ask me.

          • Marco Serpas

            I respect that POV. The problem here is that the law makes it criminal and people keep missing that point.

          • Jackson445

            And the Nazi’s had laws that made everything they did legal too.
            You’re missing the point that the the government can’t make illegal laws no matter how much other branches (SCOTUS) of the government agree.

          • Marco Serpas

            you’re missing the point that it’s not SCOTUS that makes it llegal. Bro, did you even read the link I posted? It’s your state government that makes it illegal- so legislation has to change there not SCOTUS or the Federal Government. Also, realize that most restrictions are placed by majority decisions your state makes. DUh.

          • Pat Poe

            That is the way to explain your point of view. That is the way others feel, but that should have been what you led your argument with. We do not give up our rights by following unconstitutional Laws. People do not violate the laws to avoid the punishment. They are being forced to choosing to be punished for following the law or getting a worse punishment for not following the law. Most people will not break a law to prove it is not a law. Violating the :law” to prove it invalid dose not warrant the violation in the due process. In actuality if you have not committed a crime it is unconstitutional for them to hold you 24 hours. They cannot even detain you, but until it is successfully challenged it will keep happening.

      • Marco Serpas

        you’re a moron- learn your law-

        the Court stated that the right to keep and bear arms is subject to regulation, such as concealed weapons prohibitions, limits on the rights of felons and the mentally ill, laws forbidding the carrying of weapons in certain locations, laws imposing conditions on commercial sales, and prohibitions on the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. It stated that this was not an exhaustive list of the regulatory measures that would be presumptively permissible under the Second Amendment.

        http://www.loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment.php

        • Glyn Sable

          so if the supreme court says it is ok to own slaves again, you’d be cool with that? As long as the supreme courts says so the constitution can just be disregarded?

          • Marco Serpas

            No, because that ruling would not happen. But I guess you are okay with the following people carrying weapons:

            Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Adam Lanza, Seung Cho, and James Holmes.

            Right? or should they be restricted?

          • MVTHEW

            Everyone stop feeding the troll.

          • Marco Serpas

            your moms a troll!

          • jwclark

            Yes, a Troll or a moron. What part of “shall not be infringed” is it so difficult for him (and the courts) to understand? JWC

          • Marco Serpas

            Bro, does your crusty, dusty old man butt even know what Troll means in today’s internet language?

            JWClark, I understand you grew up during the time of the Revolution. A lot of things have changed since that time period. For example, the rise of a capitalism, industrialization, etc etc. Even slavery was abolished. Again, the courts nor I “infringe” on your right to bear arms. We understand you want to bear arms. But YOUR state government has thought to regulate it because a majority of people believe certain people or certain ways to carry weapons is not okay. OMGZORS DID WE JUST BECOME BFFS ROFL!! If you need to look those terms up, you can go to urban dictionary, old man.

            I understand infringement quite well. I also understand respecting the law and changing legislation.

          • E.J. Burger

            Respecting bad law is a joke.

          • Marco Serpas

            Hey man I agree- but two wrongs don’t make a right. If you follow that train of thought, anyone who thinks a law is a joke (take in example murder) can then feel justified to violate it. “Bad law” and “good law” are both subjective terms.

            I think other laws are bad: tax law, motor vehicle law, etc- but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to pay my taxes or start speeding at insane speeds. It means I need to organize, lobby, and peacefully do so.

            Personally I hope that this country first gets gun education in schools, second is able to fight to reduce restrictions on gun ownership, and third can recognize most gun owners are law abiding. We won’t get to that point if we have extremists like Kokesh scaring people in their homes though.

          • Pat Poe

            Education is what I also would like to see. While I as a law abiding citizen will speak out against an unconstitutional and therefor illegal law. I will not violate it, but let me get on a jury that must rule on the law and criminal. I will push to have it rules unconstitutional. Laws can be made, and enforced that are constitutional. It is a thin line, but it is visible.

          • Guest

            No because the SCOTUS would never say that, we kind of have an amendment that say they can’t.

          • Draken

            Last I checked slavery was prohibited via the Constitution. So I don’t know about you, but yes I would take issue with that.

            As for firearms and “shall not be infringed” the Second Amendment also says “[a] well regulated Militia.” As historically the Militia was a State organization, this could lead people to believe that only States could have guns. Now the SCOTUS disagrees, and has held that firearms are an individual right, not just a state right.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/washington/27scotuscnd.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

            That aside, your argument about “shall not be infringed” is also moot, as the amendment is clear about ownership, but not regulations. Regulations that try to limit ownership are often struck down – see link. That said, the Constitution is silent on the limits of regulation. In times of ambiguity the Constitution is often left to Judges, and the Supreme Court in particular.

            For right now the SCOTUS says that some regs are okay, others are not. That is where is stands currently, but as we are a common law nation that may change.

          • Marco Serpas

            you rock!

          • Pat Poe

            Now that argument I agree with. I did not say he should not see trial, but that his due process has been violated. If he succeeds in winning his case and the Jury understands the power they have they can chose to strike down the restrictions, and rule them unconstitutional. The JURY has the power to judge the law against the constitution, and if found in violation rule it as such.

          • Guest

            Yes, absolutely. I think much of gun legislation can be changed if we educate our population. I too believe his due process should not have been violated. Unfortunately, because of the Patriot Act, he falls into a very grey area. That needs to change too. We are creating criminals and then not giving those “criminals” a justice to prove themselves innocent.

        • g.johnon

          since regulation is defacto infringement, the supremes once again violated their oath to uphold and protect theconstitution from enemies foreign and domestic. aka treason (yet again)

        • Pat Poe

          You are still ignoring that they are violating the due process law that trumps your flawed logic. DUE PROCESS arraignment is not trial. They also did not follow proper protocol in regards to the warrant. The warrant is also improperly changed. By legal standings you must be able to read anything that is crossed out. One thin line with the initials of the person who changed it. AGAIN VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS, do you know what that is?

  • https://twitter.com/JordanDJohnson Jordan

    Gestapo.

  • Jose Almodovar

    Adam understands the need to make a statement. If he was a clear and present danger, he would have done his dangerous business a LONG time ago. These days you have to grab people’s attention and keep them interested. Adam is interesting and at least we are now talking about this. In many free parts of the country you can load a shotgun in public and your neighbor will simply ask if they can come to the range with you.
    We are too busy treating each other like potential maniacs to realize what is happening. Think of all those times you’ve heard of a rape, murder, assault, child abuse, etc. How many of those men went free, made bail, or received light punishment? All of it while receiving a trial.

    Even if you hate Adam, he is an American and deserves trial. This is bullshit. To speak of his “law breaking” and not hold your own Government accountable for them is ludicrous.
    “How could you die for the throne when you don’t even have the f**king heart to do for your own?” -IT

  • John

    To make everything perfect, Adam should have had a live skype interview with a friend. Then they could post everything including the raid.

  • dd

    Free adam

  • Susan Donaldson
  • Marco Serpas

    Get your facts straight people, don’t be sheep! First, to all you DC haters, this man was not arrested in Washington DC. He was arrested in Herndon, VA. A convenient piece of information left out by the “journalist.” See link at the end of my post.

    Second, the 2nd Amendments gives us rights to carry weapons. No one can deny you of that right, but the state may regulate where you carry it (some states just allows guns in bars), how (concealed permits anyone?) you carry it, and whether or not it can be loaded.

    feel bad he has taken this path, with so much good energy, to show his civil disobedience. The DC metro area is my home and by no means do I want to see a gun battle between brothers. Kokesh allegedly legally carried the weapon from VA to DC, so no rules were broken. However, inciting violence with a loaded firearm in a place that restricts loaded firearms is another matter. This regulation is legal!

    There are tons of people posting here who are uninformed about the latest decisions of the Supreme Court regarding gun laws. Let me help you out:

    “The Court stated that the right to keep and bear arms is subject to regulation, such as concealed weapons prohibitions, limits on the rights of felons and the mentally ill, laws forbidding the carrying of weapons in certain locations, laws imposing conditions on commercial sales, and prohibitions on the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. It stated that this was not an exhaustive list of the regulatory measures that would be presumptively permissible under the Second Amendment.”

    http://www.loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment.php

    Also here is the better article on Kokesh:

    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-07-10/local/40478022_1_search-warrant-flash-grenade-roommates:

    • Glyn Sable

      Does the phrase “shall not be infringed” need to be translated into a foreign language for you to comprehend it? Gun free zones are anti-constitutional and always have been – someone just finally started to speak out about them – but you take your precedent and cuddle up with it and hope it keeps the statism at bay.

      • Marco Serpas

        Does “Supreme Court decision”need to be translated so you can comprehend it? The majority judge, Scalia, is a conservative who handed down this decision. Yes, people are fighting such laws. Again, it’s not about breaking the law- it’s about fighting through legislative measures to change the situation. IT IS NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT that regulates you (as you imply), it is up to the STATE GOVERNMENT. So go bark up that tree.

        So I shouldn’t take precedent when it comes to the law? So when someone murders you, the judge shouldn’t look at the precedent for murder? That’s cute, I hope you don’t have children learning from you.

        Do you need any of that translated?

        • r3VOLution IS NOT republican

          FCK PRECEDENT! Precedent IS NOT LAW!!!!!!!!!

          The 2nd Amendment is CLEAR ENOUGH FOR A CHILD TO UNDERSTAND! And NO STATE CAN NULLIFY THE BILL OF RIGHTS!

          Shall. NOT. BE. INFRINGED!

          Kokesh IS A POLITICAL PRISONER WHO HAS MORE BALLS THAN 95% of us in the Liberty Movement!

          • Marco Serpas

            Oh word? So now felons can carry weapons? Mentally ill can carry weapons, too, right? I can carry a bazooka down the street, right?

            Your right to carry a weapon is not infringed if you can carry said weapon without ammunition.

            IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU AS A CHILD TO UNDERSTAND?

            Wait, let me communicate with you at your level….ISTH THAT CLEAR ENOUFF FOR U ATH A CHILD TO UNDERSTHAN DRRRRRRRRR

            Precedent is not law? It’s not law, it’s a guideline ruling about a law. Do you even know what you are talking about?

            What liberty movement? You are so unfree right now…

          • Will Dean

            “What liberty movement? You are so unfree right now…”

            Isn’t that the point Adam is trying to get across?

          • Marco Serpas

            That we aren’t free? Hey man I don’t care about guns. Doesn’t make more any more or less free if I don’t have them. Played with guns, rifles, machine guns, grenades, etc. Been there done that.

          • rls0054

            I wonder if you’d feel that way in, say a situation similar to the one Captain Phillips had when his huge cargo ship was boarded by 4 (yes, a measly 4) Somalian pirates who were armed, but under terms of law, Phillips and his crew were not. They were just lame, sitting ducks. Watch the movie and tell us how free those men on that cargo ship were with nothing to protect themselves except some water hoses…I think you’d care a great deal about your right to have guns in that scenario!!

          • Marco Serpas

            It sounds like Captain Phillips failed to take security measures, such as having security on board, when heading into a volatile region. This argument is invalid as it does not occur on American soil and we are talking abot laws on American soil. By the way, the government came to their rescue..

          • rls0054

            Security measures were standardized, but it only takes 4 armed pirates to commandeer a large unarmed ship. My point was simple, to get you to rethink or recant of the statement you made about the fact that you could care less about guns and that they don’t make you more or less free…obviously I failed to make the point and you failed to get it. As far as government coming to the rescue just ask how that worked out in WWII or in countless other instances where unarmed citizens died at the hands of a hostile government…ah, but you say, this is America. Yes it is, and it’s the very nation that the Founder’s knew the following applied…absolute power corrupts absolutely….

          • Marco Serpas

            You failed to make a proper analogy is what should be saying. Pirates in Somalia, over international waters, and gun legislation in the US are two separate things. How is this scenario suppose to make me recant? Recanting? what are we in the Middle Ages? Your analogy is invalid and at best amateur. What’s laughable is the US government in this case helped him come out in one piece.

          • Pat Poe

            His analogy is valid if explained the wrong way. The point is the precepts in the constitution is universal, and the international laws were set fourth by people who would like to be dictators not for safety, not for anything but power. His point is the restrictions were the problem, not the people who were forced to follow the laws. I advocate the right to chose, something by your statements you would like to take away my right to chose weather or not I would like to practice my second amendment rights. They are not toys, those who think they are need to learn the difference. Those who think owning a firearm is for people who are wimps are also wrong. Walk up to chuck Norris and say that. He will not kick you he will politely inform you you are incorrect. You bring up Socrates go back further. The code of Hammurabi Has had just as large of an effect if not larger than Socrates. In psychology an irrational fear of an inanimate object is actually a disease. You also fear that others are as bad as what you see in yourself. Proper education would alleviate some of the foolishness. Proper treatment for the mentally ill, and proper rehabilitation for those who can be helped get out of the criminal life. The only thing our current criminal system is good for is making better criminals. The only thing laws that restrict those who are responsible succeed in doing is harming the innocent. It is not the average citizen you should be worried about weather or not they are armed. You should be more worried about those who would seek to strip you of the right to chose, or to say no to the government. Read history, disaster follows the disarmament of a lawful populace. If people would focus on treating the disease the symptoms would go away. In stead they blame the tool used not the person. They blame home life instead of admitting the criminal chose to commit the crime. Once you blame the one who committed the the acts you then look at why. Once you find the why you fond a why to change the why if possible. You do not go to the criminals neighbors if they committed the crime and punish them. You do not tell the person who has to defend against the criminal he is going to be punished even though he/she is innocent. You deal with the criminal. You do not assume that just because a law was put in place anyone gave up the rights they had. That law that seeks to assault the freedoms you take for granted is at fault it is an act of TYRRANY.

          • Pat Poe

            TYRANNY

          • Richard

            Well put…

          • Marco Serpas

            “Read history, disaster follows the disarmament of a lawful populace.” This is incorrect, as Costa Rica has been neutral and disarmed for some time. The Amish have lived peacefully in the United States without any harm to their culture.

            Again, the analogy is invalid as it did not occur on American soil. Cpt. Phillips could’ve chosen armed security escorts or armed himself. He did not. Nothing in maritime law prohibits those two.

          • Pat Poe

            Nazi Germany, Australia, UK. Violence followed. Historical Facts. While gun owned by the populace vanished in Australia Criminal confiscation has not decreased. Citizens were killed by the government in the enactment of those laws, those who were not criminals until the disarmament laws. While they claim crime is down in the UK it is not home invasions are on the rise. Doors are kicked in while people are home, and they are beaten, an some are raped. The criminals do what they want. Murder rates are about double what the report in Britannia. Unsolved cases are not considered murder. Only about half the crimes reported are documented or investigated. Those you hold as an example, the Amish, are not the criminal element. They chose the life they live, but they are not without violence or crime in their culture. The rest of the world live no were near the way the Amish do.
            http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/costa-rica

            They do privately own in that country. Mexico total civilian ban on firearms, one of the highest rates with fire arms. They also have a higher murder rate. The violence is not the tool it is the person wielding the tool. Tho only way a ban would ever work would be if they actually found away to put us technologically back to before the invention of gun powder. Even then criminals would just use another tool. Banning them will not treat the illness, and dose not stop the violence. It is about the moral education of the Amish not the choice to be peaceful.
            http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-guns/
            They do own firearms by the way.

          • Marco Serpas

            I will first state I don’t advocate for a state ban on hand guns. Pat, thank you for bringing in some good info. Yes, in the UK a gun ban did not help much but statistically it doesn’t look it made it worse (I used your source). In Japan a gun ban has been enacted and it has the least handgun deaths per 100,000. Compare that to the US (using your source).So now you have mentioned Mexico, which is undergoing a drug war, that doesn’t compare well with the former two countries analyzed.

            Correct, Costa Ricans own guns. Amish own guns. But that doesn’t make them any more or less free- see the Amish use their weapons to hunt. Not for self-defense. However, we mean to think that weapons must be used for violence or to deter violent behavior. As you mentioned, people will kill people with or without guns. As you can see the Amish practice nonresistance. The Costa Ricans have no military. Neither of these people have been attacked. Both are free of captors and invaders.

            Do other natural rights need objects to validate/defend their existence? Because you are getting to that point when saying only through guns can we be free- when that is not the case-

          • Pat Poe

            My point is not that the path is through guns, but as a last resort in defense, against tyranny. A ban on rights is never except able even if it is made in the claim of “making you safer” Education, and knowledge is what will help change minds to a path of peaceful resolution. The ability to be self sufficient will help slow other problems in society. I would like a real solution that actually deals with the problem rather than a blanket punishment or blanket restriction of freedoms. A proper approach is not a ban it is education, example setting, and actually treating the problem.

          • Marco Serpas

            Captain Phillips didn’t have a weapon. Is he free now?

          • Pat Poe

            Captain Philips did not, but he would not have been held prisoner had he had the ability to protect himself, and a man with a gun saved him.

          • rls0054

            Marco, it was simply an *example* that showed that not caring about guns, and believing that they don’t make you more or less free (your statement) is ludicrous on its face. I didn’t think the thought was all that complex but you, for the sake of *winning* some stupid argument, keep trying to turn it into something it’s not so that you don’t have to show some humility and just admit that what you said isn’t true…and now I leave you to chase your own tail!!

          • Marco Serpas

            Let me challenge to think critically:

            “believing that they don’t make you more or less free (your statement) is ludicrous on its face.”

            when you are born, are you born with a gun? Does being born without one make your birth any less free? Does being born with one make you more free? Are the Amish less free because they do not use guns against others? Are the Costa Ricans invaded because they have no military? How is my statement not true?

            Again, a terrible example. Caring about guns on American soil and on a boat near Somalia are two distinct situations with distinct sets of laws.

          • r3VOLution IS NOT republican

            Per the Constitution, felons can keep and bear arms, the mentally ill can keep and bear arms and I CAN STRUT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN TOTING WHATEVER THE GOVERNMENT CAN STRUT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN WITH. Balance of power, baby.

            Any other “questions?”

          • Marco Serpas

            Plenty, how much medication do you take? Do you currently walk around with drones hovering, tanks rolling, and heavy artillery? Are you ‘Lord of War’? When did you drop out of HS?

          • r3VOLution IS NOT republican

            When Alinsky comes out… you’re losing the debate.

            I’m assuming you believe it’s a problem for me to “walk around with drones hovering, tanks rolling, and heavy artillery,” right? So… do you believe it’s a problem when the government does it?

            Why not?

          • Marco Serpas

            Oh wow, I didn’t know we were monitoring this debate in terms of wins or loses. By your “why not?” comment you are making a assumption. Which leads me to believe your POV is blinded by bias and not by truth. Well on…

            I do believe it is a problem when government flies drones. The drone campaign is a terrorist generating campaign, not a terrorist annihilation campaign. I also would believe the same thing if a private citizen owned drones. Hence my Lord of War reference. Tanks, sure if you can afford one, give it maintenance, and justify it for self defense I guess you could. Heavy artillery, not sure you understand the depth of that type of equipment.

            So, I noticed you left out the response to how much medication you take and when you dropped out of HS…

          • Draken

            “Socratic Method?” You had to go there didn’t you? The fact that you know what this is tells me quite about about either yourself or the company that you keep. Combined with the arguments that you have put forth on this issue leads to to believe that it was you who suffered the wrath of the Socratic Method.

          • Marco Serpas

            what?

          • Draken

            Where the Socratic Method approach is widely used in science and math classes, the term “Socratic Method” is not one that you typically hear. Given some of the legal theory that you have argued, and the fact that you know what the Socratic Method is tells me that you have taken more then just a simple civics class in college. I would dare say that you are either a political science major, or a JD – but I could be wrong.

            All I trying to say that as a victim of the Socratic method myself, I empathize with anyone who suffered its wrath. Even if it is a valid tool for learning, it is not always a pleasant experience for the student.

          • Marco Serpas

            I am a double major. History major was my favorite though. My philosophy teacher was a consultant to the King of Jordan- he taught me the Socratic Method. Thank you for the compliments.

          • Pat Poe

            Your argument is a little flawed, as you assume the 2nd amendment is only about self defense. It is also for the defense of a Tyrannical Government. Let me clarify it is a measure of last defense after ALL other legal forms of actions to stop the tyranny has failed. Yes it is also for self defense, but that is not the majority of what it was for. It also has nothing to do with muskets. To long have the people who supported the second amendment have “compromised” to appease an uninformed crowd of sheep, and fools. While the second amendment dose intact protect the riffraff, and ill to have these rights as well, all who chose to carry should realize the whole of the responsibility the chose. This article is still about his 14th amendment being violated for a political statement. That fact alone makes him a political prisoner. I say again educate yourself on the meaning of the constitution in its entirety. If you do, and you understand it, you will then understand what I am saying. Someone who has in their possession a firearm dose not constitute illegal treatment. The supreme court ruling was an a attempt at a compromise. The branches of the government if they followed the guidelines set forth by the constitution, and bill of rights, this article might not have been written. As they have failed to follow the oath they took, and the job they were elected to do they must now be replaced, by the proper processes set forth by the constitution. That will only happen if people will wake up, and stop taking for granted the constitution.

          • Marco Serpas

            I think you are agreeing that the 2nd amendment is for self-defense. If you have a tyrannical government, you are going to exercise self-defense…

            I disagree he is a political prisoner. He has violated his 1st amendment right by giving “clear and present danger” to the authorities. Protest is lawful under US law as long as it is peaceful. Can’t say he is a political prisoner when he has violated the law and urged people to do violence on his behalf. Do I think the government wanted to prosecute him? Yes, he slipped and they got him. If this man had peacefully protested and was imprisoned, I’d say he is a political prisoner. Otherwise, he’s just another young an who made a terrible mistake and followed a dark path.

            It’s not that he had in his possession a firearm (that is legal in DC). It’s that he loaded the weapon in public. The people of DC have legalized a restriction on it. Do you now how bad DC was before gentrification? Some people are still scared of guns, so scared this is how they deal with it.

            I have studied the constitution in depth. I can tell you two things: great blueprint for the 19th century, but hard to apply to the 20th. I think he should have been given due process- but, people, particularly the right-wing, gave those rights up when they elected politicians who drafted, voted, and executed the Patriot Act.

          • chris katko
          • Pat Poe

            Your rand is about the second amendment. This article is about the VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS. Look it up it is another amendment. I believe it is the 14th, and the right o due process.

          • Marco Serpas

            Pat, the American people gave up those rights when we allowed Junior (GWB) to enact the Patriot Act and other laws. Republican support for the PA was overwhelming and still is among many conservatives. We traded our rights to be “more secure” but we know that was BS. I bet you feel bad for Kokesh, but you don’t feel bad for terrorists. Kokesh by loading a firearm and violating his first amendment rights can now be subject to the laws conservatives put in congress years ago. Kokesh is being treated as an extremist. I agree that due process is important here. There are some organizations trying to help:

            https://www.aclu.org/reform-patriot-act

          • Pat Poe

            Politicians decided to violate the oath, and allow it to pass. People have been speaking out Against it, and wanting it over turned. I never gave up my rights, and neither did millions of others. It was the Oh it will never happen crowd that are the fools. He has the right to due process, and that has not happened. I did not say he should not be held to trial. He should be afforded the rights no one gave up, and no one can take away. Those trying to take them away are committing acts of treason by the law. Many people have been told that same false information you are spouting. Stop it It is not accurate. I say everyone of the ones in office not keeping to the oath of the office needs to be voted out. The elections are coming up. It is not the system that has strayed it is those that were elected to the office they are not worthy of holding.

          • chris katko
        • Richie

          Marco you need to get off the Kool-Aide and the Supreme Court. I must assume you know your Supreme Sourt Decisions since you seem to be in the know. Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857), was a landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court held that African Americans, whether slave or free, could not be American citizens and therefore had no standing to sue in federal court, and that the federal government had no power to regulate slavery in the federal territories acquired after the creation of the United States. Dred Scott, an African American slave who had been taken by his owners to free states and territories, attempted to sue for his freedom. In a 7–2 decision written by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, the Court denied Scott’s request and in doing so, ruled an Act of Congress to be unconstitutional for the second time in its history.

          Although Taney hoped that his ruling would settle the slavery question once and for all, the decision immediately spurred wide public debate. Most scholars and many contemporary political figures (including the leadership of the then-new Republican Party) considered that the ruling regarding slavery in the territories to not be binding precedent, but instead mere dictum. The decision would prove to be an indirect catalyst for the American Civil War and was functionally superseded by the post-war Reconstruction Amendments. It is now widely regarded as the worst decision ever made by the Supreme Court.

          This is shown through out history and I wish people like you would stop thinking that the Supreme Court is the last and final word once a law is in place. People are just doing their civil disobedient to unjust laws like the ones in DC and other places that try and regulate the 2nd amendment or the Constitution. This country was founded in revolution.

          The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and it needs to have in constitutional amendment to change any part of it. You can’t just write a law to regulate the Constitution. Unjust laws are believed to be law because of political ideology you think you have in the constitution. Get some balls and think outside the box and not be a follower.

          I’m with Glyn and the Constitution… what do you not understand “shall not infringed” means?

          I know you know the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution embodies the general principles of
          Federalism in a REPUBLICAN form of government not democracy. The Constitution specifies the parameters of authority that may be exercised by the three
          branches of the federal government: executive, legislative, and judicial. The Tenth Amendment reserves to the states all powers that are not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, except for those powers that states are constitutionally forbidden from exercising. That is the Constitution…

          Article I section 8 list all powers granted to the federal government by the Constitution. It is far and few.

          Its people like you that will do anything that the government say so it is you that is the sheep.

          The sad thing is that you seem like an intelligent man, but just having intelligence doesn’t give you common sense.

          • chris katko
          • Marco Serpas

            Riche. Thank you for your post. As I have posted here before- I understand what “infringe” means. What you seem to not understand is what “fear” means. The courts, as you see the decision, mention that restrictions may be placed by the state. Ah, yes, infringements. But those infringements are there because there are some people who do not agree that the right to bear arms literally translates to an open show and carry. As you have seen mass murder shootings in the US have left a sour taste for many regarding guns-

            So what does this means? It’s not the courts, it’s not the governments who are limiting you from literal interpretation of the constitutions. It is your friends and neighbors who disagree with your POV. We live in a democracy, majority rules are majority rules.

            I appreciate you bringing in historical knowledge about precious SCOTUS decisions. They have been in bad in the past. That didn’t mean, for people like MLK, that we ought to cause disruptive violence to change legislation. The Civil Rights Movement proved one thing- that civil rights can be achieved through peaceful means. Why can’t gun rights if it is our civil right?

            Sir, I understand you may be thinking I am pro-government. But, you do not know me. I am pro-peace and anti-fratricide in this case. That doesn’t make me pro-government.

            Pleasure is mine.

      • chris katko
  • DMChoreographer

    I have no empathy for his arrogance. He is wrong for how he did what he did. Oathkeepers warned him this would happen.

    • rtapia

      The problem is not that he was arrested. The problem is how the government is handling it. They have not followed due process of the law at all. So for their part the government is acting just as criminally as kokesh, even more so. kokesh did not imprison anyone.

      • DMChoreographer

        Kokesh is a moron, he acted foolishly. I’ve seen too many of his videos. You won’t convince me otherwise. Oathkeepers told him to stand down, he did not listen. End of story.

        • rtapia

          You can be mad at Kokesh all you want. The fact that our federal Government is acting in a criminal manner against one of it’s citizens is still a valid reason to be upset with our government for this behavior.

          • Keg

            The NDAA gives the government the power to hold Kokesh as long as they please.

          • rtapia

            How does national defense apply to peaceful Civil disobedience?

          • Keg

            I am not arguing that it does. I am just stating that the NDAA gives them (the Feds) the power to hold Kokesh as long as they please, they do not have to state a reason or lay charges against him. I believe the NDAA powers is one of the authoritarian measures that Kokesh was fighting in the first place.

            The US government has declared that the continental US is a “war-zone”, and that you, the citizen; is the enemy. This is all spelled out in the NDAA, which was re-signed by BHO awhile ago. So, if this is surprising to anyone, you have not been paying attention.

          • Pat Poe

            That declaration is an act of treason learn the law do not defend when the Feds violate it, and try to convent the law. The NDAA is a violation of the Law and void by that fact. They have not openly stated the constitution is a war zone, as they would be violating the law. They are trying to ignore the law and get people to believe they are in the right, but they are violating the law.

          • Keg

            I agree, the NDAA is Un-Constitutional. However, no one is touching it, by that I mean no one has taken it to court yet. And, you keep getting the Constitution and the Law confused, these are not the same thing. The Constitution is a guideline for the government as to what kinds of laws the government can implement.

            So, the NDAA is not a violation of the law, it is the law. The violation comes when you put the NDAA next to the Constitution. The Constitution is not law, it is a list of negative liberties that the government cannot make laws to restrict.

          • rtapia

            Article Six of the United States Constitution establishes the laws and treaties of the United States made in accordance with it as the supreme law of the land

            This statement declares that the constitution is more than “guidelines”, it is the supreme law of the land. Farther in the article it also remakes the claim that the constitution and laws made will be the supreme law of the land.

            “in accordance with it”

            Seems clear that if it does not abide by the constitution it can not be a law.

            Just my thoughts, I am not really a constitutionalist as I do not think it sufficiently restrains our federal government. I would have sided with Robert Yates and the anti-federalists.

          • Keg

            I agree with you, however; I see the Constitution as a charter of Negative Liberties. As in, the Government is not allowed to make laws that infringe upon these rights accorded to the citizens in the Bill of Rights et al. The Constitution is obviously law. However, these laws are not meant for the citizenry to follow, these laws are for the government to follow.

            Semantics. I think we agree on this matter though; the Government is certainly violating Kokesh’s rights.

          • Pat Poe

            You would be incorrect, or more so only half correct. It is supreme Law, and a charter, it is both. If you look at it any other way you give those who would look to subjugate you wiggle room. They would twist it and say it was irrelevant in today’s society, but it is more relevant than they are. No law that contradicts the constitution can be enforced as law legally in the United states as set forth in that very document. It is the supreme law that will remain relevant long beyond any of us.

          • Keg

            “No law that contradicts the constitution can be enforced as law legally in the United states as set forth in that very document.”

            You might wanna tell POTUS.

          • Pat Poe

            The NDAA is void under Constitutional law, the highest law in the land. Read, and study you will understand. No law may usurp or cancel the Constitution, and the protection it grants the citizens. They gave not followed the proper procedure to change the constitution. The NDAA is not a law and the enforcement or use of the NDAA is an act of treason under the Constitution. Learn your history and facts. He may have gone about it the wrong way, but under the law those who hold him are now in violation of the highest law of the land, and the actions are bordering on treasonous acts. You do not have to agree, but it is a fact. Why they are not being charged shows the corruption, and disregard for the True Law of this country.

          • Keg

            Article VI, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, known as the Supremacy Clause, establishes the U.S. Constitution, federal statutes, and U.S. Treaties as “the supreme law of the land.” The text provides that these are the highest form of law in the U.S. legal system, and mandates that all state judges must follow federal law when a conflict arises between federal law and either the state constitution or state law of any state.
            The Supremacy Clause only applies if Congress is acting in pursuit of its constitutionally authorized powers. Federal laws are valid and are supreme, so long as those laws were adopted in pursuance of—that is, consistent with—the Constitution. Nullification is the legal theory that states have the right to nullify, or invalidate, federal laws which they view as being unconstitutional; or federal laws that they view as having exceeded Congresses’ constitutionally authorized powers. The Supreme Court has rejected nullification, finding that under Article III of the Constitution, the power to declare federal laws unconstitutional has been delegated to the federal courts and that states do not have the authority to nullify federal law.

            So, your last sentence hits the nail on the head, the Fed is corrupt, and they disregard the Supreme Law of the land, which is the Constitution–which in and of itself is a list of laws that cannot be implemented by the government .

          • Keg

            Just to be clear, I totally agree with you. The NDAA is Un-Constitutional. I am merely stating WHY the Feds believe they have the power to hold him. There power is void, however; they are still wielding it. Until someone brings a suit against them in Federal Court.

        • docmerlin

          You are nothing but a victim blamer. Do you also claim women who are raped, deserve it?

        • chris katko
          • DMChoreographer

            And just what side do you represent?

          • chris katko

            Do you mean “what side”, as in I have to chose between your subjective notions?

          • DMChoreographer

            I see, so you are a superior being who thinks they know everything. How convenient. Get over yourself. When the top oathkeepers of the nation tell a man not to take certain actions, it’s because they understand how to beat the system. Acting out foolishly is exactly how to get in trouble.

          • chris katko

            Who the hell do you think you are addressing?
            Are you blind, stupid, or just illiterate?
            I don’t support Kokesh, financially, philosophically, or any other way.
            If you don’t get that by now, you’re a moron.
            I’ve seen a helluva lot more of the world than you have kiddie.I don’t know everything. I just know more than you though; that’s more than obvious.
            You should read before reacting. It will keep you from appearing as such a hopeless pud puller.

          • DMChoreographer

            Keep telling yourself that as these technocrats steal you blind. Get a real life.

          • chris katko

            Geez, man, you argue like a 16 year old girl.
            No wonder your “side” is getting it’s ass kicked, with emotional children like you in it, spouting cliche internet insults. Try again when your balls drop and your voice thickens a bit.

          • DMChoreographer

            My side isn’t done by a long shot. Remember that. We just aren’t stupid like Adam Kokesh. How did you get in this thread seeing as how you disagree with him so much?

          • chris katko

            Didn’t you read my early posts on his father”s fraudulent business dealings?
            I just get sick of seeing Americans with the right idea and good intentions [probably like yourself] be continually hoodwinked by Frauds like Kokesh and Alex Jones-the freaking financial vultures of the liberty movement. The only thing they want to liberate is people’s cash from their wallets, and get famous, and nothing else.
            I just find it amazing how people don’t research the people they follow, that’s all.
            I just don’t want to see Americans getting arrested because they get caught up in this dog and pony show.

          • DMChoreographer

            I am not “hoodwinked” by either one. Why are you trolling my post?

          • chris katko

            zzzzzzzz…how many more mindless pointless posts can you come up with in that unimaginative undeveloped mind of yours?
            Probably plenty, since they take no energy or real effort, other than your teen angst.
            Do you even bother to wipe the breast milk off your weak chin or does it dribble all over the keyboard as you plod through another dull, pointless infantile accusation unrelated to the conversation?
            in all the time you’ve wasted on this forum, you could have acquired some real knowledge, but instead chose to do this.
            Have mommy slip on your stars and stripes flag jammies and tuck you in.
            Going through each day coming up with posts displaying such lack of thought must be exhausting.
            Get a good night’s rest.
            Remember, you have to be back at clown school in the morning.

          • DMChoreographer

            When you come back to troll my post in the future, come up with something more innovative. Certainly you can do that can’t you.

          • chris katko

            Sure-I’ll study your groundbreaking feats of literary genius and try to emulate them, oh master of PAYtriotic prose.

          • DMChoreographer

            Brilliant, thank you for being so literary. Finally some wit we can attribute to your genius.

          • chris katko

            Back to bed…your granny needs to use the basement. I know those two sentences exhausted you.

      • Keg

        The newly re-signed NDAA and also Patriot Act, gives the government power to hold anyone indefinitely without charges if the government believes them to be a threat to the governmental structure. Legally the Feds are not breaking a single law, they are violating the Constitution, but to the Fed these are not the same.

        • Pat Poe

          To fill you in Keg you are incorrect. Any law put into place that attempts to sidestep or ignore the Constitution is void. No law can supersede or replace the constitution. This law did not legally amend the constitution. The Enforcement of such a law is an act of treason. The problem is out elected officials want to do away with the very document that keeps them from becoming dictators. When people stop seeking out about the fact that if a law violates the constitution it is void. I can see a very good reason why they do not want to take this to court. Any jury can call the law unconstitutional if it pertains to the case. As he has been held this long under that act it dose. The supreme court should have struck this down the same week it was signed into law. Under the oath and duty of the office they hold they should have already acted.

          • Keg

            Did you even read what I wrote?

            “Legally the Fed are not breaking a single law, they are violating the Constitution, but to the Fed these are not the same”

            Clearly you do not even know how the government works, by stating SCOTUS should have struck it down when it was written. That is not within SCOTUS’s power, someone must bring a suit against the Feds then make it to the Supreme Court. Has a single lawyer taken up this crusade? The ACLU? SPLC? No. None of them.

            Also, during the Civil War, Lincoln suspended the Constitution and had people arrested without charges. From my understanding, when the Country is “At War”, the President is allowed to suspend parts of the Constitution, with consent of Congress.

            And, I stated somewhere else, but the NDAA also declares the domestic US a “warzone”.

            Do not get it wrong, I agree with you; this is clearly a violation of the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th amendments.

            http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-lincoln-suspends-the-writ-of-habeas-corpus-during-the-civil-war

            However, this has been going on for much longer than you think. The POTUS ignoring SCOTUS. Get used to it slave, unless you are going to revolt.

          • chris katko

            Some of these people just don’t get it. they don’t want to.

            http://newworldordercartoons.wordpress.com/shills-alex-jones-cartoon/

          • http://www.tiffanymadison.com/ Tiffany Madison

            Hey can you post that link one more time? I’m not sure we got it.

          • chris katko

            Yeah, I figured…some folks here are a bit thick.

            here ya go, Tiff….

            http://newworldordercartoons.wordpress.com/

          • http://www.tiffanymadison.com/ Tiffany Madison

            Actually, Noam Chomsky, Naomi Wolf, Christopher Hedges, Daniel Ellsberg and more are challenging the NDAA in federal court. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_chance_to_stop_the_ndaa_20130902

          • chris katko

            Ahhh… you site the chosenite gatekeepers.

          • http://www.tiffanymadison.com/ Tiffany Madison

            What?

      • DMChoreographer

        As I previously said and will maintain this stance. He was duly warned by OATHKEEPING patriots. Why would anyone be such an idiot?

        Kokesh has absolutely no discernment. He has not a clue what is the right steps to take….Immaturity run amok.

      • Tangy

        again, no, you don’t understand due process. suddenly your a lawyer and there isn’t a single lawyer that has figured out what you figured out. have some humility. You don’t live with your mother, she lives with you.

    • Justin Hilbert

      So because his political statement was in an arrogant manner, he should be held without Habeas Corpus hundreds of days? This just proves many wacko conspiracy theorist right … “If your not guilty, then you have nothing to worry about.” Well, that is now proven BS! Make an attempt to awaken the population and speak out against the government (Which is not illegal) and you end up stashed away somewhere without due process. WAKE UP PEOPLE! Whether you think the guy is a tool or not, THIS IS WRONG.

      • Tangy

        Calm down habeas corpus-

        you are right about one thing: making an attempt to awaken the population and speak out against government is not illegal, Adams show for instance can broadcast as long as he wants.

        Loading a shotgun in an area where it is prohibited by law, very illegal.

        Do so and you will get stashed away in a prison cell and forced to go to court, where you have to argue, actual law, not what you think is law, why you shouldn’t go to prison for that violation, you even get a free attorney, courtesy of tyranny,

        and then you can say, “give me liberty or give me death,” in a very important jesus like voice, and the judge can say, sir, that isn’t how this works. This is a court of law, it has procedures and rules that are very complicated and require a great deal of dedication to understand, the next time you want to fight for peoples’ rights, take a minute to understand what those rights are, how they work, how the law works, and why we have those laws. if not, don’t cry when they hand down the ten years like you didn’t know any better.”

        • Justin Hilbert

          Yes, go to jail and argue actual law. He isn’t going through any normal due process. They will not even permit for him to have his own private lawyer. He (as far as I have researched) is very much being deprived of his constitutional legal rights. Furthermore, he is not booked on “Loading a Gun in a prohibited public area two week before an arrest”. He was booked on mushroom charges of all thing. He’s been blackbagged.

          How many petty drug charges get you 57 days of solitary in an undisclosed federal holding facility? Plus, 120 days and counting of detention without due process?

          But, Ok.. sounds like this is all perfectly acceptable to you. Sound like Kokesh’s rights are not in any way being violated.

        • Justin Hilbert

          I will gladly stand corrected when you actually correct me. No due process, No private lawyer being allowed, held on petty drug charges not “loading a gun in prohibited public area”, 57 days in solitary and now a total of 120 days and counting sin habeas corpus … but sure… you know all.

    • chris katko
    • Tangy

      When an oath keeper warns you, you know you’ve taken a left at stupid and gone too far. Those dumbasses couldn’t take a flag on a deserted island with a table of free cheetos and red bull. Oathkeepers thats hysterical. They’re CIA too cause the CIA hires people with bad credit and a middle school education. you know to get the word out, about oath keeping and stuff.

      • DMChoreographer

        That’s hilarious. But then it is what I have come to expect from people who comment on my post.

        • Tangy

          just know that they’re not just laughing at you, well mostly they are.

  • Skrilla Mcskrillerson

    Yes, let’s all put our tin foil hats on and pretend the government cares more about this man having a decent lawyer than Edward Snowden.

  • chris katko

    Another Pro-PAYtriot Propaganda piece??? Why this contrived drama continues can only be explained by the fact that most Americans can just never admit they are wrong, or have been duped, by people that seem to be in agreement with their own ideals.
    Do a search on Charles Kokesh, Adam’s father, and his dealings with Dakota firearms, once a self built American owned and run firearms manufacturer in Sturgis, South Dakota. Adam’s father financially raped the business and drove it in the the ground, and it was bought up by Remington. If Awesome Adam is such a proponent of gun rights, why has this been covered up by himself.
    Oh Yeah, forget all about Charles Kokesh and the 45 million dollars he defrauded from investors and the SEC violations on record so easy to search for even a PAYtriot worshipper could find them online.
    There’s the illegal elephant tusk and gun trades,too. Adam is the son of a serial criminal, and the fact that this has never been brought up should raise a lot of suspicion.
    Do your homework, Americans, and quit waiting for everyone else to spell it all out in only the letters that sound good to your ears. The Santa Fe New Mexican newspaper is a good place to start.
    A real journalist works there. Look him up.

    • Andrew Rusher

      You’re an idiot. Who cares about his father? Does that make him his father? You probably agreed with Anwar Al Awaki’s drone bombing of his son who did nothing…just cause he was related to his father..people like you are nothing but scum.

      • chris katko

        Typical uninformed web tard…you lack the intellectual capability to connect the dots even when they are laid out for you, and then you suggest I think droning Al Awaki was o.k.
        How did you come upon that conclusion, Mr. Sherlock Homely, super investigator?
        Don’t worry…soon Awesome Adam will be out of the clink and he can tell you jailhouse stories while you show him your personalized panties while doing your PAYtriot Dance.
        Don’t forget your chinese made flag to wave.
        Adam and Andrew…how cuuuute!!!

        • RotorToTheDome

          This dudes a paid schill…suckin off the govmint teet!!

          • chris katko

            Professional protesters UNITE!!!
            Just more douchebaggery and drama to keep people off track.

      • chris katko

        First, let me spell it out for you in a picture, since you obviously do not comprehend the English language.
        http://newworldordercartoons.wordpress.com/shills-alex-jones-cartoon/

    • Keg

      I have been saying this to Kokesh supporters for a while. I think he is CIA.

      • chris katko

        You know it! Every time the guy’s on tv mugging for the camera and flexing I wonder how he can resist the temptation to smell his own armpits and reach climax. Make sure to check to leads I posted.

      • RotorToTheDome

        Funny how anyone who has important shit to say that isnt immediately killed off is somehow affiliated with the CIA. People swear Adam and Alex Jones are CIA…why, because Alex hired someone who interned with the CIA at one point? Effin laughable. People will always hate those who are actually gettin shit done, getting the word out there, mostly because they are jealous that they arent the ones with the balls to do it!! How bout we quit fightin each other and pointing fingers and fuckin take a piece of America back?

      • Tangy

        Yes, he’s CIA, so are you. They hire people like you to make everyone look really, really, really, really, really dumb.

  • chris katko

    A picture is worth a thousand words.
    Get your Adam cartoon here…

    http://newworldordercartoons.wordpress.com/shills-alex-jones-cartoon/

    • Marco Serpas

      best post ever.

      • chris katko

        Thanks Marco
        Chris

        • chris katko

          2 thumbs down for saying “thanks marco”. You people are the some seriously over emotional PAYriotards.
          Research the info, and buy some tampons.

  • Andrew Rusher

    To all of you who say this was ILLEGAL you are wrong…when our government passes laws that violate the constitution and bill of rights they have broke the law!

    But then again most of you who don’t like Adam are just HUSTLERS who think its okay for GOVERNMENT TO KILL and BRIBE and PASS ILLEGAL LAWS cause you’ve all become so in love with the HUSTLE and THUG life you think it’s “normal” to bribe and steal to get your way in the USA..and quite frankly most of you are scumbags who don’t stand up to the government and are the reason they are running rampant!

    • chris katko

      Read the first posts below and you’ll figure out who the real hustlers and scumbags are, oh blind follower.
      I’m sure Adam enjoyed your love letters while he was in the slammer. Did you send pics of you in your tighty whiteys with “Adam’s Byatch” written on the back in Sharpie marker?

    • Tangy

      And your thinking is the reason you still live with your mom.

  • J. Nev

    The DC (District of Columbia) is it’s own sovereign nation on US soil not subject to the United States and pays no taxes to the “host” country. In London you have “The Crown” where the citizens swear allegiance to but is has nothing to do with the royal family it’s also a “PRIVATE” corporation. Then you have the Vatican also it’s own sovereign nation on Italy soil (meet the trifecta). DC controls the worlds military, The crown controls the world money, and the Vatican controls the worlds religion.

    BEGIN YOUR JOURNEY TO THE TRUTH BECAUSE “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”

    • chris katko

      Great post. Amazing how little research some people do,isn’t it?

      http://newworldordercartoons.wordpress.com/shills-alex-jones-cartoon/

      • J. Nev

        Yes, DO SOME THINKING UNLESS YOUR HEAD HURTS…

        Bush Caught Lying About September 11th

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60

        • chris katko

          That was brilliant. Which one are you…Beavis or Butthead?

          • J. Nev

            Either one could be your dad. That sobbing you hear is him wishing he would have jacked off instead, I’m sure of it!

          • chris katko

            Genius!!! I bet you really crack up all the 8th graders during recess.

          • J. Nev

            Yes I crack up at all the infections to the gene pool…

          • chris katko

            Your child like sense of humor is matched only by your child like sentence structure.
            Does your mommy know you are using her computer?

          • J. Nev

            No your mom knows, she’s on her knees UNDER MY DESK, but as a gentleman I handed her a Kleenex…

          • chris katko

            That was very clever. I am sure KoCASH is in good hands with an army of intellectually prepubescent self proclaimed comic geniuses like yourself supporting him.

          • J. Nev

            OMG you keep coming back for more, SMACK your mom the next time you see her for NOT aborting you…

          • chris katko

            So glad you’re still out there. Sometimes I get so sick of listening to people like George Carlin and Bill Hicks, and need some really professional comedy, like the “your mom” and “your dad” high quality deep thought intellectual humor that you are so good at. I can’t wait for your next HBO special.

          • J. Nev

            AND THE DOUCHE RETURNS FOR MORE, AND IS IT ANY WONDER WHY…

            Charlotte Iserbyt – Deliberate Dumbing Down of the World

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyDtYy2I0M

    • Tangy

      How ironic- I mean seriously do you have any idea how funny what you just posted is? Let me guess, you are a professor who works in an industry where your knowledge is constantly tested to see if it’s real or an illusion. You probably work in law, where you argue these brilliant facts before judges and against other lawyers that don’t know what you know. Now get back to work, those fries aren’t going to fry themselves.

      • J. Nev

        Put your head back up your butt and SNIFF…

  • Julian_Adorney

    I made a petition to get Adam Kokesh out. Grassroots pressure worked twice before, it can work again.

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/tell-police-chief-lanier?source=c.url&%3Br_by=932691

    Let’s get him out!

    • Clarity-jane Seer

      Do I smell a rat? Kokesh seems to me to be an Zionist Agent Provocateur! I have a bad feeling about him!

    • chris katko

      yeah, let’s send him money as well to supplement the 45 million his daddy bilked from investors. those poor Kokesh’s, eating out of dumpsters and living in jail for the benefit of all PAYtriotards.

    • Tangy

      The grassroots pressure didn’t work before, the charges in those cases were crap-. This time, they’ve have him dead to rights and arguing all this crap about law, and freedom, like the DA is going to read it and say, “they’re right, they know more about the law then i do. I should set him free, or even better, theres a petition? oh no, then i don’t have an obligation to show these people just how stupid they are.”

  • FaqUrNwoBS

    NDAA. you let it happen. now deal with it

  • Damen

    You mention that he’s being held “with no bond, no bail, and no trial.” What you neglect to mention is that he’s been charged and awaiting trial – which is standard for anyone who is arrested. And when someone gets charges as serious as marching on the Capital building with an armed paramilitary group – specifically where it is illegal to have guns in public, yeah, they get no bond and no bail. Trials take a long time to move forward. Everyone knows that. O.J. Simpson was in jail for a year before his trial began.

    Maybe you don’t like the law, fair enough, but if there’s going to be laws they’re going to be enforced. If a guy leading an armed paramilitary group was going to march on the Capital building in Washington D.C., and then posts a threatening video of himself loading a gun on YouTube telling everybody that he’s not going to obey, I’d certainly arrest him if I had the power.

    And by the way, why do you think he posted this video? Do you not understand that he specifically did this to get arrested? It’s a good investment in his future. Now he’s got Libertarians calling him a “political prisoner.” Doesn’t get more profitable than that. I can’t wait to see the number of advertisement clicks on his site after he gets out.

    Just because you agree with someone’s political views doesn’t mean everything they do is right.

    • John

      “Maybe you don’t like the law, fair enough, but if there’s going to be laws they’re going to be enforced”

      Except on government and the corporate power structure, right? If they don’t follow the law, why would we follow it when it’s in our best interest as a people to break it?

      The law must be broken in situations of extreme tyranny, which is where we are at, I assure you (if you don’t believe me, I could list all the significant actions the ruling class have taken against the people just in recent years). If the law isn’t broken to reject tyranny (and tyrants will make it so that it must be), they will make further tyranny legal (which they are doing, and if you’re a frequent reader of this site, you should see that) and further action against it subject to Draconian punishment.

      What Kokesh did should have been allowed because it is a symbolic rejection of tyranny and nothing more. No one was under any kind of threat – Adam has used solely non-violent protest his entire life. He did it to remind the leaders that their crimes are not tolerable, and the American people, unless they are simply too dumb and apathetic to care, should think of him as a hero standing up for our rights in the best way he knows how. He is on our side; how foolish would we be to side against him? To side with the destroyers? I hope you haven’t fallen victim to a case of nationalistic Stockholm Syndrome like many semi-conscious Americans have.

      I can only guess that you fear that if the law is not enforced for him, other people will start to break the laws he broke and everything will collapse into chaotic anarchy. If this is your belief, I say to you, so what? Are you really paying attention to what the future is gonna be like if we don’t at least try to stop these people? Ten years from now they’ll have 30,000 surveillance drones in the skies, and another ten years of inaction and those will turn from surveillance to armed drones. That’s just one instance, too. Can’t you be objective and understand the context of what we’re living under and that these people just won’t stop?

      By the way, if you think all he cares about is getting money out of this, you are a fool.

      And you’d throw him in jail? Really? Simply because laws put into place by people who have contributed to the systematic death of this country (and thus you and your family) say you should? I guess I know where you stand. Thoughtless sheep. Sleepwalker. Authoritarianism is the death of morality. Reject it at all costs. Or don’t, and have society reject you.

      • Tangy

        It doesn’t work like that John. Calling things “extreme tyranny” doesn’t make it so. You use terms like Draconian, tyranny, nationalistic Stockholm syndrome, etc, because it makes things sound important, like the use of political prisoner. He isn’t interested in the Money, the people that ignore his mental health issues, care about the money. His girlfriend who is trying to make a name for herself, the people at Agorist metals and all the idiots who think they know law simply because they “feel” things. Listen to your last statement, how self aggrandizing, let me guess you posted that in a hurry because your mom was calling you that the hot dogs were ready and getting cold. you know nothing of tyranny, what you are experiencing minorities in america have experienced it for years, its called being disenfranchised, only it was forced on them, for you guys you simply don’t want to work.

        You want to claim to understand the law, but you won’t read anything that says your wrong,

        you want to claim that there are no jobs but you won’t go to school or make any effort.

        Its easier to fight “tyranny’ than to help out at a shelter or work towards ending illiteracy, this way you can’t measure failure, you need to stop masturbating to alex jones and get a job. I feel bad for Kokesh because he needs real friends, a lawyer, and a psychiatrist. but he broke the law, and arguing that the law needs to be broken doesn’t help you or him. It costs ten years
        its nice that your willing to sacrifice his freedom for your inability to appreciate yours.

        • John

          “Calling things “extreme tyranny” doesn’t make it so.”

          Denying my point based on bias ridden, subjective anecdotes doesn’t make you right. How self-aggrandizing. Use some facts if you’re going to attack me.

          Admit your bias – I’ve now admitted mine – and we can come to a logical conclusion together.

          I never said I was fighting tyranny, and just because I’m not doesn’t mean I can’t get mad that it exists. You’re an absolute fool to say that we don’t live in tyrannical government oppression, regardless of relativity to history or geography. A common tactic of someone who wants to downplay an issue is to put it into relative terms. Guess what, buddy? I don’t define my ideal world view by realism that has been manufactured by the ruling class to keep us accepting a lower standard than should exist.

          Nevertheless, I corrected my statements in response to ISawTomorrow above. If you feel I am still at fault, let’s work it out, but please, be objective and let the facts speak for themselves rather than attacking my character based on blind assumptions.

          • Tangy

            No you don’t define your real world view by realism, thats my point. You romanticize your world to escape the responsibility for your life. You accept the standard by fighting for grandiose goals instead of practical every day things. You believe that you understand law, by advocating that when the law doesn’t suit you, we should start over. Its like the people who believe in voting only when they win, then argue that voting is unconstitutional if if it gets in the way of “us” getting what we want.

          • John

            I think we should start over. Anarcho-capitalism. It’s a new world and it’s time people admitted it. Unless you think the Bilberberg attendees have you in their plans. And I’m not alone in thinking that: ask Lew Rockwell, and, if they were alive, Von Mises and Rothbard. The best libertarian economists ever, by any impartial analysis of their work. It’s going to turn into the Wild West within this century, anyway. Just wait until the water and food start running low. It’ll make a great movie someday.

            Okay, I’ll bite; what practical, every day things should I be fighting for? A minimum wage job so I can waste my time to get just enough money to eat while contributing to companies that will offshore the profits and outsource employment, and also lobby for leaders who will take away more of my rights? I better not forget to adjust my expectations for the future inflation and inevitable bankruptcy. Are you telling me we don’t have to start over to erase central banking? Or should we take austerity like an ice cold dildo up all our bungs just to feel it again later?

            I’d rather be dead, as irresponsible as it may be, and I might be soon. My health is terrible, and I’ll probably be dead within the year. I’m looking forward to it. That’s my life story. My excuse, if you want to call it that.

          • Tangy

            Anarcho-capitalism. Sounds like you’ve worked it all out. And you’re not alone, you say, well thats pretty much all we need. A century? o good lord, and here i was wasting away my life trying to save up my gold coins.

            A minimum wage job? thats all you can hope for? Because corporations and politicians are corrupt, thats why you don’t do anything but argue for the end of the world, thats great. And for the record, you aren’t simply contributing to the problem, you are the problem. you’ve probably never traveled, never really read, or created something for any reason except yourself. Anarcho-capitalism? how about instead of wasting your time trying to invent the wheel, you learn how it works. You are not a genius with a new plan, you are a guy who failed in society and wants society to fail so you won’t feel it. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and do something with your life. Minimum wage jobs? how entitled. You’ve done nothing and you’re all out of ideas. Poor you, “whats the point, i wish i lived in a place where hunger and tyranny were real so i wouldn’t just sound like a spoiled brat.”

          • John

            Okay, to a certain degree, you’re right, and I will try harder to find a job. So, thank you. I may have needed a wake-up call. But you’re not giving me enough credit for the individual difficulties I’ve had to face. I’m not the cookie cutter lazy Millennial you think I am.

            Last year, I was willing to take any employment that came my way. Truly. I’m 19 years old, by the way. But I’ve had a severe anxiety disorder for a few years now, and right around late October of last year I started to have really horrific physical symptoms that are still constant in my body. It’s hard to describe, but it’s a physical malaise that would make anyone feel like they’re dying. I still haven’t been able to diagnose it (though severe low blood pressure is a symptom, as well as occasional shortness of breath and lightheadedness), and I’m scared it could turn into something worse if it hasn’t already. Do you know what it’s like to feel like you are walking around with a terminal illness every day? I doubt it. Now I have these lumps in my neck that I’m sure are cancer that I have to go get checked out.

            Because of my health issues, I find it extremely hard to remain calm in public. And that’s the only reason I don’t attempt to find employment. I guarantee you that, and I have no reason to lie. But, like I said, I will work harder to overcome my anxiety and hopefully I’ll be able to diagnose some of my issues and maybe get them worked out. Working from home seems like my best bet right now, and I’m self studying to be a programmer, so I’ll work harder on that.

      • Damen

        John, I’m as concerned as anyone about infringements on civil liberties – it’s perhaps the issue I feel most strongly about. I’m a left-wing guy, but I am very much a civil and social libertarian.

        But again, marching on the Capital Building with loaded guns and posting YouTube videos about it is not the way to convince anyone that there is a problem. When someone does something like that, they’re looked at as fuckin’ nutz, plain and simple.

        No sane minded person watching that is gonna be like, “Yeah! Totally! This guy is right. I agree with him!” Dude’s crazy. He’s fuckin’ crazy. Either that or he’s a total hack, I dunno.

        Just because you agree with his political viewpoints doesn’t mean he’s right about everything. That goes for anyone. You don’t trust the mainstream media I’m assuming. Who does? But why do you trust independent media figures any more than the mainstream? They’re all playing the same game – to make money. I don’t blame ‘em, we all are. But call them out when they’re wrong and doing more damage than good.

    • Joe

      “Maybe you don’t like the law, fair enough, but if there’s going to be laws they’re going to be enforced” (DC guns laws)

      The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

      So which one’s the law and who”s enforcing it?

      • Damen

        They both are. You should read some Supreme Court decisions on gun rights if you really want the details of how it’s interpreted. The police enforce the laws. Either them or the FBI, depends on the jurisdiction.

  • ISawTomorrow

    Kokesh=Useful idiot…now burned because of expiration of usefulness.Look him up.Plenty of shady associations.

    • John

      Links?

      • ISawTomorrow

        Do your own homework,I did mine.Kokesh is not to be trusted.

        • John

          RT? IVAW? Is that what you mean?

          I’m not saying I fully trust the guy, but it’s hard to find people as radical as him that don’t have some unfortunate associations, and without a following, Kokesh would never have been able to put together the protests that he has and get some mainstream attention for those protests, and he would have never attained any influence.

          If I understand what you’re implying – and correct me if I’m mistaken – that Kokesh is working for the Russian government as a pro-leftist agent (thus the IVAW connection), then I think you’re probably right. But, I still would rather have him keep trying his best with the situation he’s in than have him give up because the world is too corrupt.

          • John

            Let me correct what I said: I was too dug into my position earlier. Human mistake. Regardless, now that I’ve considered it more, it seems like Kokesh is probably just another fake.

            The system isn’t too corrupt for real activism to thrive, there’s just a lot of corrupt people who would exploit the system and Kokesh is probably one of them.

            That just means we – those of us who feel we are decent – have to create true grassroots activism ourselves rather than waiting for heroes to show up for us. It rarely works that way, if ever, and I see that now.

  • Tangy

    “Kristian Tate is a multi-media journalist.” no she’s not. she’s a blogger who thinks she a multi-media journalist.

  • Jay F

    Right, murders of all sorts happen in some part of DC daily. They are afraid of him starting/leading a revolution and are trying to stomp this out as quickly and harshly as possible. That is my opinion at least.

  • bleedinell

    Kokesh is not a Libertarian. What’s more, he doesn’t really believe in gun rights. He’s a soap box hero, garnering publicity for himself at the expense of all of us that believe in the second amendment. What he has done is detrimental to the furthering of the gun rights movement.
    Ms. Tate, with all due respect, you need to do a more thorough investigation. Thank the Lord this guy didn’t get more publicity with his childish stunt.

  • Arthur Gayton II

    Why do men continue to think they are free? There are men, who the mob has appointed, who rule over you and you must follow their orders. If you disobey their orders you will be killed, caged, or tortured. An example will be made of you so that others will not do the same. They government is good and all this theft, murder, lies, rules and regulations are for your own good. Do not disobey, they are bigger and stronger backed by the full support of the mob. You are not free to do what you want, there are laws that must be obeyed even if you harm no one.